From the "Saab showroom of the future"

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I've had a few interesting things come in over the last few days that I'd like to share here. We'll attribute them to Djup Strupe, shall we?

First of all, there's some clearer photos of the cars that have been shown to prospective company owners and more recently, some journos, in Saab's showroom of the future at the Saab Museum in Trollhattan.

All have car covers on them, but there's still some details to be had from looking them over.

First, the Saab 9-4x.

Saab 9-4x covered.jpg

I don't know what's coming over me (must be the swineflu taking over) but I'm feeling quite enthused about this vehicle and am very antsy about the fact that it seems ready to go, but won't be seen for the best part of another year.

If it drives as well as I think it will, and is priced as competitively as what I think it should be (Caddy SRX starts at $33K in the US) then this could be a real bonus for Saab.

And then there's the 9-5 sedan and wagon.

Saab 9-5 covered.jpg

You can see through the cover here that the headlight trim is indeed quite thin compared to the current Dame Edna look, which should be a little more comforting to some.

Those rims look interesting too.

Saab 9-5 estate covered.jpg

And the wagon seems to have some very good lines, including side-rear windows that are very reminiscent of the current 9-5 wagon. That's a good thing.

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Knowing that one recent visitor was heading for a visit, I asked if they could pay attention to the interior materials.

The response:

The cars they showed me -- 9-5 sedan + wagon + 9-4 -- didn't have interiors, but they did have a separate 9-5 interior set up alongside, and it had the same ice-like dashboard that you mention: dark blue I would say, studded with tiny bits coloured icy blue, quite gleamy and interesting. In shape it was, they said, an L shape dashboard and it felt very wrapped around the driver, almost two bays, one for the driver, one for the passenger (I exaggerate but you know what I mean)....... It also had a head up display, to project the indicators on the windscreen, as a top of the range thing, but I expect you already knew that, leather wrapped steering wheel etc.

Very, very interesting.......



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As a current 9-5 Aero sportwagon owner, I must say that I like what I can see. I have always been more of a fan of the current side-rear windows on the 9-5 combi vs the 9-3 combi, and it looks like that look is retained with the new model. I can't wait to see this uncovered!


Unless someone knows differently, it looks as if there IS a griffin badge on the hood of the new 9-5.


Still not sure about the Dame Edna V2.0 front.

Swade, regarding your swine flu you could look at it this way if it is H1N1 you will get immunity once H1N1 becomes a killer virus.


Kraig - it looks like you might be right from that photo.

The photo from the scan of Dagens Industri that I featured last week didn't look like, but that was a scan and this is a genuine hi-res photo, so it looks like that might be the case.

Zippy - agreed, which is why I'm not too fussed if it is. A state-imposed week off for some R&R would be most welcome at this point.


Kraig (and Swade),

Weren't there reports that Saab's patent on the will run out after 2010 ?


hope it is the camera angle that makes the front end of that 9-5 look muscled-up. Whilst cocooned in my 9-3, I went through my map collection in the seatback pouches, and found my 9-3 sales brochure from 2000, printed in Sweden on chlorine-free [that means no dioxin by-product] recyclable paper with the 5-door hatch in profile on the cover. So Saab. NewSaab needs to resurrect this text for inspiration.

"The Saab 9-3. Thoughtful rebellion against the pack instinct...a singularly distinct alternative to the typical sports sedan."

On Design (page 25): "...Like any beautifully practical object, the most attractive lines and shapes do not result from complex artistic excess. Rather, as with the Saab 9-3, what most often pleases the eye are clean, simple lines and pure shapes dedicated to functionality."


Many of you have probably already noted this, but after reading about the new GMC Terrain SUV coming out this Fall, it makes me think the 9-4 will be in line with what many of use are looking for:

4 cyl (opt. 6)
32 MPG highway
ipod integration
bluetooth
remote start
rear camera standard

Question is, what will it cost? But my guess is this Terrain will be the approx. size of the 9-4, maybe same platform. I'm more excited now!

http://www.gmc.com/terrain/terrain/index.jsp


That's cool to hear about the interior. I want to know about the SEATS though. All the test "mules" have the same exact seats as the Insignia. They look kind of doofy in the Saab. Saab has always had the most comfortable seats in my opinion, and they add to the Saabiness with the funky SAHR headrests. I just hope the seats are one of the things they let Sweden take into their own hands... Anyone have any clues yet?


I would not worry one bit about the seats. I am confident they will put in proper Saab seats, even if JAJ and crew have to work overtime and stitch the leather themselves. :)

Swade, very interesting Djup Struppery on the interior, good work once again mate! It would be so cool if they really offered the iceblock as an option alongside a standard Audi-esque quality interior for the more conservative purchasers.


Great to see the 95 wagon, even if its just a shell. Although the 94X is interesting, an AWD, HOT 6cyl. wagon of A6 dimensions and quality is exactly what I'd buy as a next car.

Why the delayed release? Funding to finish the car?

@Seats: don't these come from Lear Corp?


I really don't mind if they keep the griffen on the hood, and wherever else - I've always liked it. Now, if they can only find a supplier who can make one that doesn't peel off before it's paid off!


I really don't mind if they keep the griffen on the hood, and wherever else - I've always liked it. Now, if they can only find a supplier who can make one that doesn't peel off before it's paid off!


While it is quite the opposite with me. I could never befriend myself with this massive C pillar of the wagon. To me, the 9-5 wagon always looked as if someone had forgetten about it and then had to quickly hurry to come up with that variant, by "glueing" a wagon back to the saloon version without revising the C pillar.

Since they did not repeat this feature with the 9-3, I thought that this "design motif" would have been burried.

This again shows hoe difficult it can be to please everybody.


Great quotes, Karen.


Chevy Europe, Opel, Vauxhall, Opel-Holdens and now GMC looks exactly the same.. interiorwise.

Saab, A steeringwheel is not that expensive.. Do NOT install the GM Generic steeringwheel in the 9-5 or 9-4X.. Everybody will see that it´s the same design. Set yourselves apart in every big visible thing please.

Tom


Thyl - I do agreee with you on this. My wife have never let me buy a 9-5 wagon due to this reason. Accourding to her it is one of the most ugly wagons on the market, she drives a 9-3 ss. I am not that "anti" but the 9-3 SC looks much better.

Johannes


Well.. Do we realy want the Saab 9-5SC to look like every other car out there?
And we have not seen the full rear of the SC yet..


No, we don't want the SAAB 9-5SC to look like every other car out there! The 9-5 has very often throughout the years been called one of the sexiest wagons there is. The 9-3SC is somewhat conservative compared to the 9-5SC. Don't get me wrong, I like them both, but I definately prefer the 9-5SC design as it really stands out from the crowd. Maybe that's why I also like the Mercedes ML? Compare the window profiles.....

Oh, well, it would have been rather boring if we all liked the same car.

Cheers
-Olav-
Always on the longest way home when out there with my SAAB. Always!


On the Insignia steering wheel and seats: please, please, please get rid of them!

The steering wheel feels cheap: the silver feels plasticky and cheap. The Insignia has really uncomfortable and rock hard seats. Both are not fit for a Saab!


As most of you know I love the 9-5 Wagon/Estate. I think you side view is perfect and think the designer did a fantastic job. I am soo looking forward to seeing the new 9-5 Wagon with out the wraps on.


I'm another one who loves the current 9-5 wagon. When we were looking for a new wagon to replace a Merc C200 4 years ago we thought the Saab was the most stylish of all those we looked at and was the least that looked like a saloon with a wagon end stuck on as an afterthought, the shape flows naturally from the front to the rear. If the new generation 9-5 is as thoughtfully designed then it'll be on to a winner with me.


I've got the 9-5 wagon, too, and I really like the design. It's different, but not annoying. I even like the Dame Edna look (replaced it with the matte Hirsch version) though it wasn't for me first time I saw it. With some nice rims it even looks sporty.

I'd like the new wagon to have the same design language.


Swade, with you on timeline for 9-4x. Just painful how long this model is taking. This is potentially my next car but I fear it is going to appear outdated by the time it arrives - of course to the wider public who do not follow Saab as we do, it will still appear fresh, but is it modern enought to follow Q5 and XC60?


The XC60 is an older car than the 9-4X.. And the SRX has got the same timeline as it´s Saab sybling.. So 9-4X will not be outdated.

Tom


Thyl, I think its more to differentiate the 9-5 from the 9-3, if they both looked the same then it would be considered a bit lazy, design wise. I love the current 9-5SC design though, glad to see that they've kept it for this NG9-5.


The 9-5 wagon rear was never very unique! Maybe you overlooked the other cars with the same rear because they are either older Europeans or cheaper Japanese?

It always reminds me of Ford Scorpio or Renault 18. Not very flattering. I was hoping for the new 9-5 to take a new direction, but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt since so many people say it looks really good.


Martin.. Scorpio HGV??? I don´t know about you, but I have owned one.. And it looks Nothing like the 9-5SC in the rear.. Not in one way...


I am a normal reader of this blog but have up to now just stayed on the sidelines and not yet posted a comment. I deciede to chime in becuase I love what I see on the front end of the 9-5. The headlight trim looks more like the fog light trim on the curren 9-3 Aero than the headlight trim on the current 9-5. A design element that I feel adds greatly to the style of the car.


It's interesting how different we see things. I just cannot see a n y design similarities between the cars you're listing and the 9-5SC.

Long live the difference though! ;/)

Cheers
-Olav-
Always on the longest way home when out there with my SAAB. Always!


Karen, I agree! I'm hoping future Saab designs will be an evolution of their strongest designs from the past...models which showcase the Sixten Sason design language most prominently (99, classic 900, first gen 9-3). I love older Saabs like the 96, 95, Sonett, etc, but for me the, Saab really got the designs "right" with the introduction of the 99. Simple, elegant, timeless forms with ingenious functionality.


Martin N

Take a look at the link I pasted below (if it works, if it doesn't let me know and I will try again). I highlighted the areas that I feel look similar. I would say that the 9-5 under the covers is one of the none-aero forms and in aero form the fog light housing would "mirror" the headlight housing, add some side skirts and a lip spoiler and I believe you have a very cohesive, very nice design.

http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg294/ct1881/?action=view¤t=9593Comp.jpg


Nick,

You're correct. The source of these photos indicated it's a Vector spec model. His words: "The Aero version has bigger lower air-intakes, which are also rimmed with polished aluminium trim."


I've owned two 9-5 wagons and now a '08 9-3 Kombi. One of the things that I miss about the 9-5 and really dislike about the 9-3 is the rear windows. I'm a guy who likes to turn his head and glance over his shoulder when pulling into a right hand lane, or when parking. The rear window configuration of the 9-3 is full of blind spots.


Thinner chrome around the headlights: less Dame Edna glasses, more modern glasses frame?

Also, if you all look, you can clearly see the side window contour and swooping c-pillar shape on that 9-5 wagon. ;-)


So, the c-pillar is evidently polarising the crowd. No problem for me though, as i had to wait for the hatch verion (forever?) anyway ;-)).


I've probably been staring too hard but isn't the disguised estate a dead ringer for a 1990's Renault Savannah?


IMHO the 9-5 combi is much more aesthetically pleasing and unique than the 9-3 combi. I have always thought the 9-3 was the least SAAB looking SAAB ever made. Least offensive sometimes means dull. I still think it's a decent car but not my favorite. The OG 9-3 was 1k times more SAAB. Again not meant to offend just one mans opinion.

Chris


I like it too, Thyl. Indeed, I like both the 9-5 and 9-3 rear ends: the 9-3's more sporting which fits its positioning as a smaller and naturally more nimble car, and the 9-5' more formal which suits its top-of-the-range status.


Anyone have any insight as to the "extensions" on the side mirrors? I know they were planning to move the turn signal lights to the side mirrors, but the shape in all three pictures looks rather interesting.


Am I the only one here who sees the back end of the sportcombi and thinks of the 2001 9-X concept? It has a lot of the features of that car, like the more upright rear glass, inward-sloping side glass and the gentle shoulders that wrap around the back of the car to form a "bustle" containing the taillights.

Between all the 9-X cues and the dame edna headlights, this NG9-5 seems like it will be a great homage to some of Mauer's work for Saab. Work that could have been as iconic as the C900 if GM had built any of it.

Regardless of it's design cues, the NG9-5 sounds like it's going to be a real stunner both inside and out.


OK...I finally did it. I HAD to look up Dame Edna. I googled the term and WOW! that is a mean-spirited term towards the 9-5! LOL!


I agree with you, that's exactly what I thought when I first saw the photo. Wouldn't be the worst inspiration ;-)


I made this a while ago, for the rest of you who don't know who Dame Edna is, here's a pic right next to the 9-5.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/raquettelaker2/saabs.jpg


This will be my third comment on here, but whatever. I just wanted to say I've been looking at these three pictures a lot lately and every time they make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I really think Saab is going to save their butts with these models!! Can't wait!


I don't want to come across with a negative spin but the pictures of the 9-5 look like nothing more than a re-make of the current model. If they can only show us the back of the sedan too this may remove some of these doubts. I guess we will all know for sure once the covers are lifted which like the rest, can't wait for this any time soon !!!


From what I can see, the 9-5 looks the same. Hopefully, it will look better when the "wrapper" comes off. On the other hand, the 9-4x looks great from what I can see, and I can't wait to get over to my Saab dealer and test drive it! GM has done a great job with the '10 SRX, and I hope the 9-4x is even better! :-)


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