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More on the Saab 9-5 and headroom

September 27, 2009 in Saabology

We had a discussion recently about the headroom in the Saab 9-5 and today, we have some photographic proof….of sorts.
After the previous post, Ken B got in touch and offered to take some photos as he was heading to the Frankfurt show over the weekend.
What we have below is some photographic evidence of the proportions of the 9-5 as far as Ken fitting in is concerned. You should read his notes, however, as Ken points out that he is proportioned in such a manner that he’s quite tall in the upper body for a guy of his height. That means headroom for him is generally more crucial than legroom.
I’ll let Ken take it away and you can see his photos, which note the placement of the sunroof and the interior light.
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The light assembly for the back seat passengers is in the traditional location in the 9-5 without a sunroof and in the new and awkward location on models with the new extra-large sunroof. Even though the sunroof open up-and-out instead of down-and-in, there’s a second piece of glass behind the traditional glass. This both extends the area that permits light to enter the cabin and requires that the light assembly be moved very far back.
Before addressing head room, I need to say two things.
First, at Turbo X Driving Academy, the trainers told me that my normal seating position was terrible and recommended a much more upright position. (Specifically, they want me to plant my shoulders against the seat, reach my arm out to the wheel, and drape my hand over the wheel. That is, my wrist joint should be atop the wheel and the hand should be able to freely drop down on the back side of the wheel. This means that I sit both closer and more upright than I did before. It took a while to get used to this, but it’s a great position for hard driving.
Second, I am oddly proportioned. I am 6′ 1″ tall with a 32″ inseam. That means that most of my height is from the waist up. Normally-proportioned people who are 6′ 1″ or below should have no problems, but folks with long upper bodies, neck, and/or giant heads may be uncomfortable in this vehicle, particularly if they sit more upright, as described above.
As I feared from the specs, both the front seat and back seat have insufficient headroom for me. In the back seat, I could not sit up straight and had to tilt my head a bit (toward the camera in that shot). In the front seat, even with the seat moved down as far as possible, the part of the roof that’s between the sunroof and the “oh shit” handle (as a friend of mine calls them) bangs against my head. I have this to a lesser extent with the Turbo X, but this is more severe and enough of a problem that I won’t buy the 9-5.
The Audi A4 sedan without a sunroof was fine for me. The A4 wagon with sunroof was OK, too. Audi did not have an A4 sedan with sunroof at the show. The BMW 3-series was non-enterable unless I were to take a contortion class.
–Ken
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The interior lamp position with the sunroof installed…..
Whacky location (with sunroof).jpg
The interior light on a roof without the sunroof….
Normal position (no sunroof).jpg
The sunroof, which opens up and out….
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Ken in the front seat of the 9-5…
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Ken in the rear seat of the 9-5….
Head against roof -- back seat.jpg
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As I’ve mentioned from my own experience with the car, I had no problems with headroom at all. I’m just a shade below 6ft 1-inch myself (though of more than average girth) and had no issues with interior space at all.
Again, see the car for yourself when the opportunity arises and then you’ll know.
My thanks to Ken for taking and sending on the photos and his thoughts.

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Welcome Saab Club Denmark

September 27, 2009 in Troll Stuff

I’d like to welcome the Saab Club of Denmark to the list of Saab Clubs maintained here at SaabsUnited.
121037400.jpg Denmark, of course, is quite close to the Saab motherland and you may (or may not) know that Denmark has a Saab-driving Princess who happens to be a Tasmanian. Princess Mary met Prince Frederick at the Sydney Olympics back in 2000 and he’s since dragged her back home and made an honest woman out of her.
In Denmark, they’re Cown Prince Frederick and Princess Mary, though when they come for their semi-regular holiday downunder they’re just plain old Fred and Mary.
But I digress…..
The Saab Club of Denmark has a forum based site with a very active board. Being so close to Sweden they have an active interest in Saabs, with 420 members on the club’s register.
If you’re Danish and you’re not involved with the club, you can check out their site and maybe hook up with their next event(s)
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If you’re a member of a Saab Car Club that isn’t listed on the board, then please do let me know and I’ll add it to the list.

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99 reasons to paint it black

September 27, 2009 in Troll Stuff

Now that my MX-5 has been sold, it’s time to get busy planning for the 99 Turbo I’ve bought and Mike900′s given me a little food for thought.
Of course, 99 Turbos are nothing new as black was a standard color from the factory on the 99T in the late 1970s. Nonetheless, it’s just good to have a look at what could be.
This is a 99 Turbo in Cardinal Red, which is the original color on the car I’ve bought.
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And Mike900 has done a little photochopping after I mentioned I wouldn’t mind painting mine in Jet Black metallic, a-la the Saab 9-3 Turbo X.
99Tblack.jpg
Normally I wouldn’t contemplate a color change, but the car I’ve bought will need some rust repair and a full repaint, so if it’s got to be repainted anyway, why not rebuild the car the way I’d really like it to be?
It’ll be more work and a bit more expense, but the end product may be well worth the trouble.

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Eker: Misquoted. All apparently goes well with Saab and Koenigsegg

September 27, 2009 in Editorial

If we’ve learned anything through this whole Saab-sale experience, it’s that newspapers can write damning and downright incorrect stories about the Saab sale, get away with almost zero reputational damage and get themselves a whole lot of coverage around the world (don’t underestimate the hunger for inbound links when it comes to online reporting).

Norwegian newpaper, DN.no, caused a storm overnight when they claimed a whole bunch of backroom deals were in progress between Mark Bishop and some Eastern European mafia types. All this despite the fact that Bishop has been reported previously to no longer own any shares in Koenigsegg Group.

It’s an interesting situation, this one. DN.no’s story is so far removed from what’s been reported so far that it either has to be true (with KG feeding us a bunch of BS for the last few months), or it’s a total and mischevious fabrication. Given that they seem to be relying on the word of a guy they damn for being a convicted felon, I’m betting on the latter.

<<UPDATE – ‘Oddjob’ has sent me a good, edited translation from the original article, which I’ve added in full at the end of this editorial>>

I’m working from a GoogleTrans, but DN.no seem to be saying the following:

  • Bishop was the ideas man when it came to the takeover of Saab, enlisting the help of Koenigsegg and others in the process.
  • Koenigsegg’s record of Bishop’s departure states that it was a mutual shareholder decision, citing negative publicity surrounding his stake in the group
  • DN.no say that in reality, he was ‘thrown out’ of the group when they became fearful of his connections and intentions to get some shady Russian figures involved in the deal.
  • DN.no have some quotes from Eker, saying that the board was ‘terrified’ and had to get Mark out. They also quote Eker as saying that if all funding issues aren’t sorted by this Wednesday, September 30, then the group will pull the pin on the whole transaction

They also claim that Bishop has engaged a guy who is a convicted fraudster, a guy by the name of Thomas Øye, to sell his shares in Koenigsegg Group. This is despite the fact that they quote Bishop himself (after saying he declined comment) as saying that he has no shares to sell.

Thomas Øye claims that he has been asked Bishop to sell the shares, and it’s this conflict in answers that seems to be the basis for the whole story. When in doubt, err on the side of the fraudster with a story to tell.

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This story got picked up by Dagens Industri in Sweden and it took off from there. I posted a translation of the DI.se story on the site last night before crashing to a jetlagged night’s sleep.

I contacted Saab for a comment on it and this morning received a brief “all continues according to plan” reply, which is about as much as could reasonably be expected. If they had to provide detailed responses on every theory posed by the nordic press, they’d never get any work done.

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For his part, Bard Eker has said to Auto Motor and Sport that he was mis-quoted in the original DN.no article, and as with Saab, he says that all is proceeding according to plan.

Editors of Auto Motor & Sport have been in contact with Bård Eker on Saturday morning and then been told to work with Saab affair continues according to plan. Bard Eker claims to be misquoted and has nothing further to add at this time.

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Christian von Koenigsegg has also said the same to Reuters:

Koenigsegg’s top executive said on Saturday the luxury sport scar maker still aimed to finalize a deal to buy Saab Automobile from General Motors (GM.UL) by the end of October.

Koenigsegg Chief Executive and part owner Christian von Koenigsegg also told Reuters that good progress was being made in talks to secure Swedish state guarantees for billions of crowns of loans from the European Investment Bank (EIB).

“Our deadline for the deal still remains the end of October as we have previously said,” he said.

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The thing that tips my opinion in favour of a DN.no beat-up is the fact their story seems to ignore a few things.

It ignores, for example, the change in ownership structure with 42% of the Koenigsegg Group now being owned by Augie Fabela’s Solsken company.

It ignores the addition of Beijing Automotive to the financial structure, which has taken the heat out of the transaction in terms of funds required.

These are pretty large things to ignore. When you need a story and you’ve got a source (Øye) willing to say something, even if it’s in contradiction to statements made by the key person concerned (Bishop) then I guess the story’s too inviting to be ignored.

It’s little wonder the Koenigsegg people are reluctant to do interviews with the Scandinavian press at the moment. I imagine they’ll be more forthcoming when the deal is done and the real work begins.

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Following is a full edited GoogleTrans from the original DN.no article. My thanks to ‘Oddjob’ for sending it through….

Hidden games can overturn Saab Agreement

HIDDEN GAME: They were to save the Swedish car maker Saab from bankruptcy. Wednesday can be the fairytale end

The shy loan shark Mark Bishop was the brain behind Saab’s rescue operation. Then he was thrown out of a collaboration with Koenigsegg group. In the quiet, he has initiated a financial game around Koenigsegg that can topple the entire Saab Agreement. The job gave him the fraud convicted ex x megleren Thomas Eye, newspaper Dagens Næringsliv on Saturday.

In May this year a group Koenigsegg enthusiasts found company Koenigsegg Group ab. The company consists of Christian von Koenigsegg, the Norwegian industrial designer Bård Eker, the U.S. Telecom billionaire Augie Fable II and Mark Bishop. Bishop is the company’s second-largest shareholder, with 22 percent.

16. June comes the message that will surprise the entire European automotive industry: Koenigsegg Group enters into an agreement with General Motors to buy Saab.

Spider

When Mark Bishop comes to Sweden, he takes his role as the automotive industry’s Greta Garbo.

He says not a word in the media. He evade photographers and get nicknames like “Saab-ghost” and “Spider.”

Both Saab and the Swedish government, said they know nothing about him. The media speculates in if he has any money at all. “We do not know much about Mark Bishop, but we will make a further investigation if it is appropriate in state loan guarantees,” says the Swedish Ministry of Economics in June.

They did not have to investigate him. On 25 June the board of Koenigsegg Group ab was gathered in Gothenburg. The partners have decided to kick Bishop. The board report gives the following explanation:

“Mark Bishop has been bombarded with negative press both in Sweden and the United States. A majority of the Directors has determined that these negative testimonials, may interfere with the ongoing transaction. To ensure that such attempts to interfere with the Saab transaction does not adversely affect the Koenigseggs efforts to implement Mark’s original goal to help Trollhättan community by putting together a group of investors to buy the Saab, the shareholders have agreed that he should resign from the board of Koenigsegg Group. ”

On the same day disappear Mark Bishop’s stake from Koenigsegg Groups share register.

Investors from Eastern Europe

But the story of Mark Bishop’s hasty departure is more than what is recorded in board minutes. Koenigsegg Board is aware that Bishop has contacts with “investors” from Eastern Europe who are trying to get into the Saab-trade. The Eastern Europeans wants to join in as shareholders. Bishops contacts scares Koenigsegg board. The board fears it may be about the Russian mafia, and concludes that the Bishops contacts can ruin the whole project. He must be sacrificed.

- Several of the board was completely terrified. Those of us who have done business in Russia before, knew how this can come to end. Either we had to cancel the whole project, or Mark had to be out, “says Bård Eker to DN.

Bishop has not answered any questions about this from Dagens Næringsliv.

Ex-broker

Today, Bishop jobs for the Canadian Fund Omniarch, which buys residential debt for a low price. Omniarch is also a company that former stockbroker Thomas Eye know well. Eye has a very doubtful reputation because of his grey-market adventures and personal bankruptcy. He is convicted for fraud of five million from NOKAS David Toska.

Recently, the emigrated Thomas Eye worked to set up a new fund for Omniarch. In the late summer of this year, Mark Bishop visited Thomas Eye in his home in Marbella, Spain. Bishop givesThomas Eye a mission: Sell the 20 percent stake in Koenigsegg Group.

Half price

The Norwegian brokerage Carnegie has a time worked to bring investors to the new company, and in an investor presentation appreciates the Koenigsegg Group to one billion dollars if the purchase is in order – a so-called “pre-money valutation”.

If the new Saab comes into operation, and lives up to the new owners’ expectations, Carnegie values the company to 2.6 billion dollars. Koenigsegg-founders will eventually be left with 50 percent of the shares Saab, after the DN experience. If they succeed, the Koenigsegg-founders have shares in Saab to a value of 1.3 billion U.S. dollars – almost ten billion NEK.

But Mark Bishop has no time to wait for a possible breakthrough.

In early September, Thomas Eye offered investors 20 percent of the Koenigsegg group for 60 million dollars. This is almost half the price of the Carnegie appreciation of the Koenigsegg share. Later the price drops to 30 million.

- Do not know Eye

Despite the fact that DN has the documentation that shows that Mark Bishop has given Thomas Eye commission to sell Koenigsegg shares, he is denying today that he knows the Norwegian finance acrobat. Or that he has any shares to sell.

- I am neither a shareholder or board member of the Koenigsegg. I have no shares, “said Bishop.

- We know that Thomas Eye is trying to sell your stocks?

- It is impossible – when I do not have any share, The only ones that represent Koenigsegg Group, is Carnegie, “says Bishop.

Thomas Eye confirms that he has received an assignment of the former owner.

- Mark Bishop has asked me to find a buyer for his shares, “said Thomas Eye.

Who’s fooling who?

Carnegie-chief Anders Onarheim has also heard that someone is trying to dump the Koenigsegg shares – while Carnegie tries to get the company $ 100 million in fresh money.

- We have heard the same thing, but it does not relate to us. We have looked at the Saab case and find it exciting, and so we try to see if we can help it.

- It’s not so easy to sell shares if someone else tries to sell to a much lower price at the same time?

- That may be so, but here there is a question of what they actually have to sell. We have noticed that there is some things going on, but we do not care about it, “said Onarheim.

Who’s fooling who? Who owns the shares that Mark Bishop and Thomas Øye travels around the world to sell? Who is behind the backs of whom, who fronts what and who meets himself in the door?

Drops the funding

Koenigsegg management has now informed the Swedish government about the wild games around Koenigsegg shares. Bard Eker said that they also have stopped the planned Carnegie funding.

- This is an open wound, we must treat. We must eventually address the issue of additional funding later. We have also been contacted by someone who is very serious. So it’s not just grief, “says Eker.

In the middle of next week can Mark Bishop’s initial vision to save Saab be reality. Or in the worst case, both Koenigsegg Group and the Saab be history.

Koenigsegg Group has decided to fight for ownership of Saab just five days.

- If not everything is in place by Wednesday 30 September, we are out. Then we withdraw, “says Eker.

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Saab/Koenigsegg Group in some financial danger?

September 26, 2009 in News

The following is an article from today’s Dagens Industri, a Swedish economic newspaper.
Naturally I’ve sent and email off to Saab for some comment. This could be quite serious, if accurate.
Thanks to ctm for the translation. I’ll publish any response from Saab as soon as I can (however it may not be until morning). I wish there were more I could tell you.
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Koenigsegg Group’s takeover of Saab could break down. Carnegie Investment Bank AB has pulled out of the issue, and Mark Bishop continues to be an uncertainty.
The group of owners have decided to give the deal with Saab another five days.
“Unless everything is in place before September 30 then we are out,” said the Norwegian financier and major owner of Koenigsegg Group, Bård Eker, to Dagens Næringsliv.
“We have held on long enough. It costs a lot of money. People criticize me for using a lot of money offshore, but I can promise you that is nothing compared to hiring consultants from around the world,” he continues.
Koenigsegg seems to have problems with funding. According to the newspaper, the Carnegie-led issue that would give the company around 670 million SEK is stopped.
One explanation for the Carnegie pull-out is that the former major owner Mark Bishop tried to sell the yet unrealized value of the 22-percent share he had in Koenigsegg Group. On June 25 he was ousted from the cooperation with Koenigsegg and then his property were transferred equally among Christian von Koenigsegg and Bård Eker.
As payment Mark Bishop obtained an agreement on compensation in case of a deal between Saab and Koenigsegg. That is an agreement he has tried to dump to various stakeholders, which has caused concern on the market.
And he has not hired just anyone to help him. According to Dagens Næringsliv, Mark Bishop, who now works for the Canadian capital fund Omniarch, hired the former Norwegian stock broker Thomas Øye. The Norwegian is convicted of receiving stolen goods and has dubious reputation.
According to Dagens Næringsliv, Thomas Øye found two potential buyers: Isaac Cohen, 26-year-old heir to a real estate empire, and the American lawyer Peter L Brig.
According to what Bård Eker says to the newspaper, The Swedish Government, has been informed of Mark Bishop’s plans.

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Congratulations

September 26, 2009 in Troll Stuff

To Geelong Football Club…
…for cementing their place as one of the great football teams of the modern era by coming back from behind to win the 2009 Australian Football League Premiership.
Footy really is the gretest game in the world.
To Me…
…for selling my MX-5 – at my asking price – to a really good bloke from Newcastle, who flew down to look at the car this morning.
The Saab 99 Turbo Project can now start in earnest…..and I’m seriously considering painting it Jet Black Metallic like a Turbo X. I have to paint it anyway, so why not paint it the color I’d really like?
Just an idea.
I’m so jet-laggedly tired it’s not funny. Goodnight.
To You…
…For whatever you’ve done or might do this weekend that’s worthy of congratulations. Well done.

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EnG Convertible Update — good start

September 26, 2009 in Troll Stuff

OK, so there aren’t many requirements for inspection where I live. As long as there are no cracks in the windshield, all lights are functioning and the vehicle meets minimum and maximum size, you pretty much pass the state requirements. If you live in Nashville (within a five-county region), you must pass an emissions check unless your vehicle pre-dates emissions requirements (before 1973 or so).
The new (to me) 1991 Saab 900 Turbo convertible passed with flying colors!
(Those are zeros — I’m going green, baby!)

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I’ll go down to the county administration building to pay the sales tax and get the permanent title and tags. I say this to make everyone else jealous — I’ll have no problems getting in and out in about twenty (20) minutes even with a complex thing like an out-of-state title transfer. And, it’ll cost me about $50 for the tags for the year and about $20 for the title fee. Sometimes it’s great to live in a place that has minimal government regulations. ;-)

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Saturday Morning Snippets – copycat edition

September 26, 2009 in News, Saabology

Jetlag’s kicked my a$$ overnight. I’ve come from Sweden to Australia and somehow I seem to have split the difference and am running closer to American time.
Grrrrr.
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I had my first suspicious thought about Hyundai’s design crew copying Saab several years ago when I saw a Hyundai SUV that looked just like the 9-7x. I know a few others have raised this question from time to time, too.
Autoblog have images of a new Hyundai Santa Fe today and it’s almost to the stage where an official enquiry is warranted. Check this out:
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The front air dams a-la Aero X. The grille notching up into the front bonnet. Even the shape of the hood where it meets the A-pillar. All of it is Saab.
2010 Saab 9-5
Damn you, Hyundai!!!!
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I mentioned some concerns about old generation Saab 9-5′s being produced in China in an earlier post from today.
Whilst I hinted at this outcome from Frankfurt last week, I haven’t got around to covering the actual stories in the news on this issue.
The primary story seems to come from Trading Markets:

Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Co., Ltd. (BAIC) is considering the local production of Saab brand in China, according to an insider of the leading Chinese automaker, saying that the final result depends on bilateral negotiations.
A consortium headed by Swedish sports car manufacturer Koenigsegg is buying Saab from General Motors Corporation, while BAIC has inked an agreement with Koenigsegg on the purchase of the latter’s minority stake.
Saab Managing Director Jan-Ake Jonsson has also disclosed the intention to have local production in China, saying that the company plans to double its dealer number in the country.

……and Bloomberg elaborate on the selling story, saying that there are no restrictions from GM on Saab expanding their interest in China

[CvK] said he doesn’t expect GM to impose restrictions on Saab’s role in China similar to those facing the Opel brand that the Detroit-based carmaker is also selling. Opel is blocked from marketing its Astra and Insignia models in China as a condition of Magna International Inc. and OAO Sberbank taking over the German unit.
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Beijing Automotive’s Role
An agreement with GM would unlock a growing economy with sales of 12 million cars this year, almost 50 times larger than Saab’s home market, according to China’s top planning agency. Saab plans to use Beijing Automotive’s sales network to sell its sedans and station wagons, and will share technology with the Chinese manufacturer, Koenigsegg Group said last week.
Saab sold fewer than 900 cars in China last year. Its models were introduced there about five years ago by GM.
“Beijing Automotive is an opportunity for us to establish ourselves in the Chinese market with their experience,” Saab Chief Executive Officer Jan-Aake Jonsson said at a news conference in Frankfurt yesterday.
Saab has “GM’s support” for expanding in China, Jonsson said today in a Bloomberg Television interview at the show. The Swedish company also aims to develop its own sales network in the U.S. once it separates from GM, he said.

…..meanwhile, Beijing Automotive executives are looking towards a Renault/Nissan type alliance that will see both BAIC and Saab share technologies and growth by addition rather then rationalisation.

Wang Dazong, president of Beijing Auto, said: “The model we want to pattern after is Renault-Nissan. It is an alliance that uses each other’s strength to benefit both.”
Mr. Dazong continued that Beijing Auto and Sweden’s Koenigsegg Group, aims to increase efficiency by sharing technology and other resources, through an alliance of “addition, not reduction,” focusing on growth rather than on reducing headcounts and shuttering plants to save money…..
….The company seeks help from Saab in vehicle-engineering and manufacturing technology and know-how. Currently, under the little-known Beijing brand, the company sells aging SUV models through a chain of around 100 dealers but with limited success. In 2008, Beijing Auto sold around 50,000 such SUVs, said the company.
Mr. Wang said that Beijing Auto’s first of a series of cars and SUVs for the brand are expected to be displayed in the showrooms by the end of 2010, and the company plans to increase the number of dealers to “300 to 500 over the next five years.”

This is going to be a very interesting time in the history of Saab. No doubt about it.
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And finally, if you manage to get through all that, The Economist has a very interesting read about the conundrum facing car makers and car buyers in the next few years.
Everyone wants more for less, though now there’s a new empashis on getting more in your small car for less.
The problem?
Small cars make very little money for carmakers. No profit means no investment.
Be careful what you wish for. Personally, I plan to continue working hard so I can continue to afford fuel and drive whatever the heck I want (which is hardly a gas guzzler, anyway).

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On producing (OG) Saab 9-5s in China

September 26, 2009 in Editorial

I hinted at this story from the first day of the Frankfurt Motor Show and there have been some articles on the web in the last few days in support of it.
Saab China.jpg The story is is this: that Saab, fresh with a new Chinese connection, might look to produce the older generation Saab 9-5 in China once they get the new generation Saab 9-5 up and running in Trollhattan.
Sounds like a good re-use of resources, eh? A win-win for everyone.
It could well turn out to be a win-win if it goes ahead, but Saab/Koenigsegg will have to listen to their Chinese partners and play the marketing of this vehicle very carefully.
One of our regular readers at SU, Ying, is originally from China and now lives in the US. He still frequents the Chinese car blogs and websites and wrote to me about what this situation could mean for Saab in China.
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There are some reports on BAIC picking up the tooling of the GM9-5 and will start producing them in China (in fact I think you hinted it yourself).
This news has now spread to various Chinese Saab forums and the general feeling is very negative indeed. Saab owners are a special bunch wherever they are. The idea of an ultra cheap 9-5 produced locally (and possibly not up to the same standard in material and QC) flooding the streets does not sit comfortably with these people.
There is also the general consensus that it would be an insult of the Chinese people’s intelligence to dump an old (VERY old) platform on them, as if they can’t tell the difference between the new generation and the old. These people also appreciate a certain degree of exclusivity and anonymous quality associated with Saabs – many picked Saab over Audi and BMW exactly because it is NOT German.
These tactics works for a time in the past in China, witness the VW Santana, some old Golf etc, but it looks like the locals are catching up. When Mazda decided to continually producing the old 6, and sell it along side the new 6, the backlash was such that sales of both were seriously affected and they had to scramble to do damage control.
I remember Sony’s former chairman once commented the Chinese wanted products cheap and to last but maybe not at the cutting edge, well that was the 1980′s.
IMO the locals have purchasing power are now more savvy. In fact, they’re very conscious about being seen to have the latest and best (ask Bentley and RR and Merc how many Continental, Phantom and S class they sell and China’s market share ranking in the world). People are fairly materialistic and want to show off it seems.
I am sure the Chinese deal is beneficial to Saab, however, I hope in chasing short term cash flow they do not ruin their long term reputation, especially amongst enthusiasts.
I hope they do not repeat the mistake of SIAC and the Roewe 7 (Rover 75), SIAC assembled the 75 in China, re-branded it, and tried to push it as an alternative to the Germans. They have a rather embarrassing all English speaking advert campaign (in China…), a high price point and tried to use fancy buzz words like pure breed, aristocratic British design to lure in buyers, Well, the buyers saw through it and it ain’t pretty.
I have confidence (in their chances) if Saab treat their local customers with respect and do not patronize them. By establish mutual respect in customer/supply relationship, they will have a bright future in that huge potential market.

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There are some really good thoughts there and I agree that Saab will need to do their market analysis properly. Hopefully someone at Saab is way ahead of us on this issue and they’re already considering this.
I think there’s some merit in the possibility of producing the older generation 9-5 in China, though. The key will be transperancy and honesty with the marketplace. If they give the model another name, for example, and position it as an introductory model rather than try and pass it off as a new model, I think it could be a success and an honest attempt at breaking into the market.
The customers that Ying mentions are very, very small in number (around 900 in 2008) and Saab need to expand that number in the hope of upselling them into newer models in the future.
As it stands now, their ability to sell newer models is going to be hampered by a lack of local production and the tax penalties the exist for imports. Right now, Saab just aren’t big enough to contemplate the investment required to produce current and new models there. The possible sale of the older generation 9-5 might be a key to getting to a size where that’s a possibility.
I’m pretty confident that the 9-3 would be outselling the 9-5 in China (in the last few years) by a very, very large margin. The number of customers you risk offending by offering the older 9-5 as a cheaper model with a strong safety and equipment list is therefore quite minimal.
It’s got to be a very tempting scenario for all concerned. I just hope that if they do it, they can do it right. As Ying mentions, this is a massive new market, growing stronger by the year. Saab’s local connections will give them a genuine advantage but they’ve got to treat the market with respect.

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The 2010 Saab 9-5 and head room

September 25, 2009 in Saabology

Carlos_Saab writes the following as a question in comments:

I´m a happy owner of a Saab 93 cabrio and I would like to change my car for the new 95. I have read all the information available about the new 95, and I have to confess that I´m a little worried about the possible lack of headroom both the rear and front seats.
I have compared the data between my current car and the new 95 and I have realized that, surprisingly, my Saab cabrio has 1 cm more of headroom in both the rear and front seats.
I would like to order the sunroof in my future Saab 95, so I think I´m going to lose more room yet.

With regards to comparisons with the convertible, it appears accurate to say that there is less room in the 9-5 in that measurement compared with the convertible, however not to the extent that Carlos mentions.
The front seat headroom – measured from seat to roof – is only 1 millimeter different (964mm in the 9-5 compared to 965mm in the 9-3 cabrio) and the rear seat headroom is 6mm greater in the convertible (934mm copmared to 942mm).
Having noted the statistics, I can tell you from my own experience that I never felt cramped for headroom in either the front or rear seats of the 9-5.
There is a noticeable issue where the 9-5 is installed with a sunroof but I wouldn’t be surprised if Saab have taken measures to ensure that those measurements exists with or without the roof. The sunroof, like all modern ones installed in cars today, retracts between the roof skin and the interior roof panel. There’s no front seat impedance that I could see on the interior head room with the roof installed.
In the back seat, however, Saab have chosen to install the interior light behind the sunroof, which is a placement that’s neither attractive, practical or useful.
The sunroof is quite large, so this means that with the interior light behind the roof, any controls on that light are difficult to operate from the front seat. I didn’t note if there were any alternative interior light controls in the front, which I probably should have done.
Secondly, the interior light is a bulky unit so to integrate this into the interior roof panel, Saab have sculpted the panel with the bulky light in the middle and scolloped channels for passenger headroom on either side.
There is still plenty of headroom there for ‘outer’ passengers in the rear. A central passenger probably has headroom as well, but their forward vision may be impeded by the interior light.
As mentioned, I sat in the back (I’m 6ft 1inch) and had no problems at all, but it does feel a little crowded simply because of that interior lamp.
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It’s difficult to explain this rear seat sunroof situation without people being able to see it. I should have taken a photo but didn’t. If anyone’s going to the Frankfurt show over the weekend then perhaps they could get a shot for us and I’ll add it to this post.
Suffice to say, though, that I didn’t feel any of the roof panel touching my head whether I was in the front or rear. In addition, the legroom and shoulder room in the 9-5 is quite generous and you tend to notice those eye-level things much more readily than headroom. I only find that I notice headroom when it’s a specific problem.
Figures tell you one thing. The best measurement you can do is to sit in the car yourself and feel all of the interior space elements combined. I know that’s not easy to do for most people at the moment as the cars are only available in Frankfurt, but seeing and experiencing it for yourself really is the best measurement you’ll get.
Hopefully it won’t be too long before more people get access to the new Saab 9-5.

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Excellent Saab 9-3x gallery

September 25, 2009 in Saabology

I had a Saab 9-3x for five days in Trollhattan last week. It’s a little unfortunate that the model has come at a such a quiet time in Saab’s history as I’m not sure it’s going to receive the promotion it deserves.
I’ll write up my own impressions in full later in the weekend but suffice to say that ever since its release, my favourite model in the current Saab range has been the Saab 9-3x SportCombi. The Saab 9-3x is a different SportCombi. Is it better? That’s for the individual to decide, but I’ll just say that really enhanced my opinion of the 9-3 range.
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The Saab 9-3x has just been tested by Auto55 in Belgium. Those who speak the lingo can check it out for themselves and those who don’t can apply the translational powers of Google to get the flavour.
The bit I’d like to feature here is the excellent photography they did. The 9-3x is a ruggedly handsome version of the 9-3. There were heaps of them driving arund trollhattan and in various colours, too. Like mine, Auto55 had a white one for their test and they’ve done some excellent work capturing it’s good sides.
There’s a selection below and a full gallery here.
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Vote Saab 9-5 at AMS Germany

September 25, 2009 in Saabology

Another day, another poll…..
This one’s a little different, actually. This is not this car vs that car, it’s actually asking for a rating of a number of cars from the IAA show in Frankfurt.
This will take 10 minutes of your time, but I think you’ll find it interesting, nonetheless, to see how the German Auto Motor and Sport readers have rated a sample of cars from the Frankfurt show.
There are 23 cars to rate, and the 9-5 pops in at around number 18 in that sequence. You simply rate each car from 1 (highlight) to 5 (flop) and after each car, you’ll get a results sheet to show how other readers rated that car.
When I voted the 9-5 tally was as follows. My vote is in the left colum, with the tallied readers’ votes in the right column:
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The German cars in the poll are generally rated higher then others, though there were a few interesing exceptions (and one with particular relevance to we hatch lovers.
The new BMS 5 series GT was rated as a ‘flop’ by the readership. Whether that’s because they don’t like hatches or they’re just sick of BMW trying to create niches with big-ass uglymobiles remains to be seen. They’re certainly no ‘joy’ in this poll, however.
The other BMW fail went to the X1, with the little SUV rating just above a flop.
There’s only one ‘absolute highlight, and yes, it’s German. I voted the Aston Martin Rapide and the 9-5 as absolute highlights, but German readers chose some lump from Mercedes Benz.
Click here to lodge your vote.
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The aim is not to win anything, it’s simply to let AMS Germany know that there’s a decent group of people out there with a solid appreciation for what Saab has done with the 9-5.
For me, the 9-5 was the absolute highlight of the show. As I wrote the night after seeing it, one should not underestimate the significance of that day for the new Saab.
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With thanks to Radulf!

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A ride in the Saab Sonett

September 25, 2009 in Uncategorized

One of the greatest experiences I had one my recent trip to Sweden was an all-encompassing tour of the Saab Museum with the guy who’s responsible for archiving, preserving and protecting Saab’s history – Peter Bäckström.

We got to drive a few of the cars (more on that later), which was a rare privelege, but then Peter bought out the jaw-dropper in the form of the Saab Sonett.

This is one of only six Sonetts ever made and this white one is actually chassis #1.

The video isn’t the best quality in visual terms. i didn’t want to hold the camera up too high as I didn’t want wind noise to ruin what is an incredible soundtrack from this little two-stroker.

What it lacks in visuals, however, it hopefully makes up for in communicating the experience that is riding in a Saab Sonett.




My thanks to Peter and the guys at the Saab Museum for what was an incredible day, more of which is still to be covered here at SU.

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Related:

If you want some excellent background reading on the Saab Sonett, then you can’t go past this excellent piece by Lance Cole, first published in The Independent and re-published at Trollhattan Saab with the author’s permission.

Classic Cars: Saab Sonett

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Swade’s still sleeping snippets

September 25, 2009 in Troll Stuff

After all of that travel, our host, Swade, is likely comatose for a few more hours yet.
Snippet #1: Penske purchases Saturn.

This really only indirectly effects the majority of Saab owners, but Penske seems to like to be a “virtual” OEM — distributing and servicing cars without actually manufacturing them. They are the folks behind the Smart car in North America, which is, of course, designed and manufactured by Daimler. Of late, Saturn has been essentially the same thing: they’ve been re-badging Opels to sell in North America. According to several sources, Penske is interested in choosing from vehicles manufactured by any auto OEM that will sell in substantial volume here in the US and Canada.
Since Saab and Saturn are distributed in the same channel in Canada, I suspect that Penske would gladly sign up to be the Saab dealer network in that country, and it would be an easy fit for Saab, too. Fair enough. EDIT: Per Bruce in comments, I did not realize that Penske had decided to ax the Canadian market once they assume ownership of Saturn, which naturally poses a question of exactly who will serve the Canadian market for Saabs? Ouch. And all this time I felt good about it because the Canadians were “taken care of”. Not so. This begs the question then for both the US and Canada: Will Saab build the infrastructure to support these dealers, or will someone else fill the void?
I suppose that one could make a good argument for a similar deal in the United States: let the Penske-owned Saturn dealers handle Saabs as well. If we had no other existing dealer network, that would be fine. However, we do have a cadre of well-versed Saab dealers that presumably would prefer to continue the relationship with Saab. Perhaps here in the United States, Penske could serve as a distributor to the existing dealer network? It would relieve Saab of the pressures and logistics of distribution — a business that isn’t necessarily Saab’s forte.
I can also see that many of Saab’s designs could be built in China, Korea or the US and distributed as Saturns through a company like Penske. We Saabisti would win because the Saab-designed cars would be more readily available and presumably less expensive.
I’ve stated before that I’d like Saab to pursue non-traditional distribution schemes to maximize the footprint with as little investment in time and resources as possible. Either option would certainly work towards that goal.
Side bar:
On a very sad note for those of us in my local area, the GM Spring Hill, Tennessee plant, originally built in the middle and late 1980′s to manufacture Saturn automobiles, will close in November after just completing a 14-month renovation to produce the Chevrolet Traverse and sister vehicles.
Snippet #2: What does this picture tell you about the way that I drive?

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According to this article in the Daily Mail, plenty.
You see, it seems that my hands tell tales that I’m not willing to admit!
In a recent series of studies, science has determined that the length of a man’s ring finger corresponds to several traits, one of which is aggressive driving. They asked several men to catalog their various traffic offenses and one of the strongest correlations was to ring finger length. The longer the fourth finger, the more aggressive the driver.
As you can see from the photograph, my fourth finger is longer by about one-quarter to three-eights inch (8 mm to 10 mm) than my index (second) finger.
I could tell this tale in many ways, but I’ll say this: I had to apply for a waiver to be commissioned as a lieutenant in the United States Air Force because I had accumulated eight traffic offenses before graduation from college at age 22. During the four-year span that I owned my first Saab, I was cited five times in four US states (Tennessee, Alabama, Texas and Colorado). I’ve been to traffic court in at least ten jurisdictions across the country (fifteen would be my best guess).
You could say that I’m a case-in-point. Are you?
Age has mellowed me; I’ve not been pulled over by the cops in at least three years. I’m trying to continue that trend. I may start some kind of syndrome to help other guys get out of their tickets — “Quad Phalange Syndrome (QPS)” or “Long Fourth Malady (L4M)”. It just might work…Abbott, check the precedents!
Snippet # 3: Is it just me, or does the “baby Rangie” look like a Saab 9x SUV?

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I saw this announcement on Top Gear and immediately thought that it had the same basic silhouette as the Saab 9x, only in beef cake SUV form. Maybe it’s the white color, wrap-around windows and clam-shell hood, but, wow, I think that it’s got a lot of 9x in it. Your thoughts?
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Additional note: My indy Saab shop (now working on many makes) needs a manager for their second location. If you are interested and have some management experience, they want to talk to you. This location has been open only one month but has exploded with business in an under served area. I know that jobs may be tough to come by these days, so I’m spreading the word. Naturally, you’ll have to live or move here.

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Back home and Saab news snippets

September 24, 2009 in News

I love travelling to Sweden, but I don’t have the words to describe how much I hate getting there and getting home.

Hats off to Singapore Airlines, though. I flew with four different airlines on my trip home (SAS, Lufthansa, Singapore and Virgin Blue) and Singapore are by far the best airline I’ve ever flown with. That’s not a long list, by the way, as I’m not a frequent traveller. But it’s Singapore first with clear blue-sky daylight between them and anyone else.

The wife and dog both recognised me when I got home, so that’s a good start…..

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My second task now that I’m back home is to sell my Mazda MX-5. A guys is flying down from New South Wales on Saturday morning to look at it and I had several local enquiries via email while I was away, so it’s looking positive.

Hopefully I can start the 99 Turbo project pretty soon!

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My first task now that I’m back home is to catch up on some of the Saab news going around. I was so busy in Germany and Sweden that I didn’t check my RSS Reader even once.

Hence, there’s plenty to cover…….

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ctm has emailed me the news circulating in Sweden, stating that Augie Fabela has finally done what I figured he must do: taken up a significant stake in Saab. This was reported a little while ago, with the revelation earlier this month of the Solsken company taking a 42% interest in Saab.

Solsken is a company registered in Holland and owned by Fabela.

Back on September 5th we had the following ownership structure:

  • ‘Solsken’ – 42%
  • Alpraaz – 24%
  • Eker Group – 24%
  • Koenigsegg Auto – 10%

It appeared therefore that Fabela had bought out Mark Bishop and some shares from other owners.

The other thing of interest is the minority stake now owned by Beijing Automotive. Auto Motor and Sport have reported that stake to be 20% of the Koenigsegg Group, but I’m left wondering if that’s come about by way of purchasing ownership from existing owners, or whether they’ve injected capital and own 20% of the new entity?

That would be a much more desireable scenario to me.

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I had a brief chat with Magnus Nordberg in Frankfurt. The name may not be familiar to all of you but his work should be.

Magnus is the business writer for the TTELA newspaper, which covers Trollhattan and surrounding areas, so he’s been plugged in to everything that’s been going on at Saab. I’ve got nothing but admiration for this quiet Swede, who seems to just go about his business and produce great reports on the Saab affair that are well balanced and full of access and insight.

Some of his more recent work:

Saab to win back customers – An interview piece with Saab’s chief marketing man, Knut Simonsson.

Simonsson sees Saab’s current situation with good doses of humor (the phrase all publicity is good publicity has been stretched too far with Saab) and realism. He believes there’s a lot of pent up demand for Saab’s new product, with people waiting anxiously on the sidelines for greater reassurance in the wake of the headlines written by much of the Swedish media.


Could be the perfect compromise
– an editorial on the pressure facing Saab in the coming weeks (with regard to EIB loans, etc) and the recent potential addition of BAIC to Koenigsegg Group’s ownership register.

The automotive industry today is torn between a fear of falling into Chinese hands, and on the other hand, a desire to find an easy way to enter the huge Chinese market. When, as in Saab’s case, they get a Chinese owner of minority interests, it may be the perfect compromise.

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and finally…… it seems the head of Beijing Automotive was in Trollhattan at the same time I was!! I don’t know what he was doing that night, but he certainly wasn’t bowling!

Employees from China Beijing Auto has been at Saab in Trollhattan in once a week. On Thursday the CEO was there. The purpose: See if there is technology to buy the company’s manufacturing operations in China.

- They are so far very pleased with what they’ve seen, “says Kjell ac Bergstrom, CEO of Saab’s subsidiary Powertrain Sweden, to TT.

…… The company has promised a minority stake in Koenigsegg Group, but to get the letter of intent to mature into a definitive agreement with spices Koenigsegg Saab Technologies.

- BAIC is prepared to invest what is needed, but want to get something in return. They have not gone into this just because it’s fun to support Trollhättan, “says Kjell ac Bergström.

……- In order to be able to develop its own brand, the access rights from a manufacturer like Saab, who can sell the licenses, “says Kjell ac Bergström.

GM and Saab are still negotiating about the technology owns Saab. It’s just that the Chinese will see. In addition, Saab has taken a lot of precautions.

- They may not take any photos, do not bring any copies, “says Kjell ac Bergström.

He is, like, the management of Saab and Koenigsegg Group, warmly welcomes the BAIC.

- The company feels very stable, with a leadership that has experience in Western car companies, “he says.