I had a discussion with a friend of mine in the Netherlands earlier this evening. We thought we’d open it up to the wider Saab community in an attempt to actually figure out what happened last weekend.
The whole Saab Support Convoy movement was unprecedented in motoring, as far as I know. Most companies could only dream of having such a loyal base to build from; customers willing to come out and get together to do their part to try and support the company in a time of need.
In plain terms – most of the world would view it as unusual behavior, but it made total sense to me, as I’m sure it did to you.
From my friend in the Netherlands:
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What started as an idea in the Netherlands sort of got picked up worldwide. It does, however, raise questions about all those involved and everyone else watching it on television, on the Internet and in the papers.
Did you participate? If so, did you ever ask yourself why?
Did you even ask yourself as to why is it that you own a Saab and feel so moved by it to come out in the cold and gather, as we did?
A lot of the comments on SaabsUnited are about the love we all have for Saab. Someone said the following about the Dutch convoy:
“I drove to a convoy gathering point. Spent an hour or so there getting wet and cold, fitting stickers to my car and a rally sign to the grill. The I drove to the Museum in a convoy and yet again found myself getting more wet feet and cold. Then I drove in another convoy to Muiden, where the sun was setting, so I got even colder. But I would not have missed this for the world.“
What is it that brings us all out in droves, to basically kick tyres in the wet, gloat over every model ever sold in the Netherlands and share in this feeling of warmth?
What would have happened if the Koenigsegg deal had gone through? Would we all have come out and celebrated like this? And of so, would the gatherings have been as large worldwide as they were on January the 17th?
Lots of questions raised, questions a lot of people would like to see an answer for.
Can you help and state why you did what you did when participating in a convoy?
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I’m sure the people at Saab would be curious to know the answers to all these questions as well.
It really was a remarkable occasion.
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I organized and participated in a convoy to bring attention to the plight of Saab. If the Koenigsegg deal had gone though, such an action wouldn’t have been necessary. However although unnecessary, hopefully we can have an even bigger celebration convoy when Saab is sold. Perhaps one in the Northern hemisphere summer?
I have already written that I was afraid that if I didn’t go the God would punish me by putting to one jar with Opel owners in hell…
Now seriously. I don’t believe our actions had any impact on GM but they could motivate the bidders and the Saab workers to fight for the future of Saab.
What else: The motoring world without this brand would be really boring.
I am happy to be there last Sunday, and I am happy to be able to help to make the convoy in Poland using my contacts with local Police to make them watch the convoy and help at the most difficult crossings.
I did it for the same reason Greenpeace wants to stop whaling and Al Gore wants to stop using light bulbs: we all have a vision on a perfect world.
I just can’t imagine a world without Saab. It would be such a shame to lose a distinct brand like Saab. It’s the only brand that fits my needs, my personality and my taste.
I just wanted to show the world my feelings and my sympathy. I was not the only one.
For me, there was no option. I could participate, so I did it without any second thought. I wanted to do whatever I could do to support the brand. For me there were several good things about it too:
Why I was there?
Because I care.
Saab is a car designed by engineers and drivers with other drivers in mind. They have cared for us by building cars that contain the essentials for good driving experience, safety and practicality; not fashion statements or activity centres for kids. They construct cars for drivers, because they care. I want to give back to them, what they have given to me, and share care.
I’ll start..
I was in the UK convoy. I have felt for the marque for a long time since my dad bought his first in 1982 – a 99GL, he is now on his 13th Saab. I got hooked, and now on my 3rd, a 9-5 Aero.
A Saab is like nothing else, there are not enough words to describe how an enthusiast feels about his car, there is a lot of empathy between man and machine..
I ‘organised’ a mini-convoy from South Mimms services to Luton for this who travelled from South East England, we had over 30 cars, the highlight was the 97 Sonett III. I swore with pleasure. It was important to get people together and people just gelled, looking and admiring at each other’s cars. People just got on together, no aggression or showing off, we were all equal. I did ask the turbo brigade to ease off on the journey so as not to leave the 2strokers and V4s behind, but as I was last in the convoy (so far back and a last minute bio break) I couldn’t catch up with the cars because ‘they were having fun’.
The feeling of warmth continues in Luton and Duxford and it’s such a privilege to be in such dignified company….
there is mention of a repeat – maybe when Saab do become independant of GM…
I participated in the Dutch Support Convoy.
And I did think it through for a while:
My main reason was that I was sick and tired of all the negative comments about our beloved brand… On blogs, to customers, even to family and friends I found myself defending the brand over and over again.
I knew that this day, with all people thinking alike, that wouldn’t be neccesary…
Furthermore I hoped for a positive image of Saab-drivers in the press. A bit like ‘see, I’m not the only one still believing in Saab’
Both my wishes were generously met the 17th!
I had a good reason to partcipate in this convoy: I really love (my) Saab. There was a very good mood.
It gave me a special feeling to drive in the colonne of Saabs on the Dutch highway.
I hope this may help to give Saab a new future.
Can’t wait to see the new 9.5 Estate coming to the Netherlands:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autowereld.com%2Fspyshots%2Fdetail.asp%3Fartikel%3D9410&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
Why? My bond to a car marque that dared (notice that past tense) to be different. Not run of the mill, but niche. Those who appreciate Saab are those who identify with brands that actually ‘have’ identity and dare themselves to be different. I also have to say that frustration with how GM has changed Saab in the last 15 years or so played a part in my joining a convoy. Certainly there must have been some benefits that came from GM, but from my point of view they were outweighed by negatives.
SAVE SAAB
As a Saaber for almost 35 years now, I joined the Dutch convoy just because I feel as a member of a group and wanted to show my solidarity and that is exactly want the whole event displaid. By the way, in the Dutch convoy the majority of cars were from before 2003 including many classics, in contrast to what I saw in many other countries.
Well, I could not participate in Frankfurt for I was stuck at work and I still could kick myself in the butt for that but the questions you rose came to my mind also:
What would have happened if the Koenigsegg deal had gone through? Would we all have come out and celebrated like this? And of so, would the gatherings have been as large worldwide as they were on January the 17th?
I’ve heared of couples married for a long time who got even closer together because of going through a big crisis. They didn’t seperate, which may have been the easier way, they chose to fight for their love and were rewarded for that.
Looks to me like Saab and it’s customers and fans also chose to fight and got a lot closer together. And even more, the closer Saab came to the abyss. Those events last weekend were not to blame GM, they were to show the love people feel for Saab. A huge, positive feeling sent out to the world.
Speaking of myself, the last year at SU has grown my love for Saab. Not that it wasn’t there before, I think it was the communication with similar souls here that made it come out even more. Thanks for that to Swade and all here at SU.
Still, the wait ain’t over. But it has shown that the love of the Saab owners has successfully been stress tested. Maybe with a done K-Group deal the Saab community would not have moved that close.
I still hope that, like that fighting couple, we will be rewarded.
Griffin UP!
Unfortunately I was unable to attend the dutch convoy. If I had been there, it would have been to show my support to saab employees and dealers and to make a statement to those involved in negotiations about saab.
Off topic: dutch internet newspaper nu.nl reports that Victor Muller still has faith in the takeover and continues negotiations with GM. That it takes longer than expected is only because it’s so complicated.
I have been reading every post on this website since the whole ordeal started, always wondering, what can I do? What can I do to help? Is there anything I can do to ensure I have a Saab to buy when I graduate from college?
So naturally, when I noticed that there was no Convoy being planned in my area, and me being someone in a leadership position in our local club, I started making plans for everyone.
In two days, St. Louis Saabers will convoy over to the arch, and I firmly believe it is the biggest and most important thing I can possibly do to help Saab at this point in time.
David
Saab Up!
We gather because a Saab is a car with a heart, a spirit that not even GM could kill- it’s a real-life Herbie the love bug kind of thing, you feel that your car is connected to you, that it is at once your friend, pet, and guardian. Every enthusiast for any kind of car will tell you that a car is more than a way to travel, but with a Saab, it’s just… more so, I suppose. I’ve seen people who normally couldn’t care less about what they drove fall completely head over heels in love with a Saab- it’s a car with a soul, and it inspires a passion in people. We gather not only to support the brand we love, but to be with like-minded people of all races and backgrounds, and it’s awe-inspiring that something like a car can bring together people from every populated continent in the defense of the same idea. As the other person said… I wouldn’t miss this for the world.
I asked myself why I started to feel the struggle to do my (microscopical) part.
I got into my first Saab as a passenger in ’83.
Since then I drove them and I still drive one.
So these cars are now part of the story of my life and they are (just a) part of my thinking about my future.
I wanted to shout to the world “I like Saab and I don’t want to miss it!”.
“Nobody should never take somebody’s else future.”
Sadly, I was away at the weekend. I really wanted to participate with the UK Saabers, especially as I live quite close to the route, but it wasn’t possible. But, if there is a celebration convoy, I will do my best to attend. Why? Becuase I believe in Saab and what they stand for as a brand. True to say, my interest and feel for Saab has increased since “joining” this SU community. I knew my Saab was special, but now I know WHY!
OT —- OT
By looking at those pictures of the NG 9-5 Estate i got the impresion that car is a t least 10cm longer than the “real” one.
The whole back part is facked, rear bumper, rear lights, lower part of the tailgate, do not belong to this car.
sorry for posting this here
Why did I join a convoy? Because I felt that I needed to support the mark and the workers. The people who put their soul in our cars. Cars that are designed for us in every aspect. Not for the deep pockets off shareholders. I felt that I needed to show the world that Saab in not dead. As long as I’m able too I will drive a Saab. Thats why!
And when I noticed that the organisation of the Dutch Convoy needed some helpers on the day itself, I felt the need to participate in an active way. It would have been a shame if all the hardwork to organise the convoy when to waste because they were lacking a few hands. So I found myself standing hours in watery snow parking and sending off Saabs. Didn’t even see the cars in the showcase 700 metres away. It didn’t matter too me. Others could and thanked me for that. That was more than enough for me. That was my contribution to Saab.
All I can say is that I am a Saab-lover but unfortunatley not a Saab-owner yet. Additonally, no support rally was organized here in Spain and I frankly do not understand why. I would have enjoyed driving there even with my old Renault Clio just for watching Saabs and adding some support.
I guess most of the common not completely Saab-nuts, as you are, believed someway or the other Saab would have been sold sometime through 2009, to an Indian or Chinese company, and then no supporting rallies would have been necessary. However, for me GM
An even better question is what brings people like myself who have never owned a Saab into the fray to keep the company going ?
For me its the uniqueness and Iconoclast nature of Saab along with the steady demise throughout the world of autos as well as music of such choices and the desire on my part to hold on to what ever might be left that has me here.
Holding on to the past ? Maybe . But for me the McDonalds of everything new of late ( sameness ) does not afford one genuine options .
And who knows . At age 53 I can’t keep stuffing myself into my little sporty car forever so maybe there is a Saab in my immediate future .
It would be nice to know its ( Saab ) still there if I choose that route .
According to nu.nl, Spyker is still negotiating with GM as of Friday. In the google translated article Victor Muller is quoted saying “We are still negotiating. That it takes longer, suggests that it is crazy complicated”.
http://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nu.nl%2Feconomie%2F2168194%2Fspyker-blijft-hopen-saab-deal.html
Off topic: don’t know what it means, but it looks like the field staff, (sales & service) who now work for Saab North America have just one week left on their contracts.
I think the people in the Saab community are the biggest reason for the gatherings. You just can’t find a greater bunch of people unified by the common thread of a car brand. But there’s something else, too.
If somebody was a Pontiac fanatic, well, they could buy a Chevy and probably be happy. Same for Oldsmobile or Saturn. If you love Saabs, as all of us do, and the brand is eliminated, what else do you buy? There’s just nothing else that comes close to these cars. OK, you could buy the older models, but eventually if you want a new car, what would you do? Would you be happy with a Chevy? Cadillac?
That’s what I believe these gatherings are all about.
Thoughts and intentions were:
Crap. I wanted an announcement today.
I too took part in the UK convoy (hi Josephine and Peter).
I did it to show support for Saab. What it stands for. What it means to Saab drivers. There was never a thought that I might not go.
I identify with Saab. I love the design. I love the engineering. I love the thought which has gone into them. I love the way they are understated and don’t scream out ‘look at me’ like some cars do. I also love the performance and the way they are designed for drivers, with or without families.
The positive feeling that was all around the meeting was amazing and it made all of us feel like we were part of a big family.
Saab up!
The heart says: “Because of the love of a SAAB”
The mind says: “GM, (corporate America) take this, you arrogant, incompetent idiots; there are things I keep close to my heart, and you are not one of them. You will never understand. You did not buy SAAB to save the icon or expand a market; you bought it because it was an economically efficient way to get technology, design, and engineering that Detroit can’t seem to come up with on their own. And you abused and neglected your foster child. After years of taking advantage of our interests and our pocketbooks, you deserve to be in the situation you are in. We are only demanding you give us back the one good thing to come (back) out of Detroit in a very long time.”
Ok the way I see what happen is this. I am not able to go to the Washington Convoy because of my job commitment. To this point I feel bad like I am letting a friend down. Yes my Saab is a car, yes I paid fro this car, yes GM or Saab owe me nothing else as I don’t owe them a thing. But In my heart I love my Saab as does my wife and she doesn’t like anything (lol). So I do owe Saab anything that we can do to make sure it is a viable company when its time for our next one. Thats the same thing I think most people felt last weekend standing in the wet cold day doing things they would not normally do and loving what they were doing. I do feel that Saab will be here for a long time its just a b#tch having to wait for that answer.
One thing off topic. To Eggs, Zippy, and many many more that I read everyday and reply to at times
Thank You for the enjoyment.
To Steven, Swade what ever happens Bless you I hope someone does realise what an influence you have been to so many.
I participated because I have an emotional attachment to Saab and I don’t want it to disappear. I thought the planned worldwide display of support could maybe, in some way, help give a little push towards survival of “the Saab”.
Why the emotional attachment? Because I learned to drive in my father’s 1986 9000 turbo (what a car that was – untamed turbo years), because my sister’s life was saved by my mother’s 1988 9000S when she was sideswiped and sent flying by a speeding pickup that missed its red light, because I wish my father had let me drive his 1994 9000 Aero a bit more (why don’t you use your own car – 1984 Plymouth Reliant station wagon – hum…I prefer the seats in yours Dad…), because I really loved the balance and style of the C900 (though I never owned one), because I really love my current ’99 9-3SE (though its driving dynamics fall short of the 1980′s Saabs).
Because short of having a car built here in Quebec, I feel the Swedish rides, and especially the Saab, are closest in spirit to my culture and ethos.
I joined a convoy that drove from Connecticut to the Brookline, MA. SAAB Rally. Why did I do it? I guess because I have never felt a connection like this to a car brand with both a passion for a car maker and the people who drive them. This was reinforced during the drive to the meet. 8 SAABs driving along the MassPike was a bonding moment for me with the other drivers and all Saab owners. When we arrived I spoke with one of the drivers in the convoy about that “first” SAAB that ignited the need to own one of “those” some day. Our stories where almost identical. Regardless of model, I believe that every single one of us will always have that “first” SAAB that ignited the passion we have for these cars. It is the small things like the quick thumbs up with the driver ahead of me that creates such a communal bond I have never experienced before with fellow car owners.
SAAB to me is an incredible instrument that can bring out the best in all of us. My SAAB was there for me when I needed to get home safely during a snow storm and I want to return the favor and be there for SAAB.
I live in Troms
I found a while ago some interesting thoughts (educated I think) among the comments to an article in the swedish Auto motor & Sport. It was written by a person called Frida, and she says she is a doctor in economics and brands. Anyway – I think she has some good points so here is what she says (in my translation):
“Brand
(The Saab brand is a ) Global product, not only a history that can be loved by
I only wish the habitual nay-sayers in Sweden could read many more stories like this! People in Sweden in general don’t understand how iconic the SAAB brand is in many parts of the world!
http://www.sr.se/webbradio/webbradio.asp?type=db&Id=2155659&BroadcastDate=&IsBlock=
GM-visan
Hi Sebastien, Well said. I did not realize all your Saab history. My ’86 9000 turbo was a fantastic ride. It was great meeting you at the Montreal convoy and I’m still amazed at how it got done at such short notice. I guess it’s simply more evidence of the powerful connection between people and their Saab.
Patrik, I have seen you here before so your thoughts our in the same place as mine “Let Saab Live”. As to the nay-sayers most just follow the crowd any way. They have no idea how Iconic the brand is but they will, trust me they will. I just hope all of those wonderful men and women at Trollhatten really know how we all feel and how we are praying they can continue to build the car they do so well.
Lana that was a great story thank you.
Remember…….BELIEVE
Just saw a Cadillac ad on this site. Ugh.
Are they even writing songs about it now? Brilliant!
Are they even writing songs about it now? Brilliant!
Are they even writing songs about it now? Brilliant!
Are they even writing songs about it now? Brilliant!
I (co-)initiated the German convoy after reading here that many many countries took part – but not Germany!
So I (and others) wrote again and again in http://www.saab-cars.de that we MUST be a part of this great event.
Within 3 days we got 65 cars. Not that bad, hmmm?
For sure this is NOT the only reason.
The other one is just plain and simple what was used as the message itself:
SAVE SAAB!
And a German saying goes:
The one who fights can lose.
The one who doesn’t fight has already lost!
At least I wanted to be in the first group
Kudos to you, Thilo. That was one heck of a journey. You truly are a dedicated Saab supporter!
till: you should really kick your whatever
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you missed a breathtaking heartwarming overwhelming not-yet-seen event full of ….
okay, no words can describe.
just check the pictures/videos/blogs/comments to get an idea of WHAT you missed
But make sure to keep open the day when we all celebrate the REBIRTH of Saab.
This will be the reward finally…
One buys a SAAB for a reason, a psychological reason I believe, I think almost everything one is doing, wearing or even driving is for the sake of letting others know how you see yourself and how you want to be seen. I think most SAAB-enthusiasts can reflect how they see the marque of SAAB or how SAAB sees her customers on themselves. That is one of the reasons I joined the Dutch SSC: On the one hand because I think a marque as special, typical and individualistic as SAAB is not to be wound down; on the other hand because I am SAAB and SAAB is me (in some crazy way) and I am proud of who I am and I am willing to stand for that.
I had to go to the Southern California rally that gathered at Walter Wong’s wonderful shop. there is no better place to gather than Walter’s……he has done so much to keep the brand alive with his loving care of old and new Saabs and their customers. Many would have given up long ago if it weren’t for Walter.
I love Saab and can’t bear to think that it may be gone as a brand. I learned how to drive on my family’s 1959 93b and took my driving test on that car on April 27th 1960. We then bought a 1960 95 wagon, and my graduation gift from college was a Saab 96 2-stroke demo that my dad bought for $1300 from a friend who was a dealer. I have owned a dozen Saabs since then including 1979 900 turbo, 1988 SPG and 1988 convertible and 1997 9000 Aero. I have owned 3 95′s and my currently 2 95 Aeros. My wife drives anything other than a Saab and she wonders why they are just no fun.
My daughter’s life was saved by our 900 Saab when someone ran a light in an SUV…….they are just great great cars.
Ironically I have always been a GM buyer and currently own a GM SUV and a pickup truck……but I don’t like how GM handled Saab. I was very close to the inside over the years with many close friends who worked at Saab Cars USA.
I will always drive a Saab. That may mean that it has to be the wonderful 95s we now have [with Walter Wong and http://www.sabnet.com s help] I Just want the chance to buy a new generation 95 someday.
So I was there with my SAVE SAAB sign last Sunday…..what a great experience. I met lots of fellow Saab nuts I did not know, and saw some great cars. I got to drive a 1978 EMS the only non-turbo 4 Saab I have drive and it was a hoot. No power steering no turbo…..cool.
I had the honor of directing a shoot that my sons and I did of Jay Leno talking about his 1958 93b last April 2009
see: http://www.donneysaab.com/Jay-Leno.htm
for the 2009 Saab Owners convention and it was great to hear a guy who is such a knowledgeable collector and has so many cars that it is a secret including Dusenbergs and Bugaties, talk in such loving terms of the essence of Saab.
It is so great to see how many all over the world turn out for these Saab rallys. I know the movement will continue and it has reawakened in a lot of us what Saab means and that we can’t live without Saab in our lives.
Dick Lague IGNITION3
http://WWW.IGNITION3.TV
What can I say, that just saved this evening! Brilliant! Unfortunatly in swedish but really funny at least for us who understand swedish.
Griffin Up!
there was no such gathering in Portland Or
I’ve been thinking about this lately (ineviatable, I guess) and have come to the conclusion that IF the worst happens and our beloved Saab is no more, only Subaru and Alfa Romeo come close enough for me to consider as possible replacement. Not totally, but they have a similar spirit, I feel. But let’s hope this is just a thought, no more!! Griffin UP!!
So I was kind of trusting the commenter “Saab” that we might have an announcement today. Now that it’s about 6:15pm CET, it’s pretty safe to say we’re waiting until Monday now? Oooh the agony!!!
Tony,
Unfortunately in Sweden we have some vocal haters who in some cases are Volvo-fanatics who go on and on about how great it will be when SAAB is finally gone! (I know, this is pretty hard to belive!)
It’s is of no pleasure to me that Volvo seems to be getting sold to China, and as such most likely its factories will probably be moved there down to the last bolt. I bet those SAAB haters will be suprised and dismayed though once they finally understand the implications of this.
It’s ironic that GM and Ford are selling/destroying their best brands in order to concentrate on USA!
separation anxiety
I just couldn’t imagine what our planet would be like without Saab dealerships.
>Did you participate? If so, did you ever ask yourself why?……
I participated in Brookline MA last Sunday.
because I wanted to support my and my daughter’s beloved Saab.
I do support because I wanted more people(who doesn’t know about Saab)to know how great Saab is, great handling, distinguish looking, safety(big deal for us).
I wanted to support people who built my and other’s Saab in Sweden. I just wanted to return something.
I pushed my home country Japanese Saab owner to show their support, because I didn’t see any action coming last week. and they will on 24th in Tokyo Japan.
I’m pretty sure the disguised car has been made to look that horrible by purpose! The OG 9-5 estate must be one of the best looking estates ever, so I doubt they made a mess of the new one!
The OG95 is one of the best looking estates ever, but I think the NG95 will even look better.
Why we do what we did?
It’s all about values. SAAB has strong and clear values. You can feel it. It’s no fake at all, it’s real. My SAAB understands me, that’s it. I feel at home.
So a Convoy is about defending this values in a globalized world.
The fact that there are even more other People that feel the same is fantastic.
I remeber the moment when I first met Swade in real life (IAA 2009): it was the same magic and very comfortable moment: He feels the same, he appreciate the same Values.
That’s why so many SAAB Drivers claim: I don’t know what other Car I can drive instead of a SAAB. I can find the originality in an Alfa 159, but the clean and decent Expression? The Alfa is more Macho Show Off and expresses Energy and Aggression, but I don’t want to express that at first sight. I feel comfortable and understood in my SAAB, that’s it. So why not demonstrate it in a Convoy, if this values are in danger?
You can feel at home in every car:
SAAB DISAGREES
I can’t keep quiet any more…
I’m italian and I had an Alfa Romeo 33 before going to Volvo 480 and to my last 4 Saabs.
Saab and Alfa are like north pole and south pole… just the opposite. Alfa engineering, components and assembling are weak. One word: unreliable.
Probably you won’t break your engine along a trip (same TiD engine as Saab). But for sure you’ll go to service to try to make fix small defects more times than you would like to go… and they won’t fix it.
Maybe an old spider just for fun… not for “serious” travelling.
If I’d miss Saab, I’ll never go DOWN to Alfa.
Sorry, I know Swade likes it and just have one!
Indeed… If you have any ideas for a reason to get some Saabs (and their owners) together (perhaps next summer?), let me know. I have a few ideas on my end but nothing tangible yet.
Oh and get that 9000 back on the road!
(sorry for the thread hijack)
I participated in the Detroit gathering because we needed to get the word out that SAAB is not looking for a hand out or free money, all we want is to be SOLD to a new company who wants to make SAAB better.
I realize that as a dealer I have a vested interest personally, but what of my obligation to my customers who have been faithfully coming to my dealership for new cars, parts and service for the past 18+ years? I owe it to them to do everything possible to ensure that SAAB continues. I appreciate their loyalty and I needed to be at the gathering to show that appreciation.
To me Saab is much more than a brand, it’saway of life. I don’t just drive my Saab, I wear it!
It just felt natural! You do not seek reasons why to do a support convoy, you just do.
And that is why nobody did not ask this question at that day, it was in our blood – and it will always be!
Thanks for sharing the link to that video interview with Jay Leno about his 1958 Saab. Jay really gets the concept of Saab and its engineering heritage!
I know I’m O.T. but…
http://blog.lefigaro.fr/auto/2010/01/manifester-en-saab.html
Le Figaro, famous french newspaper puts next jan 24th Paris SSC news online.
As an expatriate in Belgium, born and raised in Trollh
Friday afternoon, no news.
I don’t like where this is going.
I was also contemplating the same question last weekend and came to the (somewhat strange) conclusion that I owe gratitude to GM. I never realised exactly how much I actually love my Saab and Saab in general before the brand was on the chopping block.
Until then Saab had always been to me just an obvious choice because I liked (and like – the NG95 is amazing) the look of the cars. Now I know and feel it goes beyond that. Saab is in my heart. It feels a little like the relationship you have with a good old friend.
I guess a lot comes from the feeling of “being different” or “standing out”. Saab is simply not like other cars. The brand has a mind of its own and if the world doesn’t accept the way it thinks, well then the world is just obviously wrong (let’s hope that doesn’t change). I like that kind of mentality and am guessing that other Saabists feel the same.
I recently put the “I love Saab” sticker behind my back windscreen and have caught myself speeding down the highway to show all those slow Mercedes and Audis just how much I really love Saab.
Saab is in my blood. So whatever it takes I go for it. Without it, I would feel lonely and lost out here. The world’s heading the bad direction of depreciation. That sees Saab — a still retained value — even more important. It’s no wonder why we all insist on it and on the things it represents. It’s no wonder we hold together and strive.
In the eighties of last century I worked on the 900 of a friend, in exchange for using it whenever I needed a car.I fell in love with the sturdy design and strong handling and knew that one day I would buy a Saab myself. A few years ago my old banger fell apart on the way home and I knew instantly that the time had come. I forced myself to visit several car dealers to make sure I was not fooling myself, but just nothing beats a Saab…
Over the last weeks I’ve wondered why it is so special. For me Saab is synonymous with Zen. Essential, rational, practical perfection, No-nonsense. A choice for adult, grown up people. It makes sense. At this moment Saabistos all over the world are holding their breath. In some conference room in Detroit people are working their backsides off to try and get all the dots and jotas in the right place. Professional people, engineers with words and numbers, practical, rational but with a passion for perfection. Zen, Saab. It is flipping hard work, it takes time, with attention for every detail but with the knowledge and trust that the best results can only be achieved as result of perseverance and labour of pure love.
Be with them in your thoughts, give them your trust and keep the relay of convoys going to give a visible message that Saab is worth it!
It is not possible to sent E-mails to the President via the white house switchboard anymore due to many E-mails.
I wonder if that is GM
It is not possible to sent E-mails to the President via the white house switchboard anymore due to many E-mails.
I wonder if that is GM
It is not possible to sent E-mails to the President via the white house switchboard anymore due to many E-mails.
I wonder if that is GM
It is not possible to sent E-mails to the President via the white house switchboard anymore due to many E-mails.
I wonder if that is GM
Hi, Kuba. I do believe that these SAAB mobilizations (convoys/campaigns etc) are noticed by the seniors of GM and maybe also might have a (very) light impact on the ongoing negotiations. I have been a car- and mc guy my whole life and I cannot remember that I have seen another brand with such a strong group of active and loyal followers such as we, the SAAB owners group. Before I bought my first SAAB in the nineties I thought I was a dedicated BMW guy (I even sat as board member in a local BMW club), but after I realized my dream about buying a SAAB I felt like entering the REAL enthusiasts group.
Maybe our campaigns are the reason for GM’s hesitations to do a deal with the true SAAB rescuers and heroes Koenigsegg, CJ/Merbanco, Spyker/Victor Muller, Genii and the rest of the guys trying to save our brand. Off course I am joking a little bit here now, but I really think our campaigns are noticed all the way in to GM’s boardroom.
I have also noticed, to my surprise, that many people around me driving other brands now very often drop by and express their good hopes for SAAB’s future existence. That is really a change, but it feels good
SAAB UP!
Cheers from Norway
-Olav-
Always on the longest road home when out there with my SAAB. Always!
More 9-5 Sportcombi spy shots.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-5-wagon-2011.html
The news is supposed to be broken on Monday, didn’t you get the memo?
I am participating in the Chicago rally this Sunday, driving about 2 hours to get there from Wiscionsin. Why? I think it’s that being a SAAB owner comes with a sense of COMMUNITY. I have long been a fan of the brand, but have not owned a SAAB until 2007. Within a few months I mentioned to my wife that one of the things I really liked about owning a SAAB, besides it being the best car I have ever owned, was the sense of community with other owners. As a member of a community, you feel compelled to take actions for the good of that community. That’s why I’ll be rpudly participating this Sunday in Chicago. Save SAAB! Griffin Up!
Who are you talking to ?
I think it’s a good sign having no news on friday. Bad news (that are supposed to lower stock prices) are usually announced on friday to soften consequences, and good news (that are supposed to boost stock prices) – on mondays, to gain more positive effect and set the highest stock price.
For example, SonyEricsson’s financial results, which should be very bad, are to be announced on friday
Martin, be sure I keep kicking my whatever…
I looked at all the pictures and watched all the videos and was impressed.
Whenever the victory rally comes I’ll be there. For sure!
This just in…
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJAAoAIR5hQE&pos=5
Mixed emotions when you see the tags on that page
Tags:GM, liquidation, manifestation, Opel, Saab
As a new member.
Really interesting to follow developments, like a roller coaster.
I am really disappointed with the way GM has handled this issue, what will happen to Saab?
Speculation based on hope and expectation from all parties involved, how will it end?
When will the resolution for us Saab lover?
Hope for a positive outcome ………..
For my own part, I bought a new 9-3X in October 2009, Jet Black Metallic, a wonderful car with unique driving characteristics.
Keep the spirit up, all SAAB lovers !!!!!!
// Olof
See you there. I wish this one had a bit more publicity though. Does the organizer have an email address?
there’s news out there on Business Week of a meeting in Stockholm today…
damn! my heart is pounding!!!
Very interesting, thanks for the link!
“…may be announced as early as next week…” Geez, I guess they’re nowhere near as close to a deal as we thought.
Hmm, if GM demand that Antonov exit Spyker, and if Genii are now only spectators on the sidelines, then why don’t Genii take Antonov’s place as Spyker shareholders? Seems a good solution for everybody (except maybe Antonov…).
Very interesting, thanks for the link!
“…may be announced as early as next week…” Geez, I guess they’re nowhere near as close to a deal as we thought.
Hmm, if GM demand that Antonov exit Spyker, and if Genii are now only spectators on the sidelines, then why don’t Genii take Antonov’s place as Spyker shareholders? Seems a good solution for everybody (except maybe Antonov…).
Very interesting, thanks for the link!
“…may be announced as early as next week…” Geez, I guess they’re nowhere near as close to a deal as we thought.
Hmm, if GM demand that Antonov exit Spyker, and if Genii are now only spectators on the sidelines, then why don’t Genii take Antonov’s place as Spyker shareholders? Seems a good solution for everybody (except maybe Antonov…).
Very interesting, thanks for the link!
“…may be announced as early as next week…” Geez, I guess they’re nowhere near as close to a deal as we thought.
Hmm, if GM demand that Antonov exit Spyker, and if Genii are now only spectators on the sidelines, then why don’t Genii take Antonov’s place as Spyker shareholders? Seems a good solution for everybody (except maybe Antonov…).
NEWS
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aJAAoAIR5hQE
From http://www.di.se (translated by translate.google.com)
“GM and Spyker close agreement
2010-01-22 21:48
General Motors and Spyker met on Friday in Stockholm to discuss the sale of Saab. The reports Bloomberg News.Enligt Bloomberg’s sources believe that GM Spykers bid of 500 million U.S. dollars including 375 million U.S. dollars in preferred shares in the new Saab is enough. Friday’s meeting will mainly be dealt with conditions on production plans.
While Bloomberg’s sources said that the deal is not yet in lock. The deal hinges on whether the Swedish government guarantee loans of 400 million euros from the European Investment Bank, according to the source.
GM also wants the Spykers Russian President Vladimir Antonov leaves the Dutch company.
Another stakeholder, Genii, has given up plans to buy Saab, according to Bloomberg News.”
From http://www.di.se (translated by translate.google.com)
“GM and Spyker close agreement
2010-01-22 21:48
General Motors and Spyker met on Friday in Stockholm to discuss the sale of Saab. The reports Bloomberg News.Enligt Bloomberg’s sources believe that GM Spykers bid of 500 million U.S. dollars including 375 million U.S. dollars in preferred shares in the new Saab is enough. Friday’s meeting will mainly be dealt with conditions on production plans.
While Bloomberg’s sources said that the deal is not yet in lock. The deal hinges on whether the Swedish government guarantee loans of 400 million euros from the European Investment Bank, according to the source.
GM also wants the Spykers Russian President Vladimir Antonov leaves the Dutch company.
Another stakeholder, Genii, has given up plans to buy Saab, according to Bloomberg News.”
From http://www.di.se (translated by translate.google.com)
“GM and Spyker close agreement
2010-01-22 21:48
General Motors and Spyker met on Friday in Stockholm to discuss the sale of Saab. The reports Bloomberg News.Enligt Bloomberg’s sources believe that GM Spykers bid of 500 million U.S. dollars including 375 million U.S. dollars in preferred shares in the new Saab is enough. Friday’s meeting will mainly be dealt with conditions on production plans.
While Bloomberg’s sources said that the deal is not yet in lock. The deal hinges on whether the Swedish government guarantee loans of 400 million euros from the European Investment Bank, according to the source.
GM also wants the Spykers Russian President Vladimir Antonov leaves the Dutch company.
Another stakeholder, Genii, has given up plans to buy Saab, according to Bloomberg News.”
From http://www.di.se (translated by translate.google.com)
“GM and Spyker close agreement
2010-01-22 21:48
General Motors and Spyker met on Friday in Stockholm to discuss the sale of Saab. The reports Bloomberg News.Enligt Bloomberg’s sources believe that GM Spykers bid of 500 million U.S. dollars including 375 million U.S. dollars in preferred shares in the new Saab is enough. Friday’s meeting will mainly be dealt with conditions on production plans.
While Bloomberg’s sources said that the deal is not yet in lock. The deal hinges on whether the Swedish government guarantee loans of 400 million euros from the European Investment Bank, according to the source.
GM also wants the Spykers Russian President Vladimir Antonov leaves the Dutch company.
Another stakeholder, Genii, has given up plans to buy Saab, according to Bloomberg News.”
I joined the Dutch convoy this weekend. It was great. The 2nd largest convoy next to Trollh
Wow, GM has deemed Spyker’s offer of $500M cash as “adequate”, sounds like a yes to me!
While I take this as very good news (especially amongst the silence the past few days), I will not assume anything…been there, done that, have the heartburn to prove it. A yes is a yes and a meeting in Sweden is progress. The paper should have dry ink on it before anybody celebrates. I am increasingly optimistic. Drive safely and KEEP ON SAABING!!!
“The deal hinges on whether the Swedish government guarantee loans of 400 million euros from the European Investment Bank, according to the source.”
Hmmm… the deal has ALWAYS hinged on that, so I don’t know if that’s rehashed old stuff or whether there is an open question of this guarantee.
I really hope this works this time.
Lets just hope the Swedish Government finally see sense and Mr Antonov has made enough with Spyker and goes to find another train set to play with.
Spyker UP!!
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-22/gm-spyker-said-to-meet-in-stockholm-as-saab-sale-accord-nears.html
Oh poo, I guess we are gonna have to wait until Monday.
I hope the Swedish government is backing that EIB loan as I can see that being the only thing that couold kill this deal.
Griffin Up!!!
I feel the same way…. Wait till the ink is dry on the final contract… then we can start celebrating! Right about now, the only news outlet I trust is SNN (Swade News Network)
Judging by the wording, it seems the deal rides heavily on the EIB guarantee. We all know how they’ve been dragging their feet on this forever.
Looking forward to your explanation Swade.
While it is not done yet, this does sound like positive steps forward.
Remain calm and carry on.
@Henk-Jan -
Well written.
I was about to attempt describing why I love Saab, but you seem to have already written the words for me. I’m drawn to Saab because the characteristics I would use in describing my Saab are very much like how I visualize and characterize myself.
I’m not into brand names, I don’t wear jewellery, but in saying to someone “That’s my Saab” I feel like they should be able learn something about me, simply by observing the car.
I, too, am Saab
Having read all the comments I don’t have anything to add. There are some great comments on here, and when Spyker gets the brand (I believe in positive thinking)they would do well to use some of these quotes in future advertising.
A great find and thank you @LANA.
@carl great find too -a brilliant little GM-Saab saga song “GM-visan”! Even though its appropriately in Swedish, it is still possible for non Swedish speakers to get a gist of it.
Take a listen if you haven’t already done so!
http://www.sr.se/webbradio/webbradio.asp?type=db&Id=2155659&BroadcastDate=&IsBlock=
Do you think the negotiations would have come to this stage when they thought the EIB guarantee wouldn’t be possible? I don’t think so. But maybe I’m just too positive.
“An agreement, which may be announced as early as next week, hinges on the Swedish government agreeing to guarantee a 400 million-euro ($566 million) loan from the European Investment Bank for the Swedish carmaker”
At least there will now be immense pressure on the Swedish goevernment to guarantee this loan. If they fail to do so, they will be seen as the destroyers. Now, if they have read up a bit on the Chinese way of doing things by now and what fate probably awaits Volvo, perhaps they aren’t quite as fast to dismiss the Spyker deal.
It’s not much money anyway, compared to what the Swedish government habitually throw away on various pie-in-the-sky projects.
I don’t want to pi## on anyones chips here, but this does not sound like GM is realy selling Saab, its more like Spyker is taking on a piece of it and that Saab will still be completely tied to GM?
$100 million of Saab’s current liquidity…
Is that how they phrased it? To me, that means that Saab has their own bank account somewhere with some money in it, and GM gets some of it.
BTW, is Mr. H
I think we’re overlooking one key element here – GM apparently want Vladimir Antonov, the largest shareholder in Spyker to exit the company!! Can’t see that happening anf therefore, if that report is true, I don’t see the deal going ahead – GM may have got themselves an easy get out, again.
Perhaps the money that BAIC paid for the old tech.
To be honest:
I’ll prefer a couple of years tied to GM than no SAAB at all.
And at the end of the day SAAB will be tied to GM as long as they are selling the NG9-5, the 9-4X and the 3rd gen 9-3(still to come).
When reading the newsitem I see two important conditions for a deal between GM and Spyker:
1. The Russian banker Antonov has to withdraw from Spyker
2. The Swedish government has to guarantee the EIB loan
I hope that both conditions can be fulfilled in time.
I don’t really expect the EIB money to be a serious problem at this stage. Remember, CJ was very upbeat about it after J
I don’t really expect the EIB money to be a serious problem at this stage. Remember, CJ was very upbeat about it after J
I don’t really expect the EIB money to be a serious problem at this stage. Remember, CJ was very upbeat about it after J
Yes, and after H
Maybe some bucks are left from the BAIC deal…
Yep, he is back from asia…
Looked at the comments on di.se, although I shouldn,t because these are often just full of stupidity, which just make me depressed. And of course there they were, those howling “not with my tax money” etc. Hope the swedish government finally take their responsibilty about the loan so SAAB can be saved.
Antonov leaving the company was (according to newspapers) one of the reasons the deal was abandoned on December 18th. Next to having about 20% of Spykers stock he’s also chairman of the supervisory board. Selling the stock might be difficult (?) but he can step down from the supervisory board whenever he wants to.
Sorrel – the fact that Antonovs’ need to exit has been known for quite some time now. Spyker must have that covered in their revised bid. That was the main discussion point after Spyker were rejected the first time, remember, with speculations about Dutch billionaires entering instead etc.
So – I expect that this point has been dealt with – otherwise there would have been no point to get this far with negotiations.
But, If this was the case on the 18th of December, and now a month later they are still talking to each other, something has already happened in that matter, hasn’t it?
So it seems like the deal is ready to be signed but now the actual “don’t just show me the money, give me the money…” part begins.
Time to put up or shut up.
That was my thought exactly! It’s going to be a long weekend….
From wiki:
“Preferred stock usually carries no voting rights,[2] but may carry priority over common stock in the payment of dividends and upon liquidation. Preferred stock may carry a dividend that is paid out prior to any dividends being paid to common stock holders.”
So if a liquidation takes place later, GM will get most of the money. Supposedly there is also a interest-like dividend each year.
And if SAAB can thrive under a new owner, there is a potential gain for GM, as far as I can figure it out.
So Antonov is still there!
It seems strange that this deal hinges on this one man. I wonder what’s wrong with him?
Free Saab!
i am sure that both these conditions have been fulfilled, otherwise, the negotiations would not have been proceeded so far.
Spyker was aware of the Antonov issue since 18th of December and the swedish govt.was in detroit 2 weeks ago
time has passed since then and since discussions are going on one can assume that the burden on these 2 issues is over
I believe they have been described as preferred shares. This is not same as common shares. I’m not really that knowledgeable but pretty sure there is generally no voting rights (no corporate control) and holders of preferred stock come before holders of common stock for dividends and possibly during a liquidation.
Think of it more as a financing instrument that is more like a loan or bond than regular stock. It is different than those but more closely reflects situation than that surrounding common shares which come with voting rights and greatest risk.
I hope you’re right. In the Russian press there’s no news about Antonov leaving…yet..
Indeed, some other brand addicted people show their support to Saab. I noticed that Alfisti and Volvo fans are with us (know a few of them). And they are the ones well informed on what is really happening. Other people just think Saab is already closed down.
Obviously, the Antonov issue isn’t entirely cleared up yet. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have been mentioned by Bloomberg’s sources.
Obviously, the Antonov issue isn’t entirely cleared up yet. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have been mentioned by Bloomberg’s sources.
Obviously, the Antonov issue isn’t entirely cleared up yet. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have been mentioned by Bloomberg’s sources.
Do you remember the short message a few days ago about Spyker issueing about 200.000 news stocks? The stocks were bought by an American investor. Although this is just worth about 0,5 million Euros it might be a sign.
“Provided, of course, that the govt doesn’t like Spyker less than Merbanco…”
Perhaps Maud Olofsson, Minister for Enterprise, thinks Spyker makes too large and expensive cars that people don’t want to buy?
I guess the mysterious “SAAB” guy from yesterday with the “inside info” was full of it.
He’s Russian and has a dodgy past…
GM are not happy dealing with Russians, remember Opel, Magan and Sberbank…
Remember that with Spykers second bid Antonov was said to be out as a backer of the Spyker bid because GM didn’t like his involvement. Since Victor re-entered the process within days I’m quite sure he has taken care of that issue. In fact I could imagine that he always had some plan b.
Keep calm and carry on!
maybe they are repeating “old news”…but still, if antonov is still in, after 5 weeks they are still negotiating, meaning that it was not such a big issue…but I think VM has changed the ownerhip structure of spyker
yes, I think so too.
too much coincidence is not coincidence (when there is smoke, there is fire)
I don’t understand people that dont care that GM wants to close SAAB and send over 8,000 people into unemployement line, but this nice journalist just got my blood boiling.
http://thestar.blogs.com/crank/2010/01/canadian-saab-picnic-wont-save-doomed-brand.html
I will be there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about this:
a 3rd party investor (for instance Genii) takes over Antonovs shares in Spyker, Antonov steps back from his commissary post, and in exchange for this Antonov gets shares back in the 3rd party investor.
I don’t know Antonov’s personality, but from a business point of view I could see this happening.
I’m not so sure VM can get rid of Antonov that easily, but of course he can always step down “officialy” for the sake of the deal (and step right back again later…) :0
Antonov will leave if he gains money by doing so or some other no-voting stock in return.
What comes to future products, of course GM wants that Saab uses their platforms, not Fiat or any other. Reality might very well be that it takes many years before Saab can totally dictate these matters.
Saab already last year talked how they will change some parts to cheaper ones and I hope those plans are not in jeopardy.
I Wonder when next GM board meeting is?
From Syker’s website:
http://www.spykercars.nl/download/investor/Members_Supervisory_Board_090424.pdf
http://www.spykercars.nl/download/investor/Members_Management_Board171209.pdf
Seems that Antonov is on the “supervisory board” now..
I attended the Brookline, Mass. gathering last Sunday because I wanted to feel like I’ve done everything in my humble power to show to those who make important decisions, that people do care and will hold them accountable for their choices. I’ve had the wonderful fortune to know and work with some of the kind folks in the big offices at Saab USA, and I did this for their jobs, livelihoods and families, because many of them feel that they can’t be too vocal under this microscope. And I did it so that there will continue to be a car company that follows common sense and sound engineering practices instead of fashion trends and market share.
Whatever this outcome, how will it next be when Sweden’s other carmaker is transferred to Chinese ownership? Will we see a replay of the MG-Rover debacle, when a hallowed European brand is tarnished and allowed to wither? Will we be rallying to Save Volvo?
Yes, I was thinking of that too. Related or not, I am sure that if Victor Muller has come this far and spent this much time, effort, and money, he has the ability to close up these last few issues.
Why would he resign as chairman of the supervisory board when the purchase of SAAB still might fail? He wouldn’t. If GM really wants Antonov to leave Spyker it will be part of the deal and it will be announced on the same day the deal is made public.
When K-segg bid for Saab, it was K-Group, not the manufacturer who would have been the new owner. Might be similar here. Or
the Antonov thing isn’t really such a big issue and it’s just a recycled part of the article.
They would not have reached that point otherwise.
Keep calm and carry on!
We expected that GM was afraid of Russian connection in December. I believe VM has managed to fix some other financing for the deal by now.
I think every one here should buy Miss Olofsson a mortar. With a small message:
Thank You for the help on the SAAB case.
I work in the Saab network in GB and I have heard today that an “announcement” is quite likely on Monday!….Lets hope it is what we are all hoping for.
As regards the requirement of Antonov’s exit – what does ‘exit’ mean here: only resigning as chairman or also disposing of its shares? Seems complicated to me to require that a single person may not be a shareholder of listed company (how can Spyker guarantee this). Good news is that following the issuing of new Spyker shares to GM (as part of the purchase price) Antonov’s interest is diluted substantially.
Saab up! Antonov exit!
Saabhistory.com is reporting that they have direct confirmation from Victor Muller that he is in Stockholm as reported in the Bloomberg article. No confirmation of any other details, though.
Agree. I was thinking the same thing. Why jump through hoops before the deal is done; do it as part of the deal. I would think we don’t have much of a clue as to what the real negotiations are all about. Why would they divulge everything? I just see this as a very good sign that things are actually moving in the right direction. Saab with dwindling ties to GM is much better than no Saab at all.
Griffin up!
Wow – some very well-phrased thoughts here in this thread!
I’ll be convoying to Chicago from Madison, Wisconsin on Sunday to support the cars I love and the people who build, service, and sell them.
As soon as I saw that there was a convoy I could get to, the only decision I had to make was which of our 2 Saabs to take.
And I’ll have my fingers crossed all weekend hoping for this deal to go through!
I thought this was the only confirmed information of the article anyhow.
200 000 stocks is nothing if Spyker cars issued 15 million stocks altogether. (check financial report their website)
I drove about 900 km for the german convoy, on snowy and rainy roads, made new friends and when I was back home I have know better as the 27 year before why I drive a Saab.
There was none of the 3 anniversaries in Trollh
This is news?
Am sorry but that source has been proven wrong quite a few times.
Back on topic.
I drove, participated, met old friends, made new friends and was part of a statement. I left with a buzzing head, wondering which make of car would cause a simular happening. The Dutch guys did something magical, which in a way got slightly hijacked with that save saab stuff.
Saab Support Convoy to me was the mother of all convoys.I am quite bemused about others trying to rope it in. Hat off to the Dutch, never ever seen anything like it. (Now how can I dry my shoes
Those of you joining the Chicago convoy, please add your name to the Facebook page (I didn’t set it up, but it’s a good idea).
Kuba, it’s just 0,5 million Euros but it *might* be a sign. I didn’t say it’s a sign
Paul-
You just need to bring a wingman to drive the second Saab and bring both… I’d offer, but it’s a bit of a drive for me.
Mike,
Melbourne, Australia
Or the mysterious US financier is already buying Antonov’s shares quietly???
All: Seems the issues remain the exact same. The EIB loan is a must to execute the plan. The Sweden Guarantee of the EIB loan is an absolute must and it must be in hand. I don’t know anything here but my “spider sense” says the Antonov connection must be severed – at the insistance of the biggest player on the stage.
The agreements were done weeks ago (recall VM was ready to sign them) so that can’t be a problem.
I remain cautiously optimistic.
Cowboy UP, and sell Saab!
Mark, are you the Mark I spoke with last Sunday with the lovely Black Saab and the best Saab sweatshirt? If so, hej, it was great talking with you. I have a few photos on flickr, some of your car. I wish we had come earlier, when more cars were there. I am really proud to have attended to support my beloved Saab that’s been part of my life for 40 years. Betsey
CJ, by any chance. Have you bought any shares in Europe recently? (-:
I know you won’t say anything,
but Mr. H
Though I’ve got many thoughts in my head right now I recalled Swade asking us to stay away from too wild speculation… I’m guilty so I think I’m off for bed now dreaming about a independent Saab.
Keep calm and carry on!
It seems we here in Spain at least can go to bed now with the relieving feeling of having Saab saved for many years I hope. And I will be able to order soon my desired 93 SC biopower.
Hartelijk dank Victor en het allerbeste gewenst met Saab!
“We’ll…I’m not going to be ignored” (Glenn Close in “Fatal Attraction”).I’m calling you out “Mr. Saab”. Or, on a different tack….Lucy…start ‘splaining.
I could not find the page on facebook…do you know what it is named?
I read this guy’s blog and responded, but now I regret it. I’m certain that he writes stuff like this to attract visitors and comments so as to justify his existence.
I suggest no one respond, or even go to the link.
No, but his telephone contact info. is over on Swade’s sister site. Click on the “Save SAAB” on the top left of SAABS United.
See you there.
Griffin Up!
I am also traveling in from Madison. See you there.
Chris
Last weekend was a special adventure for all Saab Enthusiast world wide.
From Denmark we tryed to convince GM to let the Saab Icon get its feedom back as an individual producer of a NOT MASS PROCUCT.
Saab is the car many of us have used through 3. generations – as the only safe family car – right from the two stroke 96 in the 60th to the 9.5 today.
A Saab is maybe not the perfect car but the car in which we are able to identify our selv as individuel drivers.
As an engineer I like to look at constructions details from the very first Saab 92, realising the thoughts and ideas from those past Saab engineers – I belive to be discovered by working with the restoring of the 92-93-95-96-97-99…..
We might be a litle naive – we the Saab Enthusiasts – when we call out friendly – but very convinced to:
GM – Yes You Can – SAVE SAAB
Thats why I joined the Saab Convoy last Sunday.
What is it that brings us all out in droves, to basically kick tyres in the wet, gloat over every model ever sold in the Netherlands and share in this feeling of warmth?
Perhaps the fact that you have too much time on your hands, and are now petulant because somebody might be taking your toy away? Come on, guys. It was an opportunity for a fun party and you took it. A flash crowd event, only on wheels. All this self-congratulating and self-aggrandisement after the fact is a little nauseating.
You wanted to help Saab and send a message to big bad GM that it was worth saving and/or selling? Maybe you should have bought the cars languishing at the dealerships when you had a chance.
I organized the Atlanta convoy with the help of several people. When saw convoys are being organized in several locations to SAVE SAAB, I felt I had to do this. I think we feel a deep connection with the SAABs we own. I have never observed this with any other brand. I think it is because of the brilliant design which you experience overtime as you use a SAAB. It grows on you. THe Turbo experience is highly addictive. As a result you make a personal connection and develop a deep appreciation. It becomes an object that needs to be protected.
Yes, that’s right. Here where I live I have received a somewhat massive SAAB support from Alfa-, BMW and VAG owners. I’m not that surprised about the Alfa owners, but BMW and VAG owners weren’t the first one I’d thought might express themselves in a positive manner regarding our beloved SAAB.
A collegue of mine, also a real car guy, was together with his wife on their way to office last week. Then he came to a small side road where a SAAB waited for the traffic to let him join the queue (heavy rush hour this). My collegue slowed down his brand new BMW (he also has a Lotus Elise) letting the waiting SAAB enter the queue and then he said to his wife: “We must be kind to SAABs. They are in danger for loosing their mother”.
But it’s good and exactly how it should be actually :/)
Have a nice weekend, all
Cheers from Norway
-Olav-
Always on the longest road home when out there with my SAAB. Always!
Quoting myself: “But it’s good and exactly how it should be actually :/)”
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Just to make my self clearer: Off course I mean the sympathy, not that SAAB should loose her mother.
I guess it’s too early in the morning for me :/) :/) :/)
The reasons I participated in the Dutch convoy, leading the Apeldoorn subconvoy to Soesterberg are: 1) I am still truely, madly & deeply in love with the Saab brand. I am so proud to own a Saab.
2) I got caught by the objective of the tour: sending out a sign of positivity towards the Saab community, Saab employees all over the world and everyone else with interest for the marque. I will not ever let a Saaby down! I’ll make any effort to help out in case of a problem with the car.
3) I felt this was an excellent opportunity to show what Saabs and Saabowners stand for: inner freedom, responsible, safe…
We never gave the impression we could save Saab, by forming a support convoy. But we have always been aware that some press could pick up the event as a news item. And I have always hoped that some of that media attention would make it to the negotiation table, making clear that we all love Saab. No matter what!
I joined two convoys both in Slovakia and Austria too. It has been very nice weekend. It’s so, I love Saab because it isn’t a car and a brand only. It’s feeling too. So we have support all convoys over the world. It’s great & nice to see the massive support to our lovely brand. We moved the mosaic of stones to be rolling. I believe thee GM and world could see that to get right decission. At least we moved the Swedish Government to act. GM has one thing to do only: to SELL SAAB.
Go Griffin Go SAAB Go.
Unfortunately I could not manage to join the UK convoy, but as a small gesture of solidarity I drove to my nearest SAAB dealership, displayed the appropriate posters and took some photos for posterity.
I just felt that I should to take part in some small way to support the company and it’s workforce.
I took my part in Prague convoy. There was no doubt for me that I should go and join one. In fact, it was a very natural thing to do. For me owing a SAAB is not pure posession of another transportation appliance, but it is statement and commitment to values.
The weather was nasty on the 17-th, cold and heavy snowing, but I think that nobody cared too much about it. Because we all had a real good reason to be there. SAAB is my friend. It is quite normal to stand by your friend’s during hard times. So we did it.
Griffin UP!
Hi Betsey! Yes, it was me, and speaking with you was the highlight of my trip, it was a real pleasure. I’d love to see your photos, please feel free to email me at mjmc74 at hotmail. Thanks!
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