I received some mail about this and I’ve been holding off asking it because it seems a little bit macabre. PT alluded to it in comments on the Audi A5 Sportback post earlier, so I figured “why not?”
It is one of those interesting questions and once you get past the awkwardness of it all, I’m sure it’ll provide for some interesting answers.
The Saab deal looks incredibly promising and I’m really looking forward to seeing Saab under Spyker’s ownership and Victor Muller’s influence. I think the future is extremely bright.
However, picture life in an alternate universe where Saab is now being wound down and you’re being forced to re-think your vehicle purchase choices. It’s time to ‘fess up and spill the beans.
What would you be looking to buy if Saab were being closed down?
Are you holding out for the 9-1 and would therefore start looking at Minis, or the Audi A1?
Would you save some money and change tack completely, looking at the Hyundai Genesis Coupe?
Or would you just keep buying old Saabs until there were none left?
I think it’s a fairly open secret around here that Alfa Romeo occupies a pretty large space in my heart so I’d probably be looking to Italy for my future vehicle needs (and may still pick one up in the near term to accompany the Saab fleet).
I’ve also had a big soft spot for Jaguar ever since my Dad bought me a book on them around 25 years ago, so maybe one of those would occupy my future years as well.
The only other marque I’ve got on my must-own list at some stage is Porsche, but that one’s looking less and less likely as I can’t justify plowing $30K into a 30 year old car – plus maintenance.
So, if worse came to worst, where would you be looking?
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For sure I would have used a Saab (old one or one of the last ones produced) for the next 5-6 years at least. And if I came to the decision that I need a new car I will then (2015 – if the world is still here) look around and see which one is the best choice considering the Saab values I follow – security, turbo power, quirky-ness, etc. Who knows what the market will offer by then, probably something with some electricity inside…
Hi Swade,
I’d definitely go for Alfa Romeo me to. I am a hidden Alfista and I have been near to buy one three times. And when everything is quiet at home I play the “Squadra Corse Alfa Romeo” game on my daughters PS2 console. Lot’s of Saab pic’s in my computer but also some nice Alfa pictures. Still happy been happy Saabin’ since 1987 and might have gone for another used Saab 9-3 X.
I would keep butying older/newer/different Saabs.
But…If you mean what woyuld I buy other than a Saab branded vehicle, then my answer is simple and has been long considered.
Volvo C30 -
BBTH !!!!
I can’t afford the other cars I like, so I think I would buy an i-Miev as the daily comuter, and maybe an Astra Caravan (if the price is competitive) as family car.
And I would search for a nice 2001-2003 9-3 Aero Cab., which I would paint in Monte yellow, for the summer.
Subaru
My plan for a few years ahead does not include a new Saab, but a second hand 9-5 or 9-3 aero break (3-5 years old at purchase time).
) on petrol.
Option if money would be available: 9-3x(with XWD, so petrol) or if not available, A4 allroad (A6 would be two expensive to maintain
I’m trying to make a short list right now:
- min 65l fueltank, storerom as big as 93-1, more Space in the back as a 93-1, enough Place for a 4 Head Family, Euro 5, Green Sticker for germany, energy efficiency b better a -
Audi, VW, Skoda, Seat out of scope because of Engine problems 4 cyl TDI
current Saabs out of scope because of small storeroom (i’m a 93-1 driver)
Subaru Legacy Diesel boxer
Peugeot 807/ Citroen C8 Hdi *
Ford S-Max Tdci *
all New 95 2.0d, may be a bit pricy, only as a wagon
* Bad results in 100.000 km distance Test at AMS/ Autobild, FAP fuel issues
Although it has quite a few compromises (C30), I’d have to agree with you.
I would keep my 2003 Saab 93 sport sedan on the road as long as it is possible, nothing else is interesting.
I can’t think of anything out there in the current market that I actually like at pretty much any price. I’d go with something 10+ years old … Jaguar.
I’d buy the newest possible Saab, keep it for as long as I could and then keep it even longer. After that I’d buy a Porsche or maybe a Fisker or Tesla S or whatever is around at the time.
I’d be driving my current fleet of Saabs into the ground and purchasing a Porsche, likely a 911 turbo.
I would (maybe I already have…) consider to downsize from 9-3SS to:
Abarth 500 Esseesse
Alfa Romeo Mito MultiAir
Or I would be upsizing (considering that a trip back home to good old Norway (Lapland) is about 3000 km one way):
Alfa Romeo 159 SW (not really upsize, but hey it’s an Alfa)
Citr
Hum…. for a SUV type thing… Chevy Traverse.
For a bit of a performance wagon.. Audi
utility wagon. Subaru
daily driver car….Chevy or Buick…
All of that only after my existing Saab was so well used, so old, so patched and repaired that it looked like “Christine” during the scene where Arnie finds it destroyed by at Darnells Garage by those hoodlums.
and even then I’d tow it into my garage and say….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98L5imvTh4
Hum…. for a SUV type thing… Chevy Traverse.
For a bit of a performance wagon.. Audi
utility wagon. Subaru
daily driver car….Chevy or Buick…
All of that only after my existing Saab was so well used, so old, so patched and repaired that it looked like “Christine” during the scene where Arnie finds it destroyed by at Darnells Garage by those hoodlums.
and even then I’d tow it into my garage and say….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98L5imvTh4
The 9-3 has quite some life left in it, but when it was due for replacement, I would probably turn into a dull shade of grey and buy something from the Volkswagen family.
I currently enjoy collecting and restoring Saabs. As long as the resources are/were available, I would continue to drive an old Saab.
First another 9-3SS after that I reallt dont know. The C30 maybe A3.
Spot-on relevant question Swade. Helps to spot the attitudal difference between majority of Saab customers and SU followers as well.
Based on facts; main alternative buy for a Saab customers is a premium segment vehicle-Quite consistent all around the globe. To mention brands respectively; Audi,Volvo,BMW,VW .. so on
A TDI diesel from the Volkswagen/ Audi family.
But I look forward to the new SAAB SUV. From what I am reading it will be very high quality.
I’d just like to take a second here, and apologise to everyone for my shocking typing errors in the previous comment….lol
I have to pick a car that has enough room for my 2 metres of body
Alternatives are:
Volvo XC 60 (XC 90 is actually smaller in the front seat)
Subaru Outback
Skoda Superb station wagon (haven’t tried it, but it GOT to be big enough…)
But I would (will) be driving used Saabs for the next 5 years at least!
landrover with a diesel engine, probably a discovery! [it it were just for me would have a 'pop rivet' landrover 110 td5, lots of tuning options too]
First keep my Saabs on the road as long as possible. And then most likely Subaru.
I also liked the C30 until I sat in one, that left me a bit dissapointed according to interior space for a tall person like me.
Last November I decided that the new 9-5 and a usable dealer was too much of a long shot to plan on. The Audi Sportback had not arrived, and having seen it, I don’t regret putting in an order for a 2 ltr. A4 Quattro S-Tronic sedan, as the extra money has little to show for it in the Sportback. The A4 has good access to the spacious boot, with split folding seats that fold along with the seat belts.
I told the Audi dealer that he was my second choice, and how the Audi doesn’t make me love it like the 9000 does. The 9000 just delights me with it’s spacious interior and cockpit layout. Damn I miss it.
I pointed to my pristine 900 and said I had no intention of getting rid of it, and it would now be kept “for best”
I take delivery at the end of April, and will wait to see the new 9-5 when it comes out. Who knows, if there is a dealer I can use, and the car appeals like a 9000, I may just trade the Audi in.
An Audi (will I be banned now?) or a Jaguar. Did try out the S-type once but it felt all wrong, just really..wrong and unnatural. Don’t like the every-twerp Bimmers. And I would always have a Saab in the garage…pref the 08 9-3 convertible in lynx yellow for weekends.
Gosh if there was no more Saab??….id still buy Swedish..it would be one of them Volvo C70′s the older shape ones. a Bit more classy looking than the newer variant car.
Simple… it all comes down to safety for me, so it would have to be a Volvo.
If Saab was no longer. I would of already snatched up a used a TurboX that I continue to watch.
If I didn’t do that…I’ll be looking to be Winter/Spring 2011. Most likely I’d be looking at MB latest C class. MB is my second love behind Saab. My family has never not had a MB since the 60′s. My first car was a MB and I loved it.
Luckily Saab is alive and I can’t wait to buy another.
Without a new Saab to choose from, we would probably just keep our present cars, 1999 Viggen and a 2008 9-5 SC. They really provide us with everything that we would want in a vehicle for comfort, style, utility, etc.
I’m another of those idiots who would hold on to the good old 9000 FPT as long as possible. If worst came to the worst, I may buy one or two 9000′s extra for cannibalizing to keep the old girl running and probably get a 9-5 SW FPT or Aero for daily use, as we prefer either a spacious hatch or a station wagon.
If Saabs should become unavailable or impractical to run due to lack of tech support, I would be probably looking at cars such as a Volvo V70, an E-class Merc station, a 5-series SW or GT BMW, an Alfa 156/159 SW, a Lancia Kappa SW (really love that one but the wife doesn’t..), a Skoda Superb SW (the sensible choice) or, on a crazy day, perhaps a BMW X5 or a Grand Cherokee. If luggage space were no longer an issue then sedans like a Jag S-type or a Citroen C6 could enter the picture as well.
I used to go for rare sporty classic beauties but these days I prefer somewhat more modern and reliable transportation. While performance, roadholding and style are still important, stuff like seating comfort on long trips and fuel economy also enters pre-buy considerations when you are a bit over 40. Or 50.
Ivo
I’d buy a 2007 Porsche Boxter S or high performance U.S Ford Taurus
i also own a volvo s60, …and ican tell you that saab is much better. I hate Audi/VW, and BMW speeks nothing to me.
I drove all the cars , even Bentley( i don’t have money for one), and I can tell you that most comfortable car was Lexus…even so i prefer Mercedes.
It will be this (as I have the 119 series of Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1985 2.0 Exec in bottle green with the wood steering boss: 2010 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1750TBi – 235HP Quadrifoglio Verde.
And to continue my pilotage with Saab, I will settle for the MY02 facelifted 9-5 Aero.
I agree with Mike… It would be a Volvo C-70.
Safety, reliability and style. JUST LIKE MY SAAB.
Hmmm, complicated, just can’t imagine this case…
I would probably buy one of the last Saabs produced, preferably a 9-3x or another 9-3 with XWD, and then keep the car running as long as possible. I now have a 1990 900i 16, which is still running very well. So a 2010 9-3x could be a solution until 2030 at least. In face of the situation – no new Saabs – I would probably give the car even more service and keep it as long as possible on a “as new” level.
If there were no Saabs left, and no Victor Muller had given the brand a second life, and the other brands were on the market as they are now, I would have to decide whether to buy a Subaru, a Volvo, or an Italian product like Alfa or Lancia. In any case, I would never buy a BMW or a Mercedes. An Audi? No, probably not, don’t like the cold and aggressive image at all.
Alfa Giulietta (former “149″).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Giulietta_(2010)
Too bad te Fiat boss has been back talking Saab the way he is…
There are not many suggesting to buy a real GM brand here right now? :Confused:
And i haven’t heard the name of OPEL (for me out of scope, because mother is GM).
Volvo could be a nice on, but situation with Geely set it out of scope
Without any new SAABs available I would most likely have kept med highly beloved 9-5, got myself a 96, 99 or/and a OG900Aero and then I most likely would have gone for a brand new, RED Alfa Romeo despite all the problems a collegue of mine has with his 2007 Alfa 159 wagon.
Audi A5 Sportback is also an alternative…..
But GOD forbid. SAAB shall live!
Cheers from Norway
-Olav-
Always on the longest road home when out there with my SAAB. Always!
Hi Steven.
Having a Dejavue or what??
Today i decide to extend the leasing of my 2006 9-3SC HP. So I’ll have the time waiting for the all New 9-5 SC. NO OTHER CAR.NEVER.
Cheers Mark
No Saab… I seem to agree with Swade again… it would have to be a Porsche 911. Or maybe an Aston V8.
despite what some may call “dated chassis”, I’d go for a Mercedes-Benz CLC… and the new Lancia Delta would be the runner-up.
Me, I would keep on buying second hand 9-5s. But in answer to your question, I would turn to Mercedes with this one.
I’ve got two Saabs that I’d limp along as reasonably possible. Then, Acura (after I dremeled off the “keen edge” on the front) or Subaru. My local Audi dealer and Audi of America can still go take a flying leap at a rolling donut.
If Volvo were guaranteed a long successful future and their products remained comparable to their current offerings, I would probably venture into their showroom first. I would cross-shop Infiniti and Nissan, as well. This is awkward…
Drive safely and KEEP ON SAABING!!!
GM CONSIDERING ADDING 3RD SHIFT
TO MEET INCREASING DEMAND
Article in Detroit News, also to be found in DI Sweden
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100210/AUTO01/2100348/1148/auto01/GM-considers-adding-shifts-to-meet-increasing-demand
http://di.se/Avdelningar/Artikel.aspx?ArticleID=2010\02\10\370255§ionid=Ettan
I’d probably wait another 2 years, and depending on what the cars look like :
Citroen DS4 ( the only hatch I’m anticipating )
or
Peugeot 508
or
Alfa 159 replacement
Ditto to what Mike900 said. I’m old enough that there will be enough older SAABs around for me, but a C30 would make do.
If Volvo where still around that would be first choice, when replacing my 9-5 Estate.
I’m a big Mazda fan, so if they had an Estate with petrol turbo’s..
If there would be no SAAB, then only two choices – Volvo or Mercedes-Benz. I love all current Volvo models, especially XC90, S60 AWD, S80. I don’t like current Mercedes-Benz model line-up, but old ones (1990 E class or 124) is very beutiful.
Maintain and convert to bio-fuel my current Saab and continue to use it on a daily basis.
If forced to choose new I would probably also consider the new Skoda Superb Estate (1.4 petrol turbo with a suitable engine ECU upgrade from one of the Swedish tuners).
@Arnold you may wish to trade the Audi in for a 9000-esque Audi A7 Sportback -also due shortly!
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/audi-a7-to-match-a8s-quality/246136/pictures/audi-a7-to-match-a8s-quality.aspx?im=313439
Well, I suppose I’d keep buying old 900′s, as that’s all I really want. But if the supply of old 900′s dried up, it’d probably be a new WRX hatchback, or a Volvo C30, or a MazdaSpeed3 (Mazda 3 MPS to the rest of the world.) In that order. Basically turbo + hatchback = James.
Well, of course I gave this some thought before. I have a 9-3 SE 1.8 i on a four year lease, ending in jan. 2011.
I would have these demands / wishes:
- large enough for a 4 person family
- preferably a smaller (turbo) engine, which is much cheaper in Holland, both in purchase price as in taxes (shame Saab doesn’t offer one !) I know this goes contrary to what most people here advocate (because the call for V6, superturbocharged 200+ or 300+ bhp engines is rather deafening), but my purse is only as big as it is;
- no French car
If I can’t get a Saab anymore, it’s hard to get a (for me) distinctive car. I would consider:
- Alfa 159 wagon (though its interior is noticeably smaller than the Saab), because I like its design and it’s a brand with passion (a little bit like Saab in that respect)
- Skoda Superb combi, because of its size and good value for money
- VW Passat Variant
BTW since the new 9-3 will be here in 2012, asked if I could change the contract of my current car to 2012, but they’ll go only as far as mid 2011
Paul
A Volvo would could never be my choice. The larger ones are so extremely boring to drive and the smaller ones are… Well I could just aswell drive a German Ford.
The only other marque that I would consider to replace any SAAB with if dissaster would strike is Honda. So an Accord I
Subaru, Alfa.
I’d go for a slightly used 2011 Volvo S60, with the straight six.
Amazingly, for the first time in my memory as an auto nut, there is nothing out there I’m in love with right now. I loved my Contour SVT, loved my BMW’s, but despite a fleet of probably the best cars for sale in history, I’m really not *moved* by the current crop of available models.
For me, probably the following:
- Saab Lives or Dies – Used: Saab Viggen or Turbo-X
- Saab Dies – New: Probably Volvo S60 or X60
- Saab Lives!: Prob next gen 9-3, although I want to drive the 9-4X first… Possibly that…
For my wife:
- Saab Dies – Used: Volvo V50 AWD, Suzuki SX4, or Jaguar X-Type (no, really… A neighbor has one and she absolutely LOVES it…)
- Saab Dies – New: Suzuki SX4 or possibly the upcoming Ford Focus, which looks great
- Saab Lives!: Well, quite still possibly the above… She likes small cars, and even the current 9-3 feels too big for her…
I kind of had the same issue. My lease on a 9-3 Combi ended last week, and they wouldn’t extend. My choices were to buy a left over 2009 9-3 or an Audi A-4 Avant. Needless to say, I went with the 2009 9-3. My leasing company wanted $25,500 if I wanted to keep my Saab with 53,000 miles. My dealer had a demo 2009 Combi Comfort with everything but NAV with 5,000 miles that would be sold with as a new car discounted from $39,000 to $26,000. Easy decision.
We used to say: In a Volvo you can survive hitting a tree – in a Saab you can drive around the obstacle!
I’d be looking at an Alfa 159, but it needs a better engine, so final result would probably be a NG BMW 1-series with one of the fun engines. And it HAS to be the NG = the one that doesn’t look like a fat man sat in it.
I think if I was unable to replace my 93 Cabrio with another Saab (maybe NG 93 convertible…) then I would push the boat out a bit and go for a BMW 630d Cabrio. A lot more money, but it’s the only other one I like!
“So, if worse came to worst, where would you be looking?”
First priority is the car HAS to have a manual transmission. Color HAS to be black…and FWD at a minimum, with AWD a strong second.
This past December, I was afraid that worse WAS coming to worst after the K-egg deal fell through, so I ordered an Audi A5 Sport, after returning my ’08 9-5 SC Aero off lease. Unfortunately, the A5 Sportback isn’t available in the US, or else I would have ordered that. Apparently, Audi feel that Americans won’t buy hatchbacks…but will buy estates (wagons). I considered an A4 Avant, but they aren’t available with a manual transmission in the US. In fact, few Audis are available with a manual transmission in the US. I lease my cars these days, so looking for a CPO S4 Avant was not an option.
BMW was out of the question. Way too over priced for what I wanted, and besides where I live, BMWs are everywhere. However, there are very few A5s on the road, and that is the way I like it. Actually, only seen one in the past two years.
Priced a BMW 535 estate in
Back in December I did a little poll type question on Saab Central asking only what BRAND you would look to if Saab should go under. 40 people replied. I’m in the Audi group.
This might sound strange to some but I would buy a Jeep. The vehicle my wife drives is a Jeep Commander and she had a Jeep Liberty in the past. Great vehicles for their purpose. I would probably just buy a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited since I do a good bit of off road mountain driving.
http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/9298089+w750+st0/129_0707_01_z+2007_jeep_wrangler_rubicon_unlimited+passenger_side_view.jpg
Spyker
Jaguar…the only individual brand that is comfortable for big guys like me. I love the looks of Alfas, but they are built for short Italians (and the driving position is terrible).
This is my very first comment, even if I’ve been a follower since the days of Trollh
This is my very first comment, even if I’ve been a follower since the days of Trollh
Chevy or Ford Pickup. Acura for a nice awd car. Maybe pick up a preowned RS6 for fun.
Cowboy UP!
I could never ever opt for a Volvo. It would be like going to the dark side. If anything, I
That’s a tough one, I would probably buy a leftover 2009 vert if there are any still available. If that wasn’t an option it would probably be an Audi A-5 Convertible. I hate hard top convertibles, they look awkward, have no trunk space and are heavy with a capital H. Evryone except Audi and Mercedes has gone that way and that’s an instant deal breaker. Let’s hope when the new Saab rolls out the new 9-3 vert it still has a proper cloth top.
BMW 7er V12
Or
Dodge ram
Or
Hummer H1
Or
Mercedes G-klasse
Audi and maybe Volvo, I like the second generation S40 but the latest facelift not so much, and today I saw the S60 , the new one, I like the interior alot,and Audi A7 if it will look like it`s concept, i would defenetly get one if iwould have the greens.But Saab shall live on and nevermind the ones mentioned above
I think I have to buy a car then… boring but true!
Well, i would buy a Turbo X and drive it for some years. After 10 years or so i would buy a BMW 5 or 3 series or maybe Lexus and keep my Turbo X for weekend rides.
I can’t afford a new car, so I’d be doing what I’ve been doing the past decades: buying used Saabs. Ideally a late model 9-3 convertible. Lynx yellow! But if buying new, easy:
http://www.classicrally.com.au/new_ca13.jpg
Chrysler 300C CRD SRT Touring.
Ain’t she a beaut!
As my 9-3 hatch is 10 years old, I was thinking about that back at the end of December when it was looking very bleak for Saab. I could almost see getting a Subaru Outback, but the seats just are not that comfortable…I have been really spoiled by the 9-3. Maybe a Mazdaspeed 3 sportwagon. Whatever I think of would be functional, but I can’t think of any other car that would enjoy as much as a Saab.
Life without Saab! Unthinkable.
My 900V6 is 16 years old in a few weeks time and has a few more years left in him.
My 2008 and 2009 9-5′s should last as long if not longer.
By the time they go to Saab heaven I’ll be retired. So when that time comes, any cheap box on wheels will do just to get me to the shops and the post office on pension day.
The Mother in law (hippo) has recently bought a Hyundai i10. Dirt cheap to buy and run, ideal when on a limited income.
I decided in November last year that if the new 9-5SC is not put into production (for some reason), it would be a Volvo V70.
- Volvo S40
- Honda Accord sedan
- Alfa Romeo
- Citroen C5
Sorry for the off-topic, but Vladimir Antonov has published an open letter at the International Herald Tribune, saying he was forced out of Spyker by the Swedish Government. Very interesting read. Note: the Swedish Government, not the U.S.
Long time no see. It has been a pleasure to not be pressing F5 button instead of doing some work at the office. I am in pretty calm mood now, waiting for the big things to happen.
The question is hard, for one special reason: My family is getting bigger and I will probably have to think on some 7-seater soon (and it will not be Opel Zafira, nor any other similar GM product).
But anyway if I am to buy an ordinary sedan/kombi, I would probably take a look at Subary Legacy. For me, the only manufacturer that has similar DNA (to use Victor’s expression) is Subaru: aeronautic heritage, niche (4×4 + Boxer engine), odd design that attracts limited audience and practicality in a SAAB-kind of way.
At first I refused to answer this question… But now I can safely say I would be interested in Alfa Romeo.
When you published that article about GM giving away that joint-venture platform to Fiat in ~2005, I actually starting looking at the 159. I really like the exterior, but the interior looks bland to me, and so do the engine choices
But of course I don’t see them in the US market, probably for good reason too! Those things are pieces of junk! US market always knows best…
Other than the obvious choice of just running my 9-3 for the foreseeable future, I would hop from brand to brand like I was having a mid-life crisis.
Basically the same kind of wanderlust that made Swade get an Alfa and a Miata and (almost) a Porsche. I would have to get two cars to cover the utility/fun spread that the 9-3 handles on its own.
Hyundai Genesis Coupe. 4cyl turbo coupe is just so exciting. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Saab try something like what Hyundai did. In 2012 Saab launch the all new 9-3 sedan/combi/hatch versions and then use the same platform in a stripped down version with driver focus only asthetics to make an affordable entry car for the sporty budget minded future buyers.
Cadillac CTS wagon, or volvo c30.
Well, the main reason i choose a 95 was the fact that it is so unique and a rare presence on the roads of Romania (the 93′s are more likely to be seen here)
The other few cars in this category that i might think off are:
1) Lancia Thesis – gorgeous, beautiful thing but hard to find and own:( ..still, very high on my wish list.
2) Citroen C6 – I like it! Not as much as 95 and Thesis but i heard only good things about it.
3) Cadyllac CTS – Well, like it or not, the thing kind of grew up on me. I have seen only one (!) of them in like 4 years on the roads so it’s rare and fits my profile! Make it a CTS-V and it’s even better!
Maybe a Spyker ?
If the X was not able to be repaired (and barring another virgin one — afraid I’m not for ‘pre-owned’) might stray into the Alfa Dealer (assuming they do establish a base in Canada and offer some kind of AWD/XWD).
]. Other Germans I find dowdy or blingy: Despite owning BMW in the past, I’m not feeling latest offerings [3 series -- you're joking; new 5 is stylistically dull as dishwater-- that 'back to the future' shoulder-crease...NG9-5 has little to worry about!];Audi is looking more and more ridiculous with those ‘signature’ headlamp treatments [New A8 is bathos; A1 worse].
)
Otherwise, M-B (C [63, funds permitting!just about the only 2WD exception I'd make] 4matic; E possibly [AMG, if lightning struck -- another 2WD exception
Revamped S60 Volvos are wretchingly ugly (front end, yikes!). The fact of Volvo’s proximity to Saab ( ‘Swedishness’) does not impress me. Akin to wineries down the road from each other: One producing stellar grapes, the other plonk! (or two sisters, one beautiful, the other… well, I think you get the message
Lottery win would see a Maserati GranTurismo or A-M DBS — the last 2WD exception (in BritRacGrn or Carbon Black)– in the drive.
Volvo in the first place. M-B in the second one.
Safety is the one of the most important issues to me.
Used Porsche Carrera 4 (964 or 993) with max. 100 TKM on it.
If I don’t lose my job.
Well I must say there have been quite a few GM vehicles pop up here. I guess these people didn’t sign the ‘iwontbuyfromgm’ petition.
I still wont buy a GM vehicle other that SAAB and I’ve told my friends that they are not a true friend if they buy one.
Back to the plot.
If I stay with a named brand then I’d say Citroen is really high on my list.
Their design language has had a dramatic overhaul and I can’t think of any other company focused on producing some very funky, aggressive and contemporary concepts and products. By most accounts Citroen has vastly improved their reliability too and maybe some of that is due the the tie-up with BMW for 4 cylinder power-trains.
I like the way the company is also making their own 2 tier portfolio with the revival of the DS signature.
However; If I resigned myself to just needing a new reliable form of transport to get me from A to B then DACIA will take some beating. Unlike Hyundai and KIA; DACIA are purely interested in making their cars as cheap as possible. No frills just pretty much the basics and are certainly not looking to slap a premium on their products and accessories. The engines are supplied by Renault the cars built in Romania.
DACIA as far as I can see are the mothers of all what I despise about the new wave of brands focused on just being a workhorse. There will be no pleasure in driving it. I’ll hate the look of it. But I won’t care because it only cost me 7,000 Euros Which means once the warranty runs out I’d have lost about 5,000 Euros. In comparison an AUDI, Alfa or KIA will lose that driving off the forecourt.
So there you have it in a nutshell; A complete step-out of the whole Brand institution. I’d probably buy the doggiest of the dog rotten companies on the market to date.
I like the 159 too but I can’t see Alfa back in NA anytime soon. I wouldn’t call that 2.4 JTDM a boring engine choice. 210 HP and 300lbs torque with a higway rating of 37 MPG. People say Americans won’t buy diesels but we certainly will if they have the power. Saab needs to give Alfa a call and figure out if that baby would fit in the 9-3
Ford Focus RS
I’d buy a few turbo X sedans and put them in storage. Ten yrs a car would probably carry me through.
Maybe a Mazda 6
Where are you from?…just curious.:), I have to do with Dacias all day beeing from Romania and I`d rather buy a second hand Skoda Fabia or Polo than deal with Dacia Logan, (it has no feel of a car, nothing,that just won`t do,a car should have character and it doesn`t).
Hi WooDz,
I did sign the “iwontbuyfromgm” petition and I’ve placed a GM product on my list. And these are my resons for doing it.
- GM has agreed to sell SAAB, only the Swedish gouvernment or the EIB can make the deal fail now.
- There is enough SAAB tech in that car.
- I could end up with a french car, but I don’t like the current 308 SW or the megane wagon, and Citroen hasn’t got nothing in that class (no I don’t like vans).
To me is quite funny that so many would opt for an Audi.
Eggs could you please open a thread on the open letter of Mr Antonov on the Herald Tribune.
Kroum has posted the link.
With no SAAB, it would have to be an Alfa Romeo when they return to the US.
If it was right now, I’d be getting a later OG9-3SE. a couple years from now, a 9-3 sportcombi, would love a TX… but in 5 or so, when I think I could actually need one?
I’d lean Jaguar, then perhaps the V50 or C30. But my wife tells me it would be a mini cooper clubman if not a saab.
Sadly, I would go for the BMW X1. It drives well, fits what I need, doesn’t look to bad, and has a lot of bang for the buck. Doesn’t ride too high or too low, has great tech, great engine, great dealer, great service. I still want a Saab though. Hmm.
I think I might be the first person here to say the VW GTI. A classic hatchback that has proven itself many times. I looked at Volvo C30′s but it just didn’t really “work”. It was like 90% of a GTI. Good car but not quite there yet. A second generation may nail it though. I will have to take a VERY close look at the new Audi A1. I am excited about that. See now is the time for the Saab 9-1!
Someone give them money to design it already!
That’s if I were to buy new. Obviously I’ll keep my OG900 for winter and NG900 for summer for years to come
I think I would look at the following if Saab folded:
new Volvo S60
Audi A4 2.0T Quattro
Mercedes-Benz C300 4Matic
BMW 328i
Subaru Outback 3.6
If Saab had ceased to be a going concern, it probably wouldn’t affect me in either the near or medium term, as I usually buy older Saabs. My daily ride is a ’94 9000 Aero, and baring any mechanical or collision derived calamities, I plan on driving it for a while. Were it to croak, though, I might move up to like a ’97 9000 Aero or so.
Were we ever to get to a point that no Saabs were available in the pre-owned market, or that parts and spares aren’t available anymore, maybe – MAYBE – I’d consider a BMW; especially if the new hatchbacks have reached a reasonable price as used vehicles.
2011 Volvo C70 in white.
I’d still manage for a long, long time… I’ve had my 9000 Talladega (1990) for a couple of years now and it works and behaves lika a dream. I guess in the year of 2029 I’d probably have changed to a 9-3 Turbo X (2009) though…
The other brands just doesn’t seem interesting (though I’ve driven most of them), and the thought of changing really even hasn’t crossed my mind.
If I’m back in Spain if Saab closes, then I’d go with a Seat. I’m Spanish and well, they’re as Spanish as automobiles get. Plus they are pretty funky.
Otherwise I would probably go with Lexus, only because my family and I have had good experiences with them in the past. If the recalls continue though, my confidence will continue to diminish and I would therefore go with an Infiniti.
BMW has too many models! What’s the X1 again? Does the X indicate a cross-country version, like in 9-3X? I’ll admit it doesn’t look bad at all in that pic.
I would most likely by a VW Golf, though. In fact, that’s what I did buy (MY06) last spring, when I finally accepted that my old car wouldn’t last me until the Saab 9-1 (maybe) came on the market. What I want is a fairly small, fuel-efficient car, but still big enough for the open road, and with a decent amount of storage space. I have to say I’m quite happy with my Golf. It’s good quality, fairly fun to drive (certainly compared to my old car, a ’91 Chevy Cavalier), and not at all bad-looking. The downsides are that “everybody” drives one, and that the seat isn’t all that comfortable on really long drives.
BMW has too many models! What’s the X1 again? Does the X indicate a cross-country version, like in 9-3X? I’ll admit it doesn’t look bad at all in that pic.
I would most likely by a VW Golf, though. In fact, that’s what I did buy (MY06) last spring, when I finally accepted that my old car wouldn’t last me until the Saab 9-1 (maybe) came on the market. What I want is a fairly small, fuel-efficient car, but still big enough for the open road, and with a decent amount of storage space. I have to say I’m quite happy with my Golf. It’s good quality, fairly fun to drive (certainly compared to my old car, a ’91 Chevy Cavalier), and not at all bad-looking. The downsides are that “everybody” drives one, and that the seat isn’t all that comfortable on really long drives.
Hmmm, in order… leftover ’09 93X 2.0, or wait for the Buick Regal GS (Turbo 4, Haldex 4WD, in an Opel Insignia) or Caddy ATS
GMC Acadia (with all that Saab DNA and the 3.6)
3-series wagon
Audi wagon
Subi Impreza
Antonov will be investigated and cleansed, to later come back as an investment facilitator for Spyker. It’s up to GM, he says.
tv4 news
VW/Audi like i always did before i fell in love with Saab. My 9-3 is still new and i’m keeping it forever but i will need a second cheaper car in about 2-3 years after i sell my Toyota beater. I’ll probably be looking at the new vw golf or used c30 unless Saab brings the 9-1 by then!
and in a couple of month DACIA will lunch its new small SUV
, called Duster, which I found quite good looking. Also Sandero Stepway(a “cross contry” 
version of Sandero) seams quite good looking to me.
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Being a romanian, I’m quite proud of them, despite not wanting to buy from them
But I’m glad their message has been sent correctly (is a decent car, with very good value for the money).
Old Dacia’s are still the largest number of cars in Romania, my dad has one from 1989
What I don’t like are the names of their models. Dacia is the ancient name (roman times) of our country, so my choice of names would be related to our (ancient) history.
You know, during the entire SAGA I was able to stay pretty emotionally stable. However, the one question that made me feel helpless and emotional was “what would I buy?”
The mere thought almost brought a tear to my eyes, because there simply no other car that will do.
I like Audi, but they are too pretentious in my mind. I could not throw my 14 foot kayak on top of it and feel right. Subaru does nothing for me, though I like the utility. If you combine Audi and Subaru you get a lot of what SAAB is and that is what I like. I guess I am very specific in what I like and that is SAAB!
I
I absolutely agree with you, no GM product under no circumstances whatsoever. Especially since the guys now plan to write off 8000 jobs in Europe and at the same time have the nerve to ask for 2,5 billion Euros of government aid. Am I glad that SAAB got out of that company…
Back on track, I would most likely chase for old SAABS until there are none left or look for a Volvo Amazon. Yes, an Amazon as an every day vehicle, this idea fascinates me the longer I think about it. A purely mechanical car, no electronics there. Something you can fix and get running again with basic tools such as spanners, screwdrives and, if bad comes to worst, some race tape and wire. I have always liked the look of that car…
If it had to be a new car, Dacia would be high up on my list, too. A simple, no-nonsense vehicle and cheap as well. As I am really a motorcycle nut (6 in my garage), I could pass on the fun in driving there.
I would not give a single thought at buying any German brand as they are all too expensive in my opinion.
Or, to go more in the Dacia direction, I would seriously consider a Renault Trafic or a Fiat Scudo. This kind of vehicle fits into a regular parking space, you can enter every parking house with it. Strictly utilitarian vehicles, but I could load up two motorcycles in the back and it would get me anywhere my 2001 9-3 does right now. Slower and with less comfort, of course. But then, without SAAB, cars are just a means of transport for me.
Either a VW Passat or (I know it’s heresy, but the dealer is close, good, and said he would like to sell SAABs again) the “Buick” Lacrosse/Regal version of the Opel as long as the Euro 4 cyl engine is available; if I can;t have a real SAAB then get the rebadged version!
But I’d drive my 9-5 for 20 years first.
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“Yes, an Amazon as an every day vehicle, this idea fascinates me the longer I think about it.”
Hello… Ever heard about the SAAB 99 or even the 95/96 V4?
I would like to see a new SAAB on my driveway if that were not an option then I guess a Mercedes or BMW (but I won’t like it)..
I can honestly say that there is not much out there that interests me outside of SAAB. My wife drives a Jeep Wrangler that I like well enough, but the motors they are now using need a LOT more power before I would buy one for me (diesel would work too!)…
I’ve had quite a few cars for a guy my age, but my 03 9-3SS is the only car I’ve been able to connect with. I’m sitting here pondering what I’d buy, and with volvo going chinese, they’re out. The only ford I like is the mustang, and I need 4 doors (or a two door hatch would work nicely!).
More than likely I’d keep my 03 9-3SS and go after a Turbo-X combi.
I’m planning on buying a new car in late 2011, so hopefully SAAB will have something out that fits my needs and is in my price range.
My needs- good fuel economy, room for the wife and dogs, fun to drive, basic power options (windows, DL, blah blah blah) and sunroof. That’s about it.
Price range- $25,000-$30,000USD
IMHO- Saab needs a small OG9-3 sized car in the $25-30,000USD range as a base. Asking $50,000USD for a 9-5 puts it out of my price range, and as most of the NG9-3′s loaded with the options I want cost around $40,000USD they are out of my price range as well. A 9-1 or 9-2 right sized, and with the right price tag would be a great way to get the SAAB name out there with the 25-35 age bracket, who can upsize to a 9-3 or 9-5 as their income grows.
Saab builds a 2dr hatch with the 2.0T gas motor or bring their Diesel motor over to the U.S., I’ll buy one tomorrow!
Anyways,
Just my scrambled and poorly spelled thoughts…
Metz
The short list (for today) that I would consider looking at would be (and in no particular order):
Audi A3 Quattro
BMW 3x series
Volvo AWD, perhaps S40/V50
definately an Alfa
Money no object, a Jag XF or BMW 5.
Otherwise the new S60 or a BMW3.
Saw 10 SAAB’s in less than an hour here just outside of London, England.
Easy. Subaru Outback, diesel. I
Saab, if there’s no left, i’d have a look at alfa
2nd hand 9-3 would/will be an obvious choice. If it must be some other brand I’d go with VW Passat CC – One of the best looking cars ever! (along with 9-3 of course)
If I could not get a NG 9-5 this year, I would have to opt for the NG Volvo S60.
2nd hand lotus evora when it became cheap enough. or XFR if more seats needed
In my case is a bit simpler due to the cars I own, a Turbo X and a 9-5 Aero 01 sedan. This one would probably be exchanged for a new 9-5 wagon or even a 9-3 Wagon. The 9-4 could be a contender also. But the TX will be a hard one as its replacement has to be hotter. Should the newer 9-3 come out with a hotter variant (and very likely) or whatever comes out below aka 9-1 and hotter, this will be the one. I must confess of all the others the one that raises my eyebrows and would have been a contender in my garage if things went sour would be a TT RS. It’s a hot and cute car even a proper hatch !!! Its shortfall is that it’s limited to 2 people. Whatever smaller comes out this should be a proper 4 seater.
You defected us, Zippy ?
If my evil twin brother “Sven” (in an alternate universe where Saab is no longer around) were in the market for a brand new car that’s available in the North American market, I would advise him to consider the following:
- Audi A4 Avant Quattro
- Audi Q5
- VW Golf GTI
- VW Passat wagon
- Kia Sportage (2011)
- Acura TSX sport wagon (2011)
- Volvo XC60
Audi Q5.
And my current just 9-3 on weekends)
Nope, I’ll travel around the globe and buy some pretty nice electronic gadgets insted with hard earned money.
My SC TTiD will be good for another 7-8 years, and the only reason to buy a new car after only 2 years is that SAAB brings me the all new 9-5 XWD.
That’s it.
My used 95 is a keeper. Had it since 02/01/10 and will have it for the forseeable future. I would then be at a loss I am sad to say!
My used 95 is a keeper. Had it since 02/01/10 and will have it for the forseeable future. I would then be at a loss I am sad to say!
Always some sort of saab but I would love a C30. However we will see what happens with the chinese running volvo now.
Probably a Jaguar, Volvo or even Mini. Certainly not anything from Korea.
Alfa Romeo if they ever come to the states. Other than that I don’t know. Maybe Volvo with a Mazda or two thrown in there.
Hmm tricky one. Next purchase would be a facelift 9-3 manual petrol. Wonderful looking cars, very sinister front view – a real antidote to the bland feminine looking offerings from other manufacturers.
If I had to go for another manufacturer, BMW 3 series touring. Regular 3s have a boot that is like a glove compartment! I have a great deal of respect for Bimmers after owning a 318ti for a year bought on ebay – great car with a certain air of quality (sold for the same as I paid for it), and cornered like no other!
I had this discussion with myself before the Spyker deal, now I just want to forget it. But what I did at the time was to buy the latest 9-5 in order to keep it for many years, without having to get another brand for some time. I bout my 9-5 Griffin Sport January 5th, before the deal. It
1.used SAABS(latest)
2.volvo
3.subaru(not the 2010 though–ugly)
4.Merc-Benz
If I lived in Europe I would probably go for Renault or Skoda.
But I know I will be driving SAABS ,be it new or old.
They are simply the BEST.
Opel
Surprising! Where are the Hatchback fans? To me, the most logical choice, as already expressed, would be the Skoda Superb. Not too long, giant trunk, tailgate, more interior space than a bmw 7, decent interior design, small, turbocharged engines.
BMW, definitely BMW
Subaru Impreza, Audi A3, Subaru Outback, Audi A4 Avant, then any Volvo sedan if it’s not being made in China, in that order.
Lexus IS250
Subaru Outback/Legacy, Honda Accord, or Volvo.
Used Saab
Mazda3 (probably not the MazdaSpeed, although that would be fun)
Honda Civic, although I haven’t seen any evidence they’ll bring a hatch civic to the U.S.
Honda Accord Coupe
Prius (yes, I said it)
Maybe a Mini Cooper
Subaru?
Maybe a Volvo C30
Having recently added an 8 year old OG9-3SE to our Saab fleet, you can guess one of the options I’d continue to exercise.
I would probably look over a GTi, having owned a Mk I (Rabbit) GTI in the 80s-90s and enjoying it immensely. Assuming the same virtues are still there in the new ones.
Otherwise I’d also want to look at any vehicle with a TDi option, and a manual transmission, before deciding.
hmmmmm that was the main reason i didnt want saab to die…i dont want to sound selfish . i was talking to my wife and we couldnt find anything!!!..sad to say but never an audi or a bmw..i dont like the social politically correct status they carry…whats left here in canada all american exc. cadillac r boring but buying a car from a company that killed your brand was out of question..japanese..ZZZzzzz no way.mercedes lots and lots of them. french cars no more are imported here, british car..i love them !! only jaguar we got, so limited to 3 or 4 models. volvo hmmm maybe alfa i wish, but again we aint got any no more. awww i know a kia bicycle!! lol
VW-Skoda-Seat? No.
BMW? No.
Opel? No.
Ford? No.
Volvo. Hmm
1.last available SAABS
2.subaru
3.volvo (once I had a 480 ES turbo)
no Audi (too many around)
no Merc (ugly)
no BMW (too expensive)
no Alfa (unreliable)
no Fiat (Fix It Again Tony)
You keep on bragging on these B class cars and yet you can’t let go on to sniffing around this site. So, which one is it Richo the B or the blue car that is parked in front of your garage ????
If there was absolutely no 2nd hand SAABs to buy I would buy a bike or a bus ticket.
Best wishes and thanks for this website, J
If there was absolutely no 2nd hand SAABs to buy I would buy a bike or a bus ticket.
Best wishes and thanks for this website, J
I would:
* keep my 2009 convertible till eternity
And what if eternity came too soon?
I really like the Audi A5 convertible, but …
* it is too expensive
(about 15 to 20% list price above my Saab when equally equipped)
* it is too Audi
A Beamer, no doubt. BMW was always second on my list.
Alfa 159 or Peugeot 407 Coupe.
Nothing Made in Germany…too many people in Poland think that only German cars are worth buying….and in majority they’re the kind of people I wouldn’t like to be thought to be one of them.
Could be a Volvo, but the best ones – 700/900 series are pretty old now.
My next car will be a second hand OG 9-5 Aero, when current driving of 9k becomes too expensive due to repairs and it becomes a weekend means of transportation – it is decided already (its engine =heart is a real Saab one). than we’ll see what Spyker-Saab offer will bring.
As i still have around 14 SAAB’s …mainly pre gm.. i see no reason to change that now !! Of course Not loosing 9 last February would have been much better also
I honestly do not like the Audi A1, I think the back end is hideous. I loathe BMW’s, Benzs’, and Cadillac as well. That said, I’ve liked the way the Subaru hatches look and the way Mazda keeps their hatches around, so if I were to get another car, it’d probably be one of the two. I know the quality of the interior wouldn’t be anywhere close but I like the styling of the cars. Maybe I can find a way to place Saab seats inside.
Most likely, though, I wouldn’t buy another car. If I couldn’t get another used Saab, then I would buy a brand new Triumph Speed-Triple motorcycle. I love the streetfighter style and it’s classy looks are sure to make me feel like I’m riding in a Saab again.
Here’s a picture of a Speed-Triple:
http://image.internetautoguide.com/f/auto-news/2009-eicma-show-2010-triumph-bonneville-speed-triple-se-rocket-iii-roadster/27062620/2010-triumph-bonneville-speed-triple-se-2009-eicma-motorcycle-show.jpg
CITROEN- when our 4 SAABS die and no decent used SAABS available .
Sorry guys but I did have to work today.
For my wife’s 2009 9-3XWD, in the past year she has driven 5,000 miles. So, at 5,000 miles per year with use for say 100,000 miles, that makes my wife Saab ready for trade in in say 20 years. I think I will keep it as a hand me down. Should make my wife’s 9-3XWD the best used car ever.
Scoggin-Dicky Chevrolet, Buick, Hummer, and Saab has a new 2009 9-5 and new 2008 Turbo X on the lot today. I might buy one of them. A pre-2006 9-5 might be nice. Outside of that, I have no idea what I might buy. I like my 2008 9-3. If I can still get Saab maintenance, I might keep it a long time. It has had zero problems.
Couldn’t wait for the NG9-5 and just bought a Landrover LR4/Discovery. It is a great car. Let’s see if the 9-5 might tempt me to trade in the LR4… And I bought a wonderful lynx yellow brandnew 2008 Convertible. Going to keep that one for a long time, that’s for sure…
I guess the first choice would be Jaguar XF. Volvo XC60 would be the second (although, I don’t really fancy a SUV). Some other potentially interesting cars: Renault Megane, Subaru Outback, Ford Focus (RS
, Honda Accord…
I wouldn’t buy an Audi, BMW (maybe a used 7 series…), Opel, VW.
I would definitely head straight to my local VW dealership. I have been a long-time VW and Saab fan, really the only two brands that I have any passion towards, if worst case scenario had come to life, I’d move to a one company man. Ecstatic, though, that I will still be able to bounce back and forth between my two favorites. Can’t wait for a new (Spyker-influenced maybe) 9-3.
BTW: I don’t know if I’d actually buy one. But I kinda digg that Nissan Juke. I think a little AWD crossover the size of an xB, with the higher clearance and dune-buggy styling is something that could, I repeat, could be quite a fun little ride.
@kikaluka:
Congratulations! The best car in the best color I could guess…
Lancia Thesis.
I already own a MINI Clubman, but that is used for other reasons than my SAAB 9-5 SportsCombi. The MINI is handy around town (Norway’s oldest city, T
Same as before… 80′s Mercedes 300GD and 90′s Saab 900 Aero T16 S Convertible are the next two cars on my shopping list. Very few new cars have excited me to the point where I’d be willing to buy one with my own money… maybe the Alfa Romeo Mi.To GTA or upcoming Giulietta… but then I think, crap, for AU$50K I could buy an original 1960s Giulietta GT Veloce AND an early 80s Merc 280SL. Yeah, they’re not new cars, but they won’t depreciate either. I don’t know, I just prefer older cars. It will take a paradigm shift in car design before I’ll buy new… like a proper plugin-hybrid… or the ADF 6×6 dual cab Mercedes Gel
Of course I have. It’s just that I like the look of the amazon. The PV 544 (the one with the nickname Humpback in German)would be nice, too. Newer Volvos never held any interest for me.
One Dream Car I have: Renault Alpine A110. Would have to be in that famous metallic blue painting, though…
It is unthinkable. But there was a time, just a few weeks ago, that it looked like GM would really fold Saab. I never bought the theory that GM was trying to kill off Saab because they didn’t want them as future competition and as I quickly scan the comments, I think I’m right in saying… most responders are not interested in buying a GM product.
I’m on my 7th & 8th Saab (9-3 convertible & 900 Turbo), it’s sacrilegious to think about another brand… but I did, Jaguar. I’m in the U.S. and don’t have access to many of the Euro brands.
Just a thought on the Alfa thing: Clarkson once referred to the 159 as the most stylish car in the world. Sort of the motoring equivalent of the perfect suit or black cocktail dress. According to JC, the driver of a 159 has nothing else to prove. Considering the usual frothing over AMG Mercs that he carries on with its quite a compliment. Up there with his connection between the 95 Aero and happy dentists anyway.
The level of integrity – and the courage to keep it – is very important to me – in a world where so many companys are always hunting the same trend and so many car-designs are oppulent, “smart” and opportunistic.
Among “normally” price-rated “family-cars”, I think only Alfa Romeo reaches the integrity-level of Saab ( allthough the 9-4X is not exactly adding to the integrity off Saab…). So: Alfa!
Hi T.M.
I live in Germany.
There has only been one car that has blown me away for all out driving pleasure other that a SAAB and that was a Lotus Mk2.
I was left shaking from the adrenalin after a 30 min drive from my sister’s old house. However; you can’t live with it on a daily basis. I bought a standard HP printer and I couldn’t get it in the trunk. I had to put it on the passenger seat.
The problem with most affordable 2nd hand cars is that the warranty has already run out. That means more money if it goes wrong.
I like DACIA because it’s not trying to be anything more than what it is.
Tin Box, 4 Wheels, A to B.
It’s completely soulless just like 95% of all the other brands on the market today but very affordable. I don’t see why I should waste anymore money on a lifeless appliance than necessary.
So yeah…. Really diggin’ the DACIA appreciation here
My second car is an Alfa Romeo. Excellent and beautiful car that I love as mush as my Aero. Both are fun to drive.
It can’t be that both car companies will go out of business at the same time! So I would be left with something!
“So yeah…. Really diggin’ the DACIA appreciation here”
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It’s not a safe car, so be grateful that you can still choose a Saab
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/Dacia_Sandero_2008/340.aspx
Volvo XC90 for sure…
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Volvo-XC90-PUV-FA-1920×1440.jpg
Ofcourse with a turbo engine, not the V8.
Oops, sorry for that BIG pic…!
I thought it would resize automatically….
Guess what;
Only need to add a turbo-gauge to this nice Scandinavian dash;
And now, Ladies and Gentlemen; the statistics (almost certainly, miscounted or misinterpreted at some stage, but well, here it goes anyway):
1. With a strong preference to keep on driving used Saabs: I stopped counting after 53 votes.
2. Volvo; 46 YES, 6 NO (diff = 40)
3. Alfa Romeo; 25 YES, 1 NO (diff = 24)
4. Subaru; 22 YES, 3 NO (diff = 19)
5. Audi; 23 YES, 10 NO (diff = 13)
5. LR/Jag; 13 YES
7. Mercedes: 15 YES, 4 NO (diff = 11)
8. BMW; 18 YES, 10 NO (diff = 10)
9. Citroen; 9 YES
9. VW; 13 YES, 4 NO (diff = 9
11. Mazda; 7 YES
12. Skoda; 8 YES, 2 NO (diff = 6)
13. Porsche; 5 YES
13. Lancia; 5 YES
other Japan: 17, other France: 7, other US: 11
And here are some of MY conclusions:
Some surprises here. Volvo so big, amazing, because their perception beyond being Skandinavian is quite different from Saab’s. It appears that this Swedishness is an important factor indeed!
Next surprise is Alfa Romeo. It might be deduced that for those people, driving fun and exterior design is more important than interior design/space, and reliability. So, Saab should improve the suspension?!
The same holds for Jaguar, I guess?
And then there is Citroen; also well known for their good riding performance, yet I would guess quite different from Alfa’s.
Also quite amazing the mentioning of sport cars. Not only Porsche, but also others.
And finally, almost exclusively European brands, even by those from America.
Specific cars mentioned several times: Volvo C30 (9), Skoda Superb (6), Alfa Romeo 159 (7); Citroen C6 (2?); Audi A2/4/Q5
Quite clearly, Saab drivers do not cater to the concept of “premium”, as the alternatives mentioned (even Dacia) imressively show.
To me, it appears that we could well agree on what makes a Saab a Saab, but could certainly not agree on what could replace it, because there are several different focusses for different people.
If no “S__B”,…I can’t say it either,….I would be checking out Audi, likely an “A4″. My 9-5 is fairly new (2007) so for now no immediate change required, but I prefer the European approach and design to automobiles vs. N. America and Asia… and Saab & Audi for me do it the way I like it, although Saab is more distinctive and special and my ’07 9-5 is a great size. I also don’t want a car that is too big, the new 9-5 might be, so a 9-3 sedan might be my next Saab….
Of course, in Canada we are anxiously waiting to see what the plans will be for Saab dealers here.
Silly question folks … be positive … Saab will survive .. now the question is, to the extent that Trollhatten pays attention to these blogs, how will it best survive?
We have all watched with dismay as the Saab brand suffered under GM ownership. First, the abandonment of the hatchback 900 / 9-3 which was a foundation attribute of this unique and iconic brand. Second, the lack of investment in new product development over the last 12 years which allowed the 9-5 and 9-3 to languish with little more than cosmetic changes (although the new 9-5 and 9-4X look very promising for 2010 and 2011 launch). And third, the fact that GM virtually abandoned Saab in the USA in 2009, with limited product, no consumer financing, and no advertising or promotional support, and I would guess that an immediate challenge is the revival of a dealer base that has no doubt suffered greatly.
There is certainly an opportunity in the overall recovery of the automobile business in the United States, with current car scrap rates 30% higher than a bottomed out 2009 new car volume, suggesting pent up demand waiting to be unleashed.
But the challenges are significant with a weakened dealer base, a public who generally do not yet know that Saab has been resurrected, and Saab customers, some of whom have left the brand, disappointed in the changes that GM made.
With these challenges in mind, however, Saab is in a unique position to come through this near death experience stronger than ever, if, under new ownership, the company can quickly and aggressively recapture its unique niche in the market, and take that niche further, reinforcing pre GM brand positioning of quality, safety, efficiency, fuel economy, quirky saabyness, interior space and exterior compactness, design with clean simple lines and form following function, sporty and enjoyable driving experience, reasonable cost of ownership and maintenance and innovative engineering and technology putting Saab at the cutting edge of issues such as alternative fuels and environmental consciousness.
Probably a Subaru
Volvo C70
SUBARU
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