This will throw the cat amongst the pigeons. Not because of the prices, necessarily, but because of the model range that’s mentioned in the brochure.
From Djup Strupe. Click to enlarge.
Wow.
TTiD, BioPower and the 1.6 litre.
Methinks the German market is being pursued quite aggressively. A good thing, but I’d be fascinated to know why some of these configurations haven’t been mentioned in literature we’ve seen for the Swedish market.
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UPDATE – The fine print. Indeed, the models above with asterisks are for the 2011 model year so it’s probably fair to assume they’ll be made available for other European markets as well at that time.
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The colors list looks the same, with ‘Oak’ noted as a 2011 color.
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This makes me just want to lay down and cry! (I can’t though, because I am about to run outside for a few errands, one of which is to buy new brake discs for my 9000)
Maybe it is a slightly different timeframe? (i.e. they’ll build for Sweden first, and then tool up for other markets?)
This is… Strange. Indeed
Wait a minute, all the engines that are different than the swedish offering has stars beside them. What’s up with the stars? Is it some fineprint of not being available until MY 2011?
That’s much better than what I have heard about prices in the Netherlands! But of course, tax differences make (all) the difference.
There is in fact good news. The engine choice is quite more acceptable than initiially thought. Saab has now a good midrange Diesel engine coupled with XW, not just the 160hp without XWD. This is excellent for most European markets. In my view, the same engine should for model yeear 2011 also be offered with XWD in the 9-3. What could be recommended, is an additional c hip tuning like with Hirsch.
Prices to me seem quite acceptable, and in fact, coupled with the packages, quite competitive against German offers. Overall, if the car is as good as many say, this should be acceptable for the first model year, and offer sufficient possibilites for the following years over the lifetime cycle.
Medium term, I agree, there should be more upscale engine possibilities. I see thee dimension:
- The new 2.0l 220hp engine apparently offers superb tuning possibilites, thus better performance with this engine is possible at an acceptable price.
- The 300hp V-6 cannot be the top end, either tuning or other offers must be possible. The same engine in the Insignia is offered with 325-hp. I hope Saab engineers are at least as capable than their Opel counterparts.
- Obviously, there is also the need for a bigger, probably 6-cylinder Diesel for the 9-5 medium term, also coupled with XWD. This must be bought from somewhere.
These engine choices are needed if the Sc will be introduced, as the cargo weight asks for more hp.
Must be right. It seems to me the stars indicating that this combination will be available later. Must be, because the TTiD-Engine isn’t ready to launch as far as i know.
Right you are. 2011 model year.
I have checked on the PDF and posted an update above with the fine print included.
I saw the fine print for the colors at first glance, but not for the engines. Fixed now.
Yep, that’s the really big news – this is the first mention of XWD/Diesel.
Last we heard was “Can’t be made to work”, wasn’t it?
So far it looks like the cars will be much cheaper in Sweden than any other European country. I for one will consider importing a new 9-5 from Sweden to Norway.
that was for 9-3x.
Good news that the diesel soon will be available even in combination with XWD. Fully agree that this option should be made available for the 9-3, in particular for the 9-3X, as soon as possible. In the medium term, Saab needs a more powerful diesel which is available in combination with XWD too.
Pricing seems competitive in relation to the German manufacturers, especially when equipment/extras are considered. A comparable A6 will be at least 4000 EUR more expensive, I guess the difference to BMW 5 will be similar. Hopefully the car is as good as reported in quality and drive experience.
With these prices, the standard petrol Linear has a conversion of 8.2 from the Swedish price of 311000 kr. If that’s correct also for the entry-level 160 bhp model, you’ll get a prize of 276 340 kr, which is 24 000 less than the cheapest Audi A6. Eat dirt, DI.
Sweet with the SAAB 9-5 TTID Aero!
Indeed – but I thought the assumption was that it was a mechanical issue (probably a torque limit), rather than “just” space for the kit with the platform.
When importing brand new cars within the EU (i.e what qualifies as a ‘New means of transport’) . You still have to pay the Value added tax in the country of import plus any supplementary luxury taxes. Many countries demand the VAT,MwSt etc to be paid in the country of export before hand, then once that vehicle is registered in the land of usage you may then claim the VAT back from the country of export with relevant proof of VAT payment.
Importing from Sweden to Norway may well make the new means of transport more expensive as the Net price could be lower in Norway to compensate for various taxes applied for that domestic market.
I haven’t checked any net prices so please don’t quote me. My point is just make sure you do your homework before you consider importing.
[b]Dutch-prices:[/b]
1.6T Linear -
Prices in Holland have been announced:
1.6T Linear 42.950
1.6T Vector 45.500
2.0T Linear 47.150
2.0T Vector 49.700
2.0T Aero 56.700
2,8-liter V6 Turbo 73.500
2.0 TiD Linear 44.450 euro
2.0 Tid Vector 47.000
When you import a car into Norway you pay Norwegian VAT on the basis of the import value (i.e sale price excl. VAT) and special car taxes (calculated on the basis of engine kW and co2 emission and the kerb weight of the car). When you buy the car new in Sweden and export it, you get the Swedish VAT refunded. So in the end it is a simple calculation to see if buying in Norway or Sweden and importing into Norway is best.
Aren’t there any international agreements between the EU and countries like Norway and Switzerland, so that the rules applied in case of import/export are more similar to those applied within the EU?
Yeah.. in Denmark, for instance, new cars are very cheap. This because they add like a zillion percent in registration taxes and all sorts of fees, something that danish citizens cannot avoid. The effect is that for a swede, buying a new car in Denmark and registering it back home is cheap, while a dane would be ill advised to buy a new car in Sweden.
Well, I should buy my next saab in sweden or denmark, not in germany. About 200-600 km to go, perhaps during my holiday? Must consider the tax problem.
The models with an asterisks will be available in september in switzerland a hostess told me last sunday in geneva
TTiD and XWD!!!
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I think it’s good to mention the versions that are available in a few months now. Quite important for potential customers to see a bigger diesel and the entry version.
Prices are competitive I think.
According to the engines I’m curious what Hirsch will offer…
did we not talk about the diesel and XWD?
Here it is, glad to hear that it’s coming!
DOes anybody knows if SAAB is going to use a big diesel from VM MOTORI V6 diesel RA 630 DOHC?
More fine print that almost makes me want to cry:
**nur mit Sentronic 6-Gang Automatik verf
Diesel and XWD can be done with the 9-3 and 9-3x. However, the cost of the modifications to the platform make producing it cost prohibitive.
I just do not get it. How can Saab expect to sell, when they mentions what Will come next. The really desirable combinations of biopower, ttid, energy efficient 1.6 etc. To come in the fall???
I just do not get it. How can Saab expect to sell, when they mentions what Will come next. The really desirable combinations of biopower, ttid, energy efficient 1.6 etc. To come in the fall???
I just do not get it. How can Saab expect to sell, when they mentions what Will come next. The really desirable combinations of biopower, ttid, energy efficient 1.6 etc. To come in the fall???
I just do not get it. How can Saab expect to sell, when they mentions what Will come next. The really desirable combinations of biopower, ttid, energy efficient 1.6 etc. To come in the fall???
I just do not get it. How can Saab expect to sell, when they mentions what Will come next. The really desirable combinations of biopower, ttid, energy efficient 1.6 etc. To come in the fall???
ANA Trollh
The only tax you are exempt from paying when buying a new means of transport between EU countries is Import duty. Norway, Sweden and Great Britain are in the EU but don’t have the euro. So you could import a new means on transport bought in the UK for example however VAT in UK is 17.5% in Germany it’s 19%.
It’s just about calculating the costs to Import Vs. a domestic purchase.
net price + VAT, registration, transport costs etc plus the inconvenience of having to do it all yourself instead having your dealer do all the work for you.
If it works out cheaper and you don’t mind the hassle then go for it.
The other problem you will have is that it will be classed as a ‘Grey Import’ meaning when you go to sell the car most people/dealers will not offer the going rate for your car as it wasn’t imported by SAAB’s authorised importer (e.g SAAB Deutschland GmbH) and the Pre-delivery inspection proves the vehicle was imported from another country. You could be offered as much as 5 or 6,000 Euros less for your ‘Grey Import’ than a domestically registered vehicle. So what you gained in the purchase could well be lost when you sell.
If you’re going to keep the car until it falls apart then there’s no problems.
There’s a lot more to Importing vehicles than meets the eye.
Norway in the EU? When did that happen?
WooDz, Norway is still not part of the EU.
VAT doesn’t factor into this much, since both Norway and Sweden have 25% VAT.
Some links for Arild:
http://toll.no/templates_TAD/MainSubject.aspx?id=49&epslanguage=no
and a nifty calculator to figure out the one-time duty: http://toll.no/templates_TAD/RegistrationTax.aspx?id=79&epslanguage=no
I bought a 1997 9000 CSE 200 hp in Sweden for 18000 SEK. If I move back to Norway, I’d have to pay closer to 100000 NOK (almost 120k SEK) to the government.
Arild: I suspect the only way you can gain something, is if the swedish kroner keeps dropping. I.e. if the price for Saabs in Norway don’t follow the exchange rate, then paying for the car later at delivery (in SEK) means you will reap the benefits from your forex speculation.
But… I’d say it is pure gambling. The exchange rate could very well move in the other direction. It would be easier (more predictable) if there were cars in stock that you could buy.
The prices are quite competitive, IMHO, for example my car DE9-5 (185hp) Vector Griffin SC costs 40.500
Rune after some quick research I must apologise for stating that Norway was part of the EU. however digging further explicitly with the Import of vehicles from European Economic Countries (EEC) no Import Duty is required.
When importing a new vehicle into Norway you do not have to pay ‘Import Tax’?
You may be required to pay VAT for your 1997 SAAB 9000 however the are 2 factors that could apply.
1.You may still be able to claim the VAT back from Sweden once you pay the VAT in Norway (Tax has to be paid in the country where the vehicle is registered.)
2. As the vehicle is no-longer a new means of transport (More than 6 months old and has been driven more than 6000 Kilometers) VAT is not required to be paid at point of vehicle registration. However this applies to the EEC, whether Norway would fall into that due to treaties which came into effect back in 1999 is something that could be researched.
No problems WooDz, I voted ‘yes’ in the last EU election.
But, yes, as I tried to say in my previous posting, there are heavy import duties on cars in Norway. I’m told that in the old days, one could bring a car in for next-to-nothing if you had owned that car for at least three years abroad.
Importing a car, new or not, incurs huge taxes. The Swedish dealers do sell quite a few cars to Norwegian customers, and they know all about these rules (so they will help). They probably have less overhead than the Norwegian dealers, but I still think the biggest difference is currency fluxuations.
I’ve got it confirmed by my SAAB dealer.
The “other” engines should be available by September 2010. I think, this is when the ModelYear begins.
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