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Beijing Automotive’s C71 (Saab 9-5)

April 21, 2010 in News

Late last night, I received a link to this site, showing an image of the Beijing Automotive C71. Unfortunately I coldn’t find ay information on that site confirming that that’s what they want to build, it just showed a name.
Thankfully, this morning, there’s a few more links coming through via email and it certainly does seem to be the car that Beijing Automotive want to build with the 9-5 tooling that they bought from Saab.
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From the China Car TImes:

The SUV’s may be cool, but the real star of the line up is the Beijing C71, based on the Saab technology that Beijing Auto acquired from Saab prior to its sale to Spyker cars earlier this year. Powerplants for the above models, aside from the EV, are likely to be Saab units in turbo and naturally aspirated form.

Thanks to Jos and Justyn for the confirming links, and to Jokejoe.

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Spyker C8 race car visits Saab Museum

April 20, 2010 in Saabology

A new visitor arrived at the Saab Car Museum in Trollhattan today:
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This car is a Spyker C8 Double-12 and it was used at LeMans back in 2003.
Of course, Spyker will be racing at LeMans again this year, following up from their successful 5th placing in last year’s LeMans endurance event.
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The Saab GB issue – my view, in English

April 20, 2010 in News

The Local has been good enough to provide a full English translation of the article I covered earlier today (yesterday, Swedish time).
Let’s get to it, before I rip into the Swedish press (again).
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Dutch firm Spyker has declared its intention to cover its losses by taking funds from Saab GB, arguing that the firm is not a Saab subsidiary but an independent company bought from US General Motors.
“Spyker is not taking any money from Saab, this is an independent company which we are buying from GM,” said Saab Automobile chairperson and Spyker CEO Victor Muller on Monday.
Spyker Cars is leaking money, with the niche sports carmaker reporting a loss of 220 million kronor ($30 million) in 2009, three times the value of its sales.
To cover its massive losses, the firm now wants to create a so-called cash pool with the British distribution firm Saab GB, enabling Spyker to borrow money for its business, according to a TV4 report.
The detail was included in a footnote in Spyker Cars annual accounts.
“We are not hiding anything. It is clearly stated in our financial statement,” Muller told news agency TT.
Saab GB is currently owned by US General Motors (GM) and is set to be acquired by Spyker Cars for the sum of

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Why would I buy a Saab in 2010?

April 20, 2010 in Editorial

Some legitimate questions have popped up in comments that I thought I’d try and add my 2 cents on here.
The main question is why buy a Saab nowadays?
On paper, there’s not necessarily a whole bunch of compelling reasons, to be honest. Fuel economy is reasonable but not necessarily best in class. Ditto for performance. Safety is a given in this class of vehicle. Overall, there’s not too many ways to go wrong spending Saab-level money on a car.
But that last statement (and pretty much any notion of buying another brand of vehicle) has an implication that rides along with it. The implication is that the total package – the brand and the combination of elements that make up the vehicle – doesn’t matter.
I think for many people, that implication doesn’t carry any weight.
Let’s face it; Most people who buy anything that represents more than just adequate transportation are being brand snobs to a degree.
A Tato Nano would be adequate to get from A to B. A basic Subaru/Toyota/whatever would be adequate to get from A to B in a safe manner. Any requirements beyond safe, reliable transportation involve choice and that involves the dismissal of choices that are deemed inadequate.
Some of those choices involve genuine perceived ‘needs’ and some of them involve ‘wants’. I’d wager most of the deciding factors are ‘wants’.
So, assuming you’re looking within your budget, it all comes down to a matter of meeting your desires. In no order of priority:

  • Does it look how I’d like a car to look?
  • Does it have the equipment that I want?
  • Does it gel with my self-image? (this may be sub-conscious, but it’s there)
  • Does it perform the way I’d like a car to perform?
  • Does it speak to me?
  • etc etc

For me, when it comes to answering those sorts of questions, there are very few companies that could tick all the boxes – and the #1 candidate is always Saab.
I’ve said for 5 years now that my Saabs have always given me the best possible combination of comfort, safety, performance and utility for the money and I stick by that 100%.
Comparing lists on paper and numbers on a screen can lead you to draw certain conclusions, but you’ll never really know what you want until you get out there, drive the cars, spend your money and live with the consequences.
How important is fuel economy? Do you really need industry-best fuel economy on paper if the real world experience is lots of torque-driven fun and your budget means that you can live with industry-ballpark (rather than industry-best) fuel economy?
How important is it to have the best sound system in the world when a car is a less-than-ideal place to experience top-quality sound?
Does the quality of interior materials outweigh the interior design if the materials are nearly the same?
Comparisons can only do so much. The answers to the nitty gritty questions are up to the individual.
Over the last few years, I’ve either test driven or bought and sold several cars that are considered cult classics by many people and the main reason is that they never delivered the combination of things that I wanted in a car.
For me, a Saab always has.
They say that a very high proportion of people who test drive a Saab, end up buying a Saab. I don’t know what those magic trolls in Sweden do when they’re making them, but in some sort of subliminal way, I feel like I know why.
So to answer that question in the headline – why would I buy a Saab in 2010? – I’d have to say the following:

  • First and foremost……Because the cars are fantastic to own and drive.
  • Becuase they meet my needs as a driver looking for that elusive combination that speaks to me. I know that sounds touchy-feely, but it’s true.
  • Because I love the company, its history and philosophy.
  • Because I’m an engaged member of the Saab community.
  • Because for me, there’s very little else out there that would feel as right as a Saab does. That may be snobby, but it’s true.

Very few of those things show up in an internet comparison, but they’re all there.

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Spyker to launch timepieces at LeMans

April 20, 2010 in Troll Stuff

When I caught up with Victor Muller for an interview back in March, he was in Geneva and in transit from a jeweller’s shop to the motor show.
Whilst I figured he might be arranging a new watch for personal use to celebrate the Saab acquisitioin, it seems he was most likely looking into these little numbers.
The press release from Spyker:
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SPYKER TIMEPIECES ON STARTING BLOCKS
Spyker Cars N.V., the exclusive Dutch luxury sportscar manufacturer, announced today a licensing Agreement with Expressions d’Artistes International, of Geneva, to design, manufacture and distribute on a worldwide basis an exclusive collection of high-luxury wristwatches entirely made in Geneva.
spykertimepiece.jpg The Spyker Timepieces collection will consist of mechanical chronographs in 18K grey gold, 18K rose gold and steel. All timepieces will embody the sophisticated design attributes and manufacturing excellence that have made Spyker such an extraordinary super sports cars brand sought by motoring enthusiasts on all continents. Watch aficionados will be impressed by the time machines’ many features, such as a Valjoux-powered chronograph with hand-made Spyker decorations on the movement and rotor.
Each creation will be individually numbered, and sport many features such as a date indicator, power reserve, a bouchonn

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TTELA: Spyker take money from the Saab company

April 20, 2010 in News

First up, please bear in mind that I’m working almost purely from a Google translation here, including that headline. As with all electronic translations, things get lost in confusing muddle of context, syntax and grammar, so bear with me.
The following is a Googletrans of an article in TTELA (the local Trollhattan newspaper) today.
I’ve emailed Saab for some comment on this, and I’ve got a little bit of correct translated info from Erik W at the end of this piece.
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To cover losses in the Spyker company would take money from Saab Great Britain. According to Victor Muller of Spyker, this means not taking money from Saab, but from an independent company to be bought by GM.
To cover the losses of Spyker Cars, the company would take money from Saab Great Britain.
- Spyker does not take money from Saab. This is an independent company that we buy from GM, “said chairman Victor Muller.
Spyker Cars is bleeding hard. Sports car manufacturer made a loss of 220 million kronor last year. To cover up the losses the company would create a single so-called “cash pool” with the British retail company Saab Britain, where Spyker Cars can borrow money to cover losses from business news reports TV4.
The task is in a footnote in Spyker Cars accounts.
- We did not steal anything. It is of course clear in our statement, “says Saab Automobile President and CEO of Spyker Cars, Victor Muller said.
Saab GB is owned by General Motors. Spyker Cars will acquire the company for

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Saab study questions

April 20, 2010 in Saabology

It’s always good to see the youngsters interested in Saab. So when get questions from time to time from students asking about Saab, I like to try and help out where I can. Part of that is getting some wider opinions from the people who in many ways, know Saab the best – the customer.
Jan is a Dutch student who has to answer the following question…..

What price and product decisions need to be made by the management of Saab provide a 3% market share in Holland at the 31st of December 2020?

In order to answer that, Jan has a few questions of his own. I’ve passed two of those on to others who are in a better position to answer (they relate to current marketshare, etc).
But the following two might be questions that you’d like to share a little insight on, based on your knowledge of what’s going on with Saab right now.
Let’s face it, if Saab are going to grow a 3% market share in any country not named Sweden then they’re going to need the customers to do it.
The questions are as follows:

  1. What are today’s and tomorrow trends in the car business?
  2. What price- and product-strategy can by made for Saab focusing on the main-enquiry and how is this translated in a strategic-plan?
  3. What sort of strategy do you think has made those with the most growth in the last 10 years so successful (whoever those companies might be)?

Please feel free to fire away on comments.

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Saab 9-5 preliminary information – summary

April 19, 2010 in Saabology

Over the last few days I’ve presented a lot of information for you about the new Saab 9-5. This has been from a Saab document that I was fortunate enough to receive, containing some background information for certain European markets.
Most of it we had heard/seen in the press releases for the 9-5, but I think some of it gave a new and more insightful perspective on the various technologies that will be on show, as well as a preview as to some of the stuff that will come in the 2011 model year.
Please remember there are two slideshows with much of this information, and a few things I haven’t covered, over at saab.log. Here and here.
For those who missed some of the information, you can click on the links below to read each post.

Cheers, big ears.

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Saab 9-5 preliminary information – Engine Data MY2010

April 19, 2010 in Saabology

This is the final instalment in the series on preliminary information for the new Saab 9-5. I hope you’ve found it useful and informative. I haven’t covered everything that was in the document I received, but you’ll have to forgive my judgement on that one.
These images show information on the engines that will be available for MY2010. Just about all of this, if not all, is available already in the public domain, but is included here for completeness. More options will be available in 2011.
Please note, once again, that this preliminary information is for certain European markets and may not be applicable to where you are (though most of it will).
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Saab scale models – which would you choose?

April 19, 2010 in Saabology

We don’t have much time to comment on this as the manufacturer concerned has asked for comments by April 22. Still we do what we can.
This is from Ralf22, who’s working with some German Saab dealers on marketing and promotion in Germany.


German Saab dealers are complaining about the lack of little 1:87 Saab model cars as a giveaway to their customers. Of course there are the big 1:43 models. But these are much too expensive for this purpose. So we made contact with WIKING – legendary manufacturer of 1:87 model cars.
They have many classic VW, Mercedes, Opel, Ford models. They have some legendary Citroen cars and two VOLVOs. They even have such nice rarities like a “Tatra 87″. Wow. But guess what? They have absolutely NO SAAB model.
Too bad.
At the end of the upcoming week they will make decisions aboutfuture models. So there is a chance they could choose some classic SAAB model(s).
They ask worldwide Saab enthusiasts: Which classic Saab should be produced as 1:87 model? And what is your color preference? (Of course it should be a real Saab colcor of its time.)
Please have your say in comments……here are some suggestions (with apologies in advance for the mis-stated convertible – not my image)……
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Saab 9-5 preliminary information – Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Stop & Go

April 19, 2010 in Saabology

Coverage of some of the equipment in the new Saab 9-5 continues. It’s time to take a peek at the Adaptive Cruise Control system.
Please note, once again, that this preliminary information is for certain European markets and may not be applicable to where you are (though most of it will).

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Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) is the top level cruise control system providing the driver an additional convenience feature. When cruise speed is set and the car approaches slower traffic, it automatically adapts to the speed of the cars in front, between 0 and 180 km/h.
Additionally a Forward Collision Alert (FCA) is included that provides warning in case the distance to the car in front becomes too short.

  • The system employs a long range 77 GHz radar that with detection range of up to 180 meters
  • After the system is activated and the speed set, the system is able to comfortably follow a lead vehicle up to 180 km/h
  • The system is able to comfortably follow the lead vehicle down to a gentle stop, holding the brakes without driver assistance
  • After vehicle has automatically stopped, the driver can resume system by tapping the accelerator. Automatic cruise will resume with previously used settings
  • System provides feedback to the driver with icons in main instrument and HUD to indicate system is tracking and safely following (in addition to other system status information)
  • In case the distance to the lead vehicle becomes too short, a visual and audible warning is provided.

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Senior Saab execs to attend Saab Owners Convention – Ohio 2010

April 19, 2010 in News

Via the Saab Club of North America website:

The Saab Club of North America is extremely excited to announce that Saab-Spyker Automobile CEO Victor Muller, Saab CEO Jan

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Saab 9-5 preliminary information – Lane Departure Warning System

April 18, 2010 in Saabology

Coverage of some of the equipment in the new Saab 9-5 continues. It’s time to take a peek at the Lane Departure Warning a and Traffic Sign Recognition systems.
Please note, once again, that this preliminary information is for certain European markets and may not be applicable to where you are (though most of it will).

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The LDW system monitors the vehicle’s lane position and provides a warning if the lane markings are unintentionally crossed without the turn indicator being activated. There is no warning when line markings are intentionally crossed during active driving
Only a few seconds of distraction can lead to a dangerous traffic situation, when the vehicle unintentionally leaves its lane. With the help of a camera the unintended lane departure is detected.
The TSR system detects ‘speed limit’ and ‘no overtake’ signs and displays them for the driver e.g. speed limit can be continuously displayed supporting avoidance of speeding violations and safer driving.
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  • Above 60 km/h the system is activated and warns the driver in the event of the vehicle leaving the lane unintentionally.
  • To support the ‘Sporty driver focus’, the system is designed to not warn when lane is intentionally left during active driving.
  • The function can be deactivate with the LDW button beside the gear shifter

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Traffic Sign Recongnition

  • The system supports the driver to keep an eye on speed limits and not overtake in appropriately
  • Detects both conventional static and dynamic signs
  • Information is shown in the main instrument cluster. It is provided when the traffic sign is passed and remains available until new information detected.

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Sunday Snippets

April 18, 2010 in Saabology

The young design students we’ve been following are now adding wheels to the clay model.
Incas!!! Cool choice!
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Earlier this week, there was an entry on my RSS feed from a blog that read as follows:

….Saab Cars North America is planning on acquiring only 14% of 28 cars in the Saab USA Heritage Collection. The remaining 24 vehicles or 86% of the collection will be auctioned off by GM.

When I clicked on the headline, I got a 404 error – the story had been removed. The big question is whether it was removed because it was incorrect, or because Saab/GM don’t want people to know this yet?
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From Electronista, for those whom it might effect:

Car maker Saab Cars North America, which recently was bought by Spyker, from GM, has made an agreement with OnStar to keep offering the subscription service to future Saab buyers. All model year 2010 and newer Saabs sold in the United States will be covered under the deal. The service is free for one year for buyers of the Saab 9-3 Aero and Saab 9-5 models and includes navigation guidance and emergency help.

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This is worth looking at, especially for the interior photos.
The gearchange alone will make the time spent worthwhile.
I hate to go all country and western on you, but they don’t make ‘em like that any more.
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The Local proves that Swedish press can still be complete a$$es when it comes to Saab reporting.
Nice to see some have taken them to task in comments.
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I won’t be covering my Alfa here at all, which I’m sure will be a relief to some.
It’ll be covered, along with a mere smattering of news (when I get time) over at Toro Grosso.

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Saab 9-5 preliminary information – HUD

April 18, 2010 in Saabology

Coverage of some of the equipment in the new Saab 9-5 continues. This time, the head up display,a feature that many people have been asking for for a long time now.
Please note, once again, that this preliminary information is for certain European markets and may not be applicable to where you are (though most of it will).

  • “Eyes on road”: In the same way as a fighter pilot, the driver will be able to get the most driver critical information in the windscreen.
  • Helps relieve driving stress
  • Driver important information such as vehicle speed, tachometer, out side temperature, turn indicators, high beam, navigation symbols, compass (US) and warning messages.

Requires: Requires ADM and Rainsensor.
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The HUD is packaged in the upper part of the instrument panel in front of the driver. The information is reflected in the HUD unique front windscreen (equipped with a special film for superior reflection).
Driver important information such as vehicle speed, tachometer, outside temperature, turn indicators, high beam, navigation symbols, compass (US) and warning messages.
The HUD is Controlled with buttons on the left side of the steering wheel including height on/off, information selection as well as adjustment of projection available to adjust for driver position.

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