Saab 9-4x comparison table

“Me” has put together another table of useful information (his previous one was in relation to the low emissions Saab 9-3 TTiD).

This one is concerned with Saab 9-4x competitors in the US market and once again it makes for interesting reading. The Lexus is the king of this sector and will likely remain so for some time, but the 9-4x matches the rest of the field on paper quite handily. The combination of size, power and price makes the Saab quite competitive in the field.

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* the base XWD price for the Saab 9-4x has not been released yet, but the base model is stated in this table. A price of $2,000 more or thereabouts is considered appropriate, but is still an estimate. “Premium” editions of the 3.0V6 start at just over $38,000.

Thanks once again to “Me” for the information. Hopefully I’ve transcribed it all correctly 🙁

74stingray
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74stingray
5 years 9 months ago

Indeed the RX350 is super popular around this area to a point I am sick of seeing them. I have said this a million times, the 9-4x will sell wonderfully in the Philadelphia region. Lots of soccer moms and people wanting to drive something different.

Just need to let the buying people know, Saab is still alive!

Bernard
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Bernard
5 years 9 months ago
Interesting that the diesel options don’t get outstanding fuel mileage (no better than the base 9-4x). They do trend toward the portly end of the scale, so I guess there’s only so much a diesel engine can do. I do agree that the Lexus is the one to beat. I haven’t driven the latest one, but the previous model was the best balanced of the bunch. The German options tried to add “sportiness,” but they were just rough in my opinion, with no real handling benefit. I imagine that the SRX would match up with the 9-4x? In that case,… Read more »
ivo 71
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ivo 71
5 years 9 months ago
‘…German options…are just rough with no real handling benefit’. Let’s remain at least somewhat objective here. The petrol-engined BMW X5 AWD, which I have driven, is an excellent combination of power and handling and offers the roadholding and comfort of a high-class passenger car as well as the ride height and space of an SUV/crossover. It may not be everybody’s cup of tea in terms of appearance but it IS one heck of a great vehicle in the city and on the open road. It is, however, not the best choice for rough terrain because of its lack of ride… Read more »
Bernard
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Bernard
5 years 9 months ago
The ones that I’ve driven had a strange combination of body roll and a harsh suspension. The engine was very powerful, but it felt like an American car in that you could only use the power in a straight line. Being BMWs, there were probably dozens of different suspension/tyre/engine options over the years, so we may just have driven different combinations. For one thing, I know that at least one of the X5s I drove had ride height adjustment (the owner once had to get it towed back to BMW because the suspension had collapsed). The Lexus doesn’t handle very… Read more »
ivo 71
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ivo 71
5 years 9 months ago
So maybe the difference is in an US vs. Europe-oriented suspension setup. I drove a 3-litre Euro-version with, as far as I know, no extra sporty stuff and actually experienced less body roll than in my -pretty sportily adapted- 90002.3 FPT with reasonably hard PU-bushings, gas sports shocks etc. underneath. Maybe the archetypal expectation of many Americans is that SUV’s are actually supposed to wallow around corners? I mean, GM and such do (I also own a Suburban…) unless tuned, so perhaps that’s why they expect such roadholding behavior from other SUV’s as well ? And BMW just obliges? Ivo
No.9
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No.9
5 years 9 months ago

Excellent work Me.
The 9-4x is no game changer in this booming and competitive segment but is by no means ridiculous. It will give SAAB a surefooted and much needed entry in this area and that’s exactly what management is expecting from the SRX sibling. Looking at this table, there is no reason for the 9-4x not to meet the expectations.
I hope this table can be made available to dealers!

nodrog
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nodrog
5 years 9 months ago
I love these tables and am glad that someone else does the work. Thanks. No one needs to worry about the Saab selling well in the US. The SRX factory still can barely keep up with SRX demand. The platform has exactly what this market wants today. There are only two issues 1) will the interior will look deluxe enough to appeal to the kind of people who buy these things? 2) will the cars on the dealer lots have the right combination of options and price to make the sale? On the diesels, note that Lexus does not offer… Read more »
Paul Guinnessy
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Paul Guinnessy
5 years 9 months ago

Shouldn’t the Volvo XC60 base be included too? As you’ve only got the turbo up on the list, not the standard 3.2L.

Bravada
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5 years 9 months ago

Coolness! Where’s the SRX tho?

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

Values are identical to the 9-4x, prices higher 😉

900_S
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900_S
5 years 9 months ago
I agree the Lexus is pretty common and that the 9-4X looks like it’s a mighty contender. What really stood out to me, though, is how much the mileage figures match standard CARS of the day. I guess that’s not too surprising since the engine specs in SUVs/CUVs aren’t that different from cars. But still, I’d have thought cars would have greatly improved mileage nowadays. And I mean better gas mileage across the board, not just the one light, compact hybrid that performs marginally better than internal combustion engines ten years ago. Just a little rant. 🙂 Back on topic,… Read more »
Thylmuc
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Thylmuc
5 years 9 months ago

OT, but frustrating: German “Autozeitung ” published a reader survey with devastating results for Saab. They ranked last (32nd) place in reliabillity and 7th in service. Only 52% of all respondands had NO unscheduled repairs (Dacia 83, Porsche 67, Mercedes 61, Audi 54%). in respect to engines, and electronics, they ranked worst. In ten component categories each showing the ten worst brands, Saab managed to get 6 entries (Audi, BMW, Volvo: 3, Mercedes though: 8).

Service was a mixed bag too, with pre-sale service excellent, but post sale experience bad (Repair shop service rank 22, waranty rank 30, obligingness rank 22)

ivo 71
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ivo 71
5 years 9 months ago

So how does this compare to the large-scale ADAC/TÜV survey in which the 9-3 came out as best-in-class for quality /reliability? I am really getting fed up with all those magazine-organized so-called surveys which totally contradict the results of statistically correct surveys carried out by organizations that cán be taken seriously.

Ivo

bjorn
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bjorn
5 years 9 months ago

Excatly

ivo 71
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ivo 71
5 years 9 months ago

Now I understand why I couldn’t find them on the ADAC site. The tables are from DEKRA. For non-German/European readers: DEKRA is one of the two German institutions (the other is TÜV) who carry out the periodical roadworthiness testing of automobiles on behalf of the German authorities. Pretty tough tests, too.

For good measure: this is the link to the ADAC-result list concerning build quality per brand, also based on DEKRA stats:

The same applies here -regarding the source- that I wrote in the previous post.

Ivo

Thylmuc
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Thylmuc
5 years 9 months ago
Haven’t got the faintest idea; and must say that it als surprised me. But this not about unfulfilled expectations, but hard facts. You either go to the repair shop, or you don’t. It is also interesting that Saab dealerships really excel in the sales department. Maybe since also such pre-puchase impressions were inquired, there was a bias towards younger cars; while in contrast, the TÜV is more relevant to older cars. Strange it remains though. Even in this case, the survey would point to a quality problem with younger cars which in turn may show Saab having overdone the cost… Read more »
ivo 71
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ivo 71
5 years 9 months ago
The ranking of best-in-class for the 9-3 in the ADAC survey I referred to -and which was also mentioned on SU a while ago- concerned middle-class cars with 0-50.000 km on the odometer (Laufleistung). See here: This table is for cars between 50.000 and 100.000 km on the clock. Not bad either. Both imho directly contradict the strange findings published by Autozeitung. This is a part-transcript from the 2010 ADAC survey based on TÜV results. Couldn’t find the original location so I posted links to a private web location of an SF NL member who had copied them from the… Read more »
ivo 71
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ivo 71
5 years 9 months ago

The correction re. sources for the above tables has been accidentally placed three positions above this one.

Ivo

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

Some words on which other SUV I used for the comparison.
I tried to find cars comparable to the Aero version, and of a similar size, then I’ve added the Q5,X3 and XC60 just to show that those cars are simply smaller than the 9-4X, and thus not quite comparable.

jchan2
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jchan2
5 years 9 months ago

I thought I read somewhere that the Aero 9-4X model will have a base price in the mid $40s? There is no way it seems like Saab would price it under $40k when Cadillac is asking nearly $48k for a similar SRX 2.8T model.

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

jchan2,
read the table once again.
9-4X (Base) 34k
9-4X Aero 48k

jchan2
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jchan2
5 years 9 months ago

oops! Just now noticed it!

Smithy
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5 years 9 months ago

The 9-4x seems quite affordable in comparison with the others.

Smithy
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5 years 9 months ago

Why the heck aren’t my comments showing up in the ‘fiery Saab’ post? Technical issues? I’ve tried to reply to “No9” but it refused to post, just a refresh and nothing. Not browser-related I tell you, tried with both IE and Chrome.

Very weird.

In a cruel twist, my spam filter is holding up any comments that include links with images.saabsunited.com in the address. It seems my own images section is thought to be spammy. I’ve manually approved the comment. Sorry for the inconvenience. – SW

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 9 months ago

Maybe your comments are too ‘Saab negative’ to pass the SaabsUnited filters?

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

No.9
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No.9
5 years 9 months ago

You can always do it here 🙂

Smithy
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5 years 9 months ago

I was just asking if you’re going to buy the new 9-5. But that’s a pretty heavy thing to do, economically speaking.

Nevertheless that -01 of yours seem to be working fine. 😉

No.9
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No.9
5 years 9 months ago

Indeed. I changed so many parts on it, fortunately a lot on warranty, including the engine, that I see no reason to change at this point. It’s still a great highway cruiser and a great car in the snow. It has grown to be reliable as time goes by. The next 9-3 might be more our fit next time around. Nevertheless, should I win at the lottery, the new 9-5 SC xwd would be my choice.

Smithy
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5 years 9 months ago

Oh well, thanks Steven, 🙂

Tomas TL1000R
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Tomas TL1000R
5 years 9 months ago

Swedish airforce at its best. Merry christmas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbiSo3ApGdw

Tomas TL1000R
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Tomas TL1000R
5 years 9 months ago
Henrik
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Henrik
5 years 9 months ago

crazy! But I´d like to try 🙂

David
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David
5 years 9 months ago

the XC60 w/ T6 is an outstanding value among those listed. Also note the newly revised T6 motor (305 HP/325 Ft-Lbs) was just named one of Ward’s 10 best engines. the 2011.5 XC60 gets the new tuned motor.

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

As I’ve said before, the XC60 is a smaller CUV/SUV. If its size is OK with you, then it is for sure a good car, although I don’t like the looks. But the real competitor to the 9-4X is the ageing XC90.

Smithy
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5 years 9 months ago

@GerritN

Nah, that’s of course not the issue.
Irrational criticism isn’t too welcome though and I agree with that, such comments belong at DI etc.

Rune
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Rune
5 years 9 months ago

Smithy, did you post any links? That usually ferries comments into the moderated queue.

J Fan
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J Fan
5 years 9 months ago

Well done, Me.

Now, if only Saab could get the US public to look at this table! 🙂

On other non-Saab car forums, the 9-4X styling often gets praised, at least from what I’ve seen. So, hopefully that 9-4X will do well in America. The price does seem to be right.

Ck1x
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Ck1x
5 years 9 months ago

Now this table really gives a good indication of how the 9-4x actually stacks up against the competition. I always thought the fuel mileage sucked, but it is compariable with what’s out there and the price Is right as well! I really would gave like the 2.0 turbo better though and think it could have given it a better edge in the fuel department. It’s not a question of if these will sell. It’s more can we be just as competitive against all the car manufacturers listed in that table

NJ_Nick
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NJ_Nick
5 years 9 months ago

Goood job Me! Although, you might want to consider whether some of the competition offer 3rd row seating. This could be one reason why some would consider e.g. an XC90 over a 9-4x (or a XC60 for that matter).

Manlius
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Manlius
5 years 9 months ago

If the base model of the 9-4x is well-appointed and this price is accurate, I predict that this vehicle will sell very, very well in the US.

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

Manlius
http://saabsunited.saabklubben.se/2010/11/saab-9-4x-to-have-five-models-here-are-the-specs.html
here you can see what you can expect for the 34.000$.
And yes the price is accurate.

Jake
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Jake
5 years 9 months ago

My brother is test-driving new CUVs to buy, and he likes the Q5 and the 2011 Lincoln MKX. Is it possible to add that vehicle to this chart?

Thanks!

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 9 months ago

offtopic – Normally every two years in the middle of january there is an autoshow in vienna. this year there was one about th 14th of january. so the next one would be in 2012.

but there is another autoshow in january in 2011 (at the same date)
http://www.auto2011.at/ 🙂 a really nice mix of manufacturers .

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 9 months ago

oh i have forgotten to say – it s at the same location on the exhibition fair in vienna

Saintjohn
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Saintjohn
5 years 9 months ago

Thanks for the link, I didn’t know that. But there will be only cars of the Volkswagen group (VW, Audi, Porsche, Seat, etc.)?

Ante
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Ante
5 years 9 months ago

Off topic:

http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/nyheter/hemlig-rapport-om-spyker-agare-slappt_5806695.svd

Government report on Antonov partially released…

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago
I think Mr. Fröberg should stop writing boring articles and only write books, as he has a good writing style, but he misses the point when he has to show that his facts are true. Only two chapters from the five chapters from the report are made public. And because the old DI-SvD assumptions are not confirmed by this first two chapters, the other three will confirm it (he is sure about that). And my preferred quote A curiosity is the grandfather of Vladimir Antonov, who now stands behind Saab – Yuri Antonov – was one of the founders of… Read more »
Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 9 months ago

Oh.. but “Me”.. there you have it why GM stopped Antonov from the start. They were afraid that the old ghost of Yuri would fly out from Vladimir’s hat and talk about the studies of the epicenter.. very very horrible.. as GM are afraid of ghosts like a child is afraid of the monster under the bed.. 😉

Greg Abbott
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Greg Abbott
5 years 9 months ago

The listing for the BMW X5 is interesting at $46,300. My experience shopping BMW is that they have a low list price for vehicles with few or no options, but there is never a vehicle in stock without several thousands of dollars in additional “features” (most of which aren’t really optional, but necessary to be market competitive).

Good luck finding an X5 for less than $50,000. I couldn’t find one when I was helping a friend a couple of years ago.

lala
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lala
5 years 9 months ago

Remember we talked about 3.0 diesel from VM motori being a possible fit for Saab? I believe VM bought the engine from chrysler or something, I don’t recall compoletely. But it seems like it will end up in the ng chrysler 300c (or rebadged as a lancia thesis).
BTW what Fiat is doing right now with the rebadging looks an awful lot like what GM did to Saab… Just a thought.

lala
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lala
5 years 9 months ago

Soryr, to be clear: I meant that GM backed out of the 3.0 diesel project, that they had in collaboration with VM motori

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 9 months ago

Lancia will be the next rebadging victim. It´s awful to see such an rally icon and traditional brand going this way. Remember the Delta or the Fulvia.

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 9 months ago

only 2 months ago there was a report about marchionnes plans with chrysler and lancia in an austrian car magazine. most of the dealers lost there contracts. the very popular voyager (was produced also in graz by magna steyr) should be rebadged as a lancia.

lancia sales also rely on a hardcore fanbase (most like the old rally tradition or the italophilc design) but after planning rebadging chryslers there is realy fire in lancia blogs forums

Steve
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Steve
5 years 9 months ago

Acura RDX is a comparable vehicle I would think.
Pricing:
RDX $32,620
RDX SH-AWD $34,620
RDX with Technology Package $35,720
RDX SH-AWD with Technology Package $37,720

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 9 months ago

Acuras are no comparable vehicles. I can´t understand why everyone compares SAAB with acuras.

Talladegan
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Talladegan
5 years 9 months ago

I didn’t know what an Acura was so I just took a look at the RDX on the Acura site and, to be frank, it looks very low rent compared to a Saab to my eyes. Not convinced this is a direct competitor AT ALL. The interior is particularly tacky looking to me. Yuck.

Having said that…’one man’s meat is another man’s poison’ and all that stuff.

Joe
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Joe
5 years 9 months ago

Probably a matter of taste as pointed out. According to this site, an Acura ranks second in categories ‘Luxury mid SUVs’ and ‘Luxury crossover SUVs’, aggregating 81 underlying reviews and test drives.

Joe
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Joe
5 years 9 months ago
steve
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steve
5 years 9 months ago

I just thought it should be added because it is considered a near-luxury vehicle and a Turbo.

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

it is smaller than the 9-4x and it is lighter than any other CUV (3743-3942) on the list, but has worse EPA values than the 9-4X.

And I won’t say anything about the looks. 😉

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

Maybe I update the list over the weekend and pass it to Swade.
So if somebody wants to see a CUV/SUV in the list, pleas put it in the comments. 🙂

Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 9 months ago
Could you put the Cayenne base (V6, diesel) and Infiniti FX (V6, diesel)? Pretty direct competitors. Great work Me! I made a graphic a month or so ago showing some comparisons in size, flickr shrunk the file to a miniscule size, I’ll have to reupload it when I have some time. Either way, nice to see them all on one page. The blue overlay is the 9-4x showing the exact difference in size. Feel free to use it if you want to get even more multimedia savvy beyond the spreadsheet. I like having this post as a solid reference. Pity… Read more »
Jake
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Jake
5 years 9 months ago

2011 Lincoln MKX
Thanks!

MitchbSC
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MitchbSC
5 years 9 months ago

Let’s hope Saab gets the 9-4X 2.8 engine sorted out unlike Cadillac. My wife just called from the side of the road. Her 2010 Cadillac SRX 2.8T engine possibly just grenade’d like the one in Europe from earlier this year. Heavy pinging that would not stop (even getting off the gas), a loud pop, then smoke.

The vehicle was current on service bulletins. OnStar is coming in handy … police and fire enroute.

MitchbSC
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MitchbSC
5 years 9 months ago

The SRX is at the dealership now. Initial report is that it is “leaking oil badly” and this “may be catastrophic.”

My wife is fine. Much less scary than the 9-7X that blew the airbags in May 2008. No police or fire required. Just a flatbed tow.

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 9 months ago
Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago
Maybe you may thank Bosh for destroying your car. If you are having the same problem as the cars from the recall, you can send a thank you letter to Bosch for their inferior Engine management software. Trionic has a knok sensor, and if you fuel “regular” petrol it will do anything to keep your engine in a piece, like lowering the max Turbo pressure. (any engine expert may correct me) The Bosch Motronic Software version used by Cadillac seems to wait til the engine falls apart 😉 As this is the same engine as used in the 9-5 Aero,… Read more »
MitchbSC
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MitchbSC
5 years 9 months ago

Thanks. I’ll start drafting that letter now. 🙂

The vehicle was refueled this morning. U.S. Premium grade … or so that’s what the pump and the receipt said … from a well-known gas station chain. Their product has never given us trouble before.

We had the SRX at the dealership once or twice before for knocking. The fuel was blamed and we avoided premium fuel from the grocery store chain and another gas station chain used when the knock was experienced.

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago
Let me put it this way. Saab has said, that they have tuned the engine management so it fits more to a Saab. Let us hope that they got all the bugs from that software corrected. P.S.: I thought the 9-5 BioPower4 was the way to go, now I know it is the way to go !!!! (disclaimer: I don’t really know what is causing the problem, but if the guys in Oz build all the LAU (GM code for that engine) engines, I only see the petrol and the engine management as possible causes. And I would discard the… Read more »
Rune
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Rune
5 years 9 months ago

AFAIK you can use “european” regular gas on the 9-5, you just have less power and higher consume, Saab just recommends you to use premium gas

So 98 is a better choice than 95, unless the price is significantly higher? (10%?)

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

Rune,
European regular is 91 RON, can’t remember if I ever saw that in Sweden.
OTOH, Saab recommends to use 95 RON and Hirsch 98 RON.

Rune
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Rune
5 years 9 months ago

Thanks, I remember now. I again got confused by “premium gas”, forgetting the exact difference between European and US gasoline.

I now have 8600 km on the odometer. I still haven’t put in any gasoline. I have only been using E85, even though I suspect I’d actually save a few pennies if I put some 95 RON on the tank. (E85 is, strangely enough, noticably cheaper in Norway than in Sweden at the moment…)

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

Rune,
I have no BioPower Saab yet, but here it is quite easy to do the maths.
E85 0,95 €/l
Petrol95 1,40€/l (and going up)
The Petrol price is over 40% higher, do you think the fuel consumption is also 40% higher ??
Or the other way around.
If your car has now an average consumption of 13l/100km, this value has to go down to at least 8,8l /100km for a brake even 😉

Rune
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Rune
5 years 9 months ago
Me, in the part of Sweden where I live, the price per liter is 9.89. I do not know what mileage I would get with normal gasoline, but we’ve often been told “30%”. That means the break-even point happens when gasoline costs less than 12.85 SEK. (and I think that happens to be the price now) Saab said this summer that the engine is more efficient with E85 compared to past models, so hopefully the 30% difference has been significantly reduced. My 9000 claimed it managed 8.3 liter / 100 km… So another way of looking at it is that… Read more »
MitchbSC
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MitchbSC
5 years 9 months ago

Thanks to S-U. I was aware of the recall. We had the dealership check for the engine software bulletin at time of purchase. My vehicle apparently was built after the range of VINs under recall.

SRX recall article here at S-U

MitchbSC
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MitchbSC
5 years 9 months ago

Update. The engine threw a rod. Threw it through the side of the engine. GM is replacing the engine. Immediate speculation by dealership service personnel is rod metallurgy issues. I still have money on the “mega-knocking” issue.

Me
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Me
5 years 9 months ago

Incredible !!!!
Hope you get to know what really happened to that rod. 😉

No.9
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No.9
5 years 9 months ago

You mean like push rod… or like dinosaur technology. Maybe SAAB should enter NASCAR…

MitchbSC
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MitchbSC
5 years 9 months ago

Piston rod.

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