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Help needed – Geneva accommodation

January 31, 2011 in Troll Stuff

It seems we may have only one of two attending the Geneva show. I had to scratch and argue to get my accreditation, which only came through yesterday after initially being denied. RedJ’s is not looking rosy at this point.

That said, with such a late confirmation of attendance, accommodation is going to be a massive hassle to find.

Just wondering – has anyone here got any local knowledge as to where to look. I’m assuming that as with every other year, Geneva itself is completely booked out. Consequently I might need to stay somewhere within commuting distance.

If anyone has a suitable lead, or suitable advice, please let me know via email (swade99-at-gmail-dot-com)

Cheers,

SW

UPDATE:

I’m not 100% sure about SW plans, but I think he/we needs accommodation for 3 nights, coming at the 28th of February and leaving on the 3rd of May.

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SU Hi-Po Challenge – Entry #2

January 31, 2011 in Saabology

This second entry in the SU Hi-Po challenge.

It comes from Jon C, who freely acknowledges that he’s strayed from the rules laid out. Still, I said I’d publish….. and I appreciate the efforts.

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“A sports car…that would be my dream car for Kia …it will happen. Not today not next year, but it will slowly happen. You can’t do halo cars until you have the foundations to support them.”

Peter Schreyer, Kia Design, Car Magazine, Feb 2011

When fan boys blog on SU about how Saab needs a Halo car, I usually roll my eyes and stop reading. My view is that if you want a car with a 400bhp V-anything, do yourself a favour and acknowledge the fact that you really want a BMW or Mercedes. Cars are about more than bragging down the Golf Club or in the school playground. I think a halo car is a bad idea.

That said the challenge laid down by Swade did get me thinking. A lot of people think that a halo car is a big powerful sports car, and to be fair it usually is. But, the MX5, Toyota MR2 and the Audi TT may have been sports cars but they were not particularly powerful back in the day. The golf GTi is the ultimate halo car for me (the entire reputation of Volkswagen is based on the Mk2 GTi) and it had 110bhp at the start!

I am now starting to veer wildly off Swades set objective but indulge me.

The 350-brake rule was set because lots of people foolishly think that more power is the only answer. I think that’s pretty short sighted. Lets look at some numbers.

BMW 335i – 302bhp, 0-60 5.6 Seconds, 1610kg
Renault Megane R26.R – 227bhp, 0-60 5.8 Seconds, 1220kg
Hirsch 9-3 2.0T – 240Bhp, 0-60 6.9 Seconds, 1600kg

So, to achieve performance on a par with Audi S models, and a 335i the 9-3 needs to lose about 400kg. And I thought I had a weight problem.

So what goes?
• Seats – replaced by a carbon-fibre units. Front and Rear.
• Air Con. (but still an option)
• Sound System (head unit, amp, speakers) (but still an option)
• The hardboard boot/trunk floor.
• The spare wheel.
• Rear electric window motors
• Wheels, replace with lighter alloys.
• Windows, replaced with polycarbonate.
• Bonnet, Wings and boot lid replaced with plastic parts (quite common especially on French cars).
• Replace suspension components where they can with lighter parts, through the use of 3D metal printing technology (see EVO February).
• No 4wd, no auto box.

Does this save 400kg? Probably not as 400 kg is a BIG ask (Renault took about 150kg out of the Megane). The weight reduction is as much about handling as performance (MX5 / TT).

The Jaguar XJ220 and the original Golf GTi started as “after hours” projects by committed engineers who wanted to see if they could do it. Budgets were non-existent and resources limited. I fully appreciate any Saab engineer reading this and thinking “cheeky bugger” but my point is, what I am proposing has been done before and at a (relatively) low cost.

The current 9-3 is also the basis of the next 9-3 and mods developed for the halo car can be wrapped up in the development cost of the new 9-3.

The engine is off the shelf. The main costs would be the windows and wings/bonnet/boot.

None of the above requires a great deal of money, and some actually save money! I would also suggest that each car will LOSE money, possibly to the tune of £25 000 per unit. However to keep losses to a minimum I propose a run of 150 cars. The funding to come out of the marketing budget. Why a loss? Because I intend to sell it for LESS than an Aero model (I mean be reasonable it doesn’t even have a radio!). UK price £24999.

Looking at the spec above you will see this car is NOT for the poseur. It is a lightweight, stripped out performance car, if you want gadgets and a V8; well the Audi show room is that way, sir. It is not created to make money or to even sell more 9-3s. It exists to hi-light that Saab is alive and to remind folks that Saab can handle.

Please feel free to rip into this one; there are holes in this you can drive a tank through. For my money Saab needs a Golf GTi or a TT for a halo car, not an M3 chaser that will always come second in road tests and that is a few years away.

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Saab 9-5 in Polish poll

January 31, 2011 in Saabology

UPDATE:

The 9-5 is currently in the third round, and up against the formidable Alfa Romeo Giulietta.

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UPDATE:

Having won round 1, the 9-5 is now up against the Peugeot RCZ.

Please click here if you feel like having your say.

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Everyone’s running a car of the year poll these days, including Moto.pl

Theirs is a little different in that cars are pitted against one another in a bracket arrangement. The Saab 9-5 has to defeat the BMW X3 before it can move on to the second round, where it will take on either the Peugeot RCX or the Ford C-Max.

Yes, the pairings are a little obtuse, but in the end, there can still be only one.

If you feel like having a vote, click here and scroll down until the bracket arrangement appears (it may take a few moments).

If the 9-5 gets past the X3, you may called to perform this service once again (and again, and again)

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Report: Subaru to build Legacy and Outback in Trollhattan

January 31, 2011 in News

UPDATE II:

OK…..

The exact nature of the story isn’t clear, but further communication indicates that there will be something going on here, relating to work being done using Saabs facilities, but nothing like cars actually being built on the site.

It seems the exact nature of the engagement will be announced later today.

UPDATE:

The initial reports spoke only of things from the Subaru side. There was no comment from Saab.

The first report mentioned was at Dagens Industri (at this URL), but they seem to have removed the report. Other services such as TTELA, Swedish Radio and SVD ran the report as well.

The initial contact that I’ve been able to make with Saab, via email, indicates that this story is most likely in error. There are further checks taking place, but right now it looks like this was a speculative report based on some comments from a Subaru executive.

If I hear anything more, I’ll let you know.

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This is just hitting the news services in Sweden…..

From TTELA:

Subaru wants to develop in Trollhättan

TROLLHÄTTAN – Japanese car giants Subaru wants to develop two of its car models in Trollhättan. The plans have been confirmed by Subaru Nordic’s CEO Torbjorn Lillrud.
Subaru plans to further develop the model Legacy and Outback for gas.

Torbjorn Lillrud stated the following to Dagens Indusri, DI:

- It is unique to a foreign car company will start manufacturing in Sweden of a model that is partly developed in Sweden.

According to DI Legacy and Outback rebuilt in Saab Automobile’s facility in Trollhättan.

Victor Muller’s very keen to drive down Saab’s break even point and increase profitability. One way to do that is to reduce costs. The other is to bring in outside revenue.

Sure beats building windmills :-)

I’ll trace other reports and see if there’s anything more to report about this.

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SU Hi-Po Challenge – entry #1

January 31, 2011 in Saabology

This is the first submission received in the SU Hi-Po Challenge.

It comes from Eric H, in California.

The first sentence sums up the dilemma nicely, but Eric does go on to elucidate how he’d think about doing a higher performance model.

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I’d love to see a high performance option from Saab but they need to have a solid model lineup across the board first, so until the new (or at least extremely refreshed) 9-3 is introduced in a year or so I wouldn’t introduce a new performance trim level on the current car. Also given the time it takes for things like durability and emission testing we probably won’t see a high performance halo car before that time anyways unless it had already been in the works which doesn’t seem likely and I haven’t heard of anything planned in this regard for the new 9-5.

Looking at the model lineup within the next couple years we’ll have a heavily refreshed/new 9-3, the 9-4x and the recently introduced 9-5. For a performance “halo” type car we can probably rule out the 9-4x. While the 9-5 is a great car it’s also pretty big and on the heavy side. To significantly improve performance would require a dramatic increase in power which would come at the expense of fuel economy and increased emissions which goes against what Saab is moving towards in their goal of responsible performance. We can also speculate there’s a chance for a new 9-1 or 9-2, and while I’d love to see one sold that has a performance trim level such as an Aero model, it wouldn’t make sense to have your base, entry level model as the halo car.

That leaves us with the 9-3. This next car may be using what Saab calls their Phoenix platform but in reality it’s still just the original GM Epsilon architecture* which Saab had already tweaked enough to be somewhat different from other GM models (for example the internal controversy of the 9-3 convertible not being able to share parts/platforms when Pontiac was developing their G6 convertible due to the changes Saab made). With GM still retaining a major stake in Saab and with part sharing and other agreements still in place that opens up a wide range of components that Saab could use to build a next generation Turbo X-like halo vehicle, but instead this time backing it up with a true performance increase.

* Phoenix is a fully Saabified platform using Epsilon as a starting point. It will be fully customised to Saabs needs, and be extremely flexible, underpinning future 9-3, 9-4x and 9-5 vehicles. I’m personally very wary of calling it “just the original GM Epsilon architecture” – SW

Assuming that at least for the next couple years Saab will continue to use some or all powertrains sourced from GM and the current 9-3 and 9-5 are already using the 2.0L Ecotec, if I were building a performance 9-3 I’d start with a high output version of the GM “LNF” 2.0L direct injection, turbocharged four*. The current LDK/LHU variant that powers GM cars as well as the 9-5 produces only 220hp and 258 ft-lbs of torque and is less than the older LNF’s 260/260 ratings when it was used in cars like the Cobalt SS Turbo, the HHR SS, and the GM roadsters. The reduction in power in for the LHU version used in the 9-5 and other cars was more than likely for emission and economy reasons although the Buick Regal GS is expected to get a version of the LHU making 255hp and 295 ft-lbs or torque.

*Note: According to RedJ, the LNF will not pass Euro5 emissions, making this engine a no-go for Europe. The car will need to be sold around the world. Not dead yet, though……- SW

As the turbocharger and Bosch direct injection system didn’t change on these new variants and GM could continue to use the LNF or have an updated version of the LHU supporting similar power (like the upcoming Regal GS), all that would be required for say 300 hp and 335 ft-lbs of torque would be a recalibration of the Bosch engine management system. GM already spent the development dollars testing and certifying this when they released a dealer installed sensor upgrade and computer reflash for the LNF engine via GM Performance Parts that brings it up to 290 hp and 340 ft-lbs of torque and aftermarket tuning has shown it can support power levels significantly higher than that.

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Charles River Saab 100K Clinic

January 31, 2011 in Saabology

If you’ve got an older Saab, you’d probably love to have someone with 30 years Saab experience take a peek over it and lead you through a review of the entire car, yes?

Next time Charles River Saab holds one of these 100K clinics, I’d suggest you sign up.

Luke Lewis did, and here’s the report he shot through via email today.

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On Saturday, January 29th, Charles River SAAB hosted a 100K- Mile Clinic, which was open to anyone with a SAAB that had 100K or over on it. The idea behind this clinic (from my perspective) was to bring people in and give them a chance to not only meet the people who work on their vehicles, but also give those customers an opportunity to see their vehicle from a Tech’s perspective.

I was there with some other members of NESA (New England SAAB Association). I tagged along with my buddy, Ryan, who brought in his 9000CS.

The day started with an introduction from Pierre (to introduce the technicians and customers). We then went with the Tech to the car, did the initial walk-around. We then got in the car and went for a brief test drive. The entire time, the Tech was telling us what he was looking for.

When we got back, we went inside to the Service area and through the car up on the lift. Our Tech was Peter and he gave us an extremely thorough walk-down on this car and was extremely descriptive in his actions. (Note from Luke – Peter, a service tech for SAAB for 30 years previously drove a 9000Aero and knew this car inside and out).

(Note from Swade – I met Peter Maitland at Swedish Car Day last year and his knowledge is indeed Britannica-ic when comes to Saabs. He’s also got a nice little collection of them, too, including Ol’ Blue and a Saabo caravan).

I have provided some pictures of the event.

I wanted to thank Charles River SAAB, Pierre, and Peter for this awesome experience.

  • Pic 1: Peter (Tech in the driver’s seat) and Ryan in the passenger seat – getting ready for the test drive.
  • Pic 2: Fellow SAABer, Mike M, was getting a detailed walk around with his Tech on his 9-5 Aero SC.
  • Pic 3: Down the way, an other customer was taking advantage of this opportunity with her 9-5 Sedan.
  • Pic 4: With gloves on, both Peter and Ryan are ready for a thorough exam of the engine bay.

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My thanks to Luke for the report.

It’s always great to see people getting to know their cars a little better. And it’s outstanding to see a dealer going to this length to help them do it. CRS are straight from the top shelf.

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Carlsson Saab 96 replica leaves Reims for Monte Carlo historic rally

January 31, 2011 in Saabology

Pete Backstrom from the Saab Museum has sent through a few images from the start of the Monte Carlo historic rally in Reims, France.

The car in the images is the one that’s been painstakingly built by the guys at Oldtimer Markts, a magazine in Germany. The magazines editor, Peter Steinfurth, is driving the vehicle with navigator, Thorsten Löber. Unfortunately, a missed time control has meant their early retirement from the race.

The car still looked fantastic at the start, though. Erik Carlsson himself was there to wave them off.

I’ll have some more imagery about the build of this car in the next couple of days.

My thanks to Peter for the images.

Before the start…..

Erik given the honours, waving them off….

And moving a blaze of speed and fury :-) …..

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US Saab 9-5 TV spot

January 31, 2011 in Saabology

Posted in comments by Oddjob. Good spotting!

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCK55wht8BQ

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Sunday Night Snippets – Southern land edition

January 30, 2011 in Saabology

Greetings all. It’s good to be back.

This is our 9000. And if I can read maps correctly (not guaranteed, but I think I did Ok on this occasion) then it’s parked about as far south as you can travel on a public road in Australia. It’s just outside the ranger station at Cockle Creek.

It took 20kms of dirt to get there, which was heaps of fun :-)

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The latest (and I believe last) of Saab’s four consecutive ads in the Wall Street Journal has been posted up on Saab’s Facebook page. I received a photo from the paper, too (thanks Steve!), so it’s definitely been published.

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Not my favourite, but not bad. Absolutely fantastic image of the car.

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And speaking of ads, Jeremy Clarkson has reviewed the Saab 9-3 TTiD in this weekend’s print edition (also available online to Sunday Times subscribers) and SaabGB have placed a full-page ad at the rear of the “InGear” section.

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UPDATE: Nothing to see here.

From Arild: The transmission factory is owned by Weigl and has nothing to do with Saab anymore.

Do we have a Swede on board who can provide an accurate translation of this article from Swedish Radio?

It looks as if, possibly due to the recent changes to Saab’s engineering structure, that Saab has dismantled the remainder of their powertrain (gearbox) arm.

It’s a little unclear, though. Any help welcome.

Thanks Ted!

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Jonas Froberg – Saab book author – has a slightly depressing article in E24 asking if people will dare to buy a Saab.

It’s a fair question, as that’s what Saab are asking people to do, but I think Froberg takes an unnecessary, pessimistic tone.

On the plus side, he also gives what I think is a reasonable examination of the circumstances that Saab faced last year.

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Is the world getting CO₂ crazy??

January 30, 2011 in Saabology

All of a sudden the car industry is able to deliver cars that are fun to drive and have an incredible low CO2 emission. Who is behind this incredible improvement, the engineering department or the marketing department?

I can’t speak for every new ultra-low emissions sports car being build in the future, but at least one. I don’t know how Mr. Wüst came to this information (German original article), but If I were one of the committees that decide how the consumption of a car has to be measured, I would try to change the current standard as fast as I could to reflect the real consumption of hybrid cars.

Mr. Wüst in his article talks about the Porsche 918 Spyder. This car will have a 500hp V8 engine + 218hp from the e-motor, a high speed of 325 kph and a 0-100 value of 3,2 s but only emit 70g of CO2 in the european mixed cycle.

Is that possible? Yes it is, because Porsche (and anybody else) is allowed to run the test only on battery power, the car can run for 25 km on battery power. Afterwards the consumed current is transformed inequivalent petrol consumption.

And what is the relation to Saab, you may ask? Well there is no direct link, as there isn’t much information leaked about the next 9-3, but it made me think about the latest Volvo announcement, and the fact, that rumors say that Saab is targeting similar Specs as the Volvo made me think about it.

Volvo is presenting its new V60 hybrid at Geneva. The car combines the current D5 engine (Diesel; 205hp;420Nm) with an electrified rear axle with 70electric hp, getting the current 142g/km to an almost impossible 50 g/km. This car will hit the showrooms in 2012.

Is Volvo using the same trick as Porsche, to be frankly I think yes, they do, the car can run twice as long as the Porsche on battery power. Will Saab have to use the same trick to get the planned 9-3 hybrid (with a similar configuration to the V60). Yes, I also think they will have to.

My point is, that Saab may present the <120g 9-3 SC at Geneva, but this big achievement from the Saab engineers will be seen like a joke one year later when Volvo gets the V60 hybrid on the road.

At least the supremacy from Volvo won’t last too long (I hope), and the Germans (the A4 for instance), won’t be able to show something similar till 2013/14.

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The SU Hi-Po Challenge

January 29, 2011 in Editorial

I’m away for a couple of days, but this ought to give you something to chew on…..

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Consider this the oiling of squeaky wheels as far as SU is concerned.

There are a number of people who frequent this site who think that Saab should definitely build a high-powered, performance-oriented halo version of one of its cars. Whilst I count myself as a frequenter of this site, I do not count myself as an extreme halo car advocate at this time.

From my perspective – and noting that I’d love to see a higher spec Saab if it were realistically possible – what Saab need to do at this point in their history is improve, refine and expand their existing product line. They nearly died just 12 months ago and have a lot of basics to cover in order to get to a position where they’re self-supporting, financially healthy and stable for the future. They need to walk before they try to run.

Whilst I personally consider this sort of model to be an extravagance that Saab can’t afford right now, I’m open to being proven wrong.

The SU Hi-Po Challenge.

If you are one of the Hi-Po advocates, then I offer you a front page opportunity to state your case.

We’ve frequently been told by Hi-Po advocates that such a car must have 350hp minimum, so that’s your baseline (but of course, you should always go 50hp more than the expected amount).

I want you to lay out how you’ll achieve that sort of power, where you’ll source the engine from, what other modifications you’ll do to the interior, exterior, suspension, etc, in order to make this car 1) buildable, and 2) marketable.

I want you to state your timeframe for testing this car, to make sure that the company can warrant the vehicle in all markets with confidence.

I want you to tell me the expected sale price, based on current pricing in your market. Along with that, state how many of these vehicles you think Saab could realistically sell, given current challenges and the reduced marketing budget they might have as a result of this project (your decision, see below).

Remember, they had trouble selling 2,000 Turbo X’s in 2008. I’m not sure if they sold many more Viggens than that back in the early parts of the decade, either. Your car is going to have to be more compelling than those (which means $$$$) but for not much, if any, more money.

And speaking of money…… of course, it’s absolutely essential for you to tell me how you’re going to fund the engineering, development and testing of this project. The Saab 9-3 Viggen was based on an existing model but still took several years to develop before coming to market. All that development work has to be paid for somehow.

Saab have a very limited pot of funds, so if we’re to add a Viggen-on-steroids-style performance version, with all of the work such a project entails, then something’s got to go from the current priority list. Given the EIB funds are for efficiency projects only, EIB money is out of the question.

And by the way – this is done as if under Saab’s current circumstances. There’s no “we’ll go and float on the Stockholm exchange” or “Antonov will give us the money” stuff. You have to fit it in to the current program by telling us which current priority is less important than a performance car.

There are no prizes for this challenge. All you get is the satisfaction of being keen enough to rise to the challenge.

Please be aware that your entry may be critiqued with similar vigor as if it were one of Saab’s own plans for a product offering (and if you hang around here frequently enough, you know that that’s pretty tough scrutiny). Please be prepared to accept that level of scrutiny, just as you expect Saab to live with the scrutiny you apply to them.

All entries should be sent to my email address (swade99-at-gmail.com) and I’ll post them here on site, as is. If we get more than half a dozen then I’ll put up a poll and people can vote on them.

Saab is involved in a real business. If you can make a real business case then maybe they’ll see it and act accordingly.

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Saab Singapore 9-5 TV ad

January 29, 2011 in Uncategorized

This one was just loaded up on Youtube by Saab Singapore a few days ago and spotted by 74Stingray.

It’s a re-edit of some of the common footage we’ve seen on the original 9-5 intro video, with some different music, too.

You’ve gotta be funky when the Saab 9-5 price is Singaporean.

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HieK_fZoJk

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Snow Saab – 9000!

January 29, 2011 in Saabology

What do you do when you’ve had heaps of snow, and have had to shovel heaps of snow into a…… heap?

Of course, you make a car out of it.

Jason lives in the north-east US, where there’s been plenty of snow. After he cleared the cold stuff from the path around his 9-5 Aero, he had a pile about the size of a car. Jason figured that he may as well craft a tribute to his first Saab – a Saab 9000.

I think you’ll agree it turned out very well indeed.

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Saab on Swedish adventure TV – “Landskampen”

January 29, 2011 in Saabology

Landskampen is a TV show pitting Swedish and Norwegian winter sports stars against one another in a series of challenges.

You Scandinavian types can watch the show over at TV3. The website wouldn’t show me the video down here in Australia, but fortunately a friend named Niclas managed to grab a clip so I could show you the product placement Saab has managed to wiggle into the production.

It’s reminiscent of Saab’s placement on the Swedish leg of The Amazing Race.

Here’s the video. The Saabs look great and the Norwegians look a little too happy with themselves :-) :

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-xNN3JizE

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Thanks to Niclas for the clip.

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Hirsch steering wheel

January 28, 2011 in Saabology

You might recall that one of our SU regulars, Till72, visited Hirsch’s headquarters in Switzerland last week. I posted his remarks about taking a quick drive in Rene Hirsch’s personal whip – a new Saab 9-5.

The other reason Till made the journey was to have a new Hirsch performance leather steering wheel fitted to his Saab 9-3x. It goes nicely with his Hirsch carbon leather interior and engine tune :-)

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Hirsched again…

One of the reasons for my trip to Switzerland was that I got the new steering wheel for my 9-3x. I fell in love with it as I saw it for the first time at the Hirsch open day back in August.

The airbag and the controls are kept from the original part so you also keep your black or silver covers and only the wheel itself is changed. It was done in about half an hour.

After having it installed for a week now I can say that I really like the feel of the stronger shaped design. Your hands easily find a safe and comfortable position. The perforated leather adds it’s part to the great feel, too. I also realized that for tall people like me the flat bottom makes it easier to get into the car.

The steering wheel completes the Hirsch interior of my 9-3x and adds some sportiness. I love it.

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