Report: Subaru to build Legacy and Outback in Trollhattan

UPDATE II:

OK…..

The exact nature of the story isn’t clear, but further communication indicates that there will be something going on here, relating to work being done using Saabs facilities, but nothing like cars actually being built on the site.

It seems the exact nature of the engagement will be announced later today.

UPDATE:

The initial reports spoke only of things from the Subaru side. There was no comment from Saab.

The first report mentioned was at Dagens Industri (at this URL), but they seem to have removed the report. Other services such as TTELA, Swedish Radio and SVD ran the report as well.

The initial contact that I’ve been able to make with Saab, via email, indicates that this story is most likely in error. There are further checks taking place, but right now it looks like this was a speculative report based on some comments from a Subaru executive.

If I hear anything more, I’ll let you know.

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This is just hitting the news services in Sweden…..

From TTELA:

Subaru wants to develop in Trollhättan

TROLLHÄTTAN – Japanese car giants Subaru wants to develop two of its car models in Trollhättan. The plans have been confirmed by Subaru Nordic’s CEO Torbjorn Lillrud.
Subaru plans to further develop the model Legacy and Outback for gas.

Torbjorn Lillrud stated the following to Dagens Indusri, DI:

– It is unique to a foreign car company will start manufacturing in Sweden of a model that is partly developed in Sweden.

According to DI Legacy and Outback rebuilt in Saab Automobile’s facility in Trollhättan.

Victor Muller’s very keen to drive down Saab’s break even point and increase profitability. One way to do that is to reduce costs. The other is to bring in outside revenue.

Sure beats building windmills 🙂

I’ll trace other reports and see if there’s anything more to report about this.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 7 months ago

Great News! I love how SAAB operates nowdays!

Sandy
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Sandy
5 years 7 months ago

Whooohaaa, where did that one come from!!!???
Great news, Subarus > windmills = True

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

Can’t find the news on DI-site, but perhaps they add it later during the day.

Björn
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Björn
5 years 7 months ago

The news is good for Saab so it does not show up on DI front page. Here is the link to the article:

http://di.se/Artiklar/2011/1/31/225907/Subaru-bygger-bilar-i-Saabs-fabrik/

matsvbg
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matsvbg
5 years 7 months ago

Well….Saab has already created the best looking Subaru ever (9-2X) so why not…. 😉

theSandySaab
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theSandySaab
5 years 7 months ago

Agreed, the best Subaru was a Saab!?
I actually liked the funky 9-2x, but thats just me…

Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 7 months ago

WTF slash where the hell did this come from? Swade, did you know about this in advance? Wink once if yes, wink twice if no 😉

I was just behind a Subaru Legacy PZEV and looked it up, very cool engine tech they have. This is so wonky, yet awesome. Victor is something else- that man has quite the rolodex.

So wait…is it cheaper to build them in Sweden than Japan for export? Any currency/trade experts here?

matte
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matte
5 years 7 months ago

Maby its “Ana specialbilar” not Saab to rebuilt the Subaru? They did it to the 9-3

Yerrun
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Yerrun
5 years 7 months ago

Heard something on the radio and -indeed- it seems to be ANA’s gas technology who might be implemented in a Subaru, in some empty buildings owned by SAAB. The Subaru guy said they have nothing to do with Saab. (apart from renting a building maybe). But this just how I interpreted it…

Gustaf
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Gustaf
5 years 7 months ago

This is great news from break even point of view. But, can we be sure this is not a Trojan? Subaru is a very much a 1 hands choice for some former SAAB buyers. On the other hand, Subaru is considered a very highly reliable brand (ADAC) so for them choosing a SAAB plant ensures SAAB has a high quality production line 🙂

Red J
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5 years 7 months ago

It seem like everything started at DI, but DI has retired its article.

As there is no official press release from Saab or Subaru/Toyota, I would say that this piece of news may become reality but not now.

Arild
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5 years 7 months ago

And that says it all about the credibility of DI. A credible news media would never ever remove an article. A credible news media would update the article or write a new article that sets the record straight.

Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 7 months ago
Here’s the piece from svd.se: Car giant Subaru is planning to start a new factory in Trollhättan. This is where the Japanese brand would further develop gas models of its Legacy and Outback. “It would be unique for a foreign car company to start manufacturing in Sweden a model that is partly developed in Sweden,” says Subaru Nordic’s CEO Torbjorn Lillrud to Dagens Industri. The newspaper said that the cars will be built on the Saab Automobile’s facility in the resort. I’m trying to figure out if the “new factory” and “on the Saab Autombobile’s facility” are conflicting or this… Read more »
Hans H
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Hans H
5 years 7 months ago

I like Subaru. They build quality cars without shouting about it.
I like their engine filosophy. They have engines sounding like a turbocharged good ole’V4. Double Saab-point 🙂
And they, too, has a rallye heritage.

Perhaps the 9-2x will get its follow-up?

Sandy
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Sandy
5 years 7 months ago

Well, I wouldn’t mind a new, shared tech 9-2x based the the present impreza…
http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza-wrx/index.html
Just make it look so Saab good….
????

Daniel G
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Daniel G
5 years 7 months ago

From what I hear they will adapt/rebuild the cars, not build them from scratch in the Saab factory.

Yerrun
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Yerrun
5 years 7 months ago

Since the Spyker stock is open, I don’t expect any official news until 5PM (Swedish time).

Lats
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Lats
5 years 7 months ago

Just discovered this story on the Autocar website indicating that some Americans believe Subaru are a Swedish brand already.

turbokalle
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turbokalle
5 years 7 months ago

Does GM still own part of Subaru? Anyone knows?

Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 7 months ago

GM doesn’t own any Subaru anymore, but Toyota does.

Jelger
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Jelger
5 years 7 months ago

@turbokalle:
No, GM pulled out completely a couple of years ago. That is exactly why a couple of Saab-Subaru common developments stopped abruptly. (Remember the Tribeca/9-6X shared SUV that was supposed to come)

SomeMore
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SomeMore
5 years 7 months ago

The news comes in a slightly more serious form ( from the usually fairly trustworthy swedish paper GP )

http://www.gp.se/ekonomi/1.540900-subaru-gasar-pa-i-trollhattan

Apparently it is a small scale conversion of some of the Subaru models to a different type av engine. Not a big deal for SAAB and nothing is signed off yet. It might take place in SAAB owned buildings though…. hopefully this one is fairly trustworthy.

There is also a report that even if this is very small, it could become really profitable for SAAB if it became a trend.

Thilo
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5 years 7 months ago

Teknikenvärden has also an article about it online:

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/nyheter/110131-subaru-saab/index.xml

Seems to be gas conversions of 2 existing Subaru cars.

MarkoA
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MarkoA
5 years 7 months ago

That sounds like good news. Everything should be done to get Saab to make profit. And I don´t mind possible Subaru connection. It makes sense in every way. Probably that would mean gas conversions sold by Subaru Nordic only, I guess?

Thylmuc
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Thylmuc
5 years 7 months ago

CNG and LPG are only popular because of tax reduction on the fuels. In Germany, these will end in 2018. What about Sweden? They are not really a way to get away from fossile fuels, though they do have environmental advantages.

Paddan
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Paddan
5 years 7 months ago

Maybe Saab has been hired to figure out how to repair the front end vibration/shimmy that seems to be standard on the NG Outback wagon ; )

MarkoA
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MarkoA
5 years 7 months ago

LOL! Though there no need for such.. It´s only US build versions that shake. Other versions have slightly different suspension and there´s no reports of shimmy on other forums.

Paddan
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Paddan
5 years 7 months ago

Its hard to believe they haven’t adopted the other suspension system. I’ve read how they’ve taken back 2010 models and the replacement ’11 has the same issue. I had a similar issue, along with many other issues on a 1994 NG 900 – the first sold in the US – and it is like Chinese water torture.

Ante
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Ante
5 years 7 months ago

Updated on ttela: http://ttela.se/ekonomi/naringsliv/1.1104534-subaru-vill-utveckla-i-trollhattan

So it is an italian company that is going to convert Legacy and Outback for the swedish company car fleets. Prerequsite; the swedish norms for what the hell an environmentally friendly car really is. The only thing SAABy about it is the location!

Gustaf
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Gustaf
5 years 7 months ago
The news have now even hit the Gothenburg Post: “Men Subaru samarbetar inte direkt med Saab: -Vi har inga barn ihop med Saab. Kan vi bidra till att Saab överlever är det ju bra, men det är inte något som har styrt projektet, säger Thomas Possling, informationschef på Subaru Nordic. Före sommaren, troligen inom två månader, tänker Subaru fatta beslut om man ska satsa på serieproduktion av gasbilar.” Google trans: But Subaru does not cooperate directly with Saab: “We have no children together with Saab. Can we help Saab survive it’s good, but it is not something that has guided… Read more »
Ante
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Ante
5 years 7 months ago

Ok, now I’m confused!?!? The original article is back on di.se (http://di.se/Artiklar/2011/1/31/225907/Subaru-bygger-bilar-i-Saabs-fabrik/) and now there’s also a quote from Fägerhag. According to the article there are 5 vehicles produced and 2 in the SAAB facilities. WTF Is going on…

UWb
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UWb
5 years 7 months ago

Remembering the announcement that SAAB will take back some of the temporary workers that were laid of before Christmas and the majority of them should work at the prototype line. The general comments was that the new 9-3 and concept cars were to be built, but it could also be used for converting the gas-Subaru’s.

Ante
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Ante
5 years 7 months ago

Yes you´re right! According to AMS it is the prototyping line that will host the Subaru conversions. They´re sleeping in the same bed and babies are a side effect if you´re not sufficiently protected!

http://www.automotorsport.se/news/22195/saab-bygger-specialmodell-till-subaru/

UWb
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UWb
5 years 7 months ago

The best summary has been found in “The Local“. It states the following;
– Facilities only renter by SAAB, otherwise SAAB is not involved, not economically nor technical
– This is an initiative by Subaru Nordic only
– This is aimed for the Swedish / Nordic market to start with, but there are prospects of increase this if interest is in other countries
– Up to 2 000 cars per year is the initial estimate.

StefanH STHLM
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StefanH STHLM
5 years 7 months ago

Some news mention that BRC (who´s renting facilities at Saab farmyard) might need to lend people from Saab production. The only Saab connection so faar in news. a f a i s

Ante
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Ante
5 years 7 months ago

And now di.se changed the story to BRC building a production line in SAAB facilities and that SAAB staff may be involved in producing Subarus.

CJ
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CJ
5 years 7 months ago

Small platform partner?

That would be GREAT news!

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 7 months ago

That was my first thought too.
Somehow I don’t see Saab and BMW sharing platforms. Subaru would be a good match, though. Saab WRX and back to WRC!

Quijote
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Quijote
5 years 7 months ago

Hey don’t dis my windmills!

=)

saabdriver
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saabdriver
5 years 7 months ago
peeceepeh
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peeceepeh
5 years 7 months ago

Let’s hope that deal get settled.

It would help SAAB to reduce it’s costs.

It would help Trollhättan to build up it’s competence in this area. Which also would help SAAB, as SAAB will be able to benefit from this albeit external know-how.

And if BRC indeed will hire SAAB personnel, SAAB will get a staff training for less then free 😉

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