Saab US sales data – December 2010

UPDATED below….

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December sales figures came in overnight….

Saab 9-3

There were 815 sales of the Saab 9-3 for December. There are 2,803 units of the Saab 9-3 remaining in stock.

Saab 9-5

There were 259 sales of the Saab 9-5 for December. There are 1,671 Saab 9-5s remaining in stock.

Total sales

There were 1,074 sales recorded in total in December.

There are 4,474 vehicles remaining in stock.

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UPDATE: Including full year sales chart and some comments from SCNA.

The full year sales figure for Saab sales in the US was 5,445 vehicles. Month by month, they break down as follows:

Click to enlarge.

It’s somewhat ironic that the third-largest sales month for 2010 was January, when Saab were effectively in liquidation and the future of the company was very much in doubt. Despite those dire conditions, what Saab had at that time was access to a larger sales infrastructure through GM, and perhaps more importantly, they still had some semblence of life in the minds of the people.

Since that time, there have been thousands of reports by somewhat lazy big-masthead pulications that talk about Saab in the same breath as Hummer, Pontiac and Saturn, with little or no distinction between the sale or closure of those respective brands. Saab are simply talked about as one of the brands “cast aside” by GM.

There have been a lot of reports about the fact that Saab are still alive, too, but if you could collect them all, my guess is that the number of reports talking about GM outnumer the reports talking about Saab by a significant margin (a quick search on Google News turns up 112 for “Saab Automobile” and 10,546 for “General Motors” in the past week). That’s a lot of negative momentum to overcome. More than I’d realised, in fact.

As to the chart above, there’s a definite trend line there and it’s upward. Even when things cooled after the September spike, they cooled at a higher average level. It’s small potatos, but let’s hope that trend line can continue in the same upward direction for some time yet.

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I emailed Saab Cars North America to get some comment on the December numbers. There has been some concern expressed in comments with regards to the numbers being ‘padded’ with dealer registrations (i.e. dealers registering vehicles for use as service loaners and counting those registrations in sales numbers when they’re not actual sales to customers).

The response I received is as follows:

I don’t know of any dealer registrations that would be abnormal. Dealers do have an ongoing program for service loaners that they can and do utilize at any time during the year. They may use that program more at certain times than others, but there has been no change to the program.

The driver of December sales was more Saab advertising (we returned to TV) and a good supply of 2011 9-3s and 9-5s which we did not have in November. The Make-a-Wish program also drove strong traffic to the stores that participated. In addition, December was a good month for the industry and we have new Saab dealers that are now selling cars. We also had a fleet deal (good news) as Enterprise returned to being a Saab customer (appx 150 units).

I acknowledge the concerns raised in comments but absent the ability to audit numbers, I can only ask the question and publish the response. My thanks to SCNA for listening and responding.

It seems the US had a better month in December and I look forward to the watching the trends in the first quarter of 2011.

BoeBoe
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BoeBoe
5 years 8 months ago

No need to dig for information:

December (’10 vs ’09)
Total 1.074 vs 868 (+23,73%)

2010 vs 2009
Total 5.445 vs 8.680 (-37,27%)
http://saabsunited.saabklubben.se/2011/01/a-pre-emptive-strike-on-us-sales-data.html#comment-105051

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 8 months ago

For the models the numbers are this when looking on 2007 – 2010:

2007 December sales 9-3: 1773
2008 December sales 9-3: 684
2009 December sales 9-3: 699
2010 December sales 9-3: 815

2007 December sales 9-5: 383
2008 December sales 9-5: 120
2009 December sales 9-5: 87
2010 December sales 9-5: 259

WM
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WM
5 years 8 months ago

So on the face of it, wouldn’t this seem to be positive? Looking at Carl-Henrik’s numbers, this is a strong multiple-year upward trend for both models — including an outgoing 9-3 model. Regardless of dealer padding, can we take this as positive?

I don’t know a bit how dealerships work; but if most dealers are so cash-strapped, and already padded numbers in September with service loaners, is it reasonable to think it’s happening again? I would like to think it’s unfortunately the result of the ridiculously low pricing going on right now.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 8 months ago
I would say there is a positive momemtum for Saab going on. The “thing” is just that it is a bit slower than anticipated. Just look at the numbers for Finland: 199 sold in December 2010. 371 sold in December 2009. But the 199 sold in December is much more than the 35 sold in November 2010. And several others markets also show this increase except the Dutch (but then people say that sales in December are low in NL and sales in January are much stronger instead). I do not know what is the reason for the increase in… Read more »
Niklas D
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Niklas D
5 years 8 months ago

Saab sold 42 cars in Finland in December. The total number for 2010 is 199.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 8 months ago

Ah, thank you for clarifying that! 🙂

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 8 months ago

But am I right that those cars were sold ONLY during September – December (with numbers per month: 27, 95, 35, 42)?

Niklas D
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Niklas D
5 years 8 months ago

jan-jul 66
aug 11
sep 27
oct 18
nov 35
dec 42

zippy
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zippy
5 years 8 months ago

The numbers are headed in the right direction but a lot more work needs to be done. Have been searching for Canada sales but have yet to find anything.

till72
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till72
5 years 8 months ago

Things are moving. Slower than we would like but at least the direction is right.

That said there is still a lot of work to be done but I’m pretty sure Saab is aware of that.

I just hope the dealers can survive until sales get on a higher level.

Paddan
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Paddan
5 years 8 months ago
I’d venture a guess that part of the reason that most Americans think Saab is dead is because of sloppy reporting by the US media – this example by CNN online – “But gains were limited compared to a year ago, when GM was still selling a significant number of vehicles from its discontinued brands — Saab, Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer.” Reading that and not knowing better would lead me to believe that Saab is gone. Alternatively, the reporter simply says that GM shed the four brands that were either closed or sold, without identifying which one was sold and… Read more »
Gump
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Gump
5 years 8 months ago

Saab is using “Enron Math” to tabulate December sales. I’d be willing to guess that over 60% of the units are service loaners. Just sayin…

Jason Powell
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5 years 8 months ago

Highly doubt that, loaner programs have never been such that a dealer would want to load up on loaners. It cost a dealer more to have a loaner then the discount they get buy claiming the loaner. Loaner programs are set up to let your customer drive your product and hopefully fall in love with it and in the end the credit for those cars go to the customer. I’d be surprised if that number even topped 15%, in Canada we don’t even have a loaner program in place yet.

Red J
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5 years 8 months ago

Hi jason,
did you sell those 2 Saabs in December? 😉

Jason Powell
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5 years 8 months ago

Unfortunately no, we didn’t get our Saabs until the 2nd week of December. We have a good selection of 2011 Saabs now in stock and are looking forward to 2011. Remember with the Canadian numbers as well, that we didn’t get 2010 models so we don’t have the blowout type deals you see in the US.

Pierre
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5 years 8 months ago
There is nothing surreptitious or devious in the reporting of loaner cars as new car sales. They are reported as such because said cars have to be registered (certificate of origin is surrendered, taxes are paid and state registration plates attached) and the warranty start date is put into play. When these cars are sold, though virtually new, they appear on our reporting and statements as used car sales. It is nearly a semantic matter—if we reported loaners as new car sales only once sold, in the end, the same number of cars would be reported. Can dealers play some… Read more »
benrp
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benrp
5 years 8 months ago

Muller to reviel listing plans in May.

Sam
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Sam
5 years 8 months ago

I agree with Paddan that the US media is of atrociously low quality. The reason I come to Saabs United to get my news about Saab.

Saabdealer
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Saabdealer
5 years 8 months ago
Gump, My dealer was in the top 5 (month-to-date and year-to-date) of our region (consisting of 44 dealers and is the top region in the US). Not one of our sales was service loaner for the month of Dec. As a matter of fact, we retailed a service loaner to a customer so there was actually one more sale that didn’t reflect in the MTD numbers. That’s how these loaners work. You may get a number the month you put it into service, but you don’t get a second count when you ultimately sell them so in the long run,… Read more »
Red J
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5 years 8 months ago

Looking at that graph, and knowing the Swedish sales progression for the 9-3, I am less preoccupied for the Oct Nov numbers.
Saab is planning their production to keep the cost under control, therefore they (imho) stop sending MY ’10 cars too early.
You can also see such a drop in sales in Sweden, but two months earlier.

Gump
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Gump
5 years 8 months ago

My Congrats to you and Saab…how many units makes you a top 5 dealer in top region?

jchan2
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jchan2
5 years 8 months ago

The 150 sales to Enterprise is an interesting remark- I haven’t seen a Saab in a rental fleet in a loooong time.

Hope Saab doesn’t go overboard with the Enterprise sales and becomes the new rental fleet special…

fred from chicago
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fred from chicago
5 years 8 months ago

I wouldnt be too concerned about Enterprise–a lot different than Dollar Rent-a-Car that rents to the Disney World crowd traveling to Orlando. Enterprise tendsto cater to business travelers and really charge a pretty penny for Volvo and presumably Saabs. They also do fleets for company vehicles–so perhaps some firms are putting their sales people in Saabs. It would be great to be able to rent a SAAB when I am on the road.

Beren Erchamion
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5 years 8 months ago

Wow – I can only dream of walking into an Enterprise and getting a 9-3 or 9-5 instead of that death vehicle Impala!

Aaron C
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Aaron C
5 years 8 months ago

I’ve gotten an Impala for the past few rentals I’ve had from Avis. Apart from the base model with cloth seats and column shifter, I have liked them. The base model was terrible, but the ones with the leather and floor shift are VERY nice — roomy, plenty of power, GREAT trunk space, and nice ride.

Still, I’d rather have a 9-3, but I have a feeling that will be classified as their “luxury” rental, with a 100% markup over the “full size” offering.

Aaron C
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Aaron C
5 years 8 months ago
A couple things — the average buyer does not know there are significant price discounts on the new Saabs. If you just looked at Edmunds or whatever your online source, or did not directly contact your Saab dealer, you might not know of the heavy discounts. In regard to Saab being dead or alive, I sold my SPG two months ago and the buyer already had previously purchased six or seven Saabs. His girlfriend looked at me and said, “so, no more Saabs now, how do you feel about that?” I was shocked that the girlfriend of a Saab fanatic… Read more »
maanders
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maanders
5 years 8 months ago

Yes. The news has not penetrated as far as we would hope yet….even among Saab fans. If people do not follow sites like SU, Saabnet, etc., they are less likely to have heard.

Rune
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Rune
5 years 8 months ago

Swade: Do all my e-mails to you end up in the great spam-folder in the sky, or just the one I sent a couple of days ago? 😉

(sorry, I do not have anything to contribute to the current discussion — I simply wanted to subscribe to this thread)

I’m trying to get to it, Rune. I didn’t think we should bring it up publicly, but I’m waiting for warmer weather before taking those kinds of photos of myself for you…. please be patient – SW (that’ll teach him 😉 )

Sebastian
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Sebastian
5 years 8 months ago

Here’s the link to the December, 2010 numbers for Canada. Saab sold 2 cars…

Sebastian
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Sebastian
5 years 8 months ago

Not sure why the link didn’t appear; I’ll just cut and paste:

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/search/label/Canada%20December%202010%20Sales?max-results=5

Jason Powell
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5 years 8 months ago
Sebastian, Not sure if the number is accurate or not. In Canada, when we deliver a vehicle right now we forward the information to IFS and they report the sale. Not sure if this info is based on registrations or not. Also from what I saw of sold orders, most were 9-5’s with sunroofs and the was a supply issue with the roofs. My dealership didn’t receive cars until the 2nd week of December, so we don’t have a full month in Canada yet and Saab is still working to re-introduce leasing in Canada. That said, lets look at January… Read more »
Sebastian
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Sebastian
5 years 8 months ago

That’s true. And re-introducing leasing will make a huge difference as well. I for one leased a non-Saab a couple of months ago precisely because I couldn’t lease a Saab through GMAC or whoever. I had my eye on the silver 2.0T 9-3 6-speed.

Greg Abbott
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Greg Abbott
5 years 8 months ago
Well that’s a bit better, albeit with a long way to go yet. In retrospect, sending 2010 9-5s to the US with no sunroof and with the down-scale green radio display was a significant mistake. People here love their sunroofs, and the green radio display just plain sucks, especially in a car which is supposed to compete with the A6, 528-535, etc. To give you an idea how much I dislike the green display I took an extra month to find a car in the right color with the Nav display (and paid extra for Nav which I really did… Read more »
etuaz
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etuaz
5 years 8 months ago
With all respect, I bought my 9-5 last week specifically without the color touch nav display, HUD, and sunroof. I have my own GPS which I use locally and take with me for business travel when I drive rental cars, so I was interested in keeping the ~$1800 in my pocket. (as technology advances, I have a feeling consumer GPSs will be much better than the one in the vehicle within 2-3 years, if not sooner) I also found the color touch screen too prominent and bright on the dash that it kept distracting me during the test drive. I… Read more »
Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 8 months ago

I do think you have a good point there. People buy what they want. Some people want everything. Some want just a few things. The important thing is that people do get what they want. Enjoy your car!! 🙂

Greg Abbott
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Greg Abbott
5 years 8 months ago
The Nav/radio screen dims quite nicely at nighttime, and you still have the Night Panel option to turn it off. Perhaps there’s a way to design the design the dash which looks better with the green screen. It fits in a hole designed for a larger unit, and the whole thing just looks like a half-assed effort to fill too big a space. I’m going to be driving this car for a long time, and every time I get in the car I did not want to look at something that looked (to me) like an unhappy compromise.
Mikaik
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Mikaik
5 years 8 months ago

A breath of fresh air…Saab needs more people like you.

Often, we don’t see the forest for the trees, but you did and I’m happy for you. This is showing true Saab spirit. Is the driving that matters, not the gadgetry.

Quijote
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Quijote
5 years 8 months ago

Any info as to which Enterprise locations have these SAABS? I’d love to go rent a new 9-5 over the weekend!!

Henrik
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Henrik
5 years 8 months ago

I rented one today here in sweden 🙂 My MY-09 was in for service and I “upgraded” the loaner to a Turbo4 Vector! What a car, I was very impressed!

wpbond
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wpbond
5 years 8 months ago
3 key things affecting US growth: 1. US Dec 2010 sales beat Dec 2009, but total 2010 is still down vs total 2009. Factory shutdowns and slow re-fill of pipeline hurt, but also significantly affecting sales comparisons is the lack of a 9-7X replacement. From 2006 to early 2009, the 9-7X generally outsold the 9-5 in the US. Saab will not return to its 2007 sales levels without an SUV. They have a huge hole in the lineup until the 9-4X arrives this summer. 2. 2007 and earlier saw higher sales numbers before economic downturn, but even more importantly, Saab… Read more »
Jim Hickstein
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Jim Hickstein
5 years 8 months ago
A friend of mine bought a new 9-3 sedan at a ridiculous discount, a few weeks ago. A week later, he went back and bought another one (for his wife, that one with an automatic transmission). I can’t believe the numbers he’s telling me. I said he should get one for me, too. Will I score such a discount on a 9-3 hatchback in future years, if/when they exist again (and I can afford one again), if I buy it between Christmas and New Years, preferably at -30F ambient, as I am advised? Anyway, I plan to try the tactic.
SNJ
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SNJ
5 years 8 months ago

OK so what happened in November? Was that an anamoly or is there an explanation? It looks like an outlier in a brief trend upward, but I guess we willl have to see what the new year brings

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 8 months ago

Perhaps it was a glitch between the 2010 and 2011 models. People might have waited to buy a 2011 instead of an 2010.

Chris Hansel
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Chris Hansel
5 years 8 months ago

Well;
I guess this is the new reality. 1000 car a month, in the US, is very low for a company that sold as many as 50,000 or more in the past. The direction is the important thing here, and it is up! In comparison European numbers are very strong. What I find very interesting is that 9-3 sales are as strong as they are, when in fact, Saab spent all of it’s ad money on the new 9-5. Victor is very right in rushing the new 9-3 to market. Can come soon enough.
Chris

Quijote
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Quijote
5 years 8 months ago

I think the European numbers are proportionately much stronger because GM and the media didn’t destroy Saab in Europe the same way they did in the USA by excessively, and prematurely, announcing Saab’s death!

Saab has such a massive marketing hole to dig itself out of here in the USA. Frankly, I think the mainstream advertising budget could have been better distributed in not only advertising the all new 9-5, but by announcing the SAAB is ALIVE AND WELL. It just doesn’t seem that announcing the new 9-5 was enough for the public to assume the brand is alive.

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 8 months ago

OK, I hate to dampen the festive mood a bit, but I really think that a big percentage of the higher sales numbers in December are due to the huge discounts. I’ve seen a significant increase in the amount of 9-3’s lately and I’m pretty certain these are not all Saab fans coming back to save the brand but rather people looking for a good deal.
If I’m right then we’ll see a drop in sales as soon as the discounts disappear. Let’s hope I’m wrong.

michaelb
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michaelb
5 years 8 months ago
The numbers are somewhat reassuring, but reveal a need for action as well. The sales numbers for the 9-3 are more of a positive surprise. It is an old model, overpriced compared to competitors (but as a few contributors have pointed to, may have benefited from extreme discounts). The numbers for the 9-5 are clearly disappointing, I would even qualify them as catastrophic if put into right perspective. It is a brand new car with advanced features, and fairly priced relative to competitors, as we know from Edmunds. The US is the market for large sedans, not Europe. Furthermore, at… Read more »
calisaab
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calisaab
5 years 8 months ago
This is one of the many reasons why the 2010-2011 SAAB is not selling in the U.S. Check out these inflated prices (taken from cars.com): 1. 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero – $56,680 Dealer: Dirito Brothers Nissan, VW, Saab of Walnut Creek Call: 888-835-6408 2. 2011 Saab 9-5 Turbo4 Premium – $50,140 Dealer: Symes Cadillac Saab Call: 866-515-6163 – 50K FOR A 4 CYLINDER 9-5???? ARE YOU KIDDING???? The entire listing is on this web page: Someone from SAAB N.A. or (Swade) should call these guys and educate them on how overpriced these models are… I thought you can find 4… Read more »
wes
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5 years 8 months ago

Hi Calisaab, You are right about the price of the 2010 Saab 9-5 aero. But this car is as loaded as you can get a 2010 9-5 aero. If you checked our website you would see we are taking $6000.00 off msrp on all 2010 9-5’s in stock, and 1 I have taken $8000.00 off Msrp plus your bet the owner loyalty of a $1000.00. So we are doing what we can to reduce the price and move the cars.

Jörgen Trued - SUHRT
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Jörgen Trued - SUHRT
5 years 8 months ago
One should not stare at percentage number back and forth. It is actual sales thats matter. NG 9-5 can not be compared to OG 9-5. A car that was over 10 years old the last years on sale. A new 9-5 should sell better it is a NEW car with excellent new technology etc. Sorry to see that so many cars remain unsold. How are the unsold 9-5s specified? Have heard that it is low spec vehicles with 17-18 inch wheels and monochrome SID and monochrome central instrument. Seams like someone believed that US/CAN customers would settle for low end… Read more »
John Schroeder
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John Schroeder
5 years 8 months ago
You bring up a great point. I will lease a new 9-5 in late February when my current OG9-5 lease ends. Please tell me why I can not buy a base NG9-5 with a manual transmission, sunroof and nav system. I am leasing this vehicle because it’s a Saab, and I love the way they drive – but I am not totally happy spending $550 a month with no sunroof and the most god-awful radio/hvac display in history. The general population will consider this equipment level a deal-breaker however. That said, I am looking forward to my 6th new Saab,… Read more »
maanders
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maanders
5 years 8 months ago
I agree, in theory, Jörgen, but here in the USA, 2007 was prior to the economic recession (and the 9-5 was not as old then as it is now). So, although a new 9-5 should sell better, than 2007, I think it would have but the new 9-5 is more expensive as the USA is just beginning to come out of the recession, and there are fewer dealers….plus the continued lack of awareness of Saab’s survival. I expect the sales will pick up quite a bit in 2011 as the economy improves, the 9-5 sport combi becomes available and as… Read more »
maanders
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maanders
5 years 8 months ago

A quick read that sums it up the economic state in the USA for the average American.

The “paradox” of our recovering economy

nickX
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nickX
5 years 8 months ago

9-5 SC is still missing. Should make some numbers, too.
I’m not sure about the situation in NA, but in Europe at least 70percent of the 9-5 were always wagons….

UWb
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UWb
5 years 8 months ago

In US, the station wagons are not big sellers. The US customers are going for the SUV’s instead. Actually, Volvo recently decided to withdraw it’s European best seller V70 – which is a station wagon – from the US market to promote their XC60 / 70 / 90 SUV’s instead. .
Thus, do not have the hopes to high for increased sales of the 9-5 SC in the US market.

DMR
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DMR
5 years 6 months ago

@UWb,

Saab has never been a mainstream US car. It sells very well in specific niche markets (the Northeast, Colorado, upper midwest). As someone who lives in the Boston area, I can provide anecdotal evidence that both OG9-5 SCs, Volvo V series, as well as other wagons (Subaru Outback, for example) do exceptionally well around here. We’re not terribly bothered about what somebody in Miami or LA might think about our (lack of) style!

benrp
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benrp
5 years 8 months ago

To be fair though the new 9-5 in more expencive than the old so it harder to sell more of them. This also means they would have more profit margen.

Thylmuc
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Thylmuc
5 years 8 months ago
Right! the new 9-5 indeed is an extended wheelbase version, like the A6L is for Audi. in comparison to the previous 9-5, it is 17 cm longer, placing it in the same league as the Audi A8 in respect to internal space. Therefore, it is more expensive than the OG9-5. Maybe a bit too expensive and too big for some people. The problem for Saab is that there is now a huge gap between the 9-3 and the 9-5 (that presumably, in GM’s master plot, was to be occupied by the Insignia). Anyway, as long as Saab refrains from producing… Read more »
benrp
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benrp
5 years 8 months ago

For now, the new 9-3 will be slightly bigger too.

michaelb
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michaelb
5 years 8 months ago

I would like to add one question, something what maybe I have missed : One of the strong points of Saab’s engine supply is the availabiltiy of biopower or E85 capable engines. In the US, there is a network of roughly 2500 filling stations offering E85, furthermore, E85 is significantly cheaper than gasoline, roughly by 15-25%, depending on location. Biopower engines sell quite well in Sweden. Why is Saab USA not at least offering the highly competitive biopower engines? Is it due to environmental concerns, as ethanol is won not from wood, but from agricultural production?

Red J
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5 years 8 months ago

michaelb,
All 9-5 Turbo4 sold in USA and Canada are BioPower capable engines.

michaelb
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michaelb
5 years 8 months ago

And 9-3?

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 8 months ago
Biopower is not a strong sales argument in the US, most people just don’t care. E85 is kind of an uphill battle. Many states are pushing for higher alcohol content but there is quite some anxiety that many cars will not being able to cope with it, i.e. law suits etc. Personally I don’t like alcohol as a gasoline replacement. It is mostly pushed by the corn lobby to sustain mid-west farmers. It’s an utter waste of farmland to use corn for alcohol while a big part of the world is starving. Sorry for mixing in politics, but that kind… Read more »
Aaron C
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Aaron C
5 years 8 months ago
GerritN, that is a false argument, and it’s clear where your politics lie. From the E85 FAQ: the production of ethanol from corn uses only the starch of the corn kernel. All of the valuable protein, minerals and nutrients remain. One bushel of corn produces about 2.7 gallons of ethanol, 11.4 pounds of gluten feed (20% protein), 3 pounds of gluten meal (60% protein) and 1.6 pounds of corn oil. Bt-corn is a genetically modified version of corn which has been studied for use in foods and as a renewable fuel resource. I say use the GM corn for ethanol… Read more »
Rune
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Rune
5 years 8 months ago

Gerrit, starving countries do not have much money. If you give them the food for free, you will completely ruin what little agricultural activity they had left.

There are no easy solutions. And increasing the world’s population by improving food distribution sets us up for even bigger disasters in the future…

E85 is not the big bad wolf in this picture. It is also worth asking what happened with all that farm land they subsidized into producing nothing back in the late 80s? (in Russia, Europe and the US)

LG Aero
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LG Aero
5 years 8 months ago
Here is a link to E85 pricing in New York State. E85 Price There is lots of real ,relevant and current data there. It shows an average of 17.5% price savings per gallon across the state. Now ethanol has approx. 80% by volume of the enegry of gasoline. So on the surface it appears to be an increase of cost to use it. However there is much talk that Saab 9-5 can do significantly better in real world application. As much as NO loss. See the Saab references in this Wiki Article. It would be most interesting to hear from… Read more »
davidgmills
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davidgmills
5 years 8 months ago
The highest and best use of Saabs in America is to turn around and export them to Europe. The discounted prices we saw in December will continue if Saab wants to sell cars in the US. This will not change with new 9-3’s. Wages are simply too low and job security is simply too questionable and will remain so for many years. Why there is such a disparity between the prices in the US and Europe, I have no idea. But when I tell people here that a new 9-5 costs 100gs in Europe, they are absolutely stunned. Stunned me.… Read more »
Henrik
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Henrik
5 years 8 months ago

+1 I don´t undstand how Saab can make money on a tubo 6 aero for around 50k $, thats what the entry-level costs here in Sweden which is cheapest in scandinavia. Is it taxes?

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