US Saab 9-5 SportCombi info

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Today is Saab 9-5 SportCombi day, no doubt about it. I didn’t want to write about anything else today, which is why I’ve been silent since the press release.

Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that I’m raining on the 9-5 SportCombi’s parade by having to quote this…..

From Inside Line:

Pricing has not been confirmed for the U.S., said Michele Tinson, Saab Cars North America spokesperson, in response to an e-mailed query from Inside Line on Wednesday morning. However, the SportCombi body style typically sells for about $1,000 more than the Saab 9-5. The current 9-5 is priced between $38,525 and $43,030.

“We may have only one powertrain in the U.S. and limited trim options,” Tinson said when asked to provide more details about the 9-5 SportCombi.

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One powertrain and limited trim options.

First of all, we don’t know what this means. The Saab 9-5 Sedan launched last year with just one powertrain and trim level – the highest. It’s possible that the 9-5 SportCombi will come with the V6 and quite loaded.

UPDATE: Automobile Magazine seem to be hedging their bets. They first claim that powertrain options will mimic the Sedan, with both engines available, and then in a lower paragraph from the same article, they say it’ll be just the top-shelf Aero model.

UPDATE II: Car and Driver say it’ll be just the 2.0T.

Conclusion – No-one’s got a freaking clue and they’re all poking holes in the sky with a stick. IMHO there should have been nothing said about ‘one engine option’ at all. Just point them to the press release and save all the guesswork.

BUT……

Now that we’re compelled to have a guess, I’d say it will be well equipped with a couple of trim levels to choose from, but that it will come with the higher volume engine – the 2.0T. Even though that engine is an absolute gem, I have a feeling that the comments section is going to fill up with people who say they want access to the V6.

Please, prove me wrong.

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NOTE – The quote above is from Saab Cars North America and doesn’t necessarily have any relevance to markets outside North America.

Thanks to Alan H and to Joe Best for the tips.

hipchecker
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hipchecker
5 years 8 months ago

No complaints here!

The 2.0T is what people want now, as long as it gets superior gas mileage while being able to pull its weight.

turbin
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turbin
5 years 8 months ago

Car and Driver says 2.0T ONLY, V6 NOT on the menu, XWD standard.

bruce
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bruce
5 years 8 months ago
2.0T is fine – no squawks from me, either (a happy Dame Edna owner)! And SCNA says “We may have . . . .” That likely means SAAB has not made a final marketing decision. I was not aware of a conflict between Aero trim and suspension, for example, and the 2.0T engine. Actually sounds appealing. The last few years of the OG 9-5 were marketed much the same way in the US and Canada (with slightly different standard items) . . . single engine in all models (2.3T and Aero), relatively “loaded,” and a very short additional options list… Read more »
Adrian
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Adrian
5 years 8 months ago

There definitely isn’t any conflict between Aero trim and non-v6 engines. Other countries have Aeros with four-pots and diesels available. Restricting Aero trim to v6 only is purely a US marketing decision.

zippy
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zippy
5 years 8 months ago

As North America isnt really a big market for large wagons I could see just the 2.0T model being offered with XWD.

rpg
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rpg
5 years 8 months ago

May be not in NA overall, but the ratio of 9-5 wagons to sedans in the Boston area is close to 1:1. The new 9-5SC has to stack up against the competition and I’m not sure a 220hp 2.0T will cut it. Further, a lot of people new to Saab will be turned off the second they hear ‘4-cylinder.’ Right or wrong, that’s just the way it is over here.

Kevin Miller
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5 years 8 months ago

Whether or not it has AWD… Please oh please let the 9-5 SportCombi be offered with the 4-cyl and manual transmission in the US.

Tomas TL1000R
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Tomas TL1000R
5 years 8 months ago

I think your gasoline prices will increase during the year. Therefor I think the 2,0T engine would be right for Saab and even manual as an option.

I dont know how Americans think when they buying Saabs? Lets say that the 9-4X take the bigger more fuel-thirsty part and the 9-5SC stand for the more “less is more” thing!
Thats what Saab is about and the spirit of the company. Otherwise they could go buying an Bimmer or any other German car.

What do you think? Am I to “Swedish” in my thoughts?

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 8 months ago

The logic of using the frugal 2.0T engine and then put XWD on it eludes me. With this engine FWD should be sufficient for most purposes. It also keeps the weight and price down.

Phoenix
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Phoenix
5 years 8 months ago

Do you need 300hp becuase you add 4WD to a car? There are people who wants 4WD for other reasons than be the quickest guy at the red light. If you have driven the 2.0T engine with XWD in real winter conditions you would know why XWD is a good choice. And it doesn’t feel slow at all but of course it is not a Viggen but it is not supposed to be.

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 8 months ago
Sorry, should have been more explicit. For an average buyer looking for a utility vehicle the 2.0T engine with FWD is enough. I sympathize with those people which have to deal with real winter conditions for a big part of the year. I know the value of all wheel drive. When I first came to Boston it was the dead of winter and a college lent me his little boxy Honda with AWD to get around. Boy, that little thing went like stink through the highest snow and I’m sure it didn’t have more than 80hp. On the other hand,… Read more »
Trev
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Trev
5 years 8 months ago

I sure hope they sell the wagon with the 2.0T and the manual. I don’t care for the V6 from driving it and reading about it. Too heavy and thirsty for a Saab. With so many brands going mainstream or looking for the average buyer as opposed to the enthusiast(VW, BMW, Audi, etc etc IMO), I hope Saab can do the right thing.

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 8 months ago

A while ago I was looking for an old 9-5SC, the majority of what I found were automatic. My conclusion is that the majority of Saab station wagon buyers in the US prefer automatics.

benrp
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benrp
5 years 8 months ago

when Saab bring it down under a V6 may help though. Ford don’t make a Falcon wagon anymore so perhaps they could steal some buys from there.

michaelb
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michaelb
5 years 8 months ago
After the very unlucky introduction of the 9-5 in the United States – 2010 model just as 2.8l Aero, but no sunroof as an option, then for 2011 the additional 2,0l engine exclusively without xwd, no 1.6l at all – it would represent a major mistake to introduce the 9-5 sc in the USA with just one powertrain and limited trim options. Worse: It would make the chaos perfect to offer it just with the 2.0l 4-cylinder and just with xwd. Absolutely no logic compared to the sedan, if the Sedan will be offered, as it is right now. Either… Read more »
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bk-aero
5 years 8 months ago
Tha US market may be one of Saab’s largest markets but it only brings limited margins as we can see from the price comparison a couple of days ago. I thus can understand that Saab doesn’t want to homologate a whole range of vehicles if 80% of potential buyers will buy a car off the shelf: one specific model with automatic transmission which should have all the options for a price of next to nothing. Because of long delivery times and special offers on those cars 60 to 80% of all European cars in the US are taken from stock.… Read more »
rpg
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rpg
5 years 8 months ago

The price comparison the other day highlights the differences in tax structure across Saabs markets. Tax is the number one difference between markets. Further, the price of the US spec cars is driven by competition in the market place – there are many options in the US. Raising the price on the 9-5 , a price that many already consider to be too high, would be the death knell of Saab in America. No Saab in America = No Saab at all.

vince
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vince
5 years 8 months ago

+1

Adam Shelton
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Adam Shelton
5 years 8 months ago
Sorry Swade, but I can’t “prove you wrong.” I love my Saab, I love its combination of performance, size, style, etc. I lust after the new 9-5SC (especially after the picture posted this afternoon), but I’m not going to drop 40k on a vehicle that will get it doors blown off by a Ford Flex. The fact of the matter is, IMO, a large sedan/estate with 220HP just doesn’t appeal the average American buyer, myself included. Talk about “balance” all you want, but as you’ve alluded to in prior posts, the cost of gasoline in the US isn’t enough to… Read more »
Saabheart
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Saabheart
5 years 8 months ago
You got it Adam. Horsepower sells cars in America and 220hp in a “premium” midsize car isn’t going to cut it. V6’s are in all sorts of cheaper cars (Kia, Hyundai, Honda, Nissan, etc). You have to have horsepower to play with the big boys. I hope it’s the V6 that comes to America. I think it’s safe to assume it’ll be an automatic, which, although I wouldn’t be in an auto, 93% of America drives autos, so that’s a smart move. I think it should be the V6 XWD Auto that comes to America first, just to get the… Read more »
benrp
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benrp
5 years 8 months ago

I have to agree. In Europe where emmitions are taxed a 4 cylinder makes sence but otherwise the V6 has the edge.

Peter
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Peter
5 years 8 months ago
As long as we are jumping to conclusions, let me just put it out there that Cadillac’s decision to discontinue the 2.8t in the SRX may mean certain doom for the engine in any application, including the 9-4X and 9-5. Which leads me to direct any people that may bitch and/or moan in the future to immediately go and purchase a ’10 or ’11 9-5 Aero or pre-order a 9-4X Aero. Personally, I think that the Turbo4 in the 9-5 SportCombi will be perfect. My dealership got our first stickshift 2011 9-5 Turbo4 Sedan this week, and the window sticker… Read more »
Greg Abbott
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Greg Abbott
5 years 8 months ago
I imagine the cost of certifying assorted combinations of body style and drivetrain in the US must be quite expensive, and that Saab wants to hemorrhage as little cash as possible until profitability returns. Obviously more choice is better, but the truth is the sedan is the big seller in the US, not the wagon. One drivetrain for the wagon in the US may be as much as Saab can afford to provide at the moment. If there can only be one drive train for the US, it should be the 2.0T, automatic, preferably with XWD. Although it needs to… Read more »
Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 8 months ago

+1. Read his comment, he’s smart. ‘Nuff said.

What other halo ideas can Saab implement on the cheap? Is it possible to offer the Hirsch package as a factory option as opposed to dealer? Like a checkbox on the options list that would include sportier wheels, akin to a “sport package” that ups the HP for the 4 cyl to 260HP? Seems easy.

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 8 months ago
Halo models on the cheap are not an option, I’m afraid. Both the Viggen and the Turbo-X, although we love them dearly, have hardly made an impression on the general public. The Aero-X, however, made a huge impression, this car should have been build. Last year Jason Castriota made a sketch of what he thinks a new Sonnett should look like: http://saabsunited.saabklubben.se/2010/11/ams-win-an-original-castriota-design-sketch.html This sketch still adorns one of the walls of my office. My humble opinion is that this should be Saab’s new halo car. Spyker could supply the know how (probably in conjunction with Lotus) for building it. I… Read more »
michaelb
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michaelb
5 years 8 months ago
I would assume that you know the US market sufficiently, also with respect to costs of model certification and are right, that certification might be a costly thing. I also agree, that fuel economy is very very important, and might become more important down the road. I see the point, that the 2.8l in GM’s planning apparently does not have a longer term future. Nevertheless, this does not explain some other points: – when Saab offers the 9-5 sc just with xwd, xwd should at least be added as an option in the sedan asap, maybe depending on certification. –… Read more »
Phoenix
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Phoenix
5 years 8 months ago
Agree with most of it. And a 300hp V6 isn’t a big deal today in a large sedan. I have driven it and it is absolutly a great car and to me that power is more than enough. Right now I think one of the biggest problem with the US market is the currency which hits the margins pretty tough. The dollar is valued very low compared to Euro and SEK. It is good for companies that resides in US or have production there and that may be the reason that US wants to keep the dollar low. Maybe the… Read more »
MarkoA
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MarkoA
5 years 8 months ago

Agreed, but perhaps Halo Saab 9-5 should be something different? High output car will strictly compete against the best Germans. I think it is the game where Saab cannot win. Think of Turbo X. It did not sell well and it didn´t get really good reviews. So it was mainly for Saab enthusiasts who appreciate what it offers. Maybe they can come up with something else, like some options that no one else has?
What about 9-5X? Audi (A6) Allroad is very expensive…

Mark Orr
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Mark Orr
5 years 8 months ago

I say offer only the 4 cyl but pump it up to 260 HP, that should make everyone happy. They should be free to make these decisions now and the engine easily has that kinda HP available.

waffle911
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waffle911
5 years 8 months ago

The last-gen 9-5’s in the US all had the brilliant B235R 2.3L HOT that made 260HP. I really don’t see why they can’t just bring that incredible little monster back, or why they got rid of it in the first place. I love the way it drives in my Viggen. Give it direct injection and a new ECU map and I’d bet it’d make 300hp with easy-to-live-with fuel economy easily.
Saab, bring back the wonderful H-Engine family!

Greg Abbott
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Greg Abbott
5 years 8 months ago

I should add that gas prices in the US will likely return to the $4 per gallon level (or higher), as soon as the economy recovers more. Or sooner – gas prices in Minneapolis just jumped 15 cents a gallon in one day (this morning), up to $3.25 or so a gallon.

Going with the 2.0T with fuel economy as a unique selling point is a pretty reasonable hedge again the likelihood of another gas price spike.

Chris
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Chris
5 years 8 months ago
Greg: As normal you are right on the mark. The 4 banger will make a lot of sense in the U.S. and anywhere that has a pro-gasoline retail supply system in place. I think some folks have forgotten about the new CAFE requirements, if the government doesn’t back off of them. Which is not likely with gas at $3.25 and north. Halo car, sure there all always a few customers who want the hotrod, they may not drive it much, but they like to own it all the same. I think times, they are a changin, even out here in… Read more »
RS
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RS
5 years 8 months ago

Didn’t want to spoil the party yesterday,but really hope the SC is not only 146cm high like the sedan or the A6 Avant -which it would be an exact copy of- with this height, cargo space and hopefully interior materials.

For ease of loading, the tailgate opens down to bumper level with a lift-over height of only 648 mm (25.5″).

If they only had left the ‘only‘ out, I could have kept quiet. Hope this trend will end with the JC car or we have to forget about big dogs and Saabs…

Joe
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Joe
5 years 8 months ago
I would start off by marketing the set-up with largest possible market demand to get volumes up and make it attractive to sell Saabs, so something is done about souring sales figures. Which combination that may be is probably well known by Saab through experience and sales data. In case it’s not the Aero V6 XWD Auto, it’s fine. The halo effect of the top of the line Aero Sedan will still cast its light on the SC. My layman guess is 9-5 SC Turbo4 FWD Aut with satnav, sunroof, 18″ rims and an attractive price point + lease contract.… Read more »
Anders
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Anders
5 years 8 months ago

That is my guess as well, a loaded 9-5 SC FWD Aut with a good lease deal would sell more than V6 XWD’s.

Alex
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Alex
5 years 8 months ago

This car is very likely my next, my biggest worry is a lack of an Aero model for the SC, that would kill it for me. I am more concerned with the styling part and XWD, I could be sold on a 2.0 if the power is more than just adequate.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 8 months ago

What happend? This should have been a fun/great day and almost everyone is complaining even Swade!! Please stop now!! Its a great car and they have focused on the right things! You almost always have to compromise when you build a car! I love the new 9-5 SC!

Adrian
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Adrian
5 years 8 months ago

Doesn’t sound like any of the “compaints” are about the 9-5SC (except the comment about load height) – but about _possible_ marketing/range-import decisions by the US importer.

There’s not going to be any _production_ reason why 9-5SCs can’t be built with the full range of engine, drivetrain and trim options that are available in 9-5 saloons.

Marco
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Marco
5 years 8 months ago

It’s a beautiful car! I’m looking forward to the official information on the details…

Thylmuc
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Thylmuc
5 years 8 months ago

There is a legend in the automobile industry that buyers can be categorized into two groups; those that are stylish (they get a sedan), and those that want utility (wagon/SUV); and that there is no overlap between the two groups. Incidently, this led to the demise of the hatchback that imho has only been resurrected to meet consumption regulations.

Applying this legend, it makes sense to offer the 9-5 SC with the 2.0T, since that is a “reasonable” engine with high utility, since those in the stylish category wanting a stylish V6 will buy a sedan anyway.

Alex
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Alex
5 years 8 months ago
It’s a legend, far from a fact and very incorrect. I’m in the stylish catagory and I want the wagon, infact it’s a deal breaker for me if the wagon doesn’t come with at least the Aero styling package. There are plenty of people, esp here in the states that go stylish but buy SUVs and sports wagons. You really think Escalade or Range Rover buyers are looking for utility? The Audi A3 has seen a huge sales increase here as well, I know some of those people and they are very concerned with style, that’s why they bought and… Read more »
Phoenix
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Phoenix
5 years 8 months ago

My dream car would be the 9-5SC with TTID4, XWD in Aero spec.

Ken H
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Ken H
5 years 8 months ago

I think it looks very nice.

I will probably never be more than a tire kicker, though…

Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 8 months ago

Don’t you just love a decisive press release with full explanation of powertrains and options offered? Really nice work SCNA 🙂

In order to lighten the mood, I brought snacks to the party. Here’s a few fun photoshops of different colors with and without a possible (and come on, how is it not on the press model) panoramic sunroof.

Red J
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5 years 8 months ago
Jeff, yesterday I first posted the press release of SCNA, but it is not available at the SAAB media site. 🙁 But I still have the link on my History, so I can compare the SCNA text with the global text. On the Global press release you can read this about the engines. Backed by the same all-turbo gasoline, bioethanol and diesel powertrain line-up as the 9-5 sedan, the SportCombi includes Saab’s industry-leading XWD all-wheel-drive system and advanced features such as: Saab DriveSense adaptive chassis control, adaptive cruise control, Bi-Xenon Smart Beam adaptive lighting, keyless entry and starting, tri-zone air… Read more »
Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 8 months ago
I’m not complaining about you Red J, you did a fantastic job getting all the info there was to give right away, nice work actually :). I’m saying something seems fishy with this release…when they say, “Backed by a turbo engine,” they could mean “backed by a 2.0T or a 2.8T, not and. It just seems odd that they wouldn’t specify engines yet, right? I mean that’s pretty basic stuff for a press release that goes so far as to explain what sort of doodads are operating the electronic liftgate. I can’t imagine why they would leave that information out… Read more »
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UWb
5 years 8 months ago
The 9-3 range shall (in US) only be offered with 1 engine, the 2.0T, because that is, as is pointed out elsewhere, the trademark of SAAB’s is the four-cylinder with turbo. With the 9-5 range, it is a different question. I shall be offered with the four-cylinder, but should be offered with the six-cylinder as well in order to cover for most potential buyers. Concerning the AWD and the FWD, SAAB has just recently been starting offering the (superb) AWD system, BUT, it brings on weight and is not usually necessary unless you drive in winter landscape. I think the… Read more »
vince
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vince
5 years 8 months ago

hmm red one with the roof for me 🙂

Peter Jones
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Peter Jones
5 years 8 months ago

people, people, people,

why get so upset…the 9-5 SC will have one engine, just like the 9-5 saloon.

the only Saab I recall with 2 engines is ‘The Monster’ of 1956

Anonymoose
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Anonymoose
5 years 8 months ago

Lovely. I’d like the 9-5 SC 2.0T manual please. XWD would be nice but FWD is OK as long as the manual is available in the US. I suspect the 2.0T and XWD combination may not be available, much less with a manual transmission.

TuuSaR
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TuuSaR
5 years 8 months ago

Most likely more options will come later on, with Hirch, there’s no power problem with 2 liter engine.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 8 months ago

Regarding the trunk space. I think its big enough but I wonder how it could be smaller then the insignia? Insigna 540l and 9-5 sc 524l. Strange!?

Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 8 months ago

The only thing I can think here is they were somehow measuring volume not to the ceiling but some midway point for visibility? I know it makes no sense, but the trunk space of the sedan and the space behind the seats of the wagon is nearly identical. Only logical explanation I can think of unless they seriously tapered the rear.

adrian
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adrian
5 years 8 months ago

3% difference is easily explainable by the slightly different glass shape, or slight different trim shape/structure

OliverH
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OliverH
5 years 8 months ago
The 2.0T is the right size of engine and there will be more downsizing approach in the future. The Holden 2.8 T is not economical enough. Otherwise Saab has to buy the 2.0T, the 2.8T and the two different versions of the FIAT 1.9T(T)iD. So you can’t get a good price at this low level of sales we see currently. Integration and homologation costs are an other point to look at. Customer will look on fuel consumption / CO2 g/km because of tax issues and greener thinking. Saab stands for 4 cylinder with turbo. The Holden V6 has a good… Read more »
J Fan
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J Fan
5 years 8 months ago

I’ve been scanning the other forums and the response seems pretty positive.

Here’s one:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/forums/t/17299.aspx

People actually defending Saab!

Henke
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Henke
5 years 8 months ago

Adrian, But the SAAB 9-5 Sc is 2% longer and the new Saab 9-5 sc is only 3% bigger then the new SAAB 9-5 ss hmmm

SAAB 9-5 Sc 527l
SAAB 9-5 Ss 513l
Opel Insignia 540l

I think its strange numbers 🙂

saabdude
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saabdude
5 years 8 months ago

Come on now kids…look at it this way…the 9-5 SC is a REALITY! OK? 😀

Until there are OFFICIAL specs…everything is on the table.

It will come with an engine…it will have AT LEAST two wheels driven (FWD as a minimum), and most likely will have a transmission. I’d hate to have to push it around town…but if I have to…then I will. I just want the car!

And remember folks…Hirsch is now in the mix in the US…so for those who cringe at the thought of the 2.0T…let Hirsch breathe on it…and there will be all smiles. 🙂

saabdude
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saabdude
5 years 8 months ago

WARNING…cheeky response continuing here!! Sarcasm meter is pegged!

Oh…and by the way…there is a “small” car manufacturer in Germany, who is downsizing engines across their line as we speak. Replacing V6s with 2.0Ts…and replacing V8s with supercharged V6s.

I think their name is Audi…and they seem to be doing “OK” right now in selling cars.

So the lesson here is…don’t get your shorts in a wad until you know the entire story.

Rodney
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Rodney
5 years 8 months ago

I agree that manufacturers are going to smaller more Sophisticated motors BUT for a 50k performance sedan 300hp is expected. Anything less won’t sell here in the states. The new Ford F150 is an example of this. The flagship motor is a twin turbo V6. People can get over the numner of cylinders but they won’t except less HP. By putting in the 220hp they will have less HP than cars costing 20k less. HUGE mistake.

Phoenix
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Phoenix
5 years 8 months ago

You already have a 300hp performance sedan in the line up. If you start to compare how many horsepower you can get for the money the discusion will be difficult. There are plenty of small sports car with more power that costs a lot less then the 9-5 and all other cars in that segment.

saabdude
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saabdude
5 years 8 months ago
Your are right…but SAAB have already proven you can get close to 300bhp from a 4 cyl engine with the Turbo X. And I’m sure getting it to 300bhp is no problem at all. Horsepower isn’t the issue here I don’t think…it seems to be the number of cylinders putting that horsepower out that is causing angst amongst the flock. And it shouldn’t be. Case in point… http://www.worldcarfans.com/110042625865/f1-teams-close-to-agreeing-new-2013-engine-formula—4 Me thinks that F1 engines will have a tad MORE than 300bhp when they hit the tarmac. 😉 And remember these 1300-1500bhp 4 clyinder engines from F1 of years gone by? http://racingotaku.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/best-f1-engine/… Read more »
waffle911
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waffle911
5 years 8 months ago

The Turbo X was not a 4-cylinder. It was the very first time the 300HP turbocharged 2.8L V6 Holden engine made its appearance in a Saab. The old 2.3L 4-cyl B235R from the last-generation 9-5 was making 260HP before they retired the H-Engine family, and I think it could have done much better. Tuners have no trouble at all getting it to 300HP and beyond; I’d imagine that 300HP would be a pretty modest, street-able tune. I bet it would still make better than 27 on the highway, too, if they gave it direct-injection.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 8 months ago

Just something I was thinking about! What will you use all the HP for? There is mostly bad roads or traffic jams! 🙂

David.Baxter
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David.Baxter
5 years 8 months ago

Speedin!

Bravada
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5 years 8 months ago

2.0T with 260 HP – make it Hirsch if need be (i.e. a standard price + Hirsch upgrade, with no non-Hirsch cars available). One equipment version called “LOADED”. If Saab needs to earn $45K per car sold, just make it an $45K car, and not offer a bunch of models with different prices all of whom have to be discounted in the end because each one misses something.

Ted Y
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5 years 8 months ago
I’m worried for the 9-5 here in the States because of the low EPA mpg rating, even for the 2.0T. I was at my Saab/Cadillac dealer yesterday and looked at the 2.0T auto 9-5. It lists 220 HP and 18/28 (city/highway) mpg. Then I looked at a 2011 Cadillac CTS coupe, 304 HP, and AWD which showed 18/27 mpg, only one less mpg. I know the Caddy is a bit smaller, 8 inches, but it weighs about the same, has 304 HP, and is AWD. Maybe the Saab does better in actual use but the potential customer doesn’t know that.… Read more »
Ted Y
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5 years 8 months ago

Duh, I meant “where is the 2.0T made?”

North Toronto Punter
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5 years 8 months ago
Regarding Audi and BMW ‘down-sizing’ of engines…they are also ‘up-sizing’ the performance (in the conventional sense…never mind lowering CO2 and improving MPG…a juggling act Saab seems incapable of at the moment). @Saabdude: Where are the Saab supercharged 6’s? Where are the 8 speed Automatics? Saab is caught in no-man’s land right now. Their 4 cylinders (even expensively Hirsched) are hooked to previous generation automatics (and Folks, like or not, the vast majority of automobiles in North America are sold as such–Audis, BMWs, Mercs, Porsches even). And with latest generation ones from the Germans they shift faster than manuals anyways. That… Read more »
Adrian
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Adrian
5 years 8 months ago
“A juggling act Saab seems incapable of at the moment”? They’re doing stormingly well. 119g/km from 190bhp? But that’s the diesels, of course – and what they’re not doing so hot on is the petrol engines, though, and of course they’re the only ones you’re seeing that side of the pond. Could it be because they’re buy-ins from GM, rather than from Fiat? Does that give them less scope to fiddle and tickle? As for the multi-multi-multi speed autoboxes – seriously, what’s the point other than bragging rights? If there’s any kind of half-sensible torque curve, then 5 ratios is… Read more »
saabdude
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saabdude
5 years 8 months ago

“Stop the hemmorhaging and withdraw from the North American market until you have the other stuff sorted out.”

Totally unrealistic.

Being that the US is SAAB’s largest market…and adding in Canada as well…pulling out of North America is pure suicide…and will force Swade to start up ALFAsUnited.com.

“In the United States, which is Saab’s single largest market, Saab has reached several key objectives since its February 23 purchase by Dutch sports car maker Spyker,…”

http://saabsunited.saabklubben.se/2010/05/afp-report-on-saab.html

Do you really want SAAB to close its doors for good? Not likely.

North Toronto Punter
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5 years 8 months ago
@ Saabdude: With all due respect you’ve linked to a document from May 2010… “In the United States, which is Saab’s single largest market, Saab has reached several key objectives since its February 23 purchase by Dutch sports car maker Spyker, noted Michael Colleran, president and chief operating officer of Saab Cars North America. SAAB USA has built a staff, re-filled the pipeline to its 207 dealers and signed an agreement with what was then GMAC but is now Ally Bank, which is providing financing to Saab dealers and customers…. The styling for the 9-3 hasn’t been frozen yet but… Read more »
74stingray
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74stingray
5 years 8 months ago

Stop the hemmorhaging and withdraw from the North American market until you have the other stuff sorted out.

Really? You feel Saab would be better off pulling out of NA and just concentrating on Europe and other smaller markets?

Adrian
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Adrian
5 years 8 months ago

Last figures I seem to recall from before it all went pear-shaped had a total of about 20-25% of 9-3 and 9-5 sales being in the US.

The remainder of the US’s 30-odd% total share of Saab production was the US-only -X (pre 9-3x) models.

Barbapappa
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Barbapappa
5 years 8 months ago

True SAABs should only be equipped with small turbo charged four bangers. For me, that is one of the corner stones in the “SAAB way”.

North Toronto Punter
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5 years 8 months ago
@Sting: In parallel threds today, I’m reading glowing reviews and satisfaction with < 200 HP diesels (and understanding such given their fuel pricing) from our European Brothers and Sisters …and about congestion charges and insurance premiums based on low CO2 levels….and those realities are alien to my purchase decision here in the Wilds of North Toronto (and to anybody else I know, locally…). Things may change when (?) gas goes to $ 6.00 a gallon in US/Canada (well…we are a bit more expensive up here) but that's probably 2 years away …and if our governments bring in sanctions against CO2… Read more »
GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 8 months ago

“It seems Saab doesn’t really now what it is”

Smart Girl! But maybe Saab should capitalize on the fact that they fill the niche between Subaru and BMW &Co. I’ve read some comment today saying that there are 2 Saab buyers; those looking for a utility vehicle and those looking for a luxury car. I don’t agree, in the past this distinction didn’t exist, Saab was the smart choice because it combined both traits to some extent.

CarSnaab
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CarSnaab
5 years 8 months ago

This will be the true test of whether Saab/Spyker is a truly different thinker or just another mindless automaker. The mindless thing would be to say that wagons make a small % of sales and that manuals also make a small % of sales, therefore the wagons should be automatics. If Saab really wants to sell to evangelical enthusiasts who would anchor the company’s stability, they’ll offer manuals on all trims of all of their cars.

waffle911
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waffle911
5 years 8 months ago
Saab needs a focus group. Not one made entirely of soulless, unimaginative bureaucrats, but of the enthusiasts and loyalists who have stuck with the Saab name for the past 30+ years. Saab used to be something nobody else could be. Now’s it’s something nobody else wants to be. Back to the roots. Back to sensible, manual-transmission HOT hatchbacks with a splash of Scandinavian luxury, but not too much. Bring the features people want with good quality materials to lower price-points without going toe-to-toe with the Japanese and Koreans. Back to the middle, where it was a nice enough car to… Read more »
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