SU Hi-Po Challenge #6

Another entry in the SU Hi-Po Challenge.

This one comes from Till72. Unfortunately I’ve got to say that Till has succumbed to the temptation of designing the halo car that he’d like to see, rather than the halo car that Hi-Po advocates have said they’d like to see. As much as I’d enjoy seeing this car myself, it just doesn’t meet the criteria.

Still, here it is…..

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Just a quick idea for a, well, halo car. Maybe it’s not a real halo car, more a top of the line addition fort he more power hungry. I’ll ignore the demand for 350 hp because I personally think this is not nessesary for the car I have in mind.

My base is the current 9-3 where we have a bunch of Hirsch upgrades available:

1. As soon as the 2,0T DI engine is available with the facelift you can use the 260 hp upgrade for the 9-5. From what I’ve heared it may even develop 270 hp. No need for a V6, a 4-cylinder engine is more Saab.

2. XWD to handle the power.

3. Use the Hirsch suspension and brakes.

4. Put the complete Hirsch exterior package (carbon body kit, spoiler, honeycomb grille, exhaust and diffusor) on the car.

5. Apply the Hirsch leather interior and steering wheel.

6. Use the Hirsch 19“ wheels.

Some may say now that this is a car you could configure on your own. To make it more unique I’d do a few special things:

1. Offer just one special color like „Viggen blue“ or „Monte yellow“ that is not available on the standard models.

2. Use this color also on the rest of the car. For example on the stitching of the interior, accents on the leather seats and maybe the brakes.

3. Make the Hirsch wheels unique by a translucent gunmetal grey finish.

4. Do not offer these special parts as options on the standard models later (as done with the TX edition)

5. Limited number of for example 999 cars. Or 93 per year. Or…

A model mix of SportSedan, SportCombi and Convertible would be fine but as there is no XWD on the convertible I might limit it to Sedan and Combi.

About the costs…

Certification of the performance upgrade will be done anyway so it’s no real extra cost on that car. The complete Hirsch hardware might cost around 12000 Euros retail price. But as I can imagine that Saab gets a better price and you can count off some bucks for not having to use the standard parts and add some bucks for the use of special colors I’d estimate the extra cost at 7500 Euros. Using a special color on the car should not cost too much. The thing that’s hard to estimate is the cost of colored leather fort he seats. I had the cloth on the cloth/leather seats replaced with red leather in my recent Sport Combi and it cost me about 800 Euros so it should not be that bad.

Let’s estimate the additional cost at 8000 Euros. So the car could be sold at a reasonable price.

I had loved to use the TTiD on my Saab 9-3 Troll by Hirsch but with the issue of North America I’ll stick to the 2,0T.

It would add a performance model to the current lineup and maybe create some more attention for Saab. No need for Saab to compete with M3, RS4 and so on. Saab hast to go their own way of responsible performance.

OddJob
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OddJob
5 years 7 months ago

The Saab 4-cylinder is a detuned version of the 260 hp engine in Pontiac Solstice/Opel GT. There are software upgrades that takes it up to 312 hp/439 Nm (324 lb ft). This engine has potential.

Anders
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Anders
5 years 7 months ago

Yeah, this is something I would like to see. However, I would try to up the power beyond 300 hp/400nm because power and 0-60 numbers sell cars.

till72
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till72
5 years 7 months ago

Hmmm… maybe I could include some overboost function…?

74stingray
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74stingray
5 years 7 months ago
Yet another great entry, First, I’d like to thank TIll72 for taking the time and writing this proposal. These proposals have offered some pretty good reading. Now, on the the picking of nits… In this, and other proposals, I think Hirsch is leaned on too much. We all know Hirsch is good stuff however I’d like to see Saab people develop more of this car. II know there has to be some “motor heads” at Saab that could produce this car. Lean on Hirsch for some of the add ons…. just not all. Color choice…. i say offer 2 of… Read more »
till72
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till72
5 years 7 months ago
Good point on the blue and yellow combination… 🙂 About leaning on Hirsch… someone called me a Hirsch junkie today and he may be right but I tend to see Hirsch as Saab’s official performance division just like AMG was it for Mercedes. Sure there are some motorheads at Saab, too but when it comes to ressources and a certain focus at Saab on other things like green technology I think it’s not a mistake to work with a strong and experienced partner when it comes to performance. No offense taken, this proposal is here for discussion. And I appreciate… Read more »
74stingray
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74stingray
5 years 7 months ago

Oh… I am not saying to not use Hirsch…. but it would be good to see more SAAB branded performance.

🙂

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 7 months ago

Frankly, I don’t see Hirsch doing anything (some plastic pieces excluded) that Saab doesn’t have available already. I think I stand alone in this (at least in this forum), but I find delivering de-tuned versions of your cars and then have an after market tune them back up again is ripping off your customers. What happened to the Saab Special Vehicles Operations team?

JL
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JL
5 years 7 months ago
Regardless of criteria, this seems like a feasible and great idea, would love to see it realized 🙂 “Responsible performance” makes me think of an article I read recently, concerning the average number of HP´s in cars in different European countries. Switzerland was number 1, Sweden number two with an average of 141 HP´s/engine and Germany came in third. The data came from a German “car professor” in a German “car institute”. That article made me think that SAAB:s, having clearly more than 141 HP´s on the average, must be high on the performance list for “normal” cars for “normal”… Read more »
Thylmuc
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Thylmuc
5 years 7 months ago

Nice concept. It seems to me that you, too, put importance to aerodynamics must be the air here in Munich?!), and using the existing kit from Hirsch might be a better aproach than developping components anew (hope that Hirsch will offer such a kit for the 9-5 as well).

Do you happen to know if the kit will also reduce the drag coefficient? I couldn’t find any info on the Hirsch website.

till72
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till72
5 years 7 months ago

@Thyl: Since it optimizes airflow it may help, albeit not dramatical I think

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 7 months ago

Nice try Till, but a bit too much Hirsch for me.

Bit off topic, but Alfa is going to show off a new halo car:
“Reports suggest Alfa Romeo will reveal a mid engined, rear wheel drive sports car at the 2011 Geneva motor show”
from:
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/263068/new_alfa_romeo_4c_gta_sports_car.html

That’s a direct competitor for the Porsche Boxster!

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 7 months ago

GerritN – you can´t call the porsche boxster halo car. in austria it´s well known as womens porsche. 🙂

GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 7 months ago

The new Alfa is claiming halo status, not the Boxster.
I’m trying not to feel hurt, I like my little Boxster.

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 7 months ago

Don´t take it too serious 🙂

Jeff
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Jeff
5 years 7 months ago
I get what Gerrit is saying but I think Hirsch provides Saab an incredible opportunity to have an AMG equivalent like Till says. I don’t know why Saab can’t put the Hirsch performance in standard and then Hirsch go a step beyond where they are already, but for a company that was in liquidation one year ago, you take what you can get. I just think going forward Hirsch should be brought more into the fold as a performance arm if possible, it’s kind of cool to have your own AMG or M division. Maybe have Hirsch, Spyker, and Saab… Read more »
GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 7 months ago

I think that getting Hirsch closer to Saab is preferable. Right now I see them as an aftermarket tuner that is being fed proprietary Saab info to get a leg up over the other aftermarket tuners. Somehow this even sounds like unfair competition. Getting them ‘into the fold’ as you put it, would avoid those kind of issues.
On the other hand I’m pretty certain that the Saab engineers would do as good a job, if not better, than Hirsch. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make for a while now.

Toby
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Toby
5 years 7 months ago
I think long term that will happen..to have two such companies and not knowledge share would be foolish. And I agree you should be able to Hirsch the car on a pre order basis and still collect it from the Trolls in Sweden when they are done. I think their should be that in house option in the same way M/AMG work-which would leave the Swiss arm out in the cold unless you considered them the as Alpine the BMW they should then concentrate on bespoke special editions. I love the idea and as far as unfair competiion goes I… Read more »
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