Saab 9-3 TTiD SportCombi to get ‘Green Car’ status

Moved back to the top – this is by far the most important story of the day. It’s going to impact Saab’s sales in a number of European markets in a huge way.

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TTela.se has it black on white.

Yesterday on a customer event Kjell ac Bergstöm (Chief executive of Saab Powertrain) announced that during the Independence Day presentations Saab will introduce the 9-3 TTiD Sportscombi with an CO2 emission below the magic 120 g/km value.

They also say that the face-lifted 9-3 called Griffin (or Gripen in Swedish ??) will also be presented, but that is rather old news for a SaabsUnited reader. 😉

Jr.
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Jr.
5 years 7 months ago

Great news!

But it’s only one ‘p’ in Gripen…

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

Need some coffee Red J? 😉

Bergström with one M in the end, and Gripen with one P.. 😉

But hey, this is great news for all of us!

till72
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till72
5 years 7 months ago

Great news. Will surely push sales. 🙂

matsvbg
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matsvbg
5 years 7 months ago

Well done !

Now market the crap out of it !!

RS
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RS
5 years 7 months ago

+1
But can you say crap around here, unless your talking about Vo… 😉 (sorry)

Arild
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5 years 7 months ago

Great news! The sooner they can launch the low CO2 emission cars the better. Hopefully this will increase sales so that Saab can reach 80 000 cars.

Marco
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Marco
5 years 7 months ago

+1

Let’s hope that it will be out soon… Otherwise the autumn will be too busy for the production…

Red J
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5 years 7 months ago

MY dealer will be in Geneva on the 4th of March on a dealers meeting. He is getting all the information needed for the new models. After he returns the books will be open for the 9-3 griffin and the 9-5 SC.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

Hopefully next week! 🙂

Red J
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5 years 7 months ago

BTW,
does anybody know when the 2011 V70 Drive or V60 Drive will be available?

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

Don’t know – but the later the better for Saab! 😉

turbokalle
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turbokalle
5 years 7 months ago

I don`t know, but most likely. And most likely with a 109 hp engine. Moahahahahah.

Aeronauten
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Aeronauten
5 years 7 months ago

The V60 Drive can already be orderd, the production starts in week 11 from what I know. It is the D2 engine, 115 hp & 6 speed gearbox.

Cokeisit
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Cokeisit
5 years 7 months ago

Extremely good news!

Robert P
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Robert P
5 years 7 months ago

Does this mean the sportsedan also have a further 3gr CO2 reduction and comes under 117g/km? Then it is a nice fleet-option for the Netherlands as well. In the UK the value after three years for a Saab 9-3 is already raised by 500pound, so leasing becomes cheaper over there. Strangely I hardly ever read fleet-leasing stuff on SU, this is the most important retail channel for new cars, at least in Europe.

Red J
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5 years 7 months ago

Robert, we have to wait.
Maybe they have only worked on the SC, maybe not, nobody knows

Marco
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Marco
5 years 7 months ago

It is not stated how they have achieved it. Has it the same engine tuning or have they lowered the power on it? Or did they do something to the aerodynamics? Start/Stop? I believe we are talking about a great effort to achieve so little… But they are working on an old lady to keep her attractive to as many as possible. I believe they are also learning for the future as this co2 race will continue…

MrY
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MrY
5 years 7 months ago

…….. . I definately expect start&stop, and this will then have a positive effect also on the SS!

MrY
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MrY
5 years 7 months ago

……………. interesting this abouth the re-sale value. I bought a pre-Saab owned car (a 1 year old fully loaded 9-3 xwd Aero 1 1/2 year ago and I see similar ones selling for almost the same price that I paid then (almost 40% below list price of new one!).

The re-sale value is definately improving, great to see this happening also in other countries!!

Pat H
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Pat H
5 years 7 months ago

Cheeky trolls work harder than we think

Tompa
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Tompa
5 years 7 months ago

There is no doubt in my mind that the 9-3SC Eco TTiD will sell like hotcakes.

Sweden is, as stated a million times before, a combi nation and many have been waiting for this car or chosen a V50 1,6D istead.
In just a wee while we will see these cars begin to climb salestats in Sweden and the V50 will have a hard time… or be totaly outmaneuvered by the 9-3. And hopefully it will also give a great boost in sales in other nordic countries and in GB.

Cheers/Tom

aerobert
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aerobert
5 years 7 months ago

The V50 is already on it’s way out. It’s basically replaced by the V60. The soon to come V30 will replace the smaller segment.

The 9-3 SC will have a tough time against the modern design of the V60.

saab93f
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saab93f
5 years 7 months ago

Yes, the Ovlov is a newer car but there is absolutely nothing wrong with 9-3 SC compared to that. V60 is not bigger inside, Saab has more efficient engines and to top that all, the 9-3 is not ugly 🙂

I was nothing short of surprised how cramped the V60 really is – a good car but nothing else.

Tompa
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Tompa
5 years 7 months ago

The V60 is a a bigger car and much higher in price. And the V60 does not have an engine the likes of the TTiD on offer.
And the 9-3 will be replaced by the new one soon enough. So yes, the rival is the V50 wich will stick around for a while.
The new C30 is coming.. But nobody knows when.. And that is a small car in the C segment.

Cheers/Tom

Thylmuc
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Thylmuc
5 years 7 months ago

Price i can’t tell, but some weeks ago I had a look at the V60 and it has exactly the same length as the 9-3 (actually 2 cm shorter than the 9-3 wagon), and also the interior space seemed substantially identical, aside from little headroom on the rear seats. Did I miss something?

Tompa
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Tompa
5 years 7 months ago

Sorry about the error in size comparison… But prices are quite a bit higher forthe V60. And now as salesfigures show.. People normaly buying the V70 are moving towards the V60. The V60 is eating away at the V70´s profits. Can´t be good for Volvo looking at the quite young age of the V70II. Sorta canibalism.

Cheers/Tom

Cokeisit
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Cokeisit
5 years 7 months ago

The V60 will probably sell well but many people that test drive the V60 will realize what a small car it is. It is incredible small inside, I felt claustrophobic when driving it and the trunk space is a joke.

The only disadvantage the 9-3 has is that it may feel a little to old compared to the V60 (the interior is not up to date any more) but the 9-3 is much bigger and that is something that attracts combi lovers in Sweden.

Troels, Denmark
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5 years 7 months ago

Quality of design is about so much more then age…… 🙂
9-3 SC still has only one rival in its segment, regarding design-quality; Alfa Romeo 159… 🙂

Fredrik
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Fredrik
5 years 7 months ago

It’s called Griffin in Sweden too!!

Cokeisit
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Cokeisit
5 years 7 months ago
OFF-TOPIC: I’m doing one of those much loved off topics 🙂 It looks like the deliveries of the 9-5 has increased lately. At least it looks like that out on the streets in the Gothenburg area. I haven’t seen as many new 9-5 as I have now in February. I have seen them in many different colours, fjord blue, oak, white, black red and so on so it’s not just the same car that I see all the time 😉 When it comes to company cars it’s common to pick them up one of the first days of a month… Read more »
Peter, Sweden
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Peter, Sweden
5 years 7 months ago

I have only seen four or five NG9-5’s — ever — in Stockholm. I drive to work almost every day so I see hundreds and hundreds of cars daily, but the 9-5 just doesn’t seem popular at all over here :/

Janne
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Janne
5 years 7 months ago

I see new NG9-5:s every day in Stockholm, sometimes several. I drive and walk a lot in Stockholm. I’ve seen mostly Biopower, TID and some Turbo6, Linears, Vectors, and some Aeros, and mostly dark coloured. I believe 9-5 has started gaining in popularity this year. Still far from the old one, but definitely gaining.

LMG
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LMG
5 years 7 months ago

Slow start, but they are coming out in much larger numbers lately. This month I guess I’ve seen at least 10.
My bet however, is that most potential buyers (company lease) are waiting for the SC.

//LMG

Anders
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Anders
5 years 7 months ago

I agree, the number of NG Saab 9-5’s are increasing. I just saw one passing by the window. It’s not a rare sight in Sweden anymore.

MrY
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MrY
5 years 7 months ago

………….. I saw 4 within one hour today on the west coast side of Sweden and I saw one REALLY gorgeous red Aero a couple of hours earlier …………

They are very much gaining in popularity, visitng my local dealer earlier in the week, they had two vehicles with sold signs in their show room (MY10s, but still!)

Joe
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5 years 7 months ago

I’m also in GBG and they are rare while new S60’s and V60’s are everywhere. Don’t understand where the Swedish 9-5 deliveries are going. I don’t understand it because the 9-5 is in the same ballpark w.r.t. pricing (and probably more discounted right now) and makes such a majestic and sexy impression on the street. I guess it has to do with supply, that delivery times are extremely late or that dealers aren’t present and pushing. This ought to be Saabs home ground.

Cokeisit
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Cokeisit
5 years 7 months ago

Well, the S/V60 is very popular by people working at a certain company that employs a lot of people in Gothenburg 😉

I worked as a consultant on a project at that particular company last year and surprisingly many of the “real” employees think that the S/V60 is the worst cars that has been built by that company. It’s too cramped and small is the common perception of the cars but I guess when they get their discount they can live with it being just a small car.

Pedro
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Pedro
5 years 7 months ago

Yeah… S60/V60 is all about style, nothing about functionality. I love the looks of the V60 wagon and I would buy one if I had the money; but I’m a single guy with no kids who would be valuing style over practicality with such a purchase. There’s still room for a V70 as the practicality and cargo capacity model IMHO 😉

Joe
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Joe
5 years 7 months ago

What I consider the problem to be with Volvo is that they are suckers for any ongoing trend. Right now – sports tourers with sloping roof line and compromised luggage space, along with other me-too attributes. Pits V60 (Volvos outspoken goal to aim products towards customers thinking there is more to life than cars) against e.g. Opel Astra Sports Tourer 1.4, costing 100k SEK less. Saab at least has principles, integrity and their own way of thinking – not nervously running to stores shopping for pink jerseys and white loafers as soon as such desperate trends appears on TV.

Troels, Denmark
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5 years 7 months ago

Joe, I do agree with you. Volvo are following the trends, don’t really dare to be different and thus make un-interesting design, with details not according to the wholeness… Volvo; so boring that they have to call themselves naughty… 😉 (Sorry)

Tomas TL1000R
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Tomas TL1000R
5 years 7 months ago
Pedro I agree with you, V60 is nice. Joe and Troels, i dis agree. Volvo have the funktionality in other models like the V70 so why shoulden´t they do a little bit “fun” car to drive. If it would be a Saab you should have praised it. I´m an former Volvo person and changed that because Saab makes more fun cars to drive. And I am Swedish and a patriot even if we talk Volvo. My heart is with Saab cos they need me more then Volvo and Saab got Saabs United, which is addictive and the fact that this… Read more »
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x
5 years 7 months ago

I’m also in Göteborg and now I see new 9-5 almost everyday, bat as we all know, most are waiting for the SC. The reason you see so many S60/V60 is because Volvo workers (and sub contractors) have them as company cars. You cannot show up at Volvo as a sub-contractor in anything else than a Volvo. It’s always like that in Göteborg, when there is a new Volvo model released you see a lot of them in just a couple of weeks after it’s debut.

Toby
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Toby
5 years 7 months ago

Sadly here in Oxford I have only seen 2 since launch.
I do however see many 10/60 registration 9-3 cars-they just seem to be more popular round here. So generally for this part of the UK -I am still worried about the future, I keep thinking I should just go a get one to help out.

Cokeisit
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Cokeisit
5 years 7 months ago

I parked my fusion blue car outside the Volvo Cars HQ everyday for almost a year 🙂 It was one of few beautiful cars in that parking lot 🙂

Actually, there are a mixture of cars at their parking lot but of course it’s dominated by their own brand.

Many sub contractors drive Saab even if they work at Volvo for the moment, nothing strange about that.

Gustaf
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Gustaf
5 years 7 months ago

I work for a 0vlv0lv0 company and I show up proud in my SAAB every day. Maybe some of guys here dislike that, I don’t know.

Aero
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Aero
5 years 7 months ago

I live in GOT as well and today on my way from Mölndal to Långedrag (approx 15km) I saw two ng9-5. As we know, the 9-5 sells better than og A6 and honestly how many A6 facelifted Sedans do you see every day?

Pedro
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Pedro
5 years 7 months ago

Yay! 😀

matsvbg
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matsvbg
5 years 7 months ago

I dont think delivery times in Sweden are that bad for the 9-5, my boss ordered his in November and got it 6-7 weeks later just before newyear.

TuuSaR
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TuuSaR
5 years 7 months ago

Person in Finland ordered a 9-3 and estimated delivery time was 10 weeks, have to remember that Saab slowed down the production this year.

pekko
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pekko
5 years 7 months ago

there in SU was link to some swedish mag’s article stating that daily production already raised from 100 cars to 230 . So seems that demand is rising… It is very good news for 80k cars target. bads news is that 9-5 is not selling that well. i am quite sure that grossmargin of 9-5 is much higher than 9-3.

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 7 months ago

I think the 9-5 will sell after the release of the SC. If i look at the old 95 in austria – 70 % were SC. The sedan is a special US thing.

Tomas TL1000R
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Tomas TL1000R
5 years 7 months ago

Same in Sweden, about 80% is my guess. But it must take of in the north America and UK to be a 80 000 year. I think atleast 15 000 units can be sold in SWE this year but i´m not sure about the UK market and SCNA. Hopefully they do well and “the small country” can go better than expectation.

JH
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JH
5 years 7 months ago
This is very good news! 😀 I expect that this new Saab 9-3 SportCombi TTiD EcoPower shall sell very well in Sweden and hopefully in the rest of Europe too, since it offers a combination of space, power and low emissions that no other can manufacturer can match today. Historically, Saab sales numbers in Sweden (and I think something similar globally) have been divided into approximately 80 % SportCombi and 20 % SportSedan versions. That means that the addition of the 9-3 SportCombi EcoPower and the 9-5 SportCombi to Saab’s lineup this year will make the sales numbers increase drastically.… Read more »
lala
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lala
5 years 7 months ago

More good news: Saab france will expand and add 9 dealers to the 50 French out dealers that are out there. Also in Mauritius and Guadeloupe!

The goal at the end of 2011 is to finalize contracts with nine other dealers in Bordeaux, Nantes, Grenoble, Montpellier, Compiègne, Annecy, La Roche sur Yon and overseas in Guadeloupe and in Mauritius. Negotiations are underway for additional dealerships in Lyon, St. Germain en Laye, Versailles, Cergy Pontoise, Amiens and Dijon. Sales targets for 2011 for Saab in France are the 1360 cars will be safely achieved through new dealer provided.

Googletrans:

Tomas TL1000R
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Tomas TL1000R
5 years 7 months ago

Great news! Viva la France ( we won the war back in 1648 together-30 åriga kriget).

Joe
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Joe
5 years 7 months ago
It’s lovely with frugal yet powerful Saabs that make the 120g hurdle. One thing I can’t understand though is why it should be such a sales booster to go from say 121g to 120g. I don’t see any major financial differences in cost of ownership. OK, you pay no road tax for 5 years but what you are paying for a 120g car year 6 is just a few crowns less than what you are paying for the 121g car from day 1, since the only difference between them is a slightly smaller CO2-component which affects the tax proportionally. I… Read more »
Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

If I understand it correct – it’s about residual value when the lease is over after 3 years. With a sub-120 co2-car you get a higher value on the car then.

Also – if I think right – this is connected to what companies may allow as lease cars for their employees. Sub-120 cars are more financially promoted. Hope someone else can fill in on the details.

Daniel G
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Daniel G
5 years 7 months ago

I am not 100% sure, but I think there are companies in Sweden that require Green Car cars. You cannot choose a 121g/co2 car, but you can choose a 119g/co2 car.

Tim
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Tim
5 years 7 months ago

I’m not familair with the situation in Sweden but I know that the <117g/km level is important for many companies in the Netherlands. If Saab would manage to get some engines below that level it would be a major sales booster.

Red J
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5 years 7 months ago
I’m not Swede, and I don’t live in Sweden, but from what I’ve read till now, these are the reason I think people prefer a 119g car rather than a 122g car. – Company cars. In many companies, afaih, no company cars with more than 120g are permitted. – Such cars are called ‘green cars’. (Saab was not allowed to use an ant in their ads but the Swedish government can decide what an ecological car is or not.) And for many people to own a ‘green car’ is a status symbol. – And there is also the fight between… Read more »
TurboLover
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TurboLover
5 years 7 months ago

… and you do not have to pay any car tax for the first 5 years if you buy a sub 120g car

MrY
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MrY
5 years 7 months ago

…………… car tax for my 9-3 XWD Aero is >1500 USD over five years and this combined with the lower consumption is really a benefit to be counted for many “underpaid” Swedes who wants a modern car!

If the choice is between al slow goat with 110hp VW, Volvo, Bimmer and a super torqueey 180hp Saab Diesel then the less modern interior might be acceptable!! This will bring sales, big sales in the region whe this benefit is available!!

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago
What I find very interesting about all this <120-cars from Saab within a year after it's been released from the GM-chain. It is so very obvious that GM stopped this development and that the engineers at Saab knew how to do it all along. This is something that has damaged Saab very much as competitors have had <120-cars for many years in Sweden while Saab hasn't. Also – we do not know at what CO2-level the cars presented next week will be. Will it "just" be 119 – or hopefully even lower? Why I'm a bit concerned about this is… Read more »
GerritN
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GerritN
5 years 7 months ago

From a financial point of view CO2 levels are totally uninteresting in the US, since there are no mandates from the federal government. Even the mileage is not overly important. Car manufacturers just have to show that the average mileage of their whole model line is under some number. This explains the sudden appearance of the Volt, i just lowers this average number. Don’t get fooled into thinking that American car makers are in any way interested in saving the environment.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

GerritN – yes, I do understand the big difference from Europe vs. USA regarding taxation on cars and so. Perhaps this point of view in the US has it’s roots in the “big car – big engine” thinking that was very dominant before. Now I might say it has shifted a bit, but still big cars sells very well compared to smaller ones.

Bernard
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Bernard
5 years 7 months ago
It’s no so much “big car – big engine,” as much as it’s a tradition of taxing all cars the same amount regardless of engine size, load capacity, fuel economy, color, owner’s occupation, etc. I’m sure that a lot of Europeans would go for a “big engine” if they didn’t have to pay so dearly for them. I know almost every German and Fin I’ve ever met had a thing for big powerful cars. Mind you, the US does have some laws that attempt to influence what people buy, either directly through the “gas guzzler” tax, or indirectly through CAFE… Read more »
Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

No doubt that many European car owners would go for a bigger car if the taxation system were different. But since this sub 120-incentive has been going on for a while it’s becoming more and more environmentally aware people everywhere.

With the same taxation on every car without any diversity, then the system get a bit “weak” trying to encourage people go for smaller cars.

Engineer
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Engineer
5 years 7 months ago
Besides lower fuel cost and tax reduction a big driver is the European and US corporate fleet average. From MY12 in EU, the OEM’s will be penalized for each additional gram CO2 per car where the base value depends many things but it origins from the magic 119g/km. The penality increases rapidly per year to, was it 2016? In a worst case scenario an OEM may not actually afford to sell cars because the penalty cost is too high… So, to actually survive as a car manufacturer the sold cars (not produced or on sale!) have to be low emission… Read more »
Red J
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5 years 7 months ago

Carl-Henrik,
it has been posted here that Saab, on 2008 I think, went to Opel to tell them that they wanted to get the TTiD 180 under 120 grams, but they needed the help from Germany to convince GM that it was Money well spent. The guys at Opel laughed and said that it was impossible to get a 180hp engine under 120g.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 7 months ago

Yes, I do remember something like that as well. GM through Opel thought it wasn’t possible and then all of a sudden Saab engineers did it anyway. For me – that is a quite clear signal that Saab is capable of many things that others thought were impossible.

And this will be very interesting in regard of the eAAM and the NG 9-3. 😉

Red J
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5 years 7 months ago
Talking about the NG 9-3. I’ve heard somewhere that Saab is willing to get the car under 50g (Volvo will present a < 50g V60 in Geneva). And after reading this Man kan dock tillägga att regeringen också utreder en ”supermiljöbilspremie” som särskilt skulle gynna fordon som släpper ut 50 gram koldioxid per kilometer. Det skulle sannolikt gynna elfordon och elhybrider särskilt – men reglerna kring detta är inte klara. I get the impression that Saab would like the Swedish government to give enough incentives for such a car, as it will be a little bit more expensive than a… Read more »
MrY
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MrY
5 years 7 months ago

………… Saab still does almost all the turbo engine maping/tuning for GM/Opel, they do not have a clue about this technology in Rüsselsheim! They have a couple of so called experts, but in comparisson to Saab they are complete novices!

Barbapappa
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Barbapappa
5 years 7 months ago

I always get so sad when I hear about all the arrogance coming from Opel. In my opinion Opel is the major reason why saab has been so neglected during the GM era. And they have not even actually achieved anything that gives them the right to act that way. The only thing they achieved is to go from having about 22% of the car market in Germany in the 1950 to about 7% or so 2010.
Sorry for complaining…

Patrik B
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Patrik B
5 years 7 months ago

If I remember correctly these new rules would be effective the 1st of January 2012 if they are approved by the Swedish government. So there is still plenty of time for Saab to sell.

Joe
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Joe
5 years 7 months ago
As I understand it the key point in the Swedish Governments’ delayed decision setting new rules for green cars, effective 2012, is about requirements to get reduced benefit value (förmånsvärde) which is added and taxed on top of your salary when you are driving a car that somebody else (your employer) pays for (with deductible and therefore untaxed money). Today 40% off if the car at least partially can run on CNG/electricity (thirsty Lexus SUV hybrids included) and 20% off in case of bioethanol (which few use because it’s cheaper to fill her up with gasoline). Hence no downside skipping… Read more »
Tomas TL1000R
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Tomas TL1000R
5 years 7 months ago
Swedish Vi bilägare have the same article http://www.vibilagare.se/nyheter/saab-93-sportcombi-far-miljodiesel-30375 but thats not all, I am an Subscriber and in the new magacine nr 3 (22/2) the 9-5 in the winter test actually won the test. Good to know and the test was in deep cold in the northern Sweden (-32 Celsius). “Saab superb in snow”, “Saab 9-5 is by margin the most skild winter car of all the 5 new cars tested” -Saab 9-5 Sedan 2,0T/220 -Ford C-max 1,6 Diesel/115 -Volvo V60 1,6T/180 -Opel Meriva 1,3 Diesel/95 -Dacia Duster 1,5 Diesel/109 The average fuel consumtion (on the 9-5)was only 7,5 L/100km… Read more »
Stefan
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Stefan
5 years 7 months ago

I guess it was FWD? Good figure nevertheless…

TuuSaR
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TuuSaR
5 years 7 months ago

Finnish mag TM had also their winter test with 19 new diesel cars. Saab 9-5 was shared 3rd and Volvo S60 D3 won.

Rune
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Rune
5 years 7 months ago

In that case, the V60 must be an immense improvement over the V50. I can categorically state that the V50 in snow and on ice is little better than sitting in a baby stroller.

Good for Ovlov.

Marco
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Marco
5 years 7 months ago

Teknikens Värld has some technical information on the 9-3 SC. It has the 180hp engine with 400Nm of torque.

Neil
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Neil
5 years 7 months ago

“But there’s more. I also have a soft spot, small as it is, for a good muscle car.”

*In my Boss Hogg voice* (from the Dukes of Hazzard), “Ha HA! Son of a gun……I KNEW you had it in ya’!”

maanders
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maanders
5 years 7 months ago

…and in my best Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane voice, “Gii…, gii…., giiuh.”

Neil
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Neil
5 years 7 months ago

Sorry….wrong post……..

J Fan
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J Fan
5 years 7 months ago
As a ‘Volvo guy’, I can confirm that the V60 looks little more than a tarted up Renault Megane Estate. It is absolutely tiny, or at least the glass area is given how much is tapers up and in at the back. Had the pleasure of inspecting one at the dealer a few weeks ago… As much as I dislike it, it does look very modern – which could be the downside of the 9-3. But alas, that downside should only last a year or so until the next 9-3 arrives. Great news with the Saab output, let’s hope it… Read more »
Aeronauten
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Aeronauten
5 years 7 months ago

You get à lot of equipment in the V60 but a bit dull engine. The choice is simple for me, I hope to place my order for a 9-3 SC during next week. 🙂

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