Saab UK sales data – February 2011

The UK market doesn’t seem to be in its best shape.

The Press release from the SMMT starts wit less than encouraging list of figures.

· New car registrations fell less than expected in February, dropping just 7.7% to 63,424 units.
· February outturn was above expectations and only just below the scrappage-boosted 2010 market.
· Registrations over the first two months of 2011 were down 10.2% to 192,235 units.
· First six months of 2011 are expected to be down by 8.3% before picking up in the latter half of the year.
· February typically accounts for just 3% of annual sales, ahead of the March plate change.

Said that Saab has sold 160 cars in February in the UK up from 84 cars last year.

Saab had in February a market share of .25% leaving behind Porsche (.17%), Subaru (.13%) and Lexus (.12%), but still behind Jaguar (.37%) or Alfa Romeo (.45%)

The YTD value is 612 cars (0.32% share) up from 212 (0.1 % share) in 2010.

The UK have two peak registration months, the first of it is march. In 2010 Saab sold about 1500 cars in March, in 2009 the value was about 2400, Saab should reach the 2009 level.

UPDATE:
Those are the sales numbers in the UK during the last 3 Years, where maybe only 2008 can be seen as a normal year.

Arild
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5 years 6 months ago

The first two months of 2011 leaves Saab with lot’s a work to be done the coming 10 months! Around 5000 cars sold in January and February means that Saab must sell 75000 cars the rest of the year. That’s 7500 cars each month and that’s three times as many as the average for January and February. Let’s hope the 9-5 SportCombi, the 9-4X and the 9-3 SportCombi 119g/km can do wonders for Saab.

Polismyndigheten
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Polismyndigheten
5 years 6 months ago

The UK figures are very seasonal due to two registration plate changes each year and so sales in Feb are always low, private motorists are waiting for the new March ’11’ plated cars and companies are often waiting until a financial year change in April.

On a positive note I am told that the wait times for VW Bluemotion low CO2 vehicles is seeing company customers head to the 119g 9-3 as an almost immediate delivery alternative.

The 119g 9-3 Combi should steal many more sales with the refreshed Griffin variants, high spec, high power, low tax, it’s what ‘Mondeo’ man wants.

Talladegan
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Talladegan
5 years 6 months ago

+1

MariusGTV
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MariusGTV
5 years 6 months ago

It’s what I would want as well if only my bleedin’ company would put it on their company car list!!

WooDz
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WooDz
5 years 6 months ago

We must remember that averages are made up of peaks and troughs. That sounds condescending however; January and February are predominately quite months in virtually every industry field but especially in sales. As written above, UK has 2 peak peak sales months because where the registration plate number changes, hence more cars are registered in March and September.

As I wrote last month, It’ll be more interesting when we see the figures at the end of this month…

Arild
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5 years 6 months ago

Does anybody (Carl-Henrik?) have Saab sales data for a whole year month by month before the car crises? It would be interesting to see how many per cent of the yearly sales that are done in which month.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

I have some sales data yes, but not at hand right now. Let me give it a overview in the evening.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago
Ok, I couldn’t wait doing this because I had the laptop with me: Remember this is only for the U.K.-market. Legend: YYYY = Year % = Specified month sales as percentage of year total sum. M1 = January M2 = February M1+M2 = January + February APM: Average per month YYYY: M1 % + M2 % = M1+M2 % 2001: 8,7 % + 2,4 % = 11,1 % 2002: 8,8 % + 3,4 % = 12,2 % 2003: 6,9 % + 2,9 % = 9,8 % 2004: 5,4 % + 2,7 % = 8,1 % 2005: 5,9 % + 2,6… Read more »
Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

I get it !! [LOL]

Cheers!

Arild
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5 years 6 months ago

You should make a webpage where you keep track of historical sales data and make forecasts, graphs etc. 🙂

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

+1

I totally agree! I’ll even host it, if wanted?

Cheers!

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

I want to use SU for that.. but I better take that with Swade and Red J.
And I should know if I had the time to do that.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago
A note on the APM (6,4 % + 2,8 % = 9,3 %) in the post above. Remember that it includes the numbers for 2010 that can lower the average, and now let’s see how that could affect this type of “predictions” (which aren’t reliable at all). I did a calculation on the APM – the numbers for 2010, and then we have the following numbers to work with: APM 2001-2009: 6,9 % + 3 % = 9,9 % Then we apply the APM 2001-2009 on the 2011 numbers: 2011: January 452 cars + February 120 cars = 572 cars… Read more »
ouch
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ouch
5 years 6 months ago

Didn’t SAAB said their figures for feb looked better than for Jan ? with that low UK sales there is no way feb sales are going to pass Jan ones…. this is looking really bad, IMHO.

Fredrik M
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Fredrik M
5 years 6 months ago

If I got them right, SAAB announced that the number of ORDERS looked good for February. That is different from the so called sales data which refers to the number of registrations.

goose
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goose
5 years 6 months ago

I believe JAJ confirmed that orders (and not sales) significantly increased in February which means that sales will arise accordingly in about two months. Still no reason for concern…..

Ante
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Ante
5 years 6 months ago

What they said is that orders in february was looking better than any month since Spyker take-over. These are retail values of orders from dec-jan. It isn’t looking good but the post gm record orders from v7 in feb will be retail stats in march-april…

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

This is actually catastrofic numbers!!

AyrshireXC90
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AyrshireXC90
5 years 6 months ago

I don’t agree. To put it in to perspective, Saab’s position in the monthly sales chart is fairly stable at present, and they are maintaining their lead over one of their “direct” competitors, Subaru (sales are about twice as large). Interestingly, they have now overtaken Lexus. To manage to shift this number with new models waiting in the wings is good. I agree with some of the others; the March change to an “11” plate will lift the numbers considerably.

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

This is actually catastrofic numbers!!

Erhm, no! Firstly Saab has doubled it’s numbers, compared to last years. Secondly Saab is raising, in a market that’s is still going down (7.7%)….

So no, no need to worry…

Cheers!

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

ONLY if we look at the numbers for February.
Please see the equation I did above it it might help to explain the situation perhaps.

Troels, Denmark
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5 years 6 months ago

You made it very clear and understandable!
What I would find even more interesting would be to get sales-numbers (absolute numbers – not percent’s) months for months for 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011. Global-numbers and numbers for the most important countries. (If they are available)

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

Oh.. I have those numbers. Back to 2001 for U.K., Sweden, and the U.S.A. The other markets.. well there I lack some stats.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

This is not good numbers!! We wont even get close to 80000 sold cars in this pace and it just get harder and harder to catch up on a weak market!

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

Did you even understand, that the month of february is actually the slowest of the whole year, in possibly EVERY market….?

Cheers!

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

The 3 biggest markets US, Swe and uk need to average around 20000 each a year and know we arent even close!!! At this pace we are close to 2009 pace around 39000 sold cars 🙁

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

Are you completely lost?????

Cheers!

SteveW
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SteveW
5 years 6 months ago

OT: Has anyone else thought that Vladimir Antonov looks like Martin Freeman? He’d be perfect to play him in a film about Saab’s successful battle for survival 🙂

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

No I am not you are lost!!!! Show me numbers that I am wrong!!!

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

What the heck are you making all this fuss about then!?

You making predictions and horror scenarios, based on the sales data, from the two slowest month in a whole year, from only three markets, and without even relating to the fact that there’ll be a 9-5 SportCombi later in the year, and in two months time also a 9-4X…
So please, lighten up!!

Cheers!

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

And not to be forgotten: the 9-3 SC sub 120g CO2/km… 😉

Lasse
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Lasse
5 years 6 months ago
The latest sales numbers for January and/or February are quite encouraging, and this holds for both the so-called smaller markets and the so-called larger markets. In most of the small markets, Saab has sold twice as many cars compared to same month 2010. Similar figures for the UK – 160 to 84. Even in Sweden, Saab has again increased significantly. Only the US is still slow-moving. Given that 2010 was only bit more than half a year, and that there are additional 9-5SC and 9-4x sales from mid-2011, they can still reach the target. Personally I think they will end… Read more »
TuuSaR
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TuuSaR
5 years 6 months ago

First of all, nobody has Saab’s total global sales and production figures, they are not public until Q1 report comes. Secondly the things that make difference into sales, like 9-3 Combi(119g), new 9-3 gasoline engine, 9-5 Combi and 9-4X are not showing in any sales yet.

Unless coming Q1 report shows something totally bizarre, things look quite positive, at least in smaller markets.

Åsmund
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Åsmund
5 years 6 months ago

Thank you, TuuSaR,

lets be positive and constructive until the Q1 report is out.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

Its not horror senarios! Its simple fact that they wont make the target!!! I feel sorry for them as they should have had lower targets and then over achive! And even JaJ had said that they need 39/cars an hour to reach 80000 cars and they havent turned up the pace from 28 cars until early april it will be to late! Thats a fact!

DryRiser
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DryRiser
5 years 6 months ago

Sorry, but your maths is off, dude.

That’s only a fact if they start with zero stock and are only selling cars made in Trollhattan. Neither of those is the case.

Fredrik
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Fredrik
5 years 6 months ago

Please tell me how you can come to the conclusion that it is a *fact* that they won’t make the target?

Fredrik
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Fredrik
5 years 6 months ago

And please keep your comments in one thread, if possible.

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

Has nothing to do with facts! It’s all about what you think. Has nothing to do with reality. You can not base 365 days of sales, on 60 days, and then just add up. That’s waaaaay unserious…

Cheers!

eduardo_spain
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eduardo_spain
5 years 6 months ago

In my opinion, the UK figures are a little disappointing. However, I think the positive thing is the trend observed througout the bigger and smaller Saab markets, which indicate more and more people have recovered their trust in the brand and certainly more will follow, and all this considering the poor economic situation in many countries, especially in Spain.

Edonis
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Edonis
5 years 6 months ago

I apologize if this has been mentioned already, but according to e24.no Saab sold 58 cars in February in Norway. 12 of these were 9-5s, and in total there has been sold 19 Saab 9-5s in 2011. With 58 cars sold last month, Saab is the 24th most sold brand in Norway. They also report that they have received a lot of interest for the 9-4X, and expect to sell between 25-50 (which I’m guessing is yearly).

I’m positive Saab will boost sales with the arrival of the 9-5SC, as almost 70% of the cars in this class are wagons.

Greven
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Greven
5 years 6 months ago

So If I understand it correctly, Saab has sold 116 cars this year in Norway!? Anyone know how many Saab sold last year (january-february)?

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

January 2010 in Norway: 20.
February 2010 in Norway: 23.

But the numbers I have for 2011 is different from Edonis numbers:
January 2011: 34.
February 2011: 53.

Correct me if my numbers are wrong.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

Its not possible!!!

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

Of course it’s possible! Some of the cars are being produced in Mexico, and it’s very easy to start up a second shift in Trollhättan – they are ready.

P.S.: As Fredrik mentioned – please reply under the the very text you want to comment! – not at the very buttom of the page, as you do now!

Cheers!

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

Cant you read!!!!!! Its not possible on my iphone since I use the mobile version on the site!!! And you are wrong about the producing numbers!! Just because you love SAAB as I do you dont need to live in a dreamworld!

TurboLover
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TurboLover
5 years 6 months ago

Please Gentlemen, calm down. The proof is in the pudding – let see how it plays out.
We can not know the exact future, let us just hope for the best and be polite towards eachother.

Have a nice weekend by the way!

Keep on Saabin’

goose
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goose
5 years 6 months ago

Agree!

Please keep this thread nice and friendly. Should remain a fun to read and we’ll see who’s wrong or right.

Saab up! Sales up!

saabdriver
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saabdriver
5 years 6 months ago

Henke, enough is enough, please do no poplute anymore. I (we) have got your message. Take your Saab for a spin and just enjoy. I will take a ride with my old Hirsch viggen today, tomorrow the 9-5 and at Sunday the 9-3SC.

Henke have a nice weekend

Razvan
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Razvan
5 years 6 months ago

but you have also a “comma” free iPhone? with extra “exclamation” sign instead?

Henke, please read Carl-Hendrick long comment with jan-feb numbers from other years to see some numbers.

Henrik B.
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5 years 6 months ago

I sure would understand, if you would put two more words together, indstead of just – “It’s not possible”. Nobody knows what og who you’re answering.

About the numbers, I’ll let them talk for themselves, and let you to your iPhone and your negativity!!

Cheers!

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

Henrik B, If you are so sure about your numbers please show how you calculate?? I Cant guess how you think!!

Svenskman
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Svenskman
5 years 6 months ago
Stating the obvious, I know, but it seems that in large measure the sluggish sales figures are due to the fact that as of now there are really only two new models being sold: the 9-3 sport sedan and the 9-5 sedan. This is not a lot to choose from, especially when the current 9-3 hasn’t been updated (but will see modest updates with the Griffin) and the 9-5 is rather high priced. Over $40K in the U.S. This is out of reach for many people. However, when the SportCombi and SUV models are introduced on sales floors numbers should… Read more »
zippy
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zippy
5 years 6 months ago

I dont think price has anything at all to do with it. Look at the sales figures for those posh German brands. Its all about marketing.

Svenskman
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Svenskman
5 years 6 months ago
That’s a good point, zippy. People do buy very expensive cars. But I don’t think Saab has as much cache as BMW, Mercedes, or Audi for the general public. (I drive a Saab 9-3, so the German brands are not my preference so mine is not a comment on quality or value). You are quite right about marketing. But I don’t think that they can expect that their most expensive model will drive new sales. As I wrote above, I live in a market that sells a lot of Saabs. I see 10-20 every day on my commute. Only ONCE… Read more »
Hawk
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Hawk
5 years 6 months ago

Henke, you are going about your predictions the wrong way. You do not take sales from the first two, and slowest, months of the year and multipy them by 6.

In the forcasting of sales, there are peaks and valleys. Some months are traditionally good & a some are traditionally slower. The best way to get a good estimate is to look back over previous years and use weighted averages from individual months.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

Hawk, Im not doing what you are saying! Add up the best month for SAAB 2008 and see what you get!!!!!!!!

Peter Jones
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Peter Jones
5 years 6 months ago
henke, You get the prize for persistence – I give you 10 out of 10. Let me tell you about the UK market – the number plates change in March and September. Car values depend on when they were registered and what the mark is… Until Feb 28th cars registered had the format XX60 XXX, from March 1st the format is XX11 XXX, on Sept 1st it changes to XX61 XXX (first two letters are for the locality and the final three are random).. We Brits are a notoriously fickle bunch, no-one is going to notice us if we have… Read more »
Tony Mac UK
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5 years 6 months ago

Good point my car won`t be picked up until beginning of April – on 11 plates!

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

I am right!

Troels, Denmark
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5 years 6 months ago

If we could get the months for months numbers (absolute numbers not percent) for 2007,2008,2009, 2010, 2011 on the table it will enlighten the picture and we can ourselves make our calculations, speculations and conclusions.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago
I would appreciate if you would stop just writing two words or once sentence in every post. I do know you use a mobile device. We think different on this. You have your opinion, and that is fine with me. I have my opinion and that is fine with. My opinion is that I can’t say anything at all right now because we have only had two months of sales for year. You say you want to add up the numbers, do you mean for every single market where Saab is being sold? If you have those numbers, please share… Read more »
zippy
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zippy
5 years 6 months ago

Canada total for Feb. Two cars. One of which was sold by my local dealer (or maybe they sold both!)

Two words for SCNA.

Leasing. Now. (please!)

aeroottawa
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aeroottawa
5 years 6 months ago

+1.

The Canadian market overall was down 4.2% in February (traditionally a weak month), but Saab sales were down 81% – admittedly from a low staring point of only 11 sales in January.

Richard
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Richard
5 years 6 months ago
Hey zippy, a couple weeks ago I was speaking with someone at my local Edmonton Saab dealer and was told that Saab has just brought in a company for leasing in Canada. For the life of me I can’t recall which company it is (but it’s not GMAC). But he showed me a leasing rate sheet for various models, so I assume leasing should be available there in Vancouver too. You may want to check in at Springman’s just to be sure. 🙂 I just checked Springman’s website and there on the front page it says “1.9% UP TO 36… Read more »
StefanH STHLM
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StefanH STHLM
5 years 6 months ago

Calm down.
We dont want this forum to become as unpleasent as the forums at AMS, Teknikens Värld and ViB.
Please.
Put in some smileys at least to lighten up the discussion.
😉

Jason H
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Jason H
5 years 6 months ago

Well, I agree that Saab’s sales need some help, they aren’t great, but they are picking up. And, the new product is not even available yet so of course the year will get much better when the 9-5SC and 9-4x arrive. Here in the states, the 9-4x will likely do very well, and I think the SC will too. I thought this link was interesting regarding sales in the US, see below…

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/by-the-numbers-february-2011-fish-in-a-barrel-edition/

StefanH STHLM
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StefanH STHLM
5 years 6 months ago

Yeah! Numero Uno! 🙂

dacer
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dacer
5 years 6 months ago

spain february:
http://www.anfac.com/imren/turisFEB11.pdf
SAAB
2011: 74
2010: 47
% 57,4

2011 (Jan+Feb): 117
2010 (Jan+Feb): 82
%42,7

http://es.autoblog.com/2011/03/02/ventas-de-las-novedades-mas-recientes-en-espana-durante-febrero/
Saab 9-5 feb-2011 = 20
So 9-3 must be 74-20 = 54

SAAB Familiar 9-3 54(feb) 80(Jan)
SAAB Berlina 9-5 20(feb) 37(Jan)

All brands, Feb % = -27.6
Jan+Feb % = -25.8

SAAB_andee
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SAAB_andee
5 years 6 months ago

Spain is on a good way.

Henke
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Henke
5 years 6 months ago

Im glad Swade is closing this site since everyone that dont agree with you dreamers that SAAB will make 80000 is just being told to be quite and that they are wrong! This site will be closed when SAAB has gone public that they have lowered there numbers to 60000 and I cant say I told you so! SAAB make great cars but they have big problems since the public dont trust them that they will last so thats why its only will be around 45000 sold cars is my prediction.

StefanH STHLM
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StefanH STHLM
5 years 6 months ago

Its not that you cant ventilate your opinion. Its about how you do it and the tone in the comments that matters. One doesnt have to seek confrontation.
Its about seeking interresting dialogs.
🙂 Happy and relaxing weekend to all!

hughw
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hughw
5 years 6 months ago

Henke, You’re certainly entitled to your opinion. But you should state it once, back it up with facts and figures if you can; and then—–let me say this as politely as I can, SHUT UP. Repeating your opinion again and again doesn’t make it better or more listened to. If you have a worthwhile opinion, even if it turns out wrong, people will listen. But you just sound to me like the maniac at the asylum who thinks if the keep repeating “God is a dog, dog is god” enough, it will be true.

Arild
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5 years 6 months ago

I’m sure we are many who are worried about the low sales. Me included. But we realize that it’s too early to tell what the sales will be this year and we also know that negativity won’t help Saab sell any cars.

SpinM
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SpinM
5 years 6 months ago
In the end only time can tell. The goal of 80.000 sold globaly may or may not be achieved. But logical thinking makes me believe that simple extrapolation of current sales numbers (that is January + February) indeed leads to wrong conclusions. Speaking of UK, long term historic data are quite convincing. So let’s say that Carl-Henrik’s estimates would average at about 5.500-6.000 cars sold in 2011. Now add a considerable impact on sales numbers by new low emission range of 9-3’s and a 9-5SC later this year and also to a lesser extend the contribution made by 9-4X. Also,… Read more »
Henrik
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Henrik
5 years 6 months ago
🙂 calm down ok? If you really want to count out of jan-feb numbers you just have to look at the percentual increase. It seems to be about 70% increase for all the markets we know about right now. Last year Saab sold about 30.000 pieces, that would make 51.000 sales for 2011. But that´s making it easy, you´d have to add the 9-3 SC 119 gram for the markets where co2 is interesting, add the 9-5 SC which in some markets could represent 80% of the 9-5 sales, and ad the 9-4x. But. Since sales got better thrue 2010,… Read more »
JL
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JL
5 years 6 months ago

SAAB is likely to be in for a massive turnaround with a whole bunch of important and demanded new offerings close to launch plus publicity to support them. Prediciting volume is an impossible task at this point and it does not have to be 80 000. This is just a number that sticks from the initial business plan from a long time ago. There will be significant increases in volume in 2011, that is for sure! The future looks bright – and brighter and brighter 🙂

Lasse
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Lasse
5 years 6 months ago
Thank you for this – couldn’t have expressed it better ! Of course, they stick with their business plan which says 80000 units. But Victor said that they could make it financially at 60000 due to progress in lowering costs. So even if sales are approximately one year behind the original business plan in terms of sales, they can nevertheless survive. And then there is always the possibility to catch up, and in my view this is what is happening. Sales are picking up, and I am pretty sure they will arrive somewhere between the 60000 and 80000 units. Besides… Read more »
Börjesson
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Börjesson
5 years 6 months ago
As an aside, I just have to applaud the patience and cheerfulness that is extended here at SU towards even such an impolite poster as Henke the Ogre. (“Troll” can not be used as a negative word in Saabland. :)) This friendly attitude does great credit to the whole Saab community. (Välkommen, Henke! Hope you come back in a better mood some other time. Maybe when the sales figures start looking better?) Regarding the sales numbers, every time when the numbers are poor, there is a perfectly good explanation. Even so, it is very frustrating. Saab doesn’t need a good… Read more »
JL
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JL
5 years 6 months ago
With increasing oil prices, ethanol might just come back into fashion and SAAB is extremely well positioned there. A poor world economy is a threat to just about anything, not just to SAAB. Yes, SAAB is in a vulnerable state, but they are also a small niche player and might defy general trends – the current UK situation being a good example (total market down, SAAB sales up 100%). There will always be room for 80 – 120 – 150 000 new SAAB´s, even in a downward sloping world economy. The distribution network was partially down when SAAB became independent… Read more »
Börjesson
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Börjesson
5 years 6 months ago
I love your optimism, JL! I agree that there are many things moving in the right direction for Saab at the moment, and chances of a substantial increase in sales are very good. I’m just getting impatient to start seeing it reflected in the hard numbers! On one point I don’t agree, though. I don’t think there’s much chance of ethanol doing a big comeback. If oil supply stays a problem, then that will also have serious consequences for food production, and that makes it even less conscionable to use good farmland for fuel instead of food. There is some… Read more »
JL
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JL
5 years 6 months ago
I believe that you are right regarding ethanol, that it will never replace or be as big as petrol, but even if just a few percent of all new cars will be run on ethanol – it might still be beneficial to SAAB sales. Plus the higher the oil price, the more valuable the option of being able to run your engine on ethanol. So this option is a sales argument in itself, offering a sort of insurance against high oil prices (in certain markets that is). We buy insurance to feel safe, not with the hope that we will… Read more »
Per
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Per
5 years 6 months ago

I am just waiting for the official price list for the 9-3 griffin and I will order a jet black one. Leasing too – Griffin Up

SteveW
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SteveW
5 years 6 months ago
Henke For what it’s worth I don’t think Saab will make 80,000 this year (but I really hope they do) But with … 9-5SC (will probably outsell SS 10 to 1 in some markets) 9-3SS Griffin under 120g CO2 (if I had been in the market I would have been waiting for the March AND then the Griffin to come along!) 9-3SC Griffen under 120g CO2 (This could be big) 9-4x all to come Plus do not under estimate what publicity and interest JC’s PhoeniX concept is generating. The important thing being that it’s not total pie in the sky… Read more »
Sicky
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Sicky
5 years 6 months ago

One of the very big problems with so few cars sold is the dealers.
For example US: J + F = 1204 cars.
With 200 dealers in US it´s only 3/month!! It doesn´t work!
I fully agree with Carl-Henrik: “The market that is worrying according to me is the US-market”

Jason H
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Jason H
5 years 6 months ago

I posted this earlier, but this is recent US data re: February sales, the pace is picking up! And it’s a HUGE increase in the US over last year:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/by-the-numbers-february-2011-fish-in-a-barrel-edition/

Sicky
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Sicky
5 years 6 months ago

February 2010 only 97 cars. February 2011 546 cars. Yes, it´s a HUGE increase. Anything else would be a complete disaster!!
Saab needs to sell much much more than 546 cars /month in US!!

Andreas R
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Andreas R
5 years 6 months ago

Maybe it wont be 80 000.., but that’s not what I worry about.
It would be okey if they sold 60 000, the bigger problem is the strong “Swedish Kroner” now in Sweden. Sweden is going very well and saab loose money when the export their cars.

David
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David
5 years 6 months ago

I think u are all wrong. Saab sales are already hitting the 8000 orders per month based on the last week order level in February – and this is pre 9-5SC and 9-3SC TTiD AND 9-4x!! Saab will however need to increase production before they are able to deliver 8000 cars!

Most so called analysts are simply wrong and look at historic data. In this case there is little point doing that due to the near death of Saab.

Åsmund
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Åsmund
5 years 6 months ago

David,

where did you find out that the amount of orders was 2000 in the last week of feb?

Arild
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5 years 6 months ago

I think David is referring to reports in Swedish media in connection to the Independence Day celebration.

Åsmund
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Åsmund
5 years 6 months ago

Thanks Arild,
1990 car orders the last week of feb looks really good as a warm up for the peak month march! 🙂

Rufras
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Rufras
5 years 6 months ago

There is an underlying problem with the UK the diminishing dealer network in the last few years has been catastrophic with even my access in the English home counties has dropped from a dealer 3 miles away (closed 3 years ago) to another 15 miles away (closed last month) to now my nearest dealer is now 35 miles away, come on!

rodmylon
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rodmylon
5 years 6 months ago
SU changeover taking all the lime light (as it should), but interesting progress is made again: Saab Germany appoints new Country Director: Jan-Philipp Schuhmacher. Press release on Saab media site: “Trollhättan, Sweden: Saab Automobile today announced the appointment of Jan-Philipp Schuhmacher as new Country Director for Saab Germany, effective April 1. Schuhmacher takes over from Kjell-Åke Eriksson, who acted as interim Country Director following the departure of Hans-Jörg Hänggi on December 31, 2010. Going forward, Eriksson will fully focus again on his position as head of Saab Automobile’s Purchasing department. Schuhmacher, 38, brings a wealth of experience in the German… Read more »
NGMH
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NGMH
5 years 6 months ago

I am doing my part for the numbers, although they will be in a small market. But add one 9-5 to the delivery list in April!!!!!

Tony Mac UK
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5 years 6 months ago

Brilliant! That`s what we all like to hear.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago
Regarding U.K. market sales. We all know by now that the sales in February always are low. They have always been lower than the sales in January when I look at statistics for 2001 – 2011. Then follows March with a very high peak compared to February. So yes, March numbers will be interesting for Saab. Remember that they delivered 1158 cars in March 2010. In 2009 they delivered 2444 cars. So I guess that the number for March will be between those numbers, even if I wish that they would manage to get more than 2450 cars delivered (that’s… Read more »
Sicky
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Sicky
5 years 6 months ago

Do you know:
http://www.lingscars.com/uk_car_sales.php

There you can see the statistics (UK sales graphical) for all brands in UK from 2007-2010. It´s an huge difference between february, march and august.

Take 2010 – 2011 for Ford.
As you can see It´s exactly the same graphics for year 2007, 2008 and 2009. It´the same for all brands and total sales

february 2010 9000
march 2010 63 000
august 2010 7000

january 2011 19 657
february 2011 7542

I can´t explain why it look like this.
Perhaps you can??

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

It’s very easy explained by, as by the second comment on this post by “Polismyndigheten”. The U.K. market changes reg-plates twice per year, and people prefer to have “new” sign on their car from March more than an “old” from February, as the residual value will be higher then.

And that is shown as you say on all U.K. numbers way back.

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

So.. people tend to wait with getting cars in February if they can get them in March.. 😉

Rufras
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Rufras
5 years 6 months ago

Everybody is expecting sales to increase from 2008 levels without considering the drastic reduction in Saab dealers in the UK (and USA+ other).

Carl-Henrik
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Carl-Henrik
5 years 6 months ago

One very important factor you focus on. That’s why I think while we’re dreaming of 2008 numbers still have to compare to the 2010 numbers for some months..

roger wills
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roger wills
5 years 6 months ago
Hi, My first Saab was a diesel convertiable – demo car – with 6K on clock; bought from Lincoln SAAB in 2005. From the start I encountered mechanical problems. Excessive front wheel tyre wear. Tracking, etc was checked – all OK. Still tyres worn in 6/8k driving. Had 2 sets tyres from Saab source – same problem. I then bought tyres from non- saab source – they lasted 20ks driving!! I also encountered loss power from engine. Saab Lincoln tested – stated valve in Exhaust system. Had changed, but problem re-appeared 8kms later. In the 3yrs warranty, had 3 valves.… Read more »
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