A more road-ready PhoeniX? (photochop)

Following our coverage of the PhoeniX showing in TrollhΓ€ttan (A few more and PhoeniX European Tour 2011), the team received this e-mail from T.M.:

Subject: what would a road-ready phoeniX look like?..hmm
That`s what I asked myself, and I came up with something, didn`t mess with the front cause I quite like it, the back and side needed a bit of “street normality” to them.

As you’ll recall the PhoeniX has aerodynamically innovative wings that channel air in a very tight way to lower the coefficient of drag.

So, what did T.M. come up with?

Better? Worse? Should Saab try harder to be normal? Discuss. More images in an update after the break.

UPDATE:

Because Jeff was so impressed by T.M.’s work, he decided to mash it up with a little bit of Tiago’s earlier lights:

and then threw on some 10-spoke Edge wheels (although he actually prefers the originals).

and though the winglets are fun, T.M. shows us what it looks like with production mirrors and door handle…

Thanks T.M.!

AeroM
Member

Well, maybe I am a little conservative when it comes to car designs, thought that these wings were a little too much. A little sceptic. But yesterday I was at the museum and saw it with my own eyes, and MAN! What a car! It looked good from every angle. Also I think that that’s what one have to do, to be in the front of car industry, be a little challenging.
However, I actually like this picture very much. The car was made to give a hint on the next 9-3, so this gives a better hint.

Griffin up!

Jeff
Member

Mmmm sexy. Nice photoshopping, mi gusta. It has such a great profile, and it shows how the side character lines are smooth and refined without being fussy like some of the flame surfaced designs we see out of BMW, Merc, and Audi lately. Strong.

Now we just need to fix the back and we’ll have a winner. πŸ™‚ Score.

Toby K
Member

Flame surfaced you flatter them-I call it crinkles egg box remember those cheap thin plastic boxes that cracked easily-think of that next time you see the new Volvo V70-you’re right though everyone is overcomplicating and creasing their panels needlessly-it doesn’t even look good…and then there is Saab πŸ™‚

Bernard
Member

The rear winglets have grown on me, especially now that I know that they have a very beneficial effect on the airflow. I hope that they make it to production. They are certainly a change from regular rear spoilers.

till72
Member

I got to like those winglets, too. And I’d prefer them to a rear spoiler.

900_S
Member

I like it more “normal,” though I think of it as more “cleaned up.” It makes me think of the Aero X more… I don’t think Saab should be more “normal”–especially in this case. I appreciate the flares and over-the-top accentuations. It’s a concept car–it should be radical.

Bravada from GMI
Member

Really nice, though the “winglets” seem to really carry a very important functional benefit, and to be a Saab-like innovation. Having said which, the car looks much more Saab now. If we could only lose the shipwreck-salvage wheels…

Jake
Member

Get rid of the rear dot matrix, add a hockey stick (reverse or forward, I don’t care…) and you have a winner.

Red J
Member

Not my cup of tea.
Too fuzzy for a “normal” car.

T.M.
Member

Awesome, but I can`t zoom the third pic, and I like that one the most.

T.M.
Member

Works fine now……wierd πŸ˜€

Jeff
Member

Try again homeslice. πŸ™‚ Really nice job smoothing the sides out.

Jeff
Member

If you feel like it– add some regulation size side mirrors and some door handles πŸ™‚

T.M.
Member

I see what i can do πŸ™‚

T.M.
Member

Done, just sent it.

zippy
Member

PhoeniX hints at future Saabs. I think the new 9-3 will have about as much in common with PhoeniX as the 9-5 resembles the AeroX.

joseglv
Member

Conceps are born to inspire and to give more ideas…
If you turn a concept into a “production car” it looses itΒ΄s “futuristic” approach…
The rear end transformation…. it was done in the wrong part…

Overall… i prefer the phoenix

Jeff
Member

I actually prefer the PhoeniX too, we’re just having fun with it, not trying to improve it per se, just see what it could turn into. The proportions of my lights are off, but it’s a fun starting point.

Pedro
Member

The 2nd and 3rd pictures (the 3rd picture, especially) look really nice: ditching the 1990’s Pontiac Trans Am tail lights and adding the thin ones work well as changes to JC’s design IMHO.

Would it be appropriate for a modern-day Sonnet to be based on the 9-3?

Tiago do Vale
Member

I can picture myself driving this one with a smile on my face πŸ™‚

Peter, Sweden
Member

Hm, you can actually see some dust and dirt on the tires, so I guess the Phoenix already is road-ready ^_^ (has ANYONE seen it in motion?)

KenB
Member

Could someone photoshop in some windows so that I could imagine what it would be like to have rearward visibility? πŸ™‚

I know that it’s the trend now, but I hate that modern cars seem to have minimal windows. I want a passenger car with windows, not an armored truck or a 17th century fort with slots for protruding guns. (Although having both windows and gun ports might be nice…)

Iiari
Member
I’m of two minds… First, I love the PS modifications. They definitely improve upon the concept and make it easier to “understand.” It’s powerful and attractive and definitely works as a 21st century Sonnett. My other mind, as much as I like the design, doesn’t see a lot of Saab here. Sure I watched all of the JC videos and I intellectually know where all of the cues and homages are, but there’s nothing about the design that screams “Saab of the past” or “SAAB of the future” to me. But that’s actually OK in a sense, as I believe… Read more »
Swade
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Liari, I think the same lineage that the Aero-X benefits from now (i.e. evidence in the front end of the 9-5) will also be available to Phoenix in a year-or-so’s time when the next 9-3 comes out with a PhoeniX like front end. I think we all loved Aero-X when it came out because it was quite easy to love. The 9-5 using the front end design language has reinforced that. PhoeniX isn’t so instantly appealing, but having seen the comments evolve a long period, it’s growing on people quite a lot. The advent of the 9-3 will reinforce that… Read more »
zippy
Member

Hope you are having a great first day at your new job. It’s nice to know you’re still around visiting. πŸ™‚

Ralph
Member

+1

WooDz
Member

Wow, no wings…. What an amazing conceptual idea.

/Sarcasm

Peter Gilbert
Member

For those who can.t enlarge these fantastic photos, Try OPERA 11.1 Browser. You can click on the photos to enlarge them and even use them for wallpaper. Yes there is definitely road debris on the tyres.

rune
Member
Thanks for the compliment Peter. In FireFox, you can right-click one of the images, choose “Copy link location” and then paste this link into the address bar. That allows you to zoom in and see the image 1:1. In Internet Explorer, you can do the same thing, except they call it “Copy shortcut”. By default it too will shrink the image to fit the browser window, but there should be a zoom control there somewhere. (I have turned off auto-zoom in my IE) Yes, the images are quite big. I am thinking of adding some of them to the wallpaper… Read more »
Khrisdk
Member

In ANY browser, just right click and choose “Open link in New Tab”.
Resize by doubleclicking on the picture

zippy
Member

Totally off topic but the new A6 is to have two engine options here in North America. A 3.0T supercharged engine with 310bhp and a 2.0T with 210bhp.

Who now still says Saab got the engine lineup wrong with the 9-5 is North America?

Bravada from GMI
Member
It actually does look VERY nice and INSTANTLY likeable. The “non-instantly likeable” euphemism used by Swade to describe the reception of the concept for me stands for “this was not an entirely good idea” message the reception of the concept should send to JC and the Saab leadership. Please note that the Aero-X was also a stark departure from Saabs of yore, and a venture into the realm of supercars, where Saab has never had a presence. It was not that the Aero-X was a milquetoast rehash of old designs and a 1990s throwback. On the contrary, it was a… Read more »
ivo 71
Member

Imho, car design concepts that everybody loves to death instantly aren’t for the long term. It’s the more controversial ones, the ones that tend to grow on you that often find their way into production. From this perspective, I wouldn’t be all that flabbergasted if the PhoeniX arose again one day, albeit in a somewhat less extreme shape, to become the new Sonett.

Ivo

Bravada from GMI
Member
This is simply not true. The controversial designs balancing on the edge of feasibility don’t go into production. The ones closer to reality and contemporary tastes usually do. I don’t want to start a tally here, but that’s how concepts go. We can all name good examples, can’t we? The key is to take contemporary tastes, elicit from them what will remain popular in the future, spruce it with novelty details that will make the design stand out and there you go. Another way, such as in the case of design legends in the mold of Citroen DS or Saab… Read more »
Toby K
Member
What he said ^ ^ ^ the original saabs looked like nothing on earth, they did not look like Aston Martins or BMW. They had a language of design that is hard to spot here-its not just about inovation (that’s good) its about tranlsating what the public love-what is a Saab? I’m actually on the fence here but this guy is right…there was too much erm…its growing on me….it’s not too bad. when it should shout SAAB is BACK, the fact its there at all and controversial does makes it speak up but if this was on any other stand..well… Read more »
martinsaab
Member

Yes, the winglets were “special”.
But for crash / pedestrian safety, they weren’t realistic…
So I like the photochop.

RS
Member

Since PhoeniX was introduced I’ve been puzzled why JC didn’t go with the c900 combi coupe but chose the UrSaab instead. The only explanation I’ve come up with, is that the new 9-3 being almost ready the concept couldn’t be too similar.
I think JC took bumblebee theme to come up with something radical to get the press/us talking and he sure did.

About the PhoeniX rear and lights, I finaly remembered what they resemble and it’s not a pretty picture πŸ˜‰
I really hope the new 9-3 hatch will be a mix of the c900, OG9-3 and NG9-5SS instead.

Khrisdk
Member

It’s all a matter of taste.
I always found that the only really well proportioned Saabs were the 93, the Bullnose Twostroke 96, the 99 and the OG9-3.
The Longnose 96 and the OG900 I never liked, and the 9000 looks like a Volvo where someone someone stepped on the nose πŸ˜‰
I don’t like any of the new ones…No Hatch

All in the eye of the beholder..I’d buy a 9-5 if I had the 1,3 million DKK an Aero costs

zippy
Member

OMG! You can get three fully loaded 9-5 Aero V6’s for that in Canada. And four of them in the USA.

Thats daylight robbery.

Red J
Member

Bjorn Envall likes the PhoeniX.

http://ttela.se/ekonomi/saab/1.1171462-phoenix-mellanlandade-i-trollhattan

But I didn’t expect anything different from somebody that puts carton teeth to a 92 πŸ˜‰

viggen
Member

Indeed this car needs a spoiler, not standart, but only as option or only
the sport model. (if it would go in production ofcourse for now there is only one version)
But indeed i realy like the winglets so i would not mess with that.
but a set of mirror’s on the side is not that bad.

rune
Member

You want a spoiler in addition to the winglets?

Mirrors on the side feels a bit old school now. I wonder how it affects performance — it can’t be much better aerodynamically than sticking your hand out the window…

The tiny cameras have my vote. πŸ™‚

Bravada from GMI
Member

As a person who actually reverses and overtakes, I am all for ENORMOUS side mirrors, like the ones in the 9-5. Big big ones. Large. No vestigial limbs please.

zippy
Member

I actually think the wing mirrors on the new 9-5 are kinda ugly. But the rest of the car is gorgeous!

Bravada from GMI
Member

I love the mirrors, I’d kill for them. Both the looks and the view they provide.

The 9-3’s mirrors are brilliant, but those take brilliance to a whole new level. It’s as if you could almost see around the car in them. This makes for a very safe and comfortable experience of driving the barge 9-5 is – it’s got the girth, but you wouldn’t know from the driver’s seat. That’s what I love about it.

Toby K
Member

Nice..but that reare end needs work (not from us -its a Saab problem) it has gone from looking 1980’s pontiac and it has been imporved here BUT still looks like a giant lump of plastic! Metal panel and ice block clear/bluelights evolved from the current 9-5.

Toby K
Member

So am I right that we can now login but still not edit our own comments?

Troels, Denmark
Member

… And then some simplifying off he rear-end and some much more clean, simple, pure alloy rims off a type that accentuates the roundness off the wheels and it will improve a lot! πŸ™‚

Romac
Member

If you see some of JC’s earlier work, you’ll see that the winglets are a development of the side foil on eg the Bertone Matide. Not sure if TM’s design tweak has these discreetly integrated or not.

Not sure if the modified rear lights are an improvement. I think “ICON” lights are a great idea – especially the chevron indicators (anyone else notice them?) and very especially the old-logo ‘high level brake light’ (I *want* one of those on my 93 SC!)

joseglv
Member

I totally stand by this thought:
Aero X and PhoeniX side by side, who would you take it home right away???
Who of these boths concepts is more ready do drive??
If the admns. make a poll out of this one, if the AeroX didnΒ΄t win by a large diference…IDK

Aero X is more like an supercar of today…
PhoeniX is more like an ricer of nowadays…
I cant overcome this point.
But these are my 2 cts….

But i canΒ΄t wait to see the production cars that will come out of the PhoeniX front end design!!!

rune
Member

Would “both” be an option in your proposed poll? πŸ™‚

The Aero-X is absolutely stunning. I recognise bits of it in the 9-5 and that was a great motivator for me to buy the 9-5.

For me, they are two completely different beasts. The Aero-X points out how a big car should be designed. The PhoeniX is at the other end of the spectrum. It serves to return Saab to their roots and smaller more compact cars.

Jeff
Member

Perfect answer, what he said. πŸ™‚

It’s been mentioned here before- the Aero-X is the car you want to drive up to the fancy hotel in, it’s the PhoeniX that you want to drive home with.

joseglv
Member

Yes… perfect answer Rune! πŸ˜€
But i put it this way:
Both is the dream: one to keep in my museum… and the other to drive it everyday!
πŸ˜‰

But like i told before… i CanΒ΄t wait to see the cars that are coming out of this design ( front end related )

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