One more thought from Robert Collin

Vladimir and Vladimir vs analysis from Robert, Aftonbladet.se

Full Aftonbladet article here

“I wonder if it’s a coincidence that Putin is here at the same time as Antonov is in final negotiations regarding Saab.

I can hardly believe that.

No, I’m guessing that Putin is equally interested in Saab as Antonov. Just as the Chinese state is behind the nouveau riche Li Shofu and the Volvo deal, I believe that the Russian government wants the Saab deal to go through.

Antonov repeatedly mentions that he wants to open a Saab factory in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad by the Baltic Sea, and Russia needs both jobs and cars.
I think Vladimir will fix the deal. At the last minute. I´m keeping my fingers crossed.”

Do I agree? I don´t know, not all of it, but it is a valid thought and well, Robert is right when it comes to the need for jobs.

Robert… Fancy a spot of lunch? 🙂

Cheers/Tom

Chris Carrier
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5 years 4 months ago

I’ll take survival over death and Russian over Chinese.

Jake
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I second that.

Jeff
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I’ll take Martian ownership so long as no one is a majority holder which means production and management remains headquartered in Sweden. 29.99% ownership max for anyone please :).

GerritN
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5 years 4 months ago

+1

ArchDandy
Member
5 years 4 months ago

It will be amazing future. I´ll just know that and trust me.
SAAB WILL be successful and independent.

saabdog
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5 years 4 months ago

It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Russian government put a boat load of money into Saab as well, if the deal goes through.

till72
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5 years 4 months ago

VM seems to know the right people… The future will be exciting.

Peter Gilbert
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5 years 4 months ago

YES!

lol
Member
5 years 4 months ago

VA in baltic today….VP in Stockholm tomorrow….
Robert’s story sounds good to me!
Each day more confident !….but please go fast!

mo
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5 years 4 months ago

at this point it seems like anything is possible…

74StingSaab
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5 years 4 months ago

yup!

Iggy
Member
5 years 4 months ago

As much as I would like SAAB to be that important so that even the Mighty Vladimir P would come to Sweden to ask the King and the PM about it, I simply think that is not the case. What I think is that VP has asked the King and the PM why is a Russian investor treated as a criminal and mafia laundry, interrogated and crossed in the Swedish press without any evidence or prosecution. What I want now more then everything is to see the PM’s face and hear his answer.

OddJob
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5 years 4 months ago
Well, VP actually asked the question about Russian investor treatment but without mentioning any specific reference to names or deals.Maybe he was clearer in the talks with the PM. At the press conference he also got questions about Saab, and his answer was: “Come up here if you want to discuss Saab” – my interpretation of that is that the question was not appropriate at this moment (the issues discussed were very widespread and general). However one of VP’s goals since a couple of years is to develope the Russian car industry to be competitive with the rest of the… Read more »
Troels, Denmark
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5 years 4 months ago

Putin was in Denmark the day before he continued to Sweden. Both visits have – like normally regarding visits on that level – been scheduled months ago.

sr
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5 years 4 months ago

I don’t know anything about his danish visit, but Putins visit to sweden was annouced on a press conference on march 30. At that point, the exact date wasn’t decided.

I doubt that Putin’s visit have anything to do with Saab, but if we are to believe DI.se, he did express his wish that russian businessmen should be treated the same way (as any other nationality)
“Men premiärministern tillade att han önskar att ryska affärsmän i utlandet skulle behandlas på lika villkor som andra.”

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/putin-till-sverige-i-april
http://di.se/Artiklar/2011/4/27/234015/putinbesok4-Hyllar-samarbete/

Lars S
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5 years 4 months ago

Yes, but he might have mentioned Saab and VA anyway.

Toby K
Member
5 years 4 months ago

My nerves cannot take it any more-I’m fetching the single malt Scotch Whisky and watching mindless stuff on You Tube!!

I hate Saabs United. (I’ll be better in the morning)

74StingSaab
Member
5 years 4 months ago

Yeah, SU can wear you down sometimes…..

but we all come back….

mikaik
Member
5 years 4 months ago
As much as I like Saab, I think we should be realistic. Saab appeals to a number of people, which number is not huge. It’s in fact one of the reasons why we like Saab so much. Therefore, I’d say it’s quite unlikely that Russia would so desperately want to invest money into Saab. Even more unlikely that Mr. Putin would be in Sweden due to invest in Saab. And even if they do (the Russian government), they’d probably want more volume afterwards. I just can’t imagine a government willing to invest money into a company, only to produce 120K… Read more »
Bravada from GMI
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5 years 4 months ago

As much as I’d love Saab to flourish, I would loathe it to be politically motivated. I believe Saab has a business raison d’etre and I hope politics and diplomacy would stay away from it as far as they can.

I also hope VA is as far from friends with VP as possible. Which I believe might be the case, as he seems to have moved both his personal life and his business out of Russia.

ivo 71
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5 years 4 months ago

Well, not entirely, BfG. The Convers banking group is still headquartered in Moscow.

Ivo

ivo 71
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5 years 4 months ago

I do, BTW, fully share your implicitly expressed sentiments re. mr. Putin.

Ivo

Peter, Sweden
Member
5 years 4 months ago

“The russian prime minister Vladimir Putin didn’t give any answers about Vladimir Antonovs interests in Saab Automobile.
– You want to talk about Saab? Come up here and we’ll talk!”, he said before leaving.”
DI.se

spacy
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5 years 4 months ago
I have SU daily for the last few months. Saab could be a great manufacturer, not small, but also not massive. My problem is, is that the longer this goes on, the more damage it is doing. It is being played out in public. The average Car buyer that is looking for something good, will just see this as an unstable place to put their hard earned money, ie; what happens if??…. will I get the warranty honoured.. NO, will be the thought & off they will go & buy another make. I too hope Saab survive, as one day… Read more »
ivo 71
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5 years 4 months ago

Mistake, Terry? There is no way one can trade UP from a 9000. Guess my ride… 🙂

Ivo

turbin
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5 years 4 months ago

Amen to that, from a 9K daily driver. The 9-3 Combi is Mrs Turbin and the little Spinners’ ride ; )

spacy
Guest
5 years 4 months ago

ivo 71 (and turbin)

I know, I know….

When I’d typed it I thought what the hell are you saying….

Believe me, there have not been many more faithful Saabers, than myself over the 9000. I have one of the last made (registered UK, September 1998), with the little wrong parts fitted, because of lack of parts/stocks).

This is the 10th 9000, I’ve owned( all the back to a 9000i, in 1985), so know what you mean…!!

Osama Dajani
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5 years 4 months ago
All: Selling SAAB to a Russian firm would help SAAB to survive but will for sure dilute the brand image. This has happened to “Jaguar” when it has been sold to “Tata”. My suggestions is that the new structure of SAAB should be ambidextrous. “Product differentiation at Sweden”, and “Cost leadership” at Russia. From the point of view of “Product Differentiation”, SAAB’s factory at SWEDEN should remain as the Research and Development center, and should focus on making and selling of new cars and models: 9-7’s, 9-5’s, 9-3’s, 9-2’s, 9-4x, phoenix, whatever it is. SAAB should align its strategy with… Read more »
USAaber
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5 years 4 months ago
Seems to be no end to Robert Collin’s now-so-intense interest in Saab. He is also falling all over himself in finding positive comments about VA – the same guy he raked over the coals when he was first mentioned as an interested party in Saab back when the deal with Koenigsegg fell to pieces. RC behaves just like the other Swedish journalist windbags – though he seems to have forgotten all the negative thoughts he spread earlier and now conveniently is a full fledged supporter of Saab. He is just too much to take. Aside from that, and on a… Read more »
RS
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5 years 4 months ago

I wonder what happened to the western world? Why do we nowadays have to rely on the former communist countries to save OUR economy and OUR industries… It’s crazy if you ask me.
Hopefully bureaucrats see the big picture and start making wise decisions today!

Khrisdk
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5 years 4 months ago

Well
The communist countries are better at Capitalism than we are -)

Every child born in DK at the moment has a lifetime total cost of about 1 mill DKK to Denmark..
ie. the average danish citizen is more expensive for the country than what he can earn for the country during a lifetime
That is probably one of the reasons.
I think that Sweden is doing a little better.

Seb
Member
5 years 4 months ago
I love SAAB. Having owned the mighy 99 turbo in 1979 to my curtain fleet (2 9-5’s, 06) this whole involvement with the Chinese, the Russians is really putting a bad taste in my mouth regarding the future owners. I don’t want to be driving around in a Volga style, Chinese made (BAC) vehicle with a SAAB badge chirns my stomach, I know SAAB needs funding but come on? Arent there plenty of American/Aussie/Canadian/European/Japanese billionaires out there that would love to secure SAAB’s future? I would not buy a SAAB knowing that it is being built in Russia who have… Read more »
paddan
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5 years 4 months ago

So off topic, ithink I just bought myself a 1980 900 Turbo 5 door in Aquamarine Blue with very low mileage. That should be fun finding parts for. It is so grotesque, it is good looking.

74StingSaab
Member
5 years 4 months ago

congrats!!!

GerritN
Member
5 years 4 months ago

Keep those oldies running, the world is a better place with them still in it.

Chris Hansel
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5 years 4 months ago
I haven’t been able to post lately, due to improved employer control of internet functions, but here is what I think. Saab as we know it, is about gone. However, we should not be downhearted; there are too damn many of us. If this brand goes away, as I think it is about to, but don’t wish for, I think it has a great chance it will show up again somewhere in the near future. Why? The brand value is too high. Same reason they are making MG’s in China, and Jag’s in India. Does that mean they will be… Read more »
RS
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5 years 4 months ago

+1

anders
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5 years 4 months ago

VM and JÅJ went to hong kong yesterday, I hope they bring back good news.

GrumpyGriffin
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I don’t think that the “boss of bosses” making the Swedish Government an “offer it can’t refuse” is going to help Saab that much, there are two many big ego’s around Saab as it is, adding an even bigger one into the mix would not be a good idea!

Chris_de_Ze
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5 years 4 months ago

I think that Swedish Government’s major concern right now is that a possible sale to Antonov can lead to a possible closure of the Trollhattan factory in the future and the opening of new one in Kaliningrad. That means new jobs & cars in Russia but … lost jobs & technology in Sweden!

Of course such deal is much more preferable than Saab’s immediate closure right now.

How Volvo managed to secure jobs in Sweden by the sale to BAIC?

Mark
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5 years 4 months ago

Volvo sold to Geely.

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