GerritN
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5 years 5 months ago

Hm, interesting. I think that the Phoenix looks much better in the ‘wild’ than it does on the showroom floor. Must have to do with the paint job, too bling-bling with all those overhead lights.

Belfast_Saab
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5 years 5 months ago

+1

sgns
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5 years 5 months ago

Yeah! In true Saab tradition, it’s better in the wild. It looks almost surreal – beyond-real.

montahue
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5 years 5 months ago

Yes, exactly what i have been thinking to. It’s almost like some other car in the outdoor pictures.

Chicago Swede
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5 years 5 months ago

It is certainly a powerful looking machine. However, it doesn’t have the elegance or grace of the Aero X concept in my humble opinion. Which of the 2 designs do you think will stand the test of time?

zippy
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5 years 5 months ago

It does look much better ‘in the wild’. This car will get Saab some much needed attention here in North America. I wasnt that keen on the AeroX concept and thought the rear end was kind of ugly but I do think overall it is much more representative of Saab design. It is nice to see hits of it in the 9-5 which truly is a beautifulcar. I do like the front view of PhoeniX which bodes well for the next 9-3.

Jake
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5 years 5 months ago

Really? I didn’t like the headlights too much. Or the side view mirrors. Both looked old and not forward-thinking, like concepts should be.

SaabClubAlaska
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5 years 5 months ago

I agree with you, Chicago. I don’t dislike the PhoeniX, and I love that Saab is still reaching for the stars regarding innovation, but there’s much less on this concept that ignites my entusiasm as there was on Aero X. The true test, however, will come when the next 9-3 is revealed. Castriota is clearly very talented, and I have faith in him and Saab.

Toby K
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5 years 5 months ago

it is obvious the Aero-X has classic elegance of design above the PhoeniX-for me it is plain to see evolution of Saab into Aero-X.

There is revolution in te PhoeniX but no continuity no elegance-it is just another sports car for me. its nice its a saab-but it is not superior to the Aero-X which still is a better design.

StateofNine
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5 years 5 months ago

Now Iโ€™m sure I need to go to NYC for the Auto Show!

viggen
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5 years 5 months ago

Indeed is very powerful looking, but i am not sure wich one to pick to Aero X or the Phoenix hard choice haha

bjornorn
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5 years 5 months ago

aero X any time. It’s a classic and it’s criminal not to put it into production

thomas
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5 years 5 months ago

I also think the Aero X as more “production ready” – but this car is very bold an agressive. If SAAB can put the right elements into the next 9-3, they could have a winner.

BTW i think the paint work looks a lot better than the photos i have seen before – its almost as if it the car is made of liquid silver..

maanders
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5 years 5 months ago
Actually, there was an article here on SU (I think) that described how the PhoeniX is actually more production ready than the Aero X was. The Aero X was not built on an actual production platform (like the PhoeniX is) but on extensively modified “one-off” platform. Essentially the PhoeniX is more of a “show car skin” on a real platform whereas the Aero X was more of a show car skin on a show car plaform. I certainly understand why some people prefer the look of the Aero X, but it would have taken a ton of engineering to build… Read more »
thomas
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5 years 5 months ago

Thats very true, what i meant was in tems of design. The wings for example – will never work in real life.

By the way – the danish sales data for march – 21 new saabs sold, 13 9-3 (3 of them were 9-3x) and 8 9-5 – Last year sold: 8 in total.

Toby K
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5 years 5 months ago

I think the wings will be something that could work -it is a very clever way of changing longitudinal drag (low drag on a car) into lateral down force -without having a lateral drag (normally very high drag on a car’s traditional rear wing) giving so this gives a very low drag coeficcient for the spoiler-it is very clever-but It just looks odd.
Function over form I guess.

JasonPowell
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5 years 5 months ago

I’m not a huge fan of the Aero X, I like the name, but that’s about it. If you look at the Phoenix, you definately see more parts that will make it into production. That hood line is awesome and the front bumper area. I actually really like the wheels too, very Saaby.

Steve C.
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5 years 5 months ago
I’m sure Jeff will provide more later after he finishes work. Jeff and Swade did their coverage of this “preview” event for the press in NYC at Chelsea Piers, down the road from the Javits Center where it will be displayed next. It was an opportunity for invited press to see the PhoeniX and talk to Jason Castriota. The weather wasn’t the best (50 degrees F and light on-and-off showers) but it wasn’t a washout. I did have a chance to look underneath the rear and there is a real electric drive back there as advertized. Here’s another giveaway, the… Read more »
JasonPowell
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5 years 5 months ago

Steve C.
You are all so lucky to have seen this car up close, don’t think I’ll ever have a chance living in Canada. Was there a good turnout to the event?

Steve C.
Member
5 years 5 months ago
The weather made for a smaller turnout than I would have otherwise exected. The SCNA Communications person was satisfied. About a third of the folks were my colleagues who are members of the International Motor Press Association (IMPA). For media folks who couldn’t take in this sneak-peek event, they will have a chance on Thursday after the official North American reveal of the PhoeniX (at the Saab stand inside the Javits Center). I plan to be there to lobby my media colleagues to provide good coverage and to do my usual media and industry networking.
JasonPowell
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Good job Steve, thanks for the update. I wonder what kind of reception the Phoenix will get in NY? I tend to think there will be some fan fare.

900_S
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5 years 5 months ago

Does ‘More to come’ mean Jeff takes PhoeniX? ๐Ÿ˜€ Nice pictures though.

saabonaut
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5 years 5 months ago

Just seen swade’s latest “inside”.
http://inside.saab.com/the-saab-stand-at-the-new-york-international-auto-show/
it’s a beautiful stand but I’m not sure this is a “fortunate” arrangement of the saab-palette: as accessed by the visitor, the convertible is in front and hiding the phoenix. the very important (for US-market) 9-4x stands somewhere at the back. Aren’t they supposed to act as attractors to the visitors as they pass by or approach the stand?
However, the stand’s great let’s hope for a big success ๐Ÿ˜‰
Saabonaut

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