RedJ Sunday morning coffee Snippets

I’m not quite awake, so be kind to me if what I write doesn’t make sense. πŸ™‚

The Dalai Lama has visited Sweden lately, it seems that not only his car but also the escort were driving Saab.

I think this is good for Saab in Sweden, as the good guy can’t drive a gangsters car.
Otoh, the impact in China could be negative with their paranoia about that poor old man. Hope that intelligent people buying Saab in China do dare to think differently.


Last weekend, I was invited by Hirsch to a tuning event sponsored by Auto Bild Sports Car, a German magazine about the faster cars on the road. I was fascinated about the knowledge and most of all interest from the editor for such a magazine about Saab, a very positive thing.

On the other side the main stream release of Auto Bild here in Germany has tested the 9-5 against the A6 and the 5-series. And although I do accept what they say about Saab, but when a German magazine compares German cars with non-German cars, the result is always predictable.

The cars tested are

  • the Audi A6 2.0TDI (177hp)
  • the BMW 520d (184hp)
  • the SAAB TTiD4 (190hp)

all manual, all 2WD.

To make it short, Saab made only the third and last positions, being the price (sorry but they put very strange options on the Saab) and the resale value big negative points on Saab side, as well as the 160 kg it has over the Audi.

A big question mark on my side is the harsh ride of the 9-5. They were testing the Aero with 19″ rims versus a BMW with 17″ rims and the Audi with 18″ rims. One week ago I did drive the 9-5 with the Hirsch 20″ rims and it didn’t feel harsh at all. Maybe it is what Mr. Lenherr from Hirsch told me, it is not about size but about weight and the nice Saab turbine wheels are quite heavy.

The bigger the unsprung mass , the harsher the ride.

Saab NL has used the AutoRAI auto show in Amsterdam to present the price list of the 9-5 SC for the Netherlands. The SC will be €2000,- above the Sedan, which means €44.950,- for the 1.6T Linear or €73.500,- for the Aero Turbo6.

People will be able to pre-order the 9-4x and the 9-5SC just after the auto show, and people pre-ordering a 9-5 SC till the end of may will get the SC for the price of a sedan.

And if some of our Dutch readers is willing to buy a 9-3 convertible independence edition, you should hurry up as there will be only 14 delivered to the Netherlands.

I know the whole cash flow thing is not over yet, but maybe its time to stop this “liar, incompetent, should have known” song. It’s time for Saab and Saabisti to concentrate on the future, as the future is much brighter as many think. The roller-coaster will continue till the sales data for 2013 are known, so if you like Saab, help it not to de-rail.

//RedJ

Small update

Ward’s Auto has announced their top 10 car interiors for 2011. No Saab is not among them but its nice to see other brands being influenced by Saab, like the way the glove-box of the Kia optima is being opened. (Jump to timecode 1:05)

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kncjxeUH9Q

Am I the only one that thinks that it is quite similar to the 9-3 mechanism?

viggen
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Very nice they all drover a Saab, but the test does indeed not make any sence you need
to have the same options as the competitors not more.. so a bit strange indeed

Doctor Donk
Member
5 years 5 months ago
11kg Hirsch rim is a lot. Good forged 18 inch rim will weight 7-8kg. There are a lot of other factors which matter of harshness: road quality (on good road there will be no much difference, and you can not find bad road in Switzerland), suspension (some cars and suspension kits works fine with lower profile, some works bad), tyres – they effect comfort a lot also. Changing 225/45R17 to forged 235/40R18 did not make much difference on 9-5OG, only lots of road noise (tyres were almost same Michelin PS2 and 3). But on friends subaru impreza 16 to 17… Read more »
Doctor Donk
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Btw it was told about 9-3 xwd electric test? Did I miss it somewhere or was not it shown yet?

Katsura
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Let it be known I have refrained from making a comment about that ‘poor’ old man. Because it has nothing to do with Saab.

But even with him inside, the Saabs still looked quite good.

Tim
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Saab NL has also posted the list price of the 9-4x:

3.0 V6: 79.755 Euro
2.8 Turbo V6: 89.920 Euro

BoeBoe
Member
5 years 5 months ago

That’s way too expensive if you compare it with the competition…

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Just out of curiosity:

What are the competition, what do they cost, and what are the trim levels?

BoeBoe
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Some prices:

Saab 9-4X 3.0 V6: € 74.995 (265 hp)
Saab 9-4X 2.8 Turbo Aero: € 89.920 (300 hp)
BMW X5 xDrive35i: € 79.755 (306 hp)
Porsche Cayenne: € 84.300 (300 hp)

Audi Q5 3.2 FSI: € 67.320 (270 hp)
BMW X3 xDrive28i: € 62.515 (268 hp)
Volvo XC60 3.2 AWD: € 59.995 (243 hp)
BMW X3 xDrive35i: € 67.000 (306 hp)
Volvo XC60 T6 AWD: € 64.695 (304 hp)

Bravada from GMI
Member
5 years 5 months ago

The Cayenne and the X5 are comparable in price, the others are smaller. So there you go. The 9-5 is also more expensive than the Opel Insignia, but it’s also larger. You might end up choosing between the two, and choose the Insignia on price, but you can’t outright call the 9-5 or 9-4X overpriced.

Bravada from GMI
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Too expensive compared to what? Petroleum-powered X5 or XC90 aren’t any cheaper.

BoeBoe
Member
5 years 5 months ago

O RLY?
Saab 9-4X 3.0 V6: € 74.995 (265 hp)
Saab 9-4X 2.8 Turbo Aero: € 89.920 (300 hp)
BMW X5 xDrive35i: € 79.755 (306 hp)
Porsche Cayenne: € 84.300 (300 hp)

Audi Q5 3.2 FSI: € 67.320 (270 hp)
BMW X3 xDrive28i: € 62.515 (268 hp)
Volvo XC60 3.2 AWD: € 59.995 (243 hp)
BMW X3 xDrive35i: € 67.000 (306 hp)
Volvo XC60 T6 AWD: € 64.695 (304 hp)

rune
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Now add a few options to that Beamer and watch the price rise dramatically.

rune
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Sorry Red J, I guess I’m getting old. πŸ™‚

SaabKen
Member
5 years 5 months ago

I bet the Dalai Lama was enlightened during his ride in the 9-5 ;-D

Pedro
Member
5 years 5 months ago

Hell yeah! Of course, I mean “Hell yeah” in the holiest way possible :p

Seriously now – It’s good publicity for SAAB, but I doubt the Dalai Lama would accept to have his image used in marketing, so… How about getting some famous but unconventional people in SAAB ad campaigns? I can’t think of anyone right now (just spent 13:38 listening to that AMAZING song ‘Adulruna Rediviva’ by Therion; I am still wowed), but the suggestion stays here as a little food for thought. πŸ˜‰

skwdenyer
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5 years 5 months ago
Something akin to the old American Express adverts would maybe strike a chord – famous people who actually drive the cars. In fact, one could even coin a phrase – “Saabholder” – if the reference is valuable. People I can think of who do drive / have driven Saabs: J-Lo (reported in 2002, but seems a bit off-message for J-Lo) Paul McCartney (reported to have had a 9-5 estate) Bob Lutz (reported to have had a 9-5 estate, is now an advisor to Lotus so may not have his any longer) Stephen Fry Bob Geldof For those of us in… Read more »
saab93f
Member
5 years 5 months ago

I posted some weeks ago the idea of gettin a-list celebs to make Saab look good. Just like celebs helped make the Prius somewhat desirable.

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 5 months ago

+1 on Therion. Another great Western Sweden export. πŸ™‚

till72
Member
5 years 5 months ago

+1

Pedro
Member
5 years 5 months ago

With Dark Tranquillity and Katatonia being two other high quality Swedish exports πŸ˜€

I actually got to meet the Dark Tranquillity guys after their Lisbon show. Really nice guys, no rock star attitude whatsovever \m/ \m/

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 5 months ago

\m/…Sweden has a lot of guitardriven goodies.. \m/

Razvan
Member
5 years 5 months ago
being a metal fan and listening to a lot of swedish bands (froum Europe to Amon Amarth, going through Pain of Salvation or Sabaton ) I realize I never encountered any remark about Saab in interviews or other stuff related to music (I sure don;t expect form metal bands to mention Saab in their lyrics πŸ™‚ – maybe Europe or PoS in some love songs ). I also read around 20 crime novels from Sweden, Norway and Iceland in recent months and I found few references (2-3 in some of them, 0 in others) to Saab. Neither Volvo, on the… Read more »
andyb
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5 years 5 months ago

as for getting interesting people in Saabs for ad campaigns ,thats a good idea if only in the UK we could actually see a Saab ad on the TV it seems ages since i saw or heard of one.

mallthus
Member
5 years 5 months ago

As much as I’d like to think the Dalai Lama is in a Saab because it’s such an enlightened choice, I think we all know that the other Swedish car company’s Chinese ownership makes the choice of a Saab more obvious. I’m just sayin’…

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