TV4 about Saab (feel free to skip this one)

TV4 Nyhetsmorgon this morning commented yesterday’s developments in Saab. The clip has now been made available on their website.

They start the segment by interviewing Håkan Skött who represents one of the labor unions at Saab, followed up with commentary by Jens B Nordström and Robert Collin.

Robert Collin mentions that when the financial crisis hit Europe, other governments worked very hard to find ways to keep the automobile industry alive, but not so in Sweden. A bit further out in this segment he mentions that “Saab have never made the best cars(…)they are no better now than ten-twenty years ago”. He then turns a bit Saab-friendly again and points out the paradox that the Swedes are very sceptical when someone shows up with a bag of money willing to save their automobile industry.

Jens B Nordström sums the whole thing up with “not even the richest man in the world can sustain the kind of losses Saab is making now. Vladimir is rich, but not the richest.”.

I must say, the whole thing looks like the most confused analysis of the current situation that you can possibly get. On one hand they talk down the value of the cars (without touching on specifics of course — I guess even Robert got tired of his old complaint that the 9-5 is “too long”), and on the other they point out that Saab have too few customers (could it be because car reviews are generally vague and unhelpful to people who require a safe winter car?).

It is worth asking why they chose to not invite Håkan Skött properly. Why are nobody from Saab allowed to answer the allegations made by these two “impartial” observers? Is this TV4’s idea of good journalism?

tobbe
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The Swedish jounalism as a bit strange.. They just love to bring up the Saab-subject when its not going so well.. but when saab do some really good stuff, I have hard to find these news at the topline in there website etc…
If everone could work together in this case, Saab wouldnt have to take so much shit…

Dont they know that Saab represents Sweden????!!!

74StingSaab
Member

Don’t they know Saab represents thousands of jobs????

OliverH
Member

I miss this special guy and his comments: http://www.uni-due.de/car/dudenhoeffer.php

zippy
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And he point of the interview was? Wouldnt it have been better to just interview a few chimaonzees atthe zoo. They would have probably made mores sense.

74StingSaab
Member

Never seen so many typo’s in a Zippy post, it must have got you pretty upset?

Bengt in Scania
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TV4 news is the same sh.t as Expressen and Aftonbladet but on TV. Sensation journalism as we call it in Sweden. 🙁

theSandySaab
Member

I cannot follow TV4 other than the selected programming over the webz, but at least they made the live program from the Saab factory floor before the stopped production. I enjoyed that….

bramfoto
Member

I do think Victor, Swade and others should give an I’m Sorry to the SAAB Nation, who rallied in SAAB’s defense a year ago.

Credibility is crucial in people putting down $50K for a car, that many will be paying on for 4-5 years. Will SAAB exist then? Parts?

Unless Victor is a bad business man, how could he not know this was coming? I’m not sure will get another chance.

Sounds like a Chinese Auto Company will pick it up on the cheap.

Sad.

How can we trust again?

rune
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bramfoto, Why do you think parts will run out if the worst happens? Are Saab still producing parts for the 900? Is there a shortage for parts for the 900? As for Victor’s ability at predicting the future, I would like to point out that few people really know what events transpired leading up to the halt in production last week. One of the possible (and more likely IMO) scenarios is that a couple of suppliers suddenly decided on cash on delivery. The negotiated terms up to that point dictated 90 days payment. Now… Do you have any idea of… Read more »
bramfoto
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First, I work for a SAAB Sales and Repair Company in San Francisco called Embarcadero Automotive. The company has been in business for 30 years. The San Francisco area has one of the highest concentrations of SAABs in the world. Yes, we organized convoys circling S.F. City Hall. Look at the photos on the front page of our web site, http://www.embarcaderoauto.com. I love SAAB. Responsible for many others buying them. My English Bulldog Winston participated in the convoys, which can be viewed on You Tube. he stops in front of SAABs when we walk. Loves his back seat. I don’t… Read more »
Bravada from GMI
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While I echo your reception of VM (either way, he has lost a lot of his credibility), but I must say that I drove the modern Saabs and the BMW 3er and bought the 9-3 TTiD. The Saab just drives much better, has more modern equipment for the price, and is cheaper anyway. Apple and MINI are like BMW to me – bought on hype, but impractical in everyday use (we do get snow where I live…) It just occurred to me that MINI is actually BMW, but whatever. I also have an iPhone and an Android-powered HTC. The HTC… Read more »
rune
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Thanks for clearing the air bramfoto. I apologize for replying a bit too harshly. I don’t agree that Victor did not know, unless he really thought that he could take a brand that sold 30K SAABs and the next year sell 100K SAABs based on practically the same product portfolio. But the product portfolio is not the same. NG 9-5 appeared in the second half of 2010. A few months from now we will see the 9-4X + the combi version of the 9-5. The sales numbers back in 2007 were much bigger than 30K. Half of 2010 was amputated,… Read more »
Khrisdk
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Couldn´t we kill off that Mini and Apple comparison: I get nervous around those products. They may be succesfull, but to me they are the ultimate representatives of Form over function and Überhype Maybe I should add that I really like and use Linux. And Android. And that I have owned a original Mini. You know..the ones that were mini. This was NOT to start a flame war over OS and very popular cars, but I think that there are very different opinions on what Saab is, both DNA and all That could maybe be an interresting discussion as opposed… Read more »
Chris Carrier
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“I have driven the modern SAABs and it is no contest.”

That’s BS. You’re saying you’ve compared a new 9-5 and it’s “no contest?” I have also, and while you may prefer the BMW, suggesting it’s no contest is more an expression of your own resentment towards Saab for having “let you down” given the time you’ve spent supporting it. I think there may be alot of such petty backlash.

Red J
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Rune,
calm down. We are still in turbulent waters, and people are still insecure. Don’t question the fears of people but let us keep on bringing enough information in order to make those fears vanish.

paddan
Member

Why should any of those folks give an “I’m sorry to the Saab nation?” Miscalculations were perhaps made and sales were slower than expected. Antonov was forced out of the original deal and it’s clear his money was crucial for a rainy day. How is this the “fault” of anyone you mentioned? Let’s recall that had it not been for VM’s extraordinary efforts and VA acquiescing to withdrawing from Spyker last year, there would be no Saab today.

74StingSaab
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Keep Calm and Carry On. I do not feel anyone owes me a apology for having bought a Saab or my current plans to buy another. I understood the risk when I bought my first Saab, the day Saab declared bankruptcy. I understand now as we shop to add another Saab, that there may be issues in the future. It’s not being blind, its having faith in Saab and taking a risk I am more than willing to live with. We all need to be a grownup and hold yourself to account for the decisions you make concerning Saab. I… Read more »
paddan
Member

@ 74StingSaab +1

lala
Member

Saab 9-3 trifuel inveiled at Teknikens Värld Live event
teknikensvärld.se

lala
Member

unveiled ofc

lala
Member

I’d have guessed more people are interested in the the Saab 9-3 TriFuel unveiling….

Red J
Member

lala,
such kind of announcement about Saab is good, and worth talking about, but otoh, they are talking about the cars ANA Specialbilar has been converting last year, so I don’t know what is so new about it.
Maybe the car will now be available in any Saab dealer n Sweden?
I don’t know.

lala
Member

‘This car has already been out there in a small serie but now Saab has done a magnified testpilot of 400 cars, and from now on you can order one at your dealer.’

There is a photo of the trunk as well

Petteri
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Robert Collin actually sounds quite Saab-friendly to me throughout the segment. Yes, he says Saab has never been the best car, and it’s his opinion. He doesn’t say it’s been the worst one either. I suppose – depending on how you weigh different characteristics – you’re able to find a better car any year from 1950 to 2011. The point he’s trying to make (I believe) is that there’s still always been people who were willing to buy Saabs. And he believes those customers have not gone anywhere – when the factory starts again they will still be around. Encouraging… Read more »
rune
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Yes, he says Saab has never been the best car, and it’s his opinion. He doesn’t say it’s been the worst one either. I suppose – depending on how you weigh different characteristics Yes and no. 🙂 He makes a series of comments that tries to explain why not more people are buying Saabs. Of course Saab is not “the best car”, but which car is? AFAICT it is completely meaningless to even mention it (so why did he?). Then he states that Saabs on sale now are no different from the Saabs sold ten years ago. Which is an… Read more »
Audun
Member

+1

peeceepeh
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I’m not sure I like this style of reporting. This site should be about interpreting the situation of SAAB, providing facts. That’s what I enjoyed in the last two years. This article, however, complains about some tv company in Sweden in just the same way as a kid would do about somebody that doesn’t like its favourite toy. Ok, tv4 is not friendly towards SAAB. But look at the facts that one can see from the outside. Its hard to take a different view. We gather here to develop that different view. That’s much better than complaining about not beeing… Read more »
SpinM
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I don’t really see the shift in reporting attitude here. Hard working authors of SU report facts and provide their thoughts as Saab fans. And a certain degree of frustration about all that is happening around the company is understandable. But that’s the current reality. Obviusly the situation is far more complex than many of us would have imagined perhaps just a month ago – financially and otherwise. Perhaps VM should have provided clearer message to the public on this matter, perhaps he cannot, perhaps doing that would only result in further entanglements for the company. Hard to tell. But… Read more »
blksaabth
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Considering saab was being wound down and closed, I think they have done a remarkable job of starting it back up again. Yes, VM could have done better for damage control when the stoppage was announced; And I agree with the sentiment that cash is king and for suppliers to ask for payment upon receipt, it makes it tough for a company to operate, but it is not insurmountable. 60,000 cars a year should be obtainable; they just need time to reestablish the saab brand in the market place. Anyone interested in hearing some interesting stories on advertising and marketing… Read more »
Pedro
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Agreed they need time until the NG 9-3 arrives, but time = money and payment upon receipt in an industrial company means a much longer cash cycle, which means the company will have to restructure its capital structure to lean pretty much in long term financing only. These are very difficult times to do any kind of debt restructuring. The sale and leaseback can work (if Swedish authorities allow it to happen); let’s hope it does.

Niklas G
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But is payment upon receipt absolutely necessary when making and selling cars? If I were to buy a new Saab, choosing the right car would be the important issue. If I was offered, say, some small discount or extra accessories if paying when ordering, I would probably consider it to be a great offer. Perhaps more difficult for those who want to leave their old car as part of the payment (as someone suggested before), but for company cars and many others perhaps that could be one way to speed up the production bore than what had been possible otherwise?
Pedro
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If the supplier has doubts about SAABs financial condition it might tighten payment terms and try to impose that SAAB pay for the components on the spot instead of 30, or 60, or 90, or whatever days later. SAAB is also a small company that cannot easily negotiate purchasing terms and conditions as it (theoretically) could under GM’s arm.

nolltre
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I actually think Collin was fairly objective and supportive. The comment about SAAB not building the worlds best cars is actually a fair point since SAAB rarely wins tests in comparison to other cars. We like them, we have had SAABs in the family for at least 30 years, for some reason but the great masses often do not to the same extent. He made the comment that despite this, SAAB has a loyal following and that this might work. However, the comment, made by Jens, that not even the richest man in the world could sustain the losses SAABs… Read more »
Audun
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TTELA: http://ttela.se/ekonomi/ttekonomi/1.1187597-antonov-kan-ha-lost-bankfragan
Antonov may have solved the bank question.

No need to post it twice.

//RedJ

Audun
Member

OK 🙂

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