Friday quick and safe snippets

First off the bat, is svd.se which now features a review comparing the 9-5 to the A6. They deduct points for interior quality but comment on the 9-5’s road holding qualities as “best in class”. I am a little surprised that they compare fuel economy seeing as the 9-5 comes equipped with more horsies and torque. That is the only category where the 9-5 loses, yet they only reward it a score of three (Audi gets five) in their summary. Nice interior apparently beats the nice feeling you get from piloting the car through the ‘twisties.

Thanks Thomas for the tip

Pam, our on the spot IIHS spotter, let us know that IIHS has completed another test of the 9-5. This time they have put a poor unsuspecting 9-5 through a heavy side-impact. Designed to test what happens if a car gets struck by a SUV, the 9-5 holds up nicely, though IIHS notes there is a possible chance of rib fractures. Adding side curtain airbags in the rear helps the new 9-5 improve upon the score set by its predecessor.

It will be interesting to see the 9-5’s rollover score. That test only provided the Audi A6 with an ‘Average’ score and that is one event where Saab have a long history of success thanks to “on the roof” Carlsson. Which will bring to question those reviews that typically award the A6 the same safety score as the 9-5.

On the lighter side of things, a nice classic Saab 900 Turbo makes a cameo appearance in the Beastie Boys Fight for Your Right (Revistied) video. Jamie, who provided us with the link calls the cameo “unlikely”, but I am not sure what he meant by that. (BTW: That video is probably not safe for work. Public urination is frowned upon in the workplace I believe — proceed at your own risk)

Red J
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5 years 4 months ago

This SvD test has the most incredible results I’ve ever seen.
Normally you give points for different aspects of the car, at the end you can either compare the sum of the points or a weighted average of those to say which car is best.
In this test the Audi and the Saab got the exactly same a mount of points on every section, but on the overall the Audi gets 5 points and the Saab only 3.

maanders
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5 years 4 months ago

Is it possible to post comments to the article asking them to explain the difference in the overll score based on the points?

Red J
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I don’t know, but you can write an e-mail to the author.

No 9
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I do believe you can post comments. I would if I was fluent in Swedish.
From the Google translation I gather the Audi wins because of the interior?

gunteman
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5 years 4 months ago

Actually, it seems to be a “misprint”. In the paper edition, the Saab gets 4 points.

rostnes
Member
5 years 4 months ago

Oh, a misprint!
Is´nt that the story of Saab´s life… :-/

gunteman
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I know, it’s annoying, but all in all I think the review was rather good

rask
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5 years 4 months ago

Sent Nils, the author, a mail about the error in the final grade. Hopefully they will correct it or at least send me response.

rostnes
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5 years 4 months ago

Fortunately, the UK buyers reads the test and gets amazed by the car, and goes ahead and buys one. But swedes don´t give it a chance, they run ahead for the Audi!
Thats how we are!

gunteman
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5 years 4 months ago

Strangely enough, we need to educate the swedes that the Audi is the boring, mainstream choice (a position Saab, and even more so Volvo, had for many years).

theSandySaab
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5 years 4 months ago
Ok, just posted some points on the SvD homepage. Did not realize first hat the tester had tested the A6 TiD FWD with the 9-5 TTiD XWD, one reason for the higher consumption for the Saab. For fair comparison the same models have to be used. Still the A6 is more expensive. I am convinced if someone with a clear and unbiased mind would test these two great cars with same spec, neck to neck, Saab would come out a winner. But in the end, a car test and ultimately purchase is probably one of the most biased things we… Read more »
gunteman
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5 years 4 months ago

I don’t think so. Interior finish seems to trump everything else in car reviews, and the Audi still wins there, but what consumers should learns is this:

ZZZZ….

!!!!!…

Tobias-A
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5 years 4 months ago

All Audi´s look the same to me.. Its just size and shape of the models that differs. I guess people just buy them because its says Audi on them 🙂

Edis
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5 years 4 months ago
As far I understand it, SvD never tested the fuel consumption of the two cars, but simply based that part of the review on the declared fuel consumption by the manufacturer. To measure and compare the fuel consumption of the two test cars would be pointless since the Saab had 4WD and the Audi FWD, due to the fact that Saab had no FWD test car availible. The factory declared fuel consumption is clearly higher for the Saab, but this is not surprising given that only the Audi have stop-start which is worth quite a bit of fuel on the… Read more »
rune
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5 years 4 months ago

Yup, the article states that there was no FWD version of the 9-5 at hand.

The fact sheet on the right lists the FWD numbers with the corresponding XWD values in brackets.

emmany3
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5 years 4 months ago

Hey, it’s me Jamie…by “unlikely” I meant it is among an odd group of cars from an old Chevrolet to a Pacer(!) to 90s era Civic and bit out of place. The Saab is definitely the coolest kid on that block!

P.S. public urination is frowned upon, but my inner teenage boy laughed for awhile.
Thanks!

Alex740
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5 years 4 months ago
I’m not surprised the Audi won out over the Saab because of the interior, that’s a huge factor nowadays in determining “quality” of a product for many reviewers and consumers. The devil is in the details and from a design perspective the details of the Audi are far better than the 9-5. The interior finishes are far better, the pieces align better, the exterior details are crisper and more interesting. BUT the overal design of the Audi is fairly boring on the outside and cluttered on the inside, they have been using the same basic shape for their sedans since… Read more »
michaelb
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5 years 4 months ago

Instead of lamenting about GM past, it imight be worth to develop the existing car further, given the fact, that it will exist many years to come, Usually, this type of improvements is done in mid-cycle refreshes. If the weaknesses are as clearly recognized as you mention them – not the base design, but material choice and detail fit – it might be worth to improve them already before. It will not cost a fortune, but bring a lot in trms of perception.

No 9
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5 years 4 months ago

I believe there is already an evolution of the dash ready for 2012 MY.

Mark
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5 years 4 months ago

Hopefully the 9-5s mid life face-lift will take it’s exterior further away from it’s GM look and associated perceptions, and closer to how the 9-3’s replacement will look?
Anyway the interior doesn’t need too much work. It just needs some properly positioned Saab window switches (in the right position) and a real Saab steering wheel. The generic GM wheel just makes me think of Opel/Vauxhall/Buick/Chevrolet/Holden etc. Saab is not part of this bunch anymore.

Peter, Sweden
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5 years 4 months ago

Markac, the wheel IS designed and developed by Saab.

Red J
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5 years 4 months ago

This was the main problem during the GM years. Even if Saab did develop some parts other Brands were offering those parts first, and at the end people always thought of Saab as a rebadged GM, and not the other way around.

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