New engine for the Saab 9-5

Today I’ve received the price list for the 9-5 MY 12 for Germany. Prices will be valid from May 30th.

The SC will cost in Germany 1.800 € more than the Sedan, while the price of the Sedan will remain the same.

The 9-5 SC will have in Germany a very competitive price as it will be about 3.000 € below the Audi A6 Avant or the BMW 5-series Touring.

Although we have already heard about it, this is the first time I see official information on the 136hp diesel engine for the Saab 9-5.

The only data available about it is the fact that it will be available for the Sedan and the SC in Linear or Vector trim. But we will have to wait till week 38 to be allowed to put an order on that engine.

The HiPer Strut (front) and the linked H-Arm (rear) will be available to (almost) any engine as an option.

Sorry, but I had to talk about product again. 🙂

UPDATE:
The 3.000 € is about 8% of the base price of the cheapest car. It may be not enough, but you can do a lot of things with that money.

No I don’t have further information on that engine. But as I assume it being only a low power version of the TiD (160), I think that the engine will have about 320 Nm of torque.

Talking about the VM V6 Diesel. Even if Saab is willing to source that engine from Hawtai for the 9-5, we would have to wait till MY 13.

Tomas TL1000R
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5 years 4 months ago

Red J you don´t have to be sorry for great information!

Francisco
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5 years 4 months ago

Quote:
“Competitive price as it will be about 3.000 € below the Audi A6 Avant or the BMW 5-series Touring”

Sorry,not enough……

Jake
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5 years 4 months ago

I’m almost positive that’s VERY MUCH enough off, considering that 3000 euros converts to $4,290.15. This kind of money separates different classes of vehicles; at least in the US. I’m not sure about Europe, but that kind of discount off of an A6 in the States would be welcome.

Khrisdk
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5 years 4 months ago

Well the class difference I can buy here is an upgrade to alloys on 3 wheels.
5-spoke Carve 18 x 8.0″ would cost me €4200 extra on a base Linear over the standard Wheels

SpinM
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I don’t think one can convert this piece of information into dollars. It may be that price difference in US is less than that. Remember that cars are cheaper in US than almost anywhere else in the world. Nevertheless, in my eyes, Saab pricing is very competitive.

Khrisdk
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5 years 4 months ago

It would be nice to know what this is based on?
I don’t know the german car market, so a little explanation might help
In Denmark €3000 doesen’t really matter, but we are an extreme case

m!ko
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5 years 4 months ago

Is that true, that in Denmark, the taxes are highest in Europe, or maby in the world? If yes, that’s what’s killing sales. If they have to spend huge money, people prefer to buy popular makes, like “the German triple”, so Saab needs a bigger discount to fight for the place in the market.

Khrisdk
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5 years 4 months ago
Oh maybe. We have a total taxation of about 80-85% of income. Car taxation is about 180% BUT:The conditions are the same for all producers. If you spec up any of Ze Germans to Saab levels, they are about €10-15.000 more On the leasing market, both private and company Saab prices are also better. Saab DK will not discount for private buyers They have a very defined strategy, backed by the mother company, Andersen & Martini, one of the largest importers in DK. 80% of sales for many years has been company leasing, and I suspect they intend to keep… Read more »
Khrisdk
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5 years 4 months ago

Actually the 9-5 sales in DK for 2011 is about 27% of the Audi A6 sales.
Just to put it in perspective.

m!ko
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5 years 4 months ago

well, thanks for explanation, every market has its own differences, I’ve heard some stories about DK from the people, who work there, as a guest workers, but on not complicated positions, so they’re not interested in the way of life and a car market, now I got a word from a real Dane 🙂

OliverH
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5 years 4 months ago

Competitive in price is the wrong position in market. Is the 95 worth to buy it must be the question.
Other point is the “powerful” 136 hp diesel. I had a 93-I with 125 hp diesel. Not bad, enough to fight with the 2.0 tdi with so called 140 hp. But 95 is an other area, car weights much more. 136 hp is a showcase for low CO2 and nothing more. From values I can’t feel emotions. My current 95-I Aero Saab Performance feels better.

Jake
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5 years 4 months ago

You beat me to it… In such a heavy car as the 9-5, I’m not sure that 136 hp cuts the mustard…

Jos
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5 years 4 months ago

Then take the stronger TTiD version. It’s not like your choice is limided to that one,
Though this one might achieve some emissions goals that might make it a very attractive choice in some markets, which will do the necesary numbers.

JH
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5 years 4 months ago

Remember that diesel engines have much better torque than gasoline engines, and that is the reason I think a 136 hp engine will work quite well. If Saab can get the 9-5 below 120 g CO2/km with that engine it would be outstanding, especially if it is both for the sedan and combi! Volvo are selling truckloads of V70:s with 115 hp diesel engines here in Sweden…

robertp
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5 years 4 months ago

Th Diesel 9-5 isn’t thatvheavy, specially not in 160hp

Jake
Member
5 years 4 months ago

I was thinking that, but I’m not sure of the official figures, so I wasn’t gonna conclude on just that…

Jake
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5 years 4 months ago

I must have forgot about the torque advantage… The 136 comes into play as a good base for the 9-5, especially if it does have the large amounts of torque associated with a diesel. Unfortunately, here in the States, we don’t have any rebates/incentives that I know of for cars emitting less CO2, probably because they mainly don’t exist here! 😀 It makes sense for Europe, though.

SteveW
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5 years 4 months ago

Yes if they can crack 120g CO2/km it will boost sales in the UK and other European markets.

m!ko
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5 years 4 months ago

And as we can see the fight for “below 120g CO2/km” – it’s a special offer for GB market, that will rise sales, bring money, and let the other countries still enjoy Saab as a live structure 🙂

JH
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5 years 4 months ago

Are there any more specifications available for this engine, like torque, fuel economy, emissions and so on?

nixschel
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5 years 4 months ago

Think this will be a killer in the Dutch lease market. Plenty of torque and with out speed restrictions more than suitable for the job. the 1.6 Turbo 9-5 does exactly the same 😉 Very clever to introduce this one, cannot wait to testdrive one. Not all of us need a bhp monster 😉

xlx
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5 years 4 months ago

here it would be interesting to know how big portion (%) of all sold diesels is in these small ones at the competition offerings (a6, bmw5, v70…). There somewhere is the truth if customers are interested or not. I am a bit sceptical …

And than the snail feeling on the first km’s after crossing the NL border to a german highway …

Mailr
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5 years 4 months ago
A sub 120 g/km 9-5 will improve sales, no matter how good or bad it works. The reason is that in Sweden a significant number of large companies have environmental policies that mandates that all rental or bought cars should be environmantally friendly, which typically translates to below 120g/km limit. (Biopower cars sometimes but not always work around this limit.) Going above this requires special permits, so when renting a car nobody bothers. That means the rental companies can only rent sub-120 cars to these companies. What the driver thinks about the engine doesn’t mean one iota (unless he’s so… Read more »
SCVA
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5 years 4 months ago

Please – Please bring the Aero Turbo4 (220) XWD Manual to the USA!

Doctor Donk
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5 years 4 months ago

Good deal if you can tune that engine with HIrsch or maptun up to 200-210HP, which i believe you can.

m!ko
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5 years 4 months ago

I’m afraid it’ll be difficult to get over 200HP, the 136HP version may use less efficient injectors, different computer spec and many other engine diffierences, that may cause it uneconomical to buy a 136HP version and upgrade it by a tuner.

VikingX
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5 years 4 months ago

For those 3.000 € saved you might be able to find a nice classic 900 or 9000…. 😉

per
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5 years 4 months ago

Yes, this 136hp diesel is very important in Europe for tax reasons.

Thilo
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5 years 4 months ago

Yes, in some countries it is, the difference from 160hp to 136hp makes the car about 3.000 EUR cheaper in Norway (even if it had the same CO2/km). What I hear most of the 9-5s her are sold with the 160hp diesel engine.

Thylmuc
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5 years 4 months ago

When the Hawtai deal surfaced, it was speculated that this might also be a source for a V6 Diesel engine, because Hawtai manufacturers such an engine, licenced from VM Motori. What will happen now in this regard?

zippy
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5 years 4 months ago

I don’t think a V6 diesel is needed any longer as they seem to be ‘niche’ cars even in Europe. Jag recently put a 4-cylinder diesel in their XF so it appears the big boys are starting to think small-er.

Thylmuc
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5 years 4 months ago

Do you happen to have statistics on this? V6 vs i4 numbers? That would be quite interesting.

Of note, the V6 might also be about smooth running. Since more than half a year I now want to test drive a V6 to find out more about its subjective smoothness.

Francisco
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5 years 4 months ago

Quote:

“licenced from VM Motori”

This is funny guys as Vm Motori are own 50% by GM and 50% by Fiat???

Bravada from GMI
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5 years 4 months ago

I wonder if the engine is fundamentally different from the 160 HP TiD and 190 HP TTiD (as the old 1.9 TiD, TiDS and TTiD were) or just a remap (as the current different versions of 1.9 TTiD are). Any info on that?

Tomas TL1000R
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5 years 4 months ago

Without this 119g engine sales figure would be bad. Even if the costumer pick another engine Saab become an alternative and that it self brings sale. You want to be an alternative and not out in the cold. Ovlov V70 costumer is the target and they have there eDrive .

kenthebeardman
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5 years 4 months ago
I don’t understand this big issue about diesel engines. Diesel cars are; a) more expensive to buy, b) more expensive to repair, c) the diesel fuel costs about the same as petrol per liter, and d) diesel cars are subject to an substantially higher annual car tax rate – at least in Sweden. If buying a car for some USD 90 – 100 000 which is the price for a fully optioned 9-5 SC in most countries…..the issue of saving a few kopek’s on fuel is more a Joakim von Anka argument. Personally, I am not ready to endure ”… Read more »
rune
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5 years 4 months ago
ken, my wife just asked me to check on the current 9-3 pricing. Let us compare the 163 bhp biopower vs the 160 bhp TTiD. The diesel costs 10000 SEK more (258400 SEK in total). I believe road taxes are similar for these two (first three years – no tax in Sweden)? 10000 SEK buys you 1031 liters of E85. Mixed driving is 6.7 liters / 100 km. But E85 is supposed to be 30% less effective (though the new direct injection engine is supposed to be more frugal when run on E85, no?). I think you can safely get… Read more »
Joe___
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5 years 4 months ago

Is it possible to share that official information / link that PDF? Can’t find it over at saab.de. What’s the entry price for 136hp diesel linear?

twi
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5 years 4 months ago

Anyone know when will we will be seeing the 9-5 xwd ttid automatic transmission???

aero
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5 years 4 months ago

Fully agree. The 190hp ttid with automatic is more important than any sub 120co2 diesel in the 9-5. If they can bring the ttid with automatic AND XWD that is just great.

Saab can do better than 136hp.

Tomas TL1000R
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5 years 4 months ago

“Saab can do better than 136hp”

I don´t know the weight on a SC but lets say 1750kg and from there get under
120g is not that easy. It´s very good infact, remember Saab is a small player, all
competitors are much larger in comparison and they are not better than this.

But the TTiD with automatic and XWD would be great. Hopefully soon!

Everything is about:
Power (alot)
Consumption(extremely low)
Features (lots of it)
Costs (low enough)

And all versions should be available to satisfy all……….=cash and even more cash, hard cash!

Tomas TL1000R
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5 years 4 months ago

One more thing! Time, should be out there yesterday right!

monte03
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5 years 4 months ago

The one thing what interests me most from Red J’s entry is the fact that I can now order for my 9-5 SC 2.0 T Aero Bio power with XWD the Hiper Strut front and H-Arm rear suspension which was until now exclusively reserved for the 2.8 engine :)))))))) and when i´m reading the price list of Switzerland correctly, this option will cost me only about 824 € 🙂

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