Who needs wants to go 200 kph?

It’s a difficult topic. Like always when it’s more about “want” then “need”. There have been some discussions about it here already and they have always been controversial. I know it’s a fact that with higher speeds the danger of serious or fatal crashes increases. But that’s not the whole story.

Talking about myself the first time I reached the 200 kph was at driving school. I had an instructor with good nerves and obviously a bit of trust in me as he told me so accelerate as much as I dare. I obeyed 😉 . Since then I always loved to go fast and living in the land of the autobahn I had lots of chances to do so. And through that I have learned that it’s not only about the speed but even more about the circumstances.

It’s a lot about the driver’s ability to judge the risk of going north of 200 kph in a certain situation. I’ve always felt that driving above 200 kph feels like another world. And it’s something you have to get used to to learn how to react in certain situations. And you need to be aware of the dangers, sometimes you might even need a sixth sense.

When I see those big limousines, mostly of the big three German brands, hunting each other on the autobahn in heavy traffic I am sometimes not sure if they’re insane or if those cars with their huge amounts of assistance systems give the driver a feeling of invulnarability. Well, I hope that those guys will be tought by the police how to behave in traffic because I don’t want to be hit by one of them.

On the other hand there are those rare occasions when on the right time and on the right part of the autobahn you can even go 250 kph without engangering yourself or others too much. And I really enjoy those occasions a lot.

I know what some are about to say: 250 kph are a huge danger in itself even though I try to do my best to keep risks low. I know that. Just like I know the danger of smoking and don’t quit that either. You just can’t exclude every danger from life and, to be honest, if you ever seriously think about all the dangers in traffic you would possibly never enter a car again.

What I wanted to express is that I don’t think it is complete madness to go 200 kph or faster. But it surely can be. So drive safely and be aware!

solvy
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5 years 3 months ago
in austria we have a speedlimit of 130 km/h and only under certain circumstances i’m going faster than that, but never faster than 160. most austrian speeder aren’t going beyond 160. personally, driving in germany on the autobahn without speedlimit is stressfull. although driving fast you always have to keep the mirrors in sight because of possible speeders coming. it’s not that easy to change the lane and so on. it’s easyer and less stressfull to “go with the flow” which the saabs i’m driving are capable of. instead of going fast, i prefer accelerating on a hill. you can… Read more »
Pedro
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5 years 3 months ago

Speed limit here in Portugal is 120KPH on motorways. I rarely do over 140KPH these days as once, doing 200KPH on a 2.0T Volvo S80 I got one of those scares. Yes, one can do it, but endangering oneself over it is of no use.

Red J
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5 years 3 months ago
Driving on a German Autobahn is really stressful, but not because of the high speed but because of the speed differences. You can drive 250 kph on a two lane (per direction) Motorway, and all of the sudden and sometimes without using the turn indicator somebody changes lanes driving at 100 kph because it just wants to overtake a lorry, which is only allowed to drive at 90 kph. So driving north of 200 kph is not that endangering, if you, as Till says, have a 6th sense, and know what people are going to do before they do it.… Read more »
mikaik
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5 years 3 months ago

About that 6th sense, my rule of thumb for a two lane motorway is:
two cars on the slow lane – caution (ease off if they’re close to each other); three cars on the slow lane – definitely ease off, 80% chances at least one of them will suddenly change lane.
I find driving in the south of Germany even more aggressive than in the north, but maybe it’s just me….

Rico
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5 years 3 months ago
I agree to, that on german Autobahn driving in the south is more aggressive than in the north. I live near Frankfurt and i experience the traffic between Munich and Garmich VERY AGGRESSIVE. In my times whe I was younger I liked it driving very fast with my 9000 2,3 turbo CD in the 90’s. At that time driving 230kph was VERY FAST and there were not many cars wich could catch you. At those times, reducing velocity from 230 to 160 kph was a feeling like “driving slove”. But…times changes and I pürefer now to cruise in long distances… Read more »
rune
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5 years 3 months ago

Well, the increased frequency of gas station visits eats time of course.

What is needed is a chart which relates speed to fuel consumed (and time wasted refilling).

mikaik
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5 years 3 months ago

In fact is not such a dramatic difference if you don’t have to accelerate/brake all the time. After several passes in Austria/Italy/Switzerland, and a 200-220 stint on the motorway, I have a 12,1 l/100km average consumption.

rune
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5 years 3 months ago

without using the turn indicator

Any statistics on who is the most likely culprit? Many Norwegians refuse to use their turning signals.

Peter G.
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5 years 3 months ago

I agree with Till. I enjoy speeds over 220kph when I visit Germany. My fav part of the Autobahn is between Munich and Nürnberg where you can do 200+ avg speed 🙂
Red J: Most parts with only two lanes have speed limit as far as I remember.

mikaik
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5 years 3 months ago
Truth be told, you can still be killed by someone doing 200+ even if you’re doing a humble 120 at that moment. Of course your chances of being killed increase with speed, but one has to be reasonable. When the conditions are right, is 200 much more dangerous than 120? Besides, 120 is almost impossible here (Germany), it’s gotta be 100 or the speed of light. Just last weekend, driving back home from Passo dello Stelvio, my wife drove 200-220kph (on the motorway going from Garmisch to Munich). It was almost empty, so why not?! After all, we didn’t buy… Read more »
martinsaab
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5 years 3 months ago

To be honest, I do not even know if my Hirsched 1.8t does the promised 230kph.
I did not make more tahn 200 upto now.It is too stressful.
Even on an empty autobahn, everything happens so damn fast at that speed…
But I enjoy the Hirsch torque every day 😉

Am I old? Or weak-kneed? Or simply deliberate?

rune
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5 years 3 months ago

I had a Hirsched 2008 9-3 1.8t SportCombi, and yes, it managed 230 kph. (245 going downhill 😉 ) So chances are good yours will too.

Stress? Is that when you continue to press harder on the go-fast-pedal while yelling “more pow-ah!!!”? 😀

kanundrum
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5 years 3 months ago

Took the TurboX Up to 150mph on a Airport Runway. Did several runs in about a hour, and it was a blast. Car feels like it can do it all day long!

zippy
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5 years 3 months ago

Ewww that sounds fun!!!!

Peter Gilbert
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5 years 3 months ago
When I first stated driving, in England my first Saab was a 1966 96 and back then (before Barbara Castle) there were no speed limits. I drove over the Pennines (before there was an M6) to join the M1 at Sheffield, then 2 solid hours flat out to London. That 2-Stroke sure thrived on it. At Road America racetrack, Wisconsin I took my SPG to the end of the clock, on the straightaway. That was probable 130 mph. It is not so much the top end but a comfortable safe speed on long distance cruising. That is why 85 mph… Read more »
LarsG
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5 years 3 months ago

I can understand that it is a special feeling to drive in high speed. I have a Hirsch trim since I got it when I bought my 9-3 -09. But I did not get it because I want higher speed but better torque and of course of the feeling that not so many Saab are ‘Hirsched’. It had been much cheaper to get Maptun or any other tuner but now I have it registered as tuned. That had not been possible in an easy way with another tuner.

Toby K
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5 years 3 months ago

The tennet is drive according to the conditions-if its clear and you are cautious-your an idiot, drive with drive fast in traffic you’re an idiot.
Finely balance your skill (within your limits) with the conditions is all you can do.

There is no legislating for others, you just have to assume most people will accidentally kill you and account for that as much as you can.

To that end some conditions probably would allow a safe long distance straight line transit of 200kph+

xlx
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5 years 3 months ago
imho age plays a role here. 10 years ago (was 30) i was enjoying to drive 220-230 on german highways. Now after 200kmh it starts to be stress, mainly because I am somehow much more aware of the fact, that a crash is mostly fatal for me as well as for the others around. btw. 15 years ago I was on a visit in the Porsche factory in (or near) Stuttgart. The guy in the crash test lab told us one thing : “when you directly crash into a barrier which doesn’t bounce you (wall, tree, frontal crash…) there is… Read more »
Toby K
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5 years 3 months ago

Also its traffic-20 years ago in the UK there was 30% less traffic and in my mind its people in cars that tend to be dangerous (as opposed to stationary objects) so the roads are
more crowded and dangerous today. Add to that the fact you can be irresponsible in a high powered and very safe car and still escape with your life (maybe).

These conditions do tend to encourage the idiocy you can view every day on youtube-street racing to oblivion-its just a tragedy when they take others with them.

Red J
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5 years 3 months ago

Having a crash with a 911 is one of the worst things that can happen to you, no matter at which speed you hit the wall. Because after you hit the wall, you still have a big engine pushing and pushing behind you.

Steve C.
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5 years 3 months ago
This discussion is nicely couched in terms of Autobahn driving where there are still portions with no limit. (I keep looking at my “resume speed” international sign hanging in my office.) As with any choice of speed, it always has to be appropriate for conditions and the vehicle and load you are driving. I’ve always enjoyed the ability of Saabs to crusie comfortably at high speeds at relatively low revs and with fairly decent fuel mileage. While we are talking about 200kph/125mph here, I think most driving enthusiasts would like to travel at a reasonable high speed on a limited… Read more »
GerritN
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5 years 3 months ago
Your relative speed (with respect to other cars) should roughly be proportionally inverse to the amount of cars within braking distance. I disregard killing yourself by hitting a tree or so, I’m just interested whether you kill someone else. So, no cars within braking distance means infinite speed, lots of cars means that your relative speed should be zero (all cars standing still or moving at the same speed). The exact relative speed is way more important than your actual speed. Any idiot passing cars with more than 100kph difference should have his/her drivers license taken away. You’re moving at… Read more »
Khrisdk
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5 years 3 months ago
Ah Motorbikes. Talk about speed…And the possibility to get easily squashed. When I was younger and more handsome and about 40’ish I tried a Hayabusa at top speed…..it somehow gives a new definition of tunnel vision We have a speed limit of 130 in DK and the driving license gets invoked if you’re caught at above 160km/h. But from my experience my own car only really comes together at speeds above 140 km/h and really feels nice and balanced from there to about 220. Then it stops being interesting and is mainly just annoying and stressfull. I don’t think I… Read more »
Dannii
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5 years 3 months ago
It is quite interesting to get Southern Africa perspective on speeds north of 200kph. In Namibia, on national roads (“B” or “C” roads) the speed limit is 120kph. The bitumen roads are very good and often we tend to drive pretty darn fast due to the huge distances between the various towns and villages. Conversely, the speed limit on gravel roads (read secondary roads) is restricted to 90kph and a lot of tourists have seen their stars by exceeding the posted speed limits to such an extent that rental companies have no fitted devices in rentals to repudiate any claims… Read more »
OliverH
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5 years 3 months ago

Don’t trust a car limited at 250 kph – they’re to slow 😉
Saab 95-I, Saab Performance with Race Kat

P.S.: On a two lane Autobahn driving at 200+ kph is very difficult. A lot people don’t do a second/ third view in the mirror to feel the speed of the car behind. A lot people only a look on distance – where we start to talk about risk driving 200+ kph. Not easy to reduce that risk.

WooDz
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5 years 3 months ago
As the right time, right conditions have already made the appearances above, I’d just like to add that I like the idea of de-restriced motorways. They enable me to get out of Germany in under 2 hours from Detmold (NRW). I can get to Hannover in under an hour in light traffic. Most Important I can get to the Frankfurt Messe in just over 2 hours. I’d rather drive at fluctuating high-speeds for 2 hours then at a constant medium to slow speed for 3+ hours. However the best car I’ve found for cutting through heavy motorway traffic is a… Read more »
Tomas TL1000R
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5 years 3 months ago
Think: 0-100 in 3,5 sek (theoreticly lower but you cant get the power down to the asphalt). 0-200 in under 8 sek and the cost for that experiance is just an average 1000 cc sport bike even if it´s 6-7 years old. So if anyone like speed and some adrenalin kick beeond normal. If you are old enough in Sweden it`s ok to buy those extreme machines and go full throttle even if you dont know how to drive them. Is that wise in some sense. Bottom line: Freedom under responsebility and it´s ok to go fast without risking anyone… Read more »
joachim
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5 years 3 months ago

here in austria are allowed max speed of 130. ok, i take 150 without risk of pictures taken by the police.
but in fact, i dont need 200. i want torque for overtaking other cars and i’m not interessted in 0-100 or topspeeds. everone of us are overtaking cars a lot, but who is accelerating 0-100 from a traffic light??? no one.. therefore 200 is useless and not necessary.

SAAB_Andee
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5 years 3 months ago

you got it joachim – it´s cool to cruise on our up and down motorways with 150 -160. i love it to take a hill with about 140-150 . I don´t need it faster. of course i reached it (200) sometimes- but no need in regular life 🙂 and if you wanna keep your driving license.

ps:sometimes i have the feeling there are more austrian saabistas in the forum than saabs on the road 🙂

mp2dtw
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5 years 3 months ago
OK, I’ll be the killjoy. Yes, I’ve been known to drive 100-110 mph on Detroit’s freeways if I’m late for work or something, but it’s stupid. It’s unsafe. It’s rude. It’s bad for the environment. It’s very similar to the lose-lose proposition SUVs give us. Because oil companies ticked me off with their insane price hikes/profit reports, for a couple of weeks I stayed right with my cruise control 62-65. My 27 mile commute took a few minutes (max) longer. I arrived at work & home relaxed because the drive was far easier and more pleasant. But now, I’m inching… Read more »
turbox
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5 years 3 months ago

Enjoying driving and stay safe, with that said. I’ve enjoyed the daily high speed runs of Autobahns and few midnight runs. Two things you need to know, 1. Know your driving capability 2. Know your cars capability. (i.e. tires, brakes, engine, ext.) Keep your risk factors low; your car in high standard and enjoy the speed 😉

Saab Turbo X 270 kph
96 Porsche 911 turbo 330+ kph

Chris_de_Ze
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5 years 3 months ago

I have many times reached easily speeds in the range of 200-225km/h on an almost free highway.
By having a stiff suspension, the Aero does not feel uncomfortable at these speeds and the car can handle them pretty well.
However, in the range 225-245Km/h I find that driving is more stressful and it requires much attention.

On the other hand, why one would drive so fast?
I do it only for short time periods just to check the capabilities of the car (provided the road conditions permits such speeds). Most of the time I am at 120-140Km/h.

Romac
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5 years 3 months ago
Just back to the UK from a trip to Germany (N) & Holland in my 9-3SC 1.9 TiD 120. Must confess that I managed 200km/h on the autobahn and it felt totally stable and comfortable. Averaged over 48mpg (5.9l/100km) over 800 miles but it would have been over 50mpg (5.6l/100km) without the Autobahn stint 😀 I agree that the speed difference can be huge in Germany, and yes, it is best to slow down when there is traffic around. Although it can be aggressive, at least people tend not to hog the outside lane when you come up behind them!… Read more »
welshwizard645
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5 years 3 months ago
I’ve just done the same….drove from Luebeck via Venlo and Eindhoven back to the UK on Monday – a 1000 km drive altogether in just over 8 hours – in my 9-5 Aero Auto getting 36 mpg… I was doing 140 kph on the clear stretches, but unfortunately the A1 between Hamburg and Bremen is littered with road works where you are slowed to 80 kph, the clear stretches with new tarmac is 100 kph….with the Aero if I wanted to pass something and I could see something closing in on my rear view mirror then I just floored it… Read more »
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