Facts on the Hirsch Performance launch in the USA

Last week I posted about Hirsch Performance finally being available in the USA. The discussion that followed in comments was quite emotional and made it clear that a lot of questions are still unanswered. What is needed are reliable info and facts. So I picked up the phone and had a long chat with Erik from Hirsch Performance to get into the details of the processes behind the US launch and to hear about the challenges.

The most important info is that, albeit delayed, the launch of the Hirsch Performance products has taken place. The dealers were informed by SCNA at the US dealer meeting in June that products and the IPRO can be ordered from the 20th of June. Many dealers have already placed orders and the first parts and programming tools are on a ship to the US as you read this.

At the end of last year Hirsch had ordered a bunch of IPRO engine programming tools for the dealers in the US. The normal delivery time is six months but you have a free market for the electronic parts needed for the IPRO that allows you to speed things up by chosing the supplier with the shortest delivery time. Not so after the earthquake/tsunami in Japan. That market disappeared and parts like the touch screen were simply not available any more so they had to wait until now to get delivery.

As already known the distribution channel for Hirsch in the USA is SCNA. With logistics, cashflow and so on many processes had to be implemented in the existing distribution network. At SCNA are, like at any other local Saab sales organization I know, relatively few people dealing with many tasks, trying to do their very best. When looking at the issues Saab had to deal with since April I think it is fully understandable that dealing with the Hirsch Performance launch was not their first priority.

In the US like in any other market you have to do certain tests to be allowed to offer your products. Those approvals cost money you have to earn back. So based on expected sales Hirsch Performance had to decide which performance upgrades to take to the CARB approval. As mentioned before, these are the software upgrades available in the US:

9-3 2,0T MY 2007-
9-3 2,8T MY 2008
9-5 2,0T MY 2011-
9-5 2,8T MY 2010-

Those are software upgrades only, because they are relatively easy in approval. Much more difficult are upgrades that require additional hardware like the intercooler for the 2009 9-3 Aero upgrade. While this is bad news for owners of that model I also think it is understandable that there are limits to an initial investment when entering a new market.

For those who already bought a new Saab I’ve some additional good news. On the initial statement from January it was said that new cars have to be upgraded within sixty days from purchase to fully retain the warranty. This is no longer the case, you can upgrade your car at any point of the warranty period without negative consequences.

I know it has been a long wait for the US Saabers to get the Hirsch products available through the local Saab dealers but this wait is over now. Finally you can experience the feeling I had on my test drives with the 9-3 Griffin and the 9-5 Hirsch Performance.

If you want further information there are many ways to get it. Of course the best would be to see your local dealer because he is the one who knows if he has already ordered and how long it will take until he gets it. These requests at the dealer will show them that there is demand and will show them that offering Hirsch is a good idea. Of course you can also contact SCNA. Or check the Hirsch homepage for availability of the products in your market. As the dealers activate their IPROs they will also be added to the dealer list there.

An additional source for information is the Hirsch thread in the SU forum where you can ask your questions and get answers from fellow Saabers like me.

Jonas Axelsson
Member
5 years 2 months ago

Missing from the above are two very important questions.

Are any of the 280 horsepower engines included. You mentioned the Turbo X as limited but there are many 2008 and 2009 280 engines out there.

Is the trial period available (since I also have a 09 210 horsepower car? In Europe you can get a download and then opt out if you are not satisfied. I spoke to two dealers last week and they said it was never mentioned for the US.

pierre
Member
5 years 2 months ago

Also worth noting is that on new cars, the engine upgrade cannot be performed prior to delivery to the customer. This would have constituted Saab selling a different engine variant, and an entire other level of certification would have been required. Thus, though it might be unwieldy, and would prevent one from rolling the cost of an upgrade into their purchase, the earliest one will be able to upgrade an ECU is right after taking delivery.

OliverH
Member
5 years 2 months ago

Are the UD dealers not able to mount an IC? Or is legislative stuff with approvals?

Jonas Axelsson
Member
5 years 2 months ago
Well before you brand me as “negative” keep in mind that there has been much information as channeled through this site regarding Hirsch. Who was at fault. As US has said “to set the record”: There was a list published of all of the Hirsch dealers. Problem. None had ever heard of or applied for inclusion to the list. Now we get a link to Hirsh dealers in the US,but surprise, the list is blank. Now I am learning that the inclusion into the trial program is up to the dealer. BTW, two dealers I spoke to this week said… Read more »
Tripod
Member
5 years 2 months ago
Can’t you wait until the things have arrived and point your questions to the closest dealer? From my point of view it seems like till72 has tried to explain everything he knows. I guess one almost can assume, in a case like this, that in the end it’s up to the dealers if they want the trial program or not. And as till72 said, it seems to be a brilliant way to test, and I think we all can understand why they recommend it. But it can’t be till72’s fault telling that they may have that option. I mean what’s… Read more »
davidgmills
Member
5 years 2 months ago

Can anyone tell me how close the Hirsch upgrade will be to the upcoming Regal GS which will have 270hp (200kw) and 295 ft lbs (400nm).

If the Hirsch upgrade does not meet the specs of the GS, can anyone tell me what they are, and if they are lower why they are lower?

74StingSaab
Member
5 years 2 months ago

Hum….Bummed that I will not be able to upgrade my 2006 SC Aero but when i sit and think about it…. no need for more than what I already have. The 2.8 it stout enough to deliver speed induced smiles but there are times I wish she (Ana) had just a little more zoom zoom…

Jonas Axelsson
Member
5 years 2 months ago

A software “bug” included a list of Hirsch dealers. Sorry, someone had to type that list in.

Additionally, it was a list of selective dealers. They are small and they have never heard of Hirsch believe it or not.

How did a so called “bug” put selective names on a list? There are about 4 dealers in New Jersey but only 1 was on there so it was a matter of selective deletion. I am no computer maven but not stupid. This was selective.

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