SU from a Saab employee point of view

I’ve just read this comment from a user called sabworker. I think some here should read it twice.

I must say that it seems that the tone here in SU, is starting to get very hard and negative.
I thought that this site was about to show support and passion for the brand Saab.

As an employee at Saab, I feel sad that our salary maybe be delayed, but not unexpected. The most of us that work here knows that this could happen, but we want to work here. I believe that the management are doing all they can to solve this, and I don’t believe that there is someone here that would do a better job.

So guys and ladies, keep calm and show your support for the Brand, their employees, the dealers and anybody affected by the current Saab situation.

When this is over, there will be plenty of time to point with the finger.

hans h
Member
5 years 1 month ago

When it comes to pointing fingers, it is important to choose the right finger.
I choose the thumb.

Thumbs up!

Daniel B
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+1!

tobbe
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I choose the longest finger I have, and choose to point it at the negative direction!

peeceepeh
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+1

phermansson
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Good writing! Agree 100%, lets show the world how powerful the Saab community actually is by being united instead of divided!

jouni72
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Yes, Saabsunited!

saablover
Member
5 years 1 month ago

as a saabdealer I support this but it is really a hard time for us

Ivanhoe
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+1

Troels, Denmark
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I really admire those loyal Saab-workers! They are a substantial part of the Saab-spirit! 🙂

jouni72
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+1
I´m also thinking of people like Eric Geers, Gunilla Gustavs, in what a pressure they are, dealing with media. Still they are staying in the boat, believing what they do. I really admire all Saab-people! You are in my mind.
At the same time I feel sympathy to all Saab-dealers. When I get my new 9-5 SC, I do everything I can to help my dealer to sell them more! This is the thing what we Saab-nuts could start to think, is there ways how WE can help dealers to get sales back again.

ANA
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I see from Bloomberg that the employees have backed unions’ plans to escalate matters and this could mean they file for the B-word in a couple of weeks if wages have not been paid. I dearly hope that this can be averted and a solution can be found.

SteveW
Member
5 years 1 month ago

The positive supporters are still here but at the moment we allowing the negative people to take over each topic posted.

I suggest that as soon as an unsubstantiated / unfair/ libellous / moaning post is published we reply with ‘troll alert’ and make no further responses. At the moment we are feeding the fire. If these people do not get a reaction they will get bored and hopefully go somewhere else.

ANA
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Anything libellous should be stamped on immediately however what could be seen as ‘unfair’ or ‘moaning’ by someone may actually be a genuine heartfelt opinion by someone else.

Saabim
Member
5 years 1 month ago

It’s very hard today for the friends in Trollhattan. They must beleive then VM does do all to go on.

Saab Up!

djkSaab
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Sadly too many comments at SU these days remind me of the rather uninteresting discussions you may see on tabloid newspapers forums. I think it’s time to embrace the brand we all care about and want to prosper in the future by thinking twice, or even more, before posting negative comments that only “feeds the beasts”:

– What’s the purpose of my comment?
– Would I express my self in this manner outside the web?
– Why am I not among those who are now working hard for a solution for our beloved brand?

Jos
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I would suggest to close comments on the main blog page alltogether, and move discussions to the forum. Especially on controversial news items, since it sadly attracts lots of trolls and discussion is likely to get nasty.
I’m aware it is user generated content, and the SU crew cannot me held responsible fot it, but this kind of threads reflect negatively on the community and on SAAB itself. Many people that do not actively participate in the community do come to SU for the latest news and are likely to check out comments as they pass by.

joseglv
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Not a bad idea… for a period of time….
But not a bad idea indeed

Kimberly
Member
5 years 1 month ago
I’m aware it is user generated content, and the SU crew cannot me held responsible fot it, but this kind of threads reflect negatively on the community and on SAAB itself. What reflects badly on the Saab community is Saab announcing deals in negotiation as closed deals and SU proclaiming everything is sunshine and sunshine and lollipops, and neglecting to report the bad news. It reeks of propoganda much like both Fox news (extreme conservative bias) and MSNBC (extreme liberal bias). I’m not saying SU should say it’s all doom and gloom, but being realistic and setting realistic expectations is… Read more »
900_S
Member
5 years 1 month ago

We’re really rooting for everyone involved!

Saab up!

LarsG
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I can only applaud sabworker, but I think that there are a lot of workers, dealers and suppliers who fight to survive. Not able to pay for their food and bills. Sometimes it can be hard for this people to keep the calm.

Nicola
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I’m a proud owner of a 2.0T Aero NG9-5… no more words needed, isn’t it? 🙂

Robert
Member
5 years 1 month ago

same for me : very happy with my new black NG 95 Aero.. and a real “head turner” overhere. Lots of admiring reactions.

Henrik B.
Member
5 years 1 month ago
I completely agree with Sabworker! And I truely don’ t understand that the moderators don’t delete all this CRAP and GARBAGE, that is constantly written by some users! Simply delete their writings and even ban them for a period of time! Yes, some will return using different IP’s, but then kick them again and again and again…! I’m so sick and tired of these know-it-all-better-than-the-rest guys. They’re here for one thing, and one thing only: To stir up things, to bash other users and to show off! They get way to much space and attentionand sucks the energy out of… Read more »
Henrik B.
Member
5 years 1 month ago

…and that was the motivation to even go to saabsunited.com.

Cheers!

joseglv
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+ 1000

🙂

Sadim
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I whole-heartedly support this. Only good news should be discussed and those who mention bad news should be slaughtered. Otherwise our eyes might be opened and the truth revealed. This MUST be prevented – at all cost.

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago

–“Flamebait”—

Henrik B.
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t give a rats arse, if what we’re doing is paint the view on Saab pink! I don’t care if some people think that we’re wearing “blinkers”. So what!? As long as I don’t get to have my day/evening/mood ruined by poor pesimists!

Cheers!

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Blatant trolling and mean-spirited negative statements are different from honest assessments of the current conditions.

I’d rather have the truth flavored with some bitterness than to be fed sweet lies.

Cerulean
Member
5 years 1 month ago
I couldn’t agree more. I work for a dealer and haven’t experienced as hard a time as this before. I look to SU for news, both good and bad, and have done since the good old Trollhattansaab days. The negativity in a lot of the comments may or may not be justified, but as a Saab enthusiast’s site it is not unreasonable to expect the majority of views here to be ‘rose-tinted’. It would be very easy to get depressed at the situation and jump ship to somewhere where the grass is greener, but at the moment things could go… Read more »
JasonPowell
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Cerulean, couldn’t agree with you more as I feel we’re in the same boat together. Also, when you have a passion for a certain brand, to switch would be very difficult and very hard to feel that passion for something you’ve always thought was not a Saab. Keep doing what you’re doing, you are not alone.

ryanonsrc
Member
5 years 1 month ago
I have never before have I seen this level of dedication of employees to their company and dedication of management to their employees. That’s right, I am declaring the Saab management as truly dedicated to their staff at a level I have never seen before. This is coming from someone who lives in Silicon Valley, where a small hiccup in the stock market may result in 5000 people being shown the door. If this were the only benchmark of corporate success, Saab could be declared the most successful company on the planet. Obviously, there is more to it then that,… Read more »
OddJob
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+ 1
This is so true. I just wish everybody could read it in the paper.

lasses
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Very good comment, thank you for correcting the perspective on Saabs behaviour in relation to their employees. Other employers not only in Silicon Valley would probably have laid of huge parts of their staff in a situation like this.

Similarly, while I understand that some dealers are struggIing for survival right now, and that some of them feel forced to step away from Saab, I cannot understand the arguments posed by Holmgrens here in Sweden. He argues that he has a moral problem with Saab, that they delay payment of wages. I seriously wondered about that.

Nate 9-3
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Well said. I have abstained from commenting on most threads at SU lately due to the negative influence of a few posters. I have come away feeling depressed rather than uplifted. I think that saabworker makes it clear how important the tone of our comments are here at SU.

katar1na
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Well said – and should be repeated over and over again!

jouni72
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+1 very well written! Think also how much “taxpayers money” Saab has saved in order not to lay-off people. Saab probably never gets any thanks about that from Goverment.

M.A.
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Hard comments should be ignored or simply deleted.

SAAB needs our SUpport.

aop
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I’d like to say that it definetly feels GOOD to drive our SAAB’s knowing they are built by such dedicated people as saabworker.

Thank you

TurboLover
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+1
Love

OliverH
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I supported Saab and ordered last week and today some parts.

And maybe we see now a management doing one little step after an other and not big jumps.

saabtec
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I agree that this is the kind of post we should be viewing here, with comments that reflect what the topic is. It’s comforting to hear.

hughw
Member
5 years 1 month ago
You know there’s negative and there’s negative. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a well-reasoned negative comment, but I think some posters are being negative to be negative. They get some kind of satisfaction and pleasure in bashing Saab, VM, etc. TimR has brought a lot of good things to the site, but moderation is not now of them. It’s gotten to the point where some of the discussions seem like a bunch of kids in a schoolyard arguing. TimR it’s time to be the strict school teacher and get ruthless about deleting posts and banning those that are… Read more »
joseglv
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I agree with saabworker…
Here at SU things got a bit harsh lately…
That´s nothing to do with the SU management change… but it was relatively at the same time.

WE ( as saab lovers ) SHOULD BE UNITED ans SUPPORT the managment… at least for the respect of the saab workers!!!
Many of them can have the wage delayed… but keeping their job…
Their famylies are in dificulties… but the still love the brand and support it…
If they do-it why don´t we??

PLEASE keep calm and carry on!

Thumbs up saabworker!
Let your co-workers know that the SU comunity are behind you guys!!
😀

saabtech4ever
Member
5 years 1 month ago

As for one who made my living servicing Saabs we can only wait and hope Mr. Saab can pull it off.I have never given up hope.And to all the European Saab people I love you for being perseverant with this low point in Saabs growth as a stand alone manufactuer.LONG LIVE SAAB!!

Momcat
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I think that Saab workers are the most incredibly loyal and supportive group of employees I have ever heard of. They deserve nothing but huge accolades and a great big THANK YOU from those of us who patiently wait for Saab to start production once again.

Griffin up!! And THANK YOU!!

SAAB340
Member
5 years 1 month ago

My respect and thanks to all Saab employees who stick with their company even in these trying times.

katar1na
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah… RESPECT it The Word!

katar1na
Member
5 years 1 month ago

My fingers act in two ways to support:

– Thumbs up =)
– Clasped 😉

PJPHughes
Member
5 years 1 month ago

A very enthusiastic thumbs up here from a loyal Saab owner here. I stand behind all of you! Look forward to be able to order my Fjord Blue ’12 9-5 Sport Combi!

Sven van Dijkman
Member
5 years 1 month ago

sabworker has my full support and I do fully agree with his writing and that of many other commenters here ahead of me. The allowed tone of voice in general has kept me from comments -to some extent- and especially from commenting myself, which is sad.
Hopefully the company soon will prove the naysayers have had it all wrong and until that I have hope and a lot of joy. That’s for me SU.

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Thumbs up here, too. These shouldn’t be the last days for Saab, not after so many years of producing great automobiles. The company needs to get back on its feet so it can reverse the slide….

Good luck to the folks in THN. There are many people pulling for you.

JasonPowell
Member
5 years 1 month ago
Red J, once again, thank you for such a post as this. Had you not brought this to the front page, I may not have seen the original post from “sabworker” and I feel it’s important for us to remember the workers when posting on here and as ryanonsrc said, zero layoffs and an utterly relentless dedication to get the funding they need to restart production how can we forget this. As a dealer sales manager, I can tell you it is very frustrating to not have better news to tell people, but I can also tell you that for… Read more »
Kimberly
Member
5 years 1 month ago
Question: if your friend had a booger hanging out of his nose, or if his fly/zipper were open, wouldn’t you mention it? The situation with Saab is dire; due mainly due to neglect by GM, but also by Saab itself. They have taken the long-in-the-tooth 9-3 and killed any attraction to performance car enthusiasts by dropping the V6. Saab dealers are still acting like they are a premium brand (honestly, they’re not) and charging outrageous prices for routine maintenance and for repairs. That doesn’t help to foster brand loyalty. The stealerships have the GM mentality, not the mentality required to… Read more »
saabworker
Member
5 years 1 month ago

What is MSRP?

JasonPowell
Member
5 years 1 month ago

MSRP is Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price which is set to give dealers and customers room to negotiate.

JasonPowell
Member
5 years 1 month ago
stealerships I don’t know where you are from, but I can assure you that this is not the case at my dealership and I take offence to a comment like that, that groups us all together under the same umbrella. do something like team up with BSR, Hirsch, or other tuners and bring them in-house and make a tuner-built top-trim level vehicle (Aero) worth the premium They are just starting to introduce this at the dealer level fully back by Saab warranty. drop the MSRP on the base model to reflect actual sale prices There could be one rather large… Read more »
Frank Wulfers
Member
5 years 1 month ago

There could be one rather large problem with that, if you drop the price to reflect final sale prices, how do you then still give a discount to someone wanting to negotiate?

No more discounts? It seems there has been an average discount of at least $3-5K on all Saabs in the last few years.

JasonPowell
Member
5 years 1 month ago
Frank, in North America, that’s easier said then done. I still have people that come in remembering the GM discounts of up to $12000, I at least have 0% financing to offer to help off set that and I would love to see a day of no more discounting. Unfortunately, I have taken myself off topic in this thread and need to bring it back, I will and always will continue to support Saab the employees and other dealers that I come in contact with, regardless of what direction we head. Thanks again Saab employees and management for keeping the… Read more »
Kimberly
Member
5 years 1 month ago
I don’t know where you are from, but I can assure you that this is not the case at my dealership and I take offence to a comment like that, that groups us all together under the same umbrella. What is your fee for the 60K mile service? One Saab dealer wants $950. For what – changing the oil, a few filters, the spark plugs and the serpentine belt? Please. Cost of an oil change $45 if you pay top dollar for the filter and Mobil 1, plus maybe a half hour of labor – with 5 minutes total of… Read more »
JasonPowell
Member
5 years 1 month ago

One Saab dealer wants $950

The stealerships

Your words, not mine. Not every dealership is the same and I would appreciate not being painted with the same brush as every other dealer. I don’t disagree with you that some dealers charge more then others, heck Chrysler charges me as a dealer $100 to program a key, is that fair?

zippy
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Want to live up to your bold “Born From Jets” claims? Deliver the performance to back it up.

You may need to do a little research before you make such statements. GM has effectively banned Saab from upping the power on their engines which is quite possibly the reason the new 9-3 has a 1.6L engine from BMW. We understand you are frustrated but flaming Saab doesnt really help.

Kimberly
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t look at it as flaming Saab, but giving constructive criticism.

Saab needs to generate excitement. If they’re going to put the Phoenix into production, or a 9-3 based on Phoenix, they need to offer a powerplant which delivers performance to match the looks, and Saab’s claims. I doubt a 1.6L I4 is capable of it.

zippy
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Itll have 200bhp and when the eXWD is added that brings it up to 240bhp. The whole Saab ethos is small turbocharged engines. We have seen what happens in the US when gas hits $5 a gallon, mass hysteria that the world is about to end and people ditch big cars. Saab is perfectly placing itself in the market with the 1.6T BMW engine when gas hits $5 a gallon – permanently.

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

This is so incredibly wrong.

A 1.6T might fly in Europe for a car the size of a 9-3 but it makes no sense elsewhere. A small engine with a relatively large car DOES NOT MEAN BETTER MILEAGE. (Caps are intentional.)

Best example is the smart fourtwo, which has a tiny 1 liter engine that gets about the same mileage as a Chevy Cruze and several “special fuel economy” Ford models.

A 1.6 might be fine if paired to a very compact car, but not in a 9-3.

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago
I does fly in Europe The problem with NA is that what people THINKS is needed is move Regarding fuel economy of the Smart, if we are talking about the petrol version it is not really relevent in Europe. The diesel version will run about 25-27 Km/l in real life situations. The main problem is that NA has become “the odd one out”. The rest of the world has different needs than NA, and I doubt that Saab will be able to cater for NA needs if we are talking the usual Power and Gadgets demands. Especially US is rapidly… Read more »
Chris Hansel
Member
5 years 1 month ago

+1
you better get + 35 mpg in the future or you will not be selling cars anywhere. Buy a Dodge Charger while you can. These cars will disappear in the near future.

JerseySaab
Member
5 years 1 month ago
My concern is not so much power, I’m sure with today’s technology a 1.6 can put out plenty, but I would worry about the longevity of a small engine that is pushed so hard. One of the properties Saab was famous for with the Triumph-derived 2.0 and 2.3 engines was incredible longevity. I have two old Saabs with these engines and each car has nearly 300,000 miles on the clock, still running practically like new, and that is not an unusual story. (I think the Chinese wound up with that engine as well as the old 9-5 platform when GM… Read more »
mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Khrisdk,

A large car powered by a small engine is a ridiculous pairing, forced upon you by equally ridiculous tax structures. If you value economy, drive a small car. It will save money over the long run, and still have sufficient performance to get out of the way in highway traffic.

A nearly 10-second time in getting from 0-100 km is an absolute joke.

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago

I never claimed that it was aything else.
I prefer small cars with big petrol engines, but the ones that will sell in EU are the diesel bangers.
What will sell in US will probably have to be built there for NA markets only.
We can debate the taxation of cars and ideological differences between US and EU for ever, but there is a factual difference in which cars are appealing in the market.

0-100 times are irrelevant when you are in congestion or travelling at 110km/h on the highway.
To get out of the way here means keep right. for those who are speeding

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago
A 2.0T in a car the size of a 9-3 is a perfect combination. Maybe even a turbo 1.6L. But it’s just silly in a large car like a 9-5, especially when the competition can get better performance and nearly the same mileage with larger engines. And 0-100 actually does matter when entering a highway, as you’d quickly discover if you’ve ever driven a Prius. 😉 And seriously….do you actually think that Saab would be able to survive without the North American market? Perhaps that might be the case if Saab became a nameplate for a Chinese-made car, but until… Read more »
Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Just one point that I would like to correct if that was your understanding:
I think that the US market is important for Saab.
It is just a very, very problematic market if you don’t have the ability to produce there.
It is (large) specialist market, and 9-4x is an example of that.

I could be a great success in US, but most of EU will look upon it as an abomination, not because it isn’t a great, goodlooking car, but because it doesn’t have a diesel engine…

rune
Member
5 years 1 month ago

mike, did you try the 2.0T in the 9-5 yourself?

Granted, I miss a bit of extra grunt sometimes going 80-120 kph, but 0-100 kph is no issue. I would also ask for a bit more oomp going up to 220 kph, but I only drive on the autobahn once a year (at most), so no biggie for me.

Nothing that cannot be solved by a little Hirsch.

As for the 9-3, it will be smaller than the 9-5 and you’ll get a boost by the electrical motors. I suspect it will perform just fine while providing crazy amounts of grip.

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago
Rune, I’ve only test driven the 6-cylinder 9-5, and that had pretty decent acceleration for a car its size. (Yes, it’s lagging behind competitors like the Hyundai Genesis sedan but it has slightly better economy.) But it’s a big car, and the 9-5 2.0T’s listed 0-100 time makes it slower than my minivan. There’s a reason it’s only sold where economy is critical. and no, there’s not much Hirsch or any other tuner can do with that engine. ;( For 1,330 Euros, the Hirsch upgrade will bring the 2.0L to 15 HP LESS than the Genesis….. Khrisdk, it’s a popular… Read more »
Henrik B.
Member
5 years 1 month ago
Mike. When I read you comments, it’s just obvious that you’re an american. Your statements are so old-fashioned and out of sync, with (the most of) the rest of the world. Statements like: A large car powered by a small engine is a ridiculous pairing Has nothing to do with engine size, but more to do with how the engine can perform! A nearly 10-second time in getting from 0-100 km is an absolute joke. Because? You think that everybody does 0-60 mph, at the lights? What makes a car fun to drive, is the right suspension and good torque… Read more »
Henrik B.
Member
5 years 1 month ago

And on another note:

Khrisdk, it’s a popular misconception that the US is a “(large) specialist market, and 9-4x is an example of that” because other crossovers are selling exceptionally well in Europe. Just not the 9-4x

The 9-4X has just entered the NA market, and isn’t on the European market yet, how the heck do you expect the dealers to sell the car then? Besides, as long as there isn’t a dieselengine in the program, the 9-4X will only be sold sporadicly in Europe. 98% of the Crossovers sold in Europe, is diesel..

Cheers!

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Yes. I think I will start a thread there

I find it the differences between NA and EU perceptions and expectations of Saab very interesting.
Just have to finish work first though.

Kimberly
Member
5 years 1 month ago
Henrik B. August 26, 2011 at 08:26 Mike. When I read you comments, it’s just obvious that you’re an american. Your statements are so old-fashioned and out of sync, with (the most of) the rest of the world. Statements like: A large car powered by a small engine is a ridiculous pairing Has nothing to do with engine size, but more to do with how the engine can perform! See below, where I address your mocking of the 9-5 vs. Genesis comparison. . . A nearly 10-second time in getting from 0-100 km is an absolute joke. Because? You think… Read more »
Henrik B.
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5 years 1 month ago
kimvette. Your way og thinking er so old-fashionet – and out of time. Development has surpassed old huge gas-gurgling engines, when the turbocharger was introduced. So today you don’t need 5,7-liters to get 300 lb torque at low rpm. The 9-5 Aero V6 puts out 295 lb @ 2000 rpm. Heck, my OG9-5 Aero 2,3-liters (4 cyl) – with a little help – did put out approx. 360 lb at 1800 rpm. If you look at the homepage for the swedish Saab-tuner Maptun, you’ll see, that Saab’s I4 2,3-liters engine can be tuned to put out 522 lb of torque.… Read more »
Tripod
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Henrik B. August 27, 2011 at 08:54,
Agree 100 %. To “enter the highway”, well, that’s one place where the Saab do really excel; 80-120 km/h anyone? 😀

US folks that thinks bigger is better and anything below 3.0-5.0L V6/V8 is junk are going to wake up.

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

GM has effectively banned Saab from upping the power on their engines which is quite possibly the reason the new 9-3 has a 1.6L engine from BMW.

Where are you getting this misinformation?

Saab can easily source powertrains from a variety of GM sources, including the entire Opel and Holden lines.

rune
Member
5 years 1 month ago
I do not recall it having been mentioned officially, but a number of sources within the company indicate that Saab was denied access to the higher performing engines. (basically jealousy on Opel’s part — they did not want Saab to beat them at everything) Hence the need for Hirsch. Hirsch are allowed to tune Saab’s engines without voiding the factory warranty (granted, not without a penalty in case their tuning causes mishaps for the customers). Basically Hirsch took Saab where Saab weren’t allowed to go themselves. That said, I do not recall that it has been said the 1.6 will… Read more »
hans h
Member
5 years 1 month ago

There must be some reason why the 3.0 V6 is a 210 hp machine in an Opel, but only 200 hp in a Saab. Where it was also turbocharged.
Either Opels numbers were wrong on the optimistic side, or Saabs on the lower side. Or Saab was not allowed to be more powerful. Or…?

ryanonsrc
Member
5 years 1 month ago

GM has effectively banned Saab from upping the power on their engines which is quite possibly the reason the new 9-3 has a 1.6L engine from BMW

Is that true? How does GM have the authority to permanently restrict the power on their engines long after they sold the company?

At any rate, I’ve heard some awesome things about the new 9-3 so I am sure it’s going to be a hit.

Kikaluka
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Saab advertises an MSRP similar to that of BMW and Audi

Really? I just checked the Saab, BMW and Audi sites, and found Saab’s MSRP is 10% lower. And Saab has more goodies standard. So please check the facts before you make statements like that.

@SaabNorthAmerica: please adress this wrong price perception agressively in your new marketing campaign.

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Want to live up to your bold “Born From Jets” claims?

I think that bit was a GM invention of dubious reality.
The statement of today is “Move your Mind”

zippy
Member
5 years 1 month ago

A few years back, Im not 100% sure when, Saab (or should I say GM) did drop the MSRP on their cars by what I believe was close to 10% to stop the discounting. It didnt work. With regard to dealers I really dont Saab dealers prices are any different from what a GM dealer would charge. If you want expensive head over to a MINI dealer charges over $150 for an oil/filter change.

beren
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Griffin Up! To me we are all there…like the employees we must all have moments of doubt, but the solid reader and posters here really care about our cars and the people that build them. Its a hard time for everyone I think builders, owners, buyers. We all need to understand this.

I know I love my car and am proud to drive it – hope to drive Saab all my life.

beren

Chris Hansel
Member
5 years 1 month ago
Under the current circumstances it’s understandable that some people have turned negative. But in fact I pleasantly found that some of the worse troublemakers have left SU. Or at least we don’t hear much from them anymore. I think Saab will survive, but what it will look like, or be like, will not please several of you, By the way I’m pricing a good used rerbuild 9-5 tramsmission for my beloved 2002. Our dealer has one with a three year guarantee. In and out of the car for $ 2700.00 dollars, anyone have an idea if this a good price.… Read more »
JerseySaab
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5 years 1 month ago

$2700 US sounds like a good price for a rebuilt transmission with installation. The transmission alone, without installation charge, would likely cost over $2000. In fact your dealer is probably giving you a better price than usual since as you say he needs the work. Sounds like a good deal for both of you. As long as your engine and the rest of the car are in good shape I’d go for it.

fanofsaab
Member
5 years 1 month ago

It may make sense to determine the value of your car before putting so much into it. If the miles are low enough and you’re comfortable with everything else functioning well, go for it!

Chris_de_Ze
Member
5 years 1 month ago

For those questioning the performance capabilities of the new 1.6T engine, please read the following real-life test published here at SU on April 2011:

Saab 9-5 2.0T/220hp Aero Auto XWD
vs
9-5 1.6Τ/180hp MT6 FWD Linear

http://saabsunited.saabklubben.se/2011/04/4-tpoxoi-test-the-9-5-vs-the-9-5.html

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

Yikes……Chris, I remembered reading that, and recalled how useless the comparison was. It’s apples and peas.

For starters, all AWD drivetrains have higher mechanical power losses than purely FWD or RWD. The difference can be up to 10 percent more drivetrain loss in AWD vs FWD.

The auto box also adds to the drivetrain loss.

fanofsaab
Member
5 years 1 month ago
United or Divided? What’s the purpose of Saab United? To me, WE are a group dedicated to preserve and promote Saab. WE are part of the reason we still have a place where we can talk Saab. What makes US successful is our passion,, enthusiasm and support of Saab. WE were at our best when the forces outside of our control threatened our existence. WE rallied and unified when the great oppressor GM, intentionally or unintentionally did so much to sabotage us. WE stand up when the politicians and bankers throw up roadblocks. Groups become stronger when they’re able to… Read more »
mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

“The great oppressor GM?”

Mismanagement is a bit different than “oppression.”

And based on Saab’s blunders before GM — using two-strokes into the 1970s, the Malmo plant, decades between model updates, etc. — , it’s not likely that it would have fared any better as an independent company.

GMs biggest mistake might have been allowing some of the same silly mindset to continue after it bought the company. That’s a case of benign neglect…

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago

ehmm…As far as I know the Two-stork was replaced in 1967.
About the same time that Audi stole the DKW F102 with a 2-stroke engine and made it into the Audi F103 with a 4-stroke. Which later became Audi 80

The rest is open for interpretation 😉

Though I would say that calling GM The Great Oppressor might a little over the top..

rune
Member
5 years 1 month ago

…and do not forget that Saab were quick to adopt the turbo. Hanging on to the two stroke engines may have been a mistake, but once they started correcting that mistake they made a lot of progress in very short time.

fanofsaab
Member
5 years 1 month ago

OK….my GM comments may be a stretch….just trying to make a point! I’m really tired of the doom and gloom on this site. I come here for optimism/energy. Do I want to be oblivious? No…the comments are just getting to be too much. Perhaps there should be another website for those who’s mission it is to critique, find fault, denigrate others, dissect the process.

Khrisdk
Member
5 years 1 month ago

There are…several 😉

I know what you mean, but some people are really obsessed with enlightening people in here with reality. The reality they see.

Not all are bad guys, and I think a lot of people are just frustrated.
Until there is either Money or bankruptcy we are in Limbo. That makes the mind wander..often in a negative direction

mike saunders
Member
5 years 1 month ago

You’re absolutely right about the two-stroke. I thought it died with the 1969/1970 model, but I was wrong about that.

Unfortunately, I was on target with the mention of the Malmo plant and the history of too much time between model updates. GM fixed those Saab management mistakes, at least to some degree, but was definitely guilty of not giving Saab the attention it needed to develop new models and to innovate.

hans h
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5 years 1 month ago
The Malmö plant wasn’t really Saabs idea either. Much like Volvo “inherited” the Uddevalla plant, Saab got the Malmö plant as some kind of political response to the wharf crisis in Sweden in the eighties. I think Saab payed 1 (one) krona for the entire factory including the grounds around it. Where, incidentally I work 🙂 I don’t know what Volvo payed, they might even have got money for taking on the Uddevalla plant. But those two plants were nothing but headaches for Volvo and Saab. Saab could prehaps have built a 9000 wagon. Volvo built wagons, and sold as… Read more »
JerseySaab
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5 years 1 month ago

Saab could prehaps have built a 9000 wagon. Volvo built wagons, and sold as many as they could build.

Lancia actually built a wagon on their version of the “Type 4” platform used by the Saab 9000, Lancia Thema, Fiat Croma, and Alfa Romeo 164:

Would have made an interesting variation on the 9000.

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