Next 9-3 – my order

It has often been said that the next 9-3 is crucial model for Saabs future. And that is right. It’s Saab’s bread and butter model and it has to sell most of the maybe 100k cars needed for break even earn most of the money to get the business viable again. That’s a big burdon it has to carry even before it has been released. Lots of expectations are there – these are mine.

For me the 9-3 has always been the car of choice. Over the last ten years I’ve had a 9-3 hatch, a SportSedan, a SportCombi, a 9-3x and now I’m on a SportSedan again. While I enjoy driving a 9-5 now and then I have to admit that due to its size and driving charactaristics the 9-3 is my absolute favourite. Some say that the current 9-3 is an old car but I still think it is on par with the competitors when it comes to the core thing: driving experience.

I’ve had the, err, pleasure to drive a S60 loaner car recently. Not only that it really annoyed me because all those assistance systems were blinking and beeping whenever I came near to a line on the road or someone was driving besides me but the main point about it was the handling, if not to say the lack of. It’s not fair to compare it to my SportSedan because it’s already upgraded suspension-wise so I’ll take our 9-3x as a reference. The 9-3x has a much more precise steering whilst in the Volvo it always was a woolly feeling. And in quick bends the 9-3x was still stable while the S60 already heavily consulted electronics. I’d happily give up some of those gadgets to get safe handling on a standard model.

This is just another experience in a competitor’s car that leads my to a list of my personal demands on a future 9-3. It’s quite personal and it refers to the way I am driving and where I’m driving. The most important thing to me is handling and I’d expect Saab to take care about that like they did before.

Body style
Right now my car is a SportSedan and I still think it is an extremely beautiful design. But I’d most likely go for a hatch for practical reasons – or a convertible because my daughter always wants me to get one. So those who have kids can maybe make an educated guess what I will end up with. I’d be happy with either one anyway.

Engine/powertrain
No doubt that the engine would be a 2-litre-turbo, in my opinion the most Saaby engine you can have. I’ve driven the 9-3 Griffin hirsched to 260 hp and it was an absolute blast. Most likely combined with a six-peed manual and XWD. Not too sure if I would choose eXWD though I think it’s one of the major improvements and generally a great feature. Honestly I might even end up with FWD because to me torque steer is not a bad thing and can be pretty much fun.

Gadgets
I bought my current car off the dealer lot and different from most cars I had before it only has basic features. But that can’t really bother me. Presumably I’d end up with a Vector or Aero so some features like fog lights will already be there. What I’d surely choose for a new car order is the biggest stereo which is likely to come with SatNav. If not – I’ve got my iPhone and it does the job quite well. Cruise control and heated sports seats are a must and (if it’s not a convertible) a moonroof. A feature I got to like on the 9-5 is the HUD. Whilst other manufacturers offer a color HUD I’m pretty fine with the green one. It shows me the most important information while driving and is not too distracting. So add this one for me. Blind spot indication, lane departure warning – not for me. Too much blink and bleep.

Hirsch
That’s simple. Shopping cart: add all. Thank you (no big surprise, right?).

So that’s my take on this. Less gadgets, more driving experience. To me, this could be a market segment where Saab could position the 9-3. Not too much blah about premium, make it a true drivers car. Safe, sporty and with responsible performance. No need to go for extreme hp numbers like M3 or the RS models, that does not fit the brand philosophy. But 220 hp will be enough to generate a big initial fun factor.

How about you? I’m curious to hear your opinion. Keep in mind that Saab can’t please everyone, even more with the limited financial ressources that are at hand. But in the end, no brand can.

Bravada from GMI
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4 years 11 months ago
I’d take a chain-driven 1.6 Prince @ 180-200 HP, but I’d be tempted if the 1.9 TTiD continues, it’s just too good an engine to skip. Either way, I hope to get them with BMW’s oil pump system preventing the turbine from “running dry” when the engine gets turned off too soon. Being a car from Scandinavia, I’d like the Saab to have an auxilliary engine/interior heater and/or remote start. I am not buying any new car without a good sound system, bluetooth integration and navigation, all standard at a reasonable price. Too much hassle trying to use extraneous or… Read more »
MarkoA
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4 years 11 months ago
Interesting topic. There´s many of your thoughts that are quite similar to mine. Especially why you chose 9-3 over the 9-5. This summer we got our first child and sometimes I feel like I could you a bit more room. But still, 9-3 would be my choise. We drive 9-3 SC 2.0T XWD Automatic, which pretty much have my dream powertrain combination. Though I would´ve like to have diesel xwd, but for known reasons there isn´t one available. So, to start with I´d go for a combi or hatch depending on how roomy and practical it would be. Then I´d… Read more »
StefanH STHLM
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4 years 11 months ago
And please Saab, dont make the same move as Volvo. They only offer AWD at the top level V60, the T6 with 304HP start at 400´000SEK. No goodies added. I had a Subaru Legacy -04 and a Subaru Outback -07 before todays Saab 9-3X, both with (AWD&AT). They cost 230´-280´000SEK. No goodies available to add in Sweden due to being a margin brand. The 9-3X cost me 350´000SEK. Very few goodies added. I stretched myself only not to have missed owning a Saab once in life. Please Saab, dont fall in to the “Premium” pit as all the others. Be… Read more »
StefanH STHLM
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4 years 11 months ago

+ Smart, desirable and affordable cars.

m!ko
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4 years 11 months ago

+1

Red J
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4 years 11 months ago

Bodystyle
I think I need 3 cars.
A 3 door hatch for me, a convertible for my wife and a 5-door hatch or wagon for the family trips.

Power train
Petrol/FWD/200+ hp. Maybe with an electric rear axle.

Gadgets
Keyless entry, Stop&GO, HUD, automatic high beam, heated leather seats, Cruise control (maybe automatic)

Personalization
I will surely add something to my car to make it even more unique, maybe from Hirsch, maybe from somebody else, depending on the offer, but Hirsch has always very interesting personalization kits. 😉

sxv
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4 years 11 months ago

Having driven the 9-5 Aero Ttid xwd last week I must say that my own 9-3 SC Aero Ttid is not as impressing as it used to be. Therefore my whish for the next 9-3 is that it will have the same driving experience as the new 9-5 or even better. And as always Ttid with xwd and automatic transmission. And it wouldn’t hurt to keep the prise at a respectable level.

Belfast_Saab
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4 years 11 months ago
@Bravada, agree with your comment “I’d like the current 9-3′s power adjustable seats, as they allow one to adjust the front of the seat cushion separately, which is crucial for the long legged”. I still can’t quite believe my 9-3 2.8T Aero with manual seats has no adjustment for base cushion to rise at fron t to support my knees. Huge omission in anotherwise very comfortable car. I’m thinking this was pretty much a standard feature in C900 and others. Even my wifes GM Zafira has a grerater range of adjustments (although the actual seats are less comfortable on long… Read more »
aap
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4 years 11 months ago
My next Saab? Well lets forget the daily troubles and dream a little. I’ve been driving Saab since 1988, three classic 900’s coupé and today a 9.5 estate (for work) and another classic 900i coupé (for fun). As you might expect i most like to drive the 900. The way you become one with the car is unrivaled. The handling is crisp and still the car is comfortable, not like f.i. the Alfa 159 wagon of my wife. That car is as crisp as there is, but you get tired from of the lack of suspension in the end. In… Read more »
welshwizard645
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4 years 11 months ago
If the new 9-3 has the same WOW factor as the 9-3SS Aero then they’re onto a winner, I think the 2003-2007 is the most stunning and coherent car Saab have produced, the 2007 redesign spoilt it and the 2011 update has gone some way to redess some of the earlier mistakes. The 220PS 2.0 litre unit is magnificent, seats extremely comfortable, faultless car in my opinion. I only got the 9-5 Aero as it was on my wish-list but in my mind I have no doubt which is the better car. If Saab can make the same leap-forward as… Read more »
RS
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4 years 11 months ago
Well written Till again. I hope the new 9-3 will be a fun, drivers car like the current one and not too big. We have the 9-5 SC already -well almost- for those who need the extra legroom in the back. The interior should also be made in a way where you can buy an all blacked dash as an option, with no annoying bling anywhere in sight (for the pro’s 😉 ). The standard interior must however have all the fancy trims and finishes to make the car appealing and credible in the general public’s eye. Best seats and… Read more »
Troels, Denmark
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4 years 11 months ago

Till 72, I agree with you in most of your considerations; The smaller 9-3 prior to the bigger 9-5, driving-experience prior to gadgets etc. …
But if I will be able to afford a new 9-3 (car-taxes in Denmark are very high) I disagree regarding the eXWD. I think the driving-experience will benefit a lot from this system and I am sure the mileage and the environment will as well. Actually I did not know the new 9-3 would be available without it… (?) – anybody knows ?

Red J
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4 years 11 months ago

Troels,
I don’t think that anybody outside Saab knows about that. An all hybrid range would be a very bold move from Saab, but I think it would raise the price tag for the entry level model, and this could have a bad effect in some markets.

And I also see some unanswered questions regarding the use of plug-in hybrids as company cars, maybe it is not that bad that Volvo is the first on the market. 😉

Bravada from GMI
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4 years 11 months ago

Forget entry-level. Saab can’t afford entry-level. BMW can sell a bunch of 3ers at a loss to sales reps to make it up with an M3. Saab is too small to sell any car at a loss.

Zizou
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4 years 11 months ago

Perfect Saab 9-3NG:

AERO hatch
2.0litre TURBO + eXWD (depending on output and consumption and daily drivingdistance, a 1,9 TTID + eXWD would be an option)
harman/kardon soundsystem
bluetooth
heated frontseats
hirsch

… and I would be the happiest person in the world…

Zizou
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4 years 11 months ago

what i forgot: I want my DASHBOARD back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bravada from GMI
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4 years 11 months ago

+1

Large buttons like in the YS3D!

RS
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4 years 11 months ago

Thanks for reminding!
Quality speakers ONLY (make multiple choices available all the way up to studio monitor quality in all Saabs) and no ripping off customers on sound system upgrades in general. ‘Plug and play’ subwoofers etc. Connection and cables that will make it easy for teens to pimp their Saabs.

We got to get the next generation interested and excited about the brand (again).

Zizou
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4 years 11 months ago

not only for teens 🙂

900SE
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4 years 11 months ago

The next Saab 9-3 should have:
Great Comfort (Seats, ride etc)
Great HVAC system
Great Ergonomics
Great Lighting system
Good Handling
Good Reliability
Good Fuel Economy.

jonthaa
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4 years 11 months ago

Just make mine an electric 4-seater convertible. If Tesla can do it, then Saab should too.

rune
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4 years 11 months ago

Well, the HUD isn’t completely green, there is also red when you are getting close to an obstacle (parking sensor engaged). I have no idea if the red color is specific to one area or if it is potentially everywhere. No trace of blue so far…

Ken H
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4 years 11 months ago

Make it lighter and smaller, and make sure that fading and peeling materials will never ever again be an issue.

Zizou
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4 years 11 months ago

+1
you should also add creaking!

ivo 71
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4 years 11 months ago

and bonking from the suspension…

Ivo

Turbine
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4 years 11 months ago

For me its simple – throw away the Rulebook – stop looking at audi/bmw and go in your own unique direction- design should be aircraft like as per phoenix, efficient electro- fuel 4WD drive , expansive spec, drop dead lines, this car NEEDS TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT SAAB – make it unforgettable – because if it is compared to any other competitor out in the market it misses the point – and hence the whole saab dream becomes dead – sorry no time for half measures after times like these …..

900 classic cab
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4 years 11 months ago

You said it all…well almost 🙂
On the engine section, the new TTiD 180 hp with 119CO2/Km deserves to be mentioned. Quite an engineering achievement.

Thylmuc
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4 years 11 months ago
How requirements differ! I want a car a bit bigger interor-wise than the present 9-3, with a trunk the size the 9-3 I, and a hatchback of course. The towing capacity should be higher than presently, like 1800 kg; and an engine with high torque at low resolutions is required, preferably a Diesel (provided it is smoother than the 2.2 in my 9-3 I) I want a time controllable heater. NO built-in navigation system (I intend to only keep my iPhone up-to-date), and a very basic radio (the sound is insufficent anyway), but connectable with an iPhone in a way… Read more »
Toby K
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4 years 11 months ago
Wrap around visor windscreen (Aero-X/9-5) Visor design reflected in Headlights to unify the design (9-5 comes close) Hidden A and B pillars (9-5 is a good start) Hockey stick rake on the C pillar. (Older 9-3 back end) Large hatch with convex glass (900/9-3) Subtle Sonnet or Ur Saab coachline detail. (Audi A5 have done this but it’s a bit hard and contrived but could look nice and evoke some heritage in a fresh clean way) Clamshell bonnet /forward falling and opening Green lighting, aircraft quality switch gear of hard plastics and resins and metals, ( not thin wear out… Read more »
Khrisdk
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4 years 11 months ago
Hmm Not much to add at the 2 above 🙂 Though after experiencing a 2.3L I would prefer those extra 0.3 for the BiTurbo Kill’em all engine. And trim off all of the fat. I’ll take lightweight and hi-tech materials generally over added gadgets. If using iQon please make it just as simple and cheap to update as other Android based stuff. I dislike ancient navigation If not, just forget it, I’ll use my own setup I don’t really need anything bigger that a OG9-3, but I could live with that if the weight was under 1200Kg I someone mounts… Read more »
Perian
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4 years 11 months ago
My next Saab will be my 7th. When my current lease ends in two years, my choice is simply to be able to have the opportunity to lease another one. I know it’s a long-shot, but I really hope Saab can get the production line rolling soon. I would imagine the new 9-3 has been delayed, and no matter how good the MY12 9-3 looks and drives, there is an extreme need for a new model. I am also worried about the new 9-4x. Note that the Cadillac SRX has received a new engine, and new interior (MCE) for MY12.… Read more »
LG Aero
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4 years 11 months ago
Having driven almost 60,000 miles in 2 years with 9-3 Convertible I have been well pleased with its winter capabilities. It’s not just decent control in snow, of which we had a lot in Upstate NY last winter, but a heater that comes on within a minute of startup. The heated seats and heater controls, insulated top all add up. So here is what would force me to give up this very fun car to get a new 9-3 Vert ! Electric Axle – The double benefit of increased fuel economy and extra traction would be fabulous. A fully integrated… Read more »
Zizou
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4 years 11 months ago

+1
Saab Convertible + Snow = Lots of fun!!!

joachim
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4 years 11 months ago
the next 9-3 is on my buying list. I agree partly with the wishes of MarkoA and StefanH STHLM I would like to have a hatch (or sport combi) with a small engine (petrol or diesel-depends of the hp’s), automatic, XWD, higher suspensions like 9-3x, sunroof, bluetooth, turbo gauge, a good sound system, a changeable dashboard (i.e. wood like my 9-3 I ), and non leather seats (not only at linear – i hate leather and loved my velours-seats at the 9-3 S MY99 )- but i think i’m alone with this wish) AND may be more interieur colors!! On… Read more »
kid cassady
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4 years 11 months ago

I want something truly revolutionary: the first 9-3x concept. That is precisely what I want in a car. All of the sportiness that Saab can muster combined with XWD and an unbelievably spacious trunk.

This is what Saab needs to save the brand and bring real attention to themselves, not more warmed up 9-3 leftovers dating from 2005. My 9000 Aero is the Saab yardstick for me, and there is nothing presently in the lineup that even approaches it.

ivo 71
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4 years 11 months ago

+1 for the 9000!

Ivo

saabluster
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4 years 11 months ago

The 9000 Aero may be the greatest car ever built. That is going to be hard to match but they almost have to if they want to survive. They must hit it out of the park to get noticed at this point.

Jarkko
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4 years 11 months ago

MY lease runs out for my Saab 9-3 Vector Wagon after 18 months. Saab, please introduce the new 9-3 before that as I cannot afford the 9-5.
A hatchback will do now after the kids have moved away from home (with the two dogs). Low emissions means a 8 gear auto or 7 gear double clutch automatic. The automatic version cannot have CO2 levels much higher than manual – not in today’s world!!!
The front seats are best for a Saab. But please have the new 9-3 ready in early 2013 at the latest!!!

Eagle63
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4 years 11 months ago

I agree with kid; I’ll keep on driving my ’97 9000 2.3T till Saab makes a car that’s comparable or better than the 9K.
The GM-era cars are fine cars (I especially like the 9-7X and the ‘push-button 9-3 V6T) but there’s something ‘pure Saab’ about the Saab-Scania era cars that makes them very special indeed…..

rune
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4 years 11 months ago
When I first started driving my 9-5 a year ago, I did not notice much improvement over my ’97 9000 CSE 2.3T. But going back to the 9000… Ouch. The NG 9-5 is easily an even better car for travelling long distances. When it comes to cargo, they each have their own set of limitations. The 9000, being a hatchback, can easily accomodate a normal-sized mattress (200 cm or so?), but you will have to move the driver’s seat aaaall the way to the front. The 9-5’s narrow gap between the trunk and the rest of the car means squeezing… Read more »
Eagle63
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4 years 11 months ago

Not a bad idea..
Althoug a combination with a 9-4X might fit me better;
a ‘classic’ and a Croos-over….
not bad at all…. 😉

Eagle63
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4 years 11 months ago

that’s cross-over ofcourse…

AeroDanny
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4 years 11 months ago
These are all definitely on my list although I am partial to the 2.8T that’s in my 2006 9-3 Aero. =) Although I thought the next 9-3 was going to be a hybrid using BMW’s 1.6L Turbo 4 and an electric motor? (the same powertrain from the PhoeniX Concept). I’d also like the button dash back in the 9-3 please. This is why I went with a 2006 9-3 instead of a 2007. The 2007+ dash is very nice but to it looks too GM IMHO. For me, a Saab has to have the button dash; I’m glad this was… Read more »
zippy
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4 years 11 months ago

All I can say is if the new 9-3 can get my heart pounding and the adrenaile coursing thru my veins like the new 9-5 V6 Aero did then we are most definitely onto a winner folks. My bet is Jason is going to do for Saab what Jaguar did when they changed everything….with a few old touches not to shock us too much.

Quixcube
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4 years 11 months ago
I would love to see Saab offer an “analog dashboard option” at no additional cost. It would probably be seen as a sort of treat for the purists while the normal digital dash could work well for most people. They would probably sell quite a few analog dash models in combination with manual transmissions. The trick would be to make it every bit as premium feeling as a modern digital dash so it wouldn’t seem like a “cheap” option. It should be equal, just different. The analog option should bring (among other things) a return to big mitten-friendly knobs for… Read more »
hilmar
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4 years 11 months ago
There are many good ideas mentioned. The new 9-3 should be a bit more roomy. Sedan, Hatch and SC . A bit blink and bleep is a must, people like it and he car differs from others. Night panel, a bit gadget and anything the Germans don´t have. Build a cabin and a dashboard similar to an aeroplane, driver orientated, with interesting interior illumination. Sporty and modern design- not quirky! – but enough room for a small family. A well equipped basic version with a valuable interior, basic Nav … – and a reasonable pricing for the next generation Saabers.… Read more »
Donald North
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4 years 11 months ago

Here are some of the features I’d like to see on the next 9-3:
1. Hatchback – no more also-ran sedans.
2. Rear seat folds perfectly flat while still maintaining comfortable seat position for 6 foot tall driver (something my classic 900 can do but no later version 900/9-3 could)
3. Window controls in the center console
4. Very comfortable seats (think Viggen or 2003 9-5 Aero)
5. Upright driving position with higher seat height (like classic 900). BMWs and Mercedes sit too low with my knees high.

allnewvolvo
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4 years 11 months ago
I feel that SAAB is very conflicted right now…….. A lot of you guys want are very similar features and levels of uniqueness….but I don’t think that your ideal SAAB 9-3 is ideal for SAAB’s business situation. Yes, SAAB is incredibly unique and should be, but SAAB has to face the music and adapt to what the majority wants. I think that the majority is going to want technology, clean-high quality (luxurious and asymmetrical) interior with tons more light and colorful materials, TIGHT STEERING, light weight, fuel efficient, hybrid alternative engine. This class doesn’t need tons of power, but a… Read more »
Khrisdk
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4 years 11 months ago

I think you are probably right.
I don’t hope Saab listens too much to us. 🙂
We are not really the right people to ask.

But it is nice to throw our perceptions around.
And I assume that most of us will be pleasently surprised when the new car arrives.
But there is still a tradition amongst the fans of disliking new models for not being exactly what we imagined.
I liked Zippys description best.

Donald North
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4 years 11 months ago

SAAB needs to develop unique vehicles and then advertise the benefits/advantages to the public in a compelling method. This is something that SAAB hasn’t done in the past 20 years (if ever). If you create a cool product and educate the buying public, customers will come. Making a me-too German-style car is not the answer in my opinion.

SpinM
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4 years 11 months ago
I will likely skip the next gen. 9-3, because I have a new Saab right now and I intend to keep it for quite some time as I don’t expect to be able to afford a new car any time soon. I am certain the new 9-3 is going to set new standards for safety and FWD car handling. Also I expect Saab to follow their tradition and equip the new model with seats that are second to none. I am not a sucker for fancy looking multi color but poorly functional gadgetry on dashboard, so evolution of the current… Read more »
beosaaber
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4 years 11 months ago

Better sound system as standard
Better materials in the interior and less squeaks!
Integrated Bluetooth – it has all the controls should be plug and play without having to get aftersales fitting.
I like the simple analog dash but the pixel resolution should be same as the SID.
The aux cable input should be lower down. As it is the cable dangles around the gear stick.
Front parking sensors, why on the rear only (MY08)?
Quiter diesel – drove a rented Ford recently much more refined sounding in lower gears.
2nd gear too racy for around town , keep having to ‘baby the clutch’.

Coggy
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4 years 11 months ago
MY next Saab ? I have it, a 9-3 TTid Sportswagon 180PS Had a few bad moments between ordering and delivery, such as the shut-down of manufacturing. However, Saab UK were second to none in customer service; they provided me with a loan car – a 9-5 Aero TTid 190 PS. I drove it around the UK and to Germany on business. That was one hell of a car, the performance was splendid, however there were bad points – the electronic handbrake, the closeness of reverse and first gear meant I could put it into reverse when starting away from… Read more »
Chris Hansel
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4 years 11 months ago
I will be in the market for this car if it is it sold in the U.S. in about 12 months. Here is the short list of what I would like: 1. Sexy sheetmetal, must be sporty looking. I love the current car, in fact we have two, but it is now 9 years old. 2. Have a base price that will allow first time buyers to be in the hunt. 3. Standard trans 4. Great new alloys designs. This sounds strange but think back, a lot of the classic Saabs we all love had great and progressive alloy designs.(… Read more »
RS
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4 years 11 months ago

I agree except on point 7.
If the NG 9-5 would have been a hatchback we’d probably picked one up in waiting of the SC, but the car being so unpractical for anyone needing to haul larger items it was a no go from the start even it the car drives great.

Like 900SE said; make modern, high quality OG900 (hatch and wagon) and you have winner that will not only sell to Saabers, but a lot of folks that needs a car that’s smartly engineered. (from the inside out).

Thylmuc
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4 years 11 months ago
Your input clearly shows the problems Saab has in getting all of us under one umbrella, I think. I of course fully respect your points of view; under different circumstances, we might even exchange positions. Still, It is amazing how we differ in perception: 1. To sit in a car is no sports for me, so why sporty looking? I don’t want my KitchenAid to look sporty as well. 2. Price is dictated by the low production numbers. 3. What is a standard transmission to you? For me, it is a transversally mounted front engine with front wheel drive and… Read more »
RS
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4 years 11 months ago

I believe he meant sporty looking as the current 9-3 and 9-5. Not horrible cuts like some other prefer it.
Hopefully Jason is made aware of one crucial benefit of having clean lines?
Hint. It’s got to do with durability.

Thylmuc
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4 years 11 months ago

Well, maybe, or maybe not. This just shows how difficult it is to find out the buyers’ preferences. What does sporty mean?

In all designs from Castriota I have seen (except the Birdcage 75) there were no clean lines. An interesting point about durability, I have to say.

TimW
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4 years 11 months ago
I want them to bring me something fresh, clean, sporty and NEW. I like every design saab has brought to us (except the NG900) in the past, but we need to evolve and go forward. So forget the OG900, I can buy one if I want to. No compromises on interior quality with nice brushed alu – stainless steel inserts (expand the pressshop with some smaller presses and make them yourselves). Think about the build quality of the interior at the design table. The connection of dash parts should be “invisible” to the customer, don’t make it harder than it… Read more »
RS
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4 years 11 months ago

So forget the OG900, I can buy one if I want to.

No one is saying they should make a 900/9000 CS copy but use the philosophy wrapped in these cars.
Performance, practicality, safety, comfort, quality, a bit of luxury etc. all in one package.

TimW
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4 years 11 months ago

I respect your opinion, but in all the discussions we had so far, a majority of people were shouting for an OG900. The things you mention can easily be found in the current 9-3 and 9-5 line-up.
So there is no reason to call out the OG900 or 9000, but just build more of what we now have then…

RS
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4 years 11 months ago
I respect your opinion as well, but the current line-up surely can’t be called more of the same??? There are enough to say a NG 9-3 or 9-5 is a SAAB in terms of handling, safety and driving ergonomics but that’s about it. During the GM tenure we’ve lost most of the practicality (thank god for the OG and NG 9-5 wagon though), all the quality perception, a lot of quality parts, competitive interiors, class leading performance and a huge number of paying customers. The things I previously listed are just the basics of a good car that happens to… Read more »
Giray
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4 years 11 months ago
My the present successor vision 9-3: Body versions: -sedan -wagon + version X (eXWD?) -coupe unified from convertible, alternatively yet hardtop (coupe instead of hatchback) -van (and la Ford S-max) + his crossover version, successor 9-4X engines: -basic 1.4 ~ 140HP -1.6 160-180HP -2.0 200/230 / 260HP -V6 2.5-3.0 300-400HP -diesel 2.0 160/200 of HP -diesel V6 3.0 250-300HP -hybrid -electric (with interchangeable batteries, how they will run out you change them on charged in the draught to load 5 minutes instead of 5 hours) equipment: -climatical packets – for regions about various climates -the larger scale of colours and… Read more »
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