No News Is Good News

The next 24-48 hours are going to be extremely quiet on the news front. Anything you read, I’d take with a huge grain of salt because it’s going to be speculative. The newsmakers have gone into radio silence mode, they don’t want good or bad news disturbing a potential deal between any parties. As such, we’re holding most of our coverage and are going to be focusing less on the deals side until there is concrete news to report.

Negotiations at the moment are in full swing, and any news source that claims they have a handle on a clear picture is straight up lying at this point. We’re in touch directly with those in the know, and will report what we can when we can. While we’d love to give a behind the scenes shot of negotiations, we’re not interested in disturbing or upsetting any potential deals. Needless to say, it’s going to be a busy few days ahead.

In the meantime, we’ll be focusing our attention on the numerous efforts that different branches of Saab are working on around the world, from Germany to Ohio. The only thing that I can report with some certainty is that Saab will be around for years to come, so these marketing efforts aren’t without cause.

Also please continue to be mindful and have a little more faith in the people who are negotiating for Saab’s survival (not just Victor Muller). They aren’t the ones who steered Saab into this minefield, but they’re the ones who will pull it out.

Niklas G
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Good. Best wishes to everybody involved in those negotiations.

saabdog
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I have faith Saab is gonna make it. I can’t imagine driving any another car.

Also — any updates on Tim…how’s he feeling? Want him to know we’re thinking about him.

JasonPowell
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I see he has his iPhone with him, so I’m sure he’s doing ok considering. I think I saw that he’s been grounded a couple more weeks from flying, so he’ll probably be going stir crazy soon.

phermansson
Member
4 years 11 months ago
Hey, now I have both my ipad and iphone at the hospital bed so I’m sure to make a quick recovery… Thanx for thinking of me Saabdog. I got it confirmed today, I have pneumonia so I’m stuck to the hospital bed for a few days swetting my ass off with high fevers an strong anti-biotics. One good thing though, women in this country are good looking, seeing them in nurses uniforms is not a bad sight. As Jeff are stating, we are very much in the loop of whats going on with direct contact with several of the top… Read more »
JasonPowell
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Tim,
Just make sure you don’t unplug something you need to get better with just to keep your iPhone and iPad charged. Seriously though, you probably need to be getting some rest too. I hope you feel better soon and you can get back home and maybe not have to section off parts of your house for you and her sections.

saabdog
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Ah, the nurses…be sure to ask for a Viagra drip & get some rest! We need you back in the drivers seat asap.

Peter Gilbert
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Speedy recovery Tim. I used to contract pneumonia for several consecutive years until I had a vaccination which put an end to it. Ask the Doc!

EuroDriver
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Hope you a quick and painless recovery Tim.

welshwizard645
Member
4 years 11 months ago

The Burger King in Stockholm railway station (where the Arlanda Express goes from) is worthy of a visit…best looking fast food outlet staff anywhere….I took my time with my order…

OddJob
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Thanks Jeff for being there. Keeping this in mind is da***d good news to me and something to hold on to for everybody. Things can only get better now.

Rogge
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I hope that is true 🙂 so that all who work at saab get good news! And the people who work there now get to keep their jobs now that they’ve been so loyal to management and the company!

JasonPowell
Member
4 years 11 months ago

For those of you that do work at Saab, I thank you all for hanging in there…. I know it’s not easy, just as it’s not easy for us in dealer world. Again, thank you and I look forward to seeing deliveries of your work coming to mine.

JasonPowell
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Jeff, for me, this line is very important:

The newsmakers have gone into radio silence mode

and can mean so much, usually this means things are close at hand and one can only hope that this is the case here too.

Tripod
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Well, this morning the Swedish, national public, radio had a small report, again, about some engineers leaving the companies, are going to be some more chat about that, apparently in the afternoon. It has been mentioned earlier in the news, so one wonder why the bring it up again, now …

I agree with JasonPowell, it’s good to know that they are working on all levels.

74StingSaab
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I believe!

saabluster
Member
4 years 11 months ago

When did you change your handle?

NorthOfAtlanta
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I’m just going to do what I’ve been doing keep calm and carry on. There isn’t much we can do at this time except repeat rumors and to many people come to this site for information to do that.

SAAB UP

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Anyone seen CJ in Wyoming recently? Or in Stockholm, maybe?

😉

Ivo

ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Extremely unlikely.

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Seen the smiley?

Ivo

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I really miss smileys here, right now it’s the pinky one denoting a demure blush…

Ivo

ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago
With respect I think it is a mistake NOT to cover the news here until there is anything ‘concrete’ to report – frankly we have been waiting for something concrete for months and there have been numerous false deadlines. Also when you say ‘it is going to extremely quiet on the news front’ – I would say that you don’t control the news – the media does. Finally, and to be a little controversial, I would bet that there will be some significant news within the next 48 hours, after-all there are more than a few players involved in this… Read more »
Tripod
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4 years 11 months ago
With respect I think it is a mistake NOT to cover the news here until there is anything ‘concrete’ to report – frankly we have been waiting for something concrete for months and there have been numerous false deadlines. Also when you say ‘it is going to extremely quiet on the news front’ – I would say that you don’t control the news – the media does. Finally, and to be a little controversial, I would bet that there will be some significant news within the next 48 hours, after-all there are more than a few players involved in this… Read more »
Mark
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Keep the faith!

Kimberly
Member
4 years 11 months ago

The newsmakers have gone into radio silence mode, they don’t want good or bad news disturbing a potential deal between any parties.

Good – that should have been the policy all along. Let’s all hope for the sake of SAAB employees, dealers, and customers alike that good news comes at the end of this! 🙂

bpsorrel
Member
4 years 11 months ago

+1 🙂

saabtec
Member
4 years 11 months ago
It alarming the amount of time that consumes my day checking SU. And this post is asking us to relax. I’m sure I’ve gained weight in my computer chair glued to SU since the GM wind down. I’m an SU addict, but don’t post a bunch. All fun aside, I have been a Saab service tech. for 26yrs. now. That is the glue here. I really don’t want to work on any other brand, or deal with other clientele, because not only is this a great car, we have great customers. Good luck to all involved. Now for some F5… Read more »
hughw
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I’m with you man on the F5 key. Perhaps, we should all chill out for a few days, and Jeff can send us an email blast when there’s news.

saabman
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Isn’t that the truth. I love days when I have lots of meetings so that I cannot be tempted check in here. And even then I sneak updates on my blackberry.

Troels, Denmark
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Yes – strange kind off denpendence we all seem to have got here, following this roller-coaster… 😉

GerritN
Member
4 years 11 months ago

“I love days when I have lots of meetings..”

Ah, meetings, the best excuse for not doing real work 🙂

saabtec
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, I’ll pick it up on my Twitter feed.

obelix
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, me too. But I found that there’s often quite some time between a new article and the moment it’s being tweeted. The RSS reader is more punctual.

100%Saab
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Works for me. I’m still here.

zippy
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I have everything crossed at the moment. 🙂

TonymacUK
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Painful!

LG Aero
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Please remember that through it all many of us, my self included, have stood four square behind Victor Muller as the man to move SAAB into the future. Although the ride has been difficult there is a better road ahead!

EuroDriver
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I have faith in Saab, they will make it out alive.

davidgmills
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Just like last time. We must have secrecy. The public can not handle the truth or the lies. Lots of good our ingnorance did us when Spyker bought Saab from GM. We have all stayed in the dark ever since.

When will the world get a different business model?

StefanH STHLM
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Hey Jeff, everybody is swiveling in uncertainty for months and You write the line we´ve all been hanging around for to read.

The only thing that I can report with some certainty is that Saab will be around for years to come

??
You know something, that´s for sure……. 🙂

Ps. Ok You did write the word “some” before certainty but its anyway very promising.ds

aki
Member
4 years 11 months ago

This is suspense at its best. I live in Germany and am excited as hell like a kid in kindergarden for the Saab tour to arrive at my local dealer. Considering all the depressing news and what has been happening to Saab all these months this is something I am really looking forward to. Saab will make it and I am confident…..and I will order the Saab 9-5SC as soon as production resumes. Have faith in the Saab team.

saabman
Member
4 years 11 months ago
Perhaps I am totally naive, which I really am, but I am feeling quite calm about everything. It would seem to me that there is significant interest in Saab on several continents and there’s nothing like the threat of a hard deadline (and possible bankruptcy) to motivate people into real action. Earlier today I showed my new 9-3 xwd to a colleague, who was impressed with both the exterior and interior styling (though far less with the gas mileage), And later tonight I drove through the parking lot of my dealer and the cars certainly look great. I seriously can’t… Read more »
jouni72
Member
4 years 11 months ago

And here is another calm Saab-fan… All the best to Victor and others involved to negotiate a good deal!

katar1na
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Haha! Lovely, SaabMan – “sjukSKÖRTerskorna” – so fun, since it should be “sjukSKÖTerskorna” instead! The way you spelled it the nurses do not tend or care at all… (don´t know what they do in their profession as “skörterskor” actually?) Let´s hope that is not the case for the sick man! 😉 Very nice try, though! For an american… );-]

Krya på dig snart, Tim och se upp för skörterskorna!

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

If you don’t speak Swedish (I don’t) then the word ‘skörterskorna’ sounds like something to do with short skirts…

😉

Ivo

Tripod
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Seems appropriate, if you want to raise the spirits, and someone to get well quickly. 😀

(I’m a Swede; you are close in one sense, with the skirt-thing.)

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Getting a bit funny in my head, I guess. The first sentence should read: i put the skörterskorna through the googletrans.

Ivo

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Ik heb die skörterskorna door de googletransgehaald. It translates as ‘brittle assistant nurses’. My imagination generates all kinds of -probably generally inappropriate but in this specific case perhaps less so- options….

Ivo

Tripod
Member
4 years 11 months ago

ivo 71 October 26, 2011 at 13:23,

No problem, I understood. 🙂
BTW: One of the meanings of “skirt” is, as you now: noun, the part of a garment, such as a dress or coat, that hangs freely from the waist down. Same with “skört” in Swedish, but that doesn’t mean one can use it in all senses of the word, such as in outskirts etc.

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Okay. So now explain to me how that word translates into ‘brittle assistant nurses’…

Ivo

Tripod
Member
4 years 11 months ago

October 26, 2011 at 13:49
“Okay. So now explain to me how that word translates into ‘brittle assistant nurses’…”

Heh, in one word: Google. 🙂

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

You just have to love that Google stuff…

🙂

Ivo

saabman
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Ugh. Jag försöker att skriva någonting snäll till den sjuka killen och ni skratar åt mig eftersom jag kan inte stava. (Men jag tror att kanske det är lite konstigt, vad jag skrev). Det var har varit väldigt länge–16 år–sedan jag studerade svenska i universitet. Det finns inte många amerikaner som kan även lite svenksa, vet du….

hans h
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Du behöver inte ta illa upp för det. Du har bara lyckats skriva ett ord som såg lite kul ut och som startade folks fantasier. Inget illa ment.
I don’t think you need to feel bad about it. You just managed to write a word that sounded funny in swedish, which started the imagination of people. A simple misspelling that even a Swede could make.

And Google can make hash out of the most proper sentences. 🙂

ivo 71
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Let me guess (before subjecting this to Google): 16 år–sedan jag studerade svenska i universitet stands for ‘a Swedish college student with a 16-year old Jaguar sedan’? Or maybe a 16-year old student with a Jag sedan, although I consider that a mite improbable.

🙂

Ivo

Niklas G
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I was impressed by how good are at Swedish, and even more so if it was 16 years since you learnt it.

(I don’t think that katar1na meant anything bad, just found it amusing that skört=basque, and wrote it in a way that could be misinterpreted since we’re not as good in English as you are. 😉 )

StefanH STHLM
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Don´t mention the gas mileage, please…. 😉
9-3X XWD AT = heavy gas mileage
9-3X XWD AT = Loads of fun

900 classic cab
Guest
4 years 11 months ago

Ok, so windows and linux users can give the F5 key some rest 🙂 … for now
There are great people working at SAAB, that’s for sure !

TurboLover
Member
4 years 11 months ago
TurboLamko
Member
4 years 11 months ago

They have nothing to write, that’s why they wrote this… :S

TurboLover
Member
4 years 11 months ago

But it would be interesting to know who the source is

Chris Hansel
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Less you are asleep it is clear, there are far to many parties that want Saab to continue. I’m not talking about bloggers now. I’m talking about companies, and governments. You are going to have some type of Saab company, I don’t know what it is going to look like, but there will be one. Our job will be to support whatever it is, and guide so that it will become the company we see in our minds.
Chris
p.s. Tim R, get well

artizangbr
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I really really hope the chinese are sincere this time, all this reminds me of the end of Rover in UK, everyone believed the chinese promise to invest and save the company only for them to pull out at the very last minute leaving no time to find another alternative forcing Rover into bankruptcy. They then came in and bought the production lines and property rights for next to nothing and shipped everything to china – no more Rover! It all felt contrived, I hope Mr Muller stands firm on intellectual property.

It just feels like deja vu

aeroman
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I for one don’t want add fuel to the fire while we wait, so all I am going to say is that I am staying positive, and taking advantage of Saab UK’s special offer on servicing: http://www.saabserviceclub.co.uk/ssc/fixed-price-servicing.php

aeroman
Member
4 years 11 months ago

PS best wishes to TimR for a speedy recovery whilst admiring the scenery!

Allan B
Member
4 years 11 months ago
It is good enough for me to know from Jeff et al that negotiations are ongoing and that when there is something concrete to report in the coming days, SU will cover it. I detect that you guys in the SU team are wearing yourselves out a litle bit with the amount of energy and effort put in to keeping tabs on this exceedingly intractable situation, which must be draining and dispiriting merely because it is going on so long, with the new page in the Saab story that was being turned in 2010 so often seeming to be threatened… Read more »
TurboLover
Member
4 years 11 months ago

That is exactly what I wanted to say as well, but you do it so much better Allan B.
+900

SU up!!!! 🙂

Tripod
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I agree with you, Allan.

TurboLover
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4 years 11 months ago
Henrik C
Guest
4 years 11 months ago
Hi everybody, It’s the 1st time to post here, and I may introduce my self a bit first. I’ve been visiting this site since 2009, when a lot happened to SAAB. To be honest, the primary reason for me to following Swade’s posts was I just bought a 9-3 Vector before GM decided to close down SAAB, which would heavily reduced the resale value of the car, though SAABs always depreciate faster than other premium brands (expect Swade, fewer peole here in Australia are interested in SAAB). Despite the economic concern, I did and still love the styling and performance… Read more »
rune
Member
4 years 11 months ago
That is an awful lot of questions, and a few statements that seems to be directly related to those questions. First of all, VM did promise that they would not get into this situation again. I do not remember if that promise came with qualifiers or not, but it was made after all the JIT suppliers had come to an agreement. Then all heck broke lose again when one of the other suppliers obviously was not onboard. Saab has 800+ suppliers and VM is optimistic perhaps too often. OTOH, he is the chairman, and how often have you seen a… Read more »
Henrik C
Guest
4 years 11 months ago

Well, the point I want to make is VM has no excuse to any delayed payment, and he had underestimated the risks of his business plan at the first place or he just wanted to gamble without sufficient secured funding.

rune
Member
4 years 11 months ago
He absolutely underestimated some of the challenges they encountered. But my question is: what would you (or anyone else in that situation) had done differently? One of the chief challenges was that GM shuttered the factory prior to the sale and told suppliers that there would be no more production. If you check out the pictures of the 9-5 shown at Frankfurt with what you can find in today’s showrooms, you’ll notice the dashboard fascia is radically different (and not in a good way to be blunt). The supplier of that part had vanished by the time VM and JÅJ… Read more »
TurboLover
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Very well stated Rune!

Let us now keep our fingers crossed for a good outcome of all this
STILL want my NG9-5SC!!

Griffin up!

Henrik C
Guest
4 years 11 months ago

Please don’t get the causal relationship into wrong direction, VM have done all these BECAUSE of poor risk assessment.

And if it was me, I’d rather let SAAB die in a complete shape in GM’s hands, instead of tearing it into pieces by myself.

hans h
Member
4 years 11 months ago

And if it was me, I’d rather let SAAB die in a complete shape in GM’s hands, instead of tearing it into pieces by myself.

There are a lot of people in Sweden who would love to let Saab die.
I am not one of them.

ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago

CJ was and is a great Saab supporter but he was never going to be allowed to buy Saab, especially in light of his own financial situation.

Henric Tungström
Member
4 years 11 months ago
—> JH22, I can agree with much of what you´re saying, right until that last comment, and that´s the one that makes all the differance: “I’d rather let SAAB die in a complete shape in GM’s hands, instead of tearing it into pieces by myself” I on the other hand rather see someone try and save it, ok the businessplan was lacking perhaps 100 million euros, but as we see now, that money could be brought in from elsewhere ie selling licenses to phoenix etc. I still think and hope that this will get solved, the chinese are simply barganing… Read more »
rune
Member
4 years 11 months ago

ANA, a question for you: if Y represents a group consisting of X, Z and Q — is Y’s personal wealth/economy of any relevance?

What exactly is it you are trying to say this time?

ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago

+1

ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago

If you go down JH22’s list slowly and answer all the questions honestly then I believe the misgivings are clear. I don’t want to fall out about this but sometimes it does seem like there is a bad case of ostrich’s-head-in-the-sand-syndrome from some of the more vocal people.

nickepicke
Member
4 years 11 months ago

+1

ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago

JH22
Very well written, you have echoed many of the points I have brought up (and have subsequently been attacked for).

GerritN
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Dear JH22, you raise some valid points, but I’d like to correct you on point 1 and add a point 1a. Saab was not supposed to make a profit for the first 2 or 3 years. There was something of a ‘break even’ point of selling 80,000 (later 50,000) cars, not selling enough new cars would be my point 1a. I’m not a marketing person, so I won’t try to explain why not enough cars were sold.

Btw, I would be very careful using the words ‘stupid’ and ‘idiot’ while addressing our hosts (i.e. SU crew), it is not polite.

ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago

GerritN,
You are correct the plan was to be profitable in 2012, but I think it is safe to say that they deviated from the plan.

saabdog
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Right on Gerrit.

BTW, are you anywhere near the New York area for the 2013 Formula One race?

GerritN
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I live for 11 months a year on Long Island, in August I’m usually in The Netherlands. With my luck the NY F1 will be in in August 🙁

saabdog
Member
4 years 11 months ago

I used to go to the F1 races @ Indianapolis, not too bad a drive from Memphis. But I’d love to fly up to the big apple for 2013. Maybe you’ll get lucky & be stateside.

Cheers!

RS
Member
4 years 11 months ago

So now your the victim…? Funny. I’ve only ever heard you talk negative about Saab, the management and their products. Being such a supporter, what Saabs have you actually owned?
Never heard of those either.

People earn respect by their conduct. JH22’s attitude is totally different from what yours have been in the past. Although you have toned it down lately, which is a good thing.

Cecilia
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Dear Leeloo. Have you got any idea what the difference is between a blog and a forum? I suggest you look it up. If you strongly disagree with the contents and general direction of a blog, there is a quite simple solution to your problem. 1. Do not visit the blog again 2. Start your own blog where you express your own mind on the subject.

Kimberly
Member
4 years 11 months ago
Leeloo, have you considered that you’re not wanted around here because of the constant metadiscussion? This whole thread, including the post I am making right now, are completely nontopical on here and the admins will be well within their right to remove the entire thread. Can we please stick to SAAB discussions please? That’s what we all come here for – not to hear you whining because you can or can’t get away with trolling. And yes, thanks to Tor it may be difficult to block you, but by implementing publish-on-approval policies for new users, keeping you off would become… Read more »
JasonPowell
Member
4 years 11 months ago
Leeloo, I just don’t get it, why do you feel the need to waste your time? I would guess that 90% or more of the people on here don’t want to hear from you, and I would also guess that if people like ANA and Sadim are true Saab fans, they wouldn’t want to be compared to you and your history on here. There are plenty of other sites where you can have your fun with ripping on Saab, go to TTAC site, they would love to have you….. but my guess is that it’s not what you want and… Read more »
ANA
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Jason
I do not, in any way, subscribe to the TTAC way of treating Saab nor do I condone Saab-bashing for the sake of it. As has been made clear earlier on this post I have some strong views about other things however I feel that at least some of my views and predictions will be vindicated as will I. Overall I will sincerely rejoice if Saab is saved.

JasonPowell
Member
4 years 11 months ago
ANA, just to be clear, you did see that my post was in response to the Leeloo character, right? The TTAC site reference was in regards to him and when reading my comment, I’m sure you can see that I was saying that I didn’t think you would want to be lumped in with him or like him given his history on SU, if I’m wrong, let me know….. I just didn’t think you would want to be looked at in the same light because Leeloo to me seems to be just like TTAC. I don’t know that I’ve done… Read more »
hilmar
Member
4 years 11 months ago

You need 2 years learning to speak but 50 years learning to be silent (Hemingway). 😉

nickepicke
Member
4 years 11 months ago

One question is why doesn’t SAAB pay the salaries?
http://di.se/Artiklar/2011/10/26/249075/saab4-Inga-besked-nar-lonerna-kan-komma/

SAAB should have money according to SWANs latest promise:
http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/saab-tvivlar-pa-pengar-fran-kina_6567525.svd

pelle
Member
4 years 11 months ago

Hope that we can save SAAB!

TurboLamko
Member
4 years 10 months ago

How do you think it will go today??

Fingers crossed from my side…

pelle
Member
4 years 10 months ago

This is not okay! The workers doesn’t get payed but: http://gt.expressen.se/nyheter/1.2604078/mullers-jattearvode-18-miljoner-kronor

rune
Member
4 years 10 months ago

You can multiply that amount by ten before it would pay a month’s worth of salaries for Saab’s employees.

Meanwhile, VM has been spending a lot of time securing Saab’s finances and has brought the company millions of Euros. A broker shuffling that kind of money on Wall Street would earn more. (which I personally think is iffy, but such is the world we live in)

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