JH
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Done. I wrote “GM – Please respect Saab and approve a deal which makes them survive. They really deserve that!”. I also uploaded a photo of a really nice Pearl White 9-4X Aero I took at the Saab Spring Show (Saab Vรฅrsalong) in April this year. I want to be able to buy such a car one day! ๐Ÿ™‚

I wonder what GM’s reaction is to all these posts at their Facebook page. Almost everything you see on their wall has to do with Saab. ๐Ÿ˜‰

aerostar
Member
4 years 9 months ago

when you post your request please hit the “LIKE” button underneath all other requests.

900 classic cab
Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Done…again.

Peter, Sweden
Member
4 years 9 months ago

… and again ๐Ÿ™‚

Irish Badger
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Done! (Using the Mrs’ Facebook account)

Mark
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Done………….

saabturbo
Member
4 years 9 months ago

….and again

JasonPowell
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Nicely said Jeff.

74StingSaab
Member
4 years 9 months ago

done… again.

Keith
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Jeff, is the new 3rd party more significantly more substantial that Spyker?

skwdenyer
Member
4 years 9 months ago
Jeff: you may not be able to say who, or how much, but you can give us a sense of what you know, I’m sure; when that is proved right by events, your credibility will be cemented. You give us so little to go on that we can’t judge whether, after the event, you knew anything at all or not. In consequence, it is clear that many here simply don’t accept your word / opinion on things – after all, it is easy to say ‘I know, but I’m not going to tell you’ and then, after the event, say… Read more »
Patrik B
Member
4 years 9 months ago
+1 I’m not gonna go public and promoting something that I don’t know anything about! For instance; I think that it is a really poor idea to leave Pang Da out of this. Youngman want to build cars of their own – buying Saab is a shortcut to better technology and that is what GM is afraid of. And being bought by somebody who want to build cars of their own will not help Saab sell cars. Being bought by a company who lives of actually selling the cars is brilliant and exactly what Saab needs (except money). And bringing… Read more »
Patrik B
Member
4 years 9 months ago
Ok, I can clarify this. Saab need stability financially but also from an owner perspective. Being overtaken 100% by Youngman and Pang Da would have provided that – we would have had somebody who wanted to sell lots of Saab cars and we would have had somebody who where interested in Saab providing reusable and scalable technology solutions. Excellent! I would have been satisfied and would have replaced our 9-3 SC from 2010 with a new 9-5 SC in approximately 6 months. But, keeping SWAN and bringing in Youngman and a American venture capitalism firm might create a mess with… Read more »
michaelb
Member
4 years 9 months ago
Remember the approve Antonov campaign here in SU. In hindsight, a mistake. As Patrik B is writing correctly, there is no way to lead a campaign for a deal or an ownership structure, where we do not know just the basics or essentials. Same point with regards to VM, he simply must be out of visibility within a new ownership structure. As opposed to PatrickB I would argue, he is a miserable entrepreneur, as you can see from the long term chart of Spyker / Swan shares. They have lost almost 100% over 10 years, no way to keep him… Read more »
rune
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Clarify. Had VA been approved in April, Saab would have been producing cars for almost this whole year (minus April). The aftermath of a potential future conviction of VA would be infinitely much easier to deal with than going a year without production!

Patrik B
Member
4 years 9 months ago

I know that VA haven’t been found guilt of the charges but he is facing some serious acquisitions, so;

Apparently VA didn’t have the $$$ needed to save Saab as he (might have) looted one of his banks to get some cash to inject into Saab via VM. So you are saying that we should have let VA into Saab in the beginning of the so that he could inject even more money taken from his banks? Is that how we want to build the company?

Not me…

scand
Member
4 years 9 months ago
Rune, I disagree. If VA had been allowed in, and if his source of cash was the 2 Baltic banks, Saab would still have been cash flow negative till the point that those banks folded , and its possible they would have folded that much earlier, if he took the kind of money out, that was needed to fund Saab. Therefore, once those banks went, so would have Saab. (judging by how quick convers sports initiatives went into administration) From saabs brand standpoint, better to be clean and broke than directly tainted from the alleged things he is accused of…..and… Read more »
Khrisdk
Member
4 years 9 months ago

There are a couple of If’s that are very dependent on the legal proceedings that has not yet begun.
Actually your entire first paragraph.

But you are correct, that IF the banks went and IF Saab was solely financed by them, yes, Saab would be gone

That leaves the mountain to climb when leaving out the IF’s

Which is probably correct

rune
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Back in April, Saab needed a little nudge to get production going again. With continued growth they would not have needed further financing. And presumably, it would had been easier to borrow money for short-term financing once they had demonstrated that they were heading towards profitability.

Everything beats a year of non-production.

aop
Member
4 years 9 months ago

I think you’re blinded by hate against VM and fail to acknowladge one simple thing : SAAB already had a loaded owner – car manufacturer for the past 20 years who could have made all what you’re writing here. They didn’t though. What would make you think that if GM didn’t, someone else will do it?
Let’s look at few other examples Skoda , Seat, Nissan etc They’ve all been treated the same way SAAB was treated by GM – Low end brands.
VM has the vision to make SAAB a great independent car company.,

Petteri
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Interesting.

At this moment I don’t have a problem promoting anything that saves Saab, even if it was only for a couple of months. In October, not knowing every little detail of the future of Saab didn’t affect my choice of vehicle, and it wouldn’t do it now either.

But I guess it’s OK to think different. ๐Ÿ™‚

Patrik B
Member
4 years 9 months ago

It is all about trust. The 1ยฝ year old 9-3 we are driving will have a steady supply of spare parts in the future. The 9-5 have been produced in limited series and any spare parts might have limited supply and could probably be very expensive.

And if I make the judgment that I don’t trust the new owners – then I can’t take the families money to buy a new car for โ‚ฌ40 000/$50 000 that might run out of spare parts. Then we will stick with the 9-3.

Turboladdade
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Wow… we’ve really occupied their Facebook — I keep clicking “show older posts” and all I see is SAAB SAAB SAAB. Grassroots is a thing of beauty.

skwdenyer
Member
4 years 9 months ago

I really don’t see what is so wonderful about telling the world that you support something when you don’t know what it is! We’re apparently asking for GM to ‘approve’ something, but what? It is a bit silly, and doesn’t, in all honesty, seem to do credit to the Saab enthusiasts.

Turboladdade
Member
4 years 9 months ago

We have a pretty good idea of what it is. You can find out here: http://goo.gl/7ENQf

Why would you take the side AGAINST saving a company with a 60+ year heritage and thousands of employees, and millions of passionate customers?

ryanonsrc
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Some people just like to argue just for the sake of arguing ๐Ÿ™‚

And yes, all of us that have been keeping close eyes on the situation have a *very* good idea the type of agreement that is being proposed. So yes, keep up the positive GM Facebook posts!

skwdenyer
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Not just trying to argue, no, and Jeff has kindly replied to my earlier comment on the same topic. My concern, for the record, is that if if the Saab fans seem like idiots for supporting something they don’t even know about, their usefulness and credibility is diminished.

JMart007
Member
4 years 9 months ago

What I don’t understand is there has been very little media coverage about Saab enthusiasts “occupying” the GM Facebook page. Does this mean nothing to the rest of the world? I’m amazed that any social community can go on this long for a cause. I’m even more amazed by the lack of media attention this is getting.

Bouwe
Member
4 years 9 months ago
Showed my good will on the GM Facebook page. If there’s a long line of only Saab related requests, of course it does something. Logically, GM says no to a 100% ownership of one party, while their demands are about 20%. Now there’s a new combination possible: the Saab management knows that if they propose a ridiculous deal (or: very unlikely to succeed) they have made an instant grave. So my guess is that they create the most unlikely situation in their powers for GM to say no. Fingers crossed then.. would the American investing party from NY (as I… Read more »
Baver
Member
4 years 9 months ago

May not to hurt to request support on Buick’s and Cadillac’s page as well…

Baver
Member
4 years 9 months ago

FWIW, Cadillac seems to delete all messages.

Aero1
Member
4 years 9 months ago
Wow! Some of you sure have taken a 180 degree turn around on supporting who saves SAAB! If you have the money then make an offer! it’s not up to us to decide what is right for SAAB and there is a whole lot more riding on this deal than a few hundred opinions! 1000’s of jobs are on the line, possibly a few more businesses will also fail if SAAB does. Jeff and anyone else doesn’t need to divulge information he or they hold in confidence, for you to decide if 60 plus years of a company or the… Read more »
Baver
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Let’s go!

Baver
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Can we start calling GM corporate offices as well on Monday?
GM Corporate Phone Number: 1-313-556-5000 (from Google, cannot find one on their website)

Baver
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Phone number does work, just checked.

Red J
Member
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t think that this is a good idea.

aop
Member
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, maybe polite emails withe predefined subject line such as “GM: Please Approve Saabโ€™s Deal” would be a better ideea. It’s important to keep one same subject line so they can filter it out , and be able to do their real work too. We don’t want to block anything here.

Red J
Member
4 years 9 months ago
My view on that is quite clear. II will not post anything on GM Facebook site for only one reason, and this is that I don’t have a fb-account because I don’t trust fb, otherwise I would politely ask GM to approve this deal. I don’t know that much about this deal, and I can’t tell if this is the best deal for Saab, so I have to trust Jeff, knowing that this deal and bankruptcy are the only to possibilities for Saab. So if you think that Saab has to die with dignity, whatever that means, stay in the… Read more »
skwdenyer
Member
4 years 9 months ago
I’ve now posted upon the wall. In case anyone is even remotely interested, this is mine: To those at GM, first, thank you for keeping the Saab flame alive for so many years, for investing in such splendid facilities in Sweden, for employing so many talented Swedish engineers, for permitting a post-GM Saab to have a chance with Spyker. As you’ve learned, as so many of us have learned, involvement with Saab is seldom simple or straightforward, but it is the community around it which makes it so much more than a simple brand. I don’t know enough about ‘the… Read more »
bpsorrel
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Very well written!

aop
Member
4 years 9 months ago

This is very nice!

scand
Member
4 years 9 months ago

That is beautifully written. People should ” like” that comment

skwdenyer
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Sadly nobody agrees with you; they all ‘like’ the one-liners accompanied by pretty pictures ๐Ÿ™‚

S@@B Krazy
Member
4 years 9 months ago

“Superb” !!!
What so many of us would have loved to have written.
+ 1

jond
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Very eloquent! I hope that someone reads it (and the other posts) and that they don’t just filter out anything to do with Saab.

Tilley
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Who is Jack Smith and why is he responding to many facebook comments in a seemingly negative tone?

BTW, I don’t know anything about how to use facebook. What is the next best way to do this?

Snowshoe
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Facebook is simple, You can create an account in a few minutes. You don’t have to publish much more about yourself there than you do here, You should put in a photo or any other avatar to make it more credible though. If nothing else I can tell you that it is a nice sight to see all these saab photos on the GM page.

Snowshoe
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry for the slightly stupid answer, since you have seen the comments you have obviously seen the page.

Tilley
Member
4 years 9 months ago

There’s no such thing as a stupid answer, only stupid questions….or did I get that backwards ๐Ÿ˜‰

Thanks, I may sign up for this facebook thing just to get my 2 cents in to GM.

hipchecker
Member
4 years 9 months ago
This may be very naive of me to say (and overly optimistic), but if all it took to buy Saab was someone who has the cash and who is not chinese, why aren’t more people interested? The price was 130 million or something, right? Is that all, no other money to front, no past bills? There are a LOT of companies sitting on a LOT of cash out there, especially in America where they keep it oversees to sidestep paying taxes. It’s a great investment, an even better PR story, you have solid orders from the Chinese, wonderful future products… Read more »
Keith
Member
4 years 9 months ago
I’d like the to think it is possible to be a Saab enthusiast, and still have a real discussion about business. Saab (autos) has lost money for decades. GM lost over a billion. While many will point out that GM didn’t “get” Saab (which is really true), prior to that under partial and total Swedish ownership that perhaps did “get” Saab, it lost money then too. Under small company Spyker, Saab ran out of money in a year. It is difficult to call Saab an investment in the classic sense. But there is something magical about Saab, and that product… Read more »
Iiari
Member
4 years 9 months ago
Hipchecker, Keith’s answer gets to the main points, although I really don’t believe GM lost as much as they say (various accounting tricks, like apparently putting the failed Cadillac BLS on Saab’s books, for example). As I’ve pointed out many times, the reason why some wealthy non-Chinese company or individual doesn’t pony-up the money to buy a clearly discounted Saab isn’t the purchase price (a rounding error amount for many, even many celebrities), but the amount of money needed to invest to build back up the dealer network and design the future, well, everything (9-3, 9-4, 9-5). That number, plus… Read more »
hipchecker
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Geez, I was just trying to get a discussion going. No need to insult. ๐Ÿ™

nordican
Member
4 years 9 months ago

Interesting; soon we will know if GM is our ‘friend or foe’ …,
and if some people will ever buy a GM product again in the future..

Btw; would Bombardier still be interested in Saab..?
http://www.bombardier.com/
Probably not, but would be great in a ‘perfect world’…

aop
Member
4 years 9 months ago

If this works, it sounds huge to me

djfk
Member
4 years 9 months ago

The first international bank that comes to mind, because of their previous involvement in Saab, is… Deutsche Bank!

aop
Member
4 years 9 months ago

There were some rumours about DB in the early phase of the deal back in June-July if i remember correctly.

hughw
Member
4 years 9 months ago
I’ve got to say that in this case, I’m a little cynical about any activism on the part of the Saab community. It’s not going to affect the deal in any way. Both polite and nasty posts on the Facebook site or in letters to GM will be ignored. This is not something that can shame GM in the public’s mind; Saab is already dead. And to think that GM will ditch a deal because someone insults them is poppycock. GM will, or will not make a deal, purely on the basis of their own interests however they perceive them.… Read more »
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