City of Trollhättan has placed a bid!
January 22, 2012 in News
www.svt.se interview the mayor of Trollhättan. City of Trollhättan HAS put in a bid for the complete museum.
Just hope that they have written a number high enough on the bid.
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So what if the lawyers say they have a higher bid on the complete collection than the bid from City of Trollhättan.
Any suggestions?
Chicago Swede said on January 22, 2012
Can we make donations to the city specifically for the museum? It would be so wonderful if the city would be able to secure it!!!
ReinO said on January 23, 2012
I’m in! If it would be possible that is..
MikeSf said on January 23, 2012
Good idea!
I would make a donation as well.
Eric said on January 22, 2012
Oh Wow!
This would be fantastic if the City of Trollhattan could save the Saab Museum.
I wish them luck!
EuroDriver said on January 22, 2012
+1!
Wim Maes said on January 22, 2012
Good news for the Museum !!! Lets hope!!
Christof Rytz said on January 22, 2012
Would like to make a donation!
Swizzy said on January 22, 2012
Me too
! Who is collecting?
dezzer said on January 22, 2012
count me in for a donation……….
vladarh said on January 22, 2012
+1
bpsorrel said on January 22, 2012
Me too! This is great news!
xlx said on January 22, 2012
yes, but imho it’s too late, the bids are already done …
lilla said on January 22, 2012
Of course I want!
mnztr said on January 22, 2012
I can’t believe the Swedish tourism agency cannot find a few $$ to help with this bid. I find it so amazing the Swedish govt invests billions of $$ in assisting SAAB AB to build and market weapons and it cannot find a 1 B to save a car maker with a world class product and so many possibilities…
Eric said on January 22, 2012
+ infinity.
Angelo V. said on January 22, 2012
A tourist destination, even in the Winter! I hope this works out.
Angelo V. said on January 22, 2012
I’m surprised General Motors didn’t use some of the billions they heisted from U.S. taxpayers to place a bid—-so they could send these cars to the crusher and eliminate Saab further. General Morons. Government Moochers.
KoGa said on January 22, 2012
Don’t give them ideas…
Angelo V. said on January 22, 2012
Good point.
OliverH said on January 22, 2012
I don’t like a heritage payed by GM.
aZuL2001 said on January 22, 2012
You’ve got a twisted way of thinking.
I like it
KoGa said on January 22, 2012
Great news! Now we can show our support for the city if they want to break the collection apart…
OliverH said on January 22, 2012
We’re planning to visit Sweden in 2013. If it’s the case and the museum is open we’ll visit it. How about a club/ foundation to support the buyer?
Red J said on January 22, 2012
Just my thought.
If the City of Trollhättanis the one, they should create a Friends of the Saab Museum Club/Foundation whatever is best in Sweden, so people can make donations, or pay a yearly fee. I think there are some of us that would spend some Dollars/euros/Kronor to keep the Museum alive.
OliverH said on January 22, 2012
Yepp.
100-200 Euros as a support member is possible for every Saab freak.
Swizzy said on January 22, 2012
Could work well…and some extra donations on top…i would be in
TimR said on January 22, 2012
We’ve already tried it, not enough people wanted to join in…
Swizzy said on January 22, 2012
Shouldn’t we try it again? The goal is to support the City of Trollhättan!
OliverH said on January 22, 2012
But this was based on financing the museum alone. I meant as a co financier. It can start small, can grow. It’s goal is to help the party buying the assets of the museum.
Swizzy said on January 22, 2012
Exactly my thoughts!
Red J said on January 22, 2012
Tim,
this time is only meant to help the city of THN to finance the Museum, and not to take care of all the costs.
If the city of THN doesn’t have to fin ace the museum only by the entrance fee,, this could be lower and attract more visitors.
bpsorrel said on January 22, 2012
Couldn’t agree more! We HAVE to save the cars!
Wayner said on January 22, 2012
I totally agree with that, I may not make it to the Museum any time soon but I’d still pay for a membership or to help in any way possible.
Arne Visser said on January 22, 2012
I agree fully. But also the museum is very important for a ( potential )buyer of SAAB.
Here memories are made, as for e.g. I got the pleasure of driving a Viggen convertible just outside of the museum. What an expectede treat and moreover, what a trust ! ( I drove a BMW back then…sorry)
My kids saw the diverse movies on SAAB and since then no brand is cooler then SAAB!
On the membership fee, if it is doen through all the SAAB clubs, it should for sure no loss center to the Trolháttan community)
Swade said on January 22, 2012
RedJ – I’ll be visiting another brand’s motoring museum next week and they have just such a scheme. It’s pretty expensive, but it works, and the City (if successful) would be wise to copy the arrangement. Museums and collections all around the world do similar things.
Wim Maes said on January 22, 2012
I hope it will re open this summer already…. I go to Helsinki… and be sure I will be driving my 900 to Trolhattan to check it out!
DUTCH900C said on January 22, 2012
What a fantastic news!!
Oskar Malmgren said on January 22, 2012
Really great news that the municipality shows commitment for the museum! I have looked at the SVT-interview, there also one of the lawyers participated, and it is good to known that even they would think it be great if the museum survided intact. Let us hope that the bid is high enough.
Troels, Denmark said on January 22, 2012
I do HOPE the bid from Trollhättan is high enough. Unfortunately it is easy to imagine that the receivers will get more money from selling each car for the highest individual bid – which they will do if that might be the case …
Red J said on January 22, 2012
Troels,
I don’t think that every single car has received an individual bid.
KoGa said on January 22, 2012
True but I’m sure many cars did, and the sum may be higher with any bids for the complete collection.
Troels, Denmark said on January 22, 2012
Exactly what I meant ! But off course I do HOPE for a solution with all cars as a unity…
bpsorrel said on January 22, 2012
Yes, but it would certainly be easier to sell it in one go to the City. If you evaluate the time taken to sort out all the individual sales and processes, it may not be so far removed in cost…. just a thought if the receivers secretly would like to sell the cars to the City…
Mailr said on January 22, 2012
Swedish law says that the administrator is not required to take the highest bid, contrary to what they said on the press conference they are allowed to consider employment possibilities. “… does not prevent the trustee for the settlement of the estate takes into account what is likely to promote long-term employment, if it can be done without the creditors’ rights significantly diminished.” If you push it, I would say if the administrators take the highest bid that promise to continue to run the museum regardless of other bids (bar exceptional ones), they are in the clear. (But if they get enough money that way is another issue…)
Also note, the administrators said that they reserve the right to abort the sale at any time (as a precaution, I guess).
KoGa said on January 22, 2012
“So what if the lawyers say they have a higher bid on the complete collection than the bid from City of Trollhättan.”
I would be surprised, I’m more afraid of the receivers wanting to break apart the collection because they can sell individual cars easier. However if someone places a higher bid, I’d start a donation for the City to raise it’s bid.
Thieuke said on January 22, 2012
I hope they get it so it can stay there. Would be a nice excuse to go there….
terry9000k said on January 22, 2012
Trued
FOR THE SAKE OF KEEP REPEATING MYSELF, AS YOU APPEAR TO HAVE SOME CONTACT WITH THEM, ASK THEM TO SET UP A PAYPAL ACCOUNT FOR DONATIONS……
Then list is here;
I am sure the administrators will look at a ‘new’ higher bid from them, if the extra money is there..
Trued said on January 22, 2012
I will call them tomorrow and put it “bluntly”, if how much is needed to match the highest bidder. Then I will come back here.
terry9000k said on January 22, 2012
It’s ‘free’ money after all.
For the love of ‘Saab’, that’s all most people on here want….
Anyway, when ‘we visit the Saab factory in the Future’, we will want to see both. won’t we!!.
Hans H said on January 22, 2012
Go, Trollhättan, Go !
I promise I’ll come visiting again.
OliverH said on January 22, 2012
Despite the struggles THN can see in future it’s step owns my full respect.
RobinM said on January 22, 2012
I’d happily retract the bid I put on a car if it will help.
My plan was to donate it to the “new” museum if it was broken up.
bender said on January 22, 2012
That’s very thoughtful. I didn’t place a bid because I can’t, but my thoughts were that if I did it would be for that same reason; to donate it to a new Museum.
akis96 said on January 22, 2012
I just hope that the city of Trollhättan can aquire the complete museum. I just hope that this bid is higher then all the combined bids for the single cars. I just hope things work out – at least regarding OUR Saab Museum! Griffin Up!
Olav said on January 22, 2012
+1, akis96! I think this will work out to the best for Trollhättan. I am not sure that only money talks here; there are obvious both will and a wish to keep the museum intact from all parties involved. Besides, I guess there are not many bidders for the whole museum (if any except Trollhättan) so my guess is that this will be a good landing among all other crash landings lately.
Cheers from Norway
-Olav-
Always on the longest road home when out there with my SAAB. Always!
PatrikH said on January 22, 2012
I think it would be downright wrong to sell any individual car to anyone. The museum must be kept intact in its entirety every thing else is almost criminal.
Tilley said on January 22, 2012
Let’s hope it’s successful. This would be the beginning of the way things ‘should’ turn out!
ANDREW DUNNE said on January 22, 2012
this would be a way Foward for saab to keep it in trollhattan also Could Prduction of cars start agian if it happens ?
aZuL2001 said on January 22, 2012
Good to read they have made up their mind and see the value of the “asset”.
Now they can explore the possibilities of global community funding and a “Friends of Saab(museum)” membership.
If they need help to spar on a way to make that work…
saabfanatic said on January 22, 2012
What about the mesuem building, who owns the building itself at the moment?
OliverH said on January 23, 2012
What i understand it’s THN/ Innovatum.
SaabMan said on January 22, 2012
I was wondering if the lawyers could negotiate with the bidders a little. For example, to maximize returns, could they award the majority of the museum to Trollhatten (incl. esp. the Ursaab), but sell some of the less essential cars that received bids to others. Over time the cars lost in the bidding could be replaced through donations, later acquisitions, etc. I have also wondered if Saab AB would be bidding, since the vast majority of the cars were developed and built by them. Whatever happens to Saab Cars, these vehicles are all part of Saab AB’s heritage. Surely they know that and would want to preserve it.
Aero1 said on January 23, 2012
Dear Receivers of the SAAB Estate,
Please keep the cars together, as there is more at stake than money, SAAB is part of Trollhattens History. For over 60 years SAAB has stood for as a symbol of that great city called Trollhatten, keeping the cars together and in Trollhatten will not only give the potential buyer of SAAB a place to put new cars in the collection, but can be a testament to the people of Trollhatten, as well as the 3000 plus individuals who made SAAB what it is and what it stands for: Unity!
RobinM said on January 23, 2012
When you write this I think of DAF cars from Holland. They are gone now but they have a fantastic DAF Museum which is based in Eindhoven, the place where the main factory was.
Ilsa said on January 23, 2012
I’d be happy to pay a yearly membership fee for the museum. I agree it’s important to preserve the heritage of the marque.
Hans H said on January 23, 2012
That was a good idea. I’d also be a member!
kochje said on January 23, 2012
Me too; for example becoming a member of the “friends of the Saab museum” at a given yearly fee; there is one free entrance card per year available or for example a reduction on the entrance fee.
Simply9-5 said on January 23, 2012
“The receiver will not reveal what it is like inviting, and the sums they are about. However, they regret that they will not take into account if the offeror intends to operate the museum on.
- They are not our task to preserve the museum. We are unfortunately not a culture of enforcement, says Pouteaux.
- It would be funny if it were so, but our task is to make it to the assets of the estate.”
How would that be funny I wonder.
http://ttela.se/ekonomi/saab/1.1503314-over-500-bud-pa-saab-museet
Trued said on January 23, 2012
Had an early morning talk with one of the lawyers Bo-Stefan Jarle who seams to be the guy responsible for the museum sale.
He was reluctant to talk about the museum sale. They are now evaluating the bids.
I did tell him that people has placed bids, done that just in order to save the Saab cars in Trollhättan. I asked him for a tentative number of the difference between the Trollhättan City bid and the highest bid (one bid for all or the combined singular bids) so WE the Saab community would know how much we would have collectively to put on the table to save the museum in Trollhättan.
I got no response on that!
KoGa said on January 23, 2012
I believe he’s not really in liberty to discuss the bids. Still he could have given some answer like “it’s close”, “not even near”, etc. Now I’m thinkg to email him to find out if they still accept bids so I can send mine