ovloV might want to take over parts of Saab.

ovloV Information director tells Www.di.se that they follow closely what happens with Saab and that they have ongoing discussions with the bankruptcy lawyers.
They are interested in 14000 machines, tooling and test equipment.
Let’s hope that the lawyers stick to their initial ideas of selling Saab as ONE entity to ONE buyer who wants to build complete cars in Trollhättan.

ovloV= the other car maker in Göteborg/Gothenburg, it’s a habit I have never to write the arch rivals name in printing.

Saabim
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4 years 7 months ago

The administrators promises might be fullfilled. It means to sell in complete.

Aero1
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4 years 7 months ago
Bravada from GMI
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4 years 7 months ago

Is it me, or is this post overly emotional? Can we stick to the old principle of having information above and emotion below the comments line?

richard
Member
4 years 7 months ago

+1 agree with Bravada.
“Butcher” belongs on the front page of tabloids. Volvo are simply expressing an interest in acquiring equipment from Saab if no buyer can be found. I also don’t see them as an “arch rival” like this is some kind of Saturday morning cartoon. A competitor, yes.

And let’s certainly hope we never see any SU editors go berserk. 😉

Saabissimo
Member
4 years 7 months ago
I very much agree with Bravada. What Volvo have said is that IF Saab is sold in pieces, not as a whole, then they would be interested in picking up pieces that would be useful for their business. Which only makes sense if you are the only local corporation in the same line of business. If someone “butchers” Saab it will be the receivers, not the chosen buyers. And that butchery will be based on bankruptcy law, not on malice. So yes, I agree with Bravada. I believe that this headline is unnecessarily emotional and does not really reflect the… Read more »
till72
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4 years 7 months ago

agree

David-SAAB
Member
4 years 7 months ago
Let’s hope the administrators do stick to their numerous claims of selling Saab as a whole. I can really only hope the right bid is presented to do this. Now to share a tale: I was just filling the tank of my 2006 9-3 when a man approached me and asked what I thought of my car. I stated that I loved it and continued to say how economical yet fun to drive it is. He then stated that he was in the market to purchase a new car and the 9-3 was on his list, however since the bankruptcy… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

+1

hogge
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Volvo and Saab should NOT be rivals.
Volvo= Nooring cars for family people in houses with white picket fences
Saab= Sporty engineers cars for the individual

I’d say that Volvo compete with Buick, while Saab should compete with Subaru.

OliverH
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4 years 7 months ago

-1
Disagree. Volvo showed with the R models that they can be deliver sporty models.
Saab is definetly not a Subaru rival. Have you ever sit in one? Have you seen and feel he haptic? Here in Switzerland a Subaru is a farmers car, a chep car with AWD. The Impreza is the car with a lot of hp for the youngsters.

Dan P
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4 years 7 months ago

If anything the C30 T5 is everything a small Saab should have been, about 8 years ago. Volvo today is not what it was 10-15 years ago. It’s adapted.

They shouldn’t be rivals because in these times, it’s better for such close neighbours to be partners. I’d be happy for Volvo/Geely to own or part-own Saab, even run the two in the same showrooms. It might not work now, though – the markets are too close.

Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

Pacey: The C30—-it’s a template for what Saab needs to do if they ever start producing again. I’d add two doors—-but keep it basic and fun. Keep it inexpensive. Keep it simple.

Dan P
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I agree. Purely in terms of product, Saab needed a C30, an A5/S5 (which to me is the closest thing out there to a Saab coupe), and the 9-4X years ago.

What platform could they have built a 9-2 on, 5 years or so ago? Would it have been good enough?

hogge
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4 years 7 months ago
Subaru is the brand which tops all the reliability tests, it’s the brand with the most pleased owners and yes: Subarus are for youngsters and Subaru has a rally heritage. They’re everything Saab should be, apart from the fact that Saabs should have new and interresting tech and scandinavian design. Sure, Volvo can make sporty cars. But Volvo should have a very different kind of sportyness than Saab. I can’t describe this any better than asking you to compare the Volvo 242 GT with the Saab 900 Turbo. The 242 was square, had chrome, rear wheel drive and rims which… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

I want Saab to have a broad product line—-not be pigeonholed into all XWD, all over 35K, etc. They need to expand if they survive this nightmare. If they don’t expand (particularly downmarket a bit), the next nightmare will happen in a few years.

David-SAAB
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4 years 7 months ago

Maybe in your market Hogge but not in Australia or Europe for that matter.

sandborg
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4 years 7 months ago

More Audi than Subaru I think Sir.

DMR
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4 years 7 months ago

Saab doesn’t stand a chance against Audi. Audi competes with BMW. Saab’s interior quality is many grades below.
Saab’s competitor has always been Subaru until Saab lost its way and Subaru ate our lunch. I would bet that most Subaru owners in the US would have owned a Saab in the past.

Troels, Denmark
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4 years 7 months ago

I find Saab very much more attractive then Audi: Much more personality, much better design – also interior. You might be right that the plast-quality in the Audi are better, but to many people are neglecting that the overall-shape and many details are better in Saab – and again ; more original. Personally I absolutely don’t like the thin chrome- edges around air-intakes and other details in Audi and VW – Really looks like a cheap way to appear exclusive..

Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago
DMR: The fact is, Saab pricing has been competing with Audi and BMW. If Saab produces cars again, this has to stop. They need to price their cars in the VW/Subaru range if they are to have any chance of survival. I won’t even comment on interior materials or argue about whether Saabs are “as good” as BMW or Audi. It really doesn’t matter. The PERCEPTION is that Saab is not on the level of BMW or Audi—yet their cars were going for over 50K in some cases in 2011. It didn’t work. It won’t work. They need to do… Read more »
RS
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4 years 7 months ago

Angelo, please let go of the 50k mantra (it’s not that much money nowadays). The NG 9-5 was a 38k USD car, BUT with a 300 hp engine, AWD and lot of options the Aero became that expensive. Just like a equivalent 300 hp Quattro costs roughly 60k. A 420 hp S6 starts at 76k!
There are a lot of people buying even those.

Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

50K for a premium Saab with all the bells and whistles (including sunroof) and their most powerful engine—-is fine. I am only saying that they need to also offer some cars for half that cost—–to build a customer base.

RS
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4 years 7 months ago
Yes of course they do, but not having a 9-2 for 20k doesn’t make a 9-5 V6 Aero any more expensive. The base 9-3 came pretty close to $25k in the U.S. already. We have paid over 50k USD (40k eur) for a 9-3 almost ten years ago and it’s been worth every darn penny. I would have considered a 65k USD 9-5 SC Vector a bargain. I will not buy a KIA or an Audi or a Subaru because they are not as good as a Saab on long daily commutes. A NG 9-5 (what a shame the V6… Read more »
turbofever
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4 years 7 months ago

In Sweden Subaru is very small, not something you compare Saab with. Saabseats are so much better than the Audi, Audiseats are like woddenbenches if you ask me. A friend have always driven Saab and loved it, but now the copany he workes for forced him to drive Audi. His back is now hurting and he really misses the worlds finest seats that you find in a Saab.

hogge
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4 years 7 months ago

But Subaru is growing very fast. They are indeed eating Saabs bread. Subaru have taken Saabs old position as the practical, individual, youthful engineers car.
Saab really need to drop their premium aspirations and go for what they used to stand for.

Dreadnought
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4 years 7 months ago

Yes, what is with those Audi seats, anyway? The A6 are pretty nice, but the A4 seats are hard as a rock, and the regular seats have no bolstering. The MB-Tex. aka vinyl, seats in Mercedes feel better than the leather Audi A4 seats.

Aero1
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4 years 7 months ago

My one Aero is far more attractive than an Audi in every aspect.

Dreadnought
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4 years 7 months ago
I hate it when people say that Suburu is a Saab competitor, or the natural place for Saab owners to “land”, or whatever. It’s nonsense, and it mostly comes from those who love to denigrate the brand, like the Hyundai-driving crowd at TTAC. Sit in a Suburu sometime. There is an aura of cheap you don’t get from a Saab. It is not an aspirational brand. Saab still is (or was). Look at the British mags, or even the American mags. They don’t talk about Saab as a Suburu competitor, but BMW, Audi, Volvo, Infiniti, etc., etc. My sister and… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago
Dread: I’m not trying to denigrate the brand, I’m trying to save it. Magazines often do comparisions based on price. Saab was priced in the same category as BMW, Audi and the others you mentioned. They’re not in that price category anymore…because for the time being at least, they are bankrupt and out of business. So the idea is to try something different in positioning the brand. Yes, the brand has an image of being more upscale. So if you come in with a model or two at a lower pricepoint, you get a lot of interest from value seekers.… Read more »
Saabissimo
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4 years 7 months ago

This discussion about positioning is very market-dependent and there will never be a global position that everyone here is happy with. The benchmarks are completely different between Saab’s main markets.

Troels, Denmark
Member
4 years 7 months ago

In my optic the closest rival to Saab is Alfa Romeo… – more or less the only two person-car-brands that are keeping an integrity – or soul if you like…
Volvo is much more conservative with safety as almost the only “personal” value – imo. For careful people- family’s or people with business suits an tie ..

Alberto
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4 years 7 months ago

Oh man…the sky is full of vultures. GM, ovloV all up to loose all the saab customers if they go ahead and kill saab. GM already made clear to the car industry customers that if you buy one of the cars from their brands, one day you might find yourself with Gm killing the brand (..Opel will be next?). Now olvoV trying to have me one day changing my saab in anything but not an olvoV?

Carl Andersson
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4 years 7 months ago
It’s not the hardware that made the Saab-plant the most efficient Premium Plant in Europe. (Harbour Report). It’s the people working there. Though the plant is quite modern and up do date it’s not much that can be recycled in Gothenburg. And why are the Loyers so anxious to sell the company in parts? Somebody said that it should be easier? Sounds quite stupid: (Comparison) It’s easier to sell the whole estate after my dead grandma/grandpa to one buyer insted of having an auction. “How much for this cup? 12 spoons. Give me a bid!” Sounds like the Loyers just… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

Agreed.

hans h
Member
4 years 7 months ago

My interpretation is that if everything falls apart, ovloV will be there.
But I also think that ovloV knows that they need the competition.

MitchbSC
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4 years 7 months ago

And where will ovloV get its engineers if there is no Saab? 🙂

hans h
Member
4 years 7 months ago

To clarify:
I have experience from the consulting business (actually Semcon, which is weirdly involved in this). And I have seen how much ovloV and Saab benefit from each other. By using the same personnel, consultants and suppliers among other things. Not necessarily at the same time though. 🙂
The same thing happens between truck producers Scania and Volvo Trucks.
And between Sony Ericsson and Nokia.

A Saab producing cars, makes ovloV into better cars. And vice versa.

RS
Member
4 years 7 months ago
A few years ago I was at the gas pump and a guy next to me asked: Do they still use Fiat diesels in Saabs? I said yes, in the newer 9-3’s and I hear they are great, but have no complaints about what I have either, which I believe is a Saab refined GM/Opel engine. Then I asked him: Do they still use the Mondeo underpinning in Volvo’s? I never got an answer… I personally would have no problem with Geely owning Saab if production could continue and they’d let THN operate as an independent company. The SAAB/Volvo combo… Read more »
Alberto
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4 years 7 months ago

Fiat diesel engines technology is excellent. I’m an italian still very critic with Fiat when they come up with questionable cars or specific techs. But those engines are excellentan with excellent injection systems, as several engineers friends of mine and working or who have worked there explained to me.
Saab and Volvo together? Looks like Volvo is either pushing to have a share of the dead body rather than investing in the rise of the Phoenix….

hilmar
Member
4 years 7 months ago

+1.

Angelo V.
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Would Volvo just fold Saab into Volvo and call all of the cars Volvo? Or would there still be Saabs for sale?

RS
Member
4 years 7 months ago
If they would be smart they’d keep the brands fundamentally different like they used to be. Volvo never had a descent small car for instance. All the Dutch made stuff had nothing to do with the real thing (240) and to be honest were quite awful. A 92 hatch on the other hand would fit Saab like a glove… Hello WRC. A really BIG luxury car should be a Volvo not a Saab ‘9-7’. The same with the big SUV market. The modern 9000 CC powered by a 4.2 twin-turbo and eXWD could put Saab back in to it’s glory… Read more »
ivo 71
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4 years 7 months ago

As to the ‘Dutch-made stuff’: Americans probably never have seen one but there used to be at least one model very much worth anyone’s while: the Volvo 480. It looked great and, particularly with the turbo engine, performed quite nicely for the period. In fact, the Volvo C30 is a tribute to the 480 and loosely designed around its lines. Just google the 480 and you’ll see what I mean.

Ivo

belgian_roadster from Eupen, DG
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Maybe that’s the reason why ever deal colapsed!
ovloV knows important people in SwedGov and SwedGov think 1 swedish carmaker is enough!
So ovloV is taking all the best out of Saab, tools, machinerie, engineers, staff etc. swedish industrie is saved and poeple keep their jobs but in another car company.
Let’s hope I’m on the wrong way!
Griffin Up from snowing Belgium

Troels, Denmark
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I am fearing that you could very well be right … A lot indicates close relations between Volvo and SweGov. … 🙁

baas900i
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I’m still waiting for Brightwell Holdings imminent statement on retaining skilled engineers…. facts, figures and a little luck will result in a successful bid for Saab and its survival will depend on joe public buying the product…

Olav
Member
4 years 7 months ago

A google trans from the article:

“We, like many other automakers are looking at everything, and there are parts that we might be interested in,” said Olle Axelsson, communications director at Volvo Cars to di.se.

He describes, however, Volvo’s position as tentative.
———————————————————————-

Well, I can fully understand that carmakers out there would be interested in tools from the modern SAAB factory if this is the final end for SAAB. But as we all know SAAB will be back 🙂

TurboLamko
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4 years 7 months ago

+1 on the last sentence 😀

OH
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4 years 7 months ago
saabserb
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4 years 7 months ago
The only thing GM/BAIC can prevent is continuation of the current 9-3 production. Of course they are not able to limit or affect SAAB sale process. I think that administrators requirement/question is pretty valid: If Youngman came with a pretty low offer, which they justified with continuation of SAAB existence + 9-3 production which will occupy more then 1000 people then the administrators just asked “are you 100% sure that you can continue producing 9-3”. Simple as that, no hidden agenda. Youngman offer is good, gives SAAB lifeline, but I think SAAB deserves better and more secure offer. There are… Read more »
Carl Andersson
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4 years 7 months ago

Bullsh*t: BAIC has nothing to do with the “current” Saab 9 3. They bought the IP:s for the model produced in 2005!!!! I don’t think GM has anything to do with the current 9 3 either. If they allowed CHINESE BAIC to buy the 2005 model of the 9 3 they must regard the whole platform as obsolete and not worth fighting for.

Will
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I don’t understand how this BAIC sale worked. Everyone talks about how the sale only included the pre-2005 technology, but the BAIC model is quite obviously fashioned on the current 9-3…

See:
Pictures, pictures and pictures.

Can anyone explain this to me?

TurboLamko
Member
4 years 7 months ago

It is just rumours!!!

Swedish media are unfortunentely like this to only spread rumours and that’s it!

saabserb
Member
4 years 7 months ago
I bet no one here knows what is true. Is anyone 100% sure that 9-3 production doesn’t require any license from either GM or BAIC? No matter how stupid the “BAIC owning 9-3 IPs” may sound,even for me, we don’t know what is in the contracts. If BAIC has even a word that could build up a case for court they will use it just to attack the potential competitors. I would LOOOOVE that these are just rumors, and that is why Youngman needs to prove that they are 100% sure they could build 9-3 and could get OK from… Read more »
Dreadnought
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4 years 7 months ago
I’ve been saying for years that the sale of Saab tooling for the Saab 9-3 was a big mistake, and really cut Saab’s legs out from underneath them, by making it impossible for the company to be sold to any Chinese interest. And now it looks as though it may interfere with more than that. And the 9-3 that was sold to BAIC is basically the same 9-3 sold now as a 2011 Saab 9-3. Same chassis. For some reason a lot of people don’t seem to know this. Will: There is really not much difference between the 2005 9-3… Read more »
100%Saab
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4 years 7 months ago

I would say in Sweden Volvo is the home team. And, since this “game” in being played in Sweden, who do you think the Swegov in routing for? Question is are the referees biased?

Just a thought.

HMAR
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Can’t we all just get along? I could never understand the bitterness towards Volvo and it’s owners… I myself enjoy both brands, does this make me a horrible person?

Lighten up a bit… we’re all on pins and needles on the future and direction of the company – I too would LOVE to see someone resume production of Saab, but we won’t know until that decision is made.

Let’s keep the emotions and negativity towards the “other” brand neutral — and stay focused on a common goal of keeping the discussions positive.

lundin
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Silly that Saab fans cant write Volvo and even more see them as the butcher for Saab.
Oh well, i guess that the nature of people. Coke not ispep, Microsoft not elppe, Saab not Ovlov, god not halla..and the flaming can continue until there is a real war.

If we can not acknowledge other brands and their strengths Saab will never succed.

gunteman
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Indeed.

Trued, I have the utmost respect for you, but this kind of language we don’t need. It’s childish.

/G

Angelo V.
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I guarantee, over at Coca-Cola, they’re calling Pepsi a lot worse than ispep—-same for the Pepsi folks toward Coke. Corporate rivalry is…corporate RIVALRY.

lundin
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4 years 7 months ago
For sure, but the question is, does it make sense to anyone (other than some ramblings in the top managment office) ? What i have learned (and this is my opinion) from working with different markets and people all over the worls is this: we are very much the same!! We like to say US people,and Sweden etc. But the thing is,we appreciate the same things. I am talking about normal people that go to work for a living,trying to raise children,getting an education etc. In the end of the day, it doesn’t make sense to mix corp value (other… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

I disagree—at least a little bit. Look at Ford vs. Chevy (particularly the pick-up trucks). The guys who drive these trucks are incredibly brand conscious—-the Chevy guys say FORD stands for “Fix or repair daily” and as far as what the Ford guys say about Chevy—–the moderators here would throw me off if I wrote that!

lundin
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4 years 7 months ago
Yes there will always be fundamentalist in all areas, including “brand religon”. My point is, that is brain-dead to be honest at least for us users (even though i understand that it sounds like i am the judge here) and it doesnt make any sense to people in general, so we shouldnt do it. Apparently there is superbowl final today. There will be thousands of people that goes “into a war” tonight. Meanwhile the rest of the people enjoy a game and hope the best team win.It is simple as that. Overall i think we agree, and i hope you… Read more »
Dan P
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4 years 7 months ago

It’s tribalism. It doesn’t make much sense to you and I, but to some it’s the most important thing in the world. I prefer Saab, l enjoy my car, and I want another one, but I don’t hate other brands – that would be childish.

rune
Member
4 years 7 months ago
I think it sticks a bit deeper than that, atleast for me. I keep referring back to my 1000 km stint in a V50 a year ago. That V50 felt ridiculous on the road. It was very nervous when there was a hint of ice on the road, and eventually unable to dig through the snow/slush. My 9000 OTOH had absolutely no problems on similar surfaces. (I had to park the V50 100m away from where I was picking up my 9000, so my 9000 had to drive on the same road where the V50 gave up) Marketing however will… Read more »
hans h
Member
4 years 7 months ago

To me, it is as simple as this;
Volvo is a really good car. Better than most, and I would prefer a Volvo over “ze germans” any day.

Saab is just even better than that. 🙂

Angelo V.
Member
4 years 7 months ago
My brother had a 1987 Volvo 740 that he loved. It was a solid, durable car, built like a tank. He had it for a long time and it served him well (aside from the air conditioning going out twice and costing a huge amount to fix). But he did have one issue: For part of the time he owned the car, he lived in Pennsylvania—-in an area that gets a fair amount of snow—-that car could not go in the snow, not even a little bit. He had previously driven a rear wheel drive Oldsmobile Cutlass that did just… Read more »
lundin
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4 years 7 months ago
Angelo, But you might have heard the story of all the newcomers to Saab that sat in a Viggen and lost focus on the steering wheel for a split second and went into the ditch, no ? We can continue like this forever, whics is THE point of everyone that complains about this topic. I mean this so called “ridiculous” V50 witch happens to be quite popular seems to have somthing going for it.Yes Saab in recent vehicles has better steering and vehicle dynamics. But ditch Volvo for the performance of a FWD V50 in the snow (was the traction… Read more »
rune
Member
4 years 7 months ago
The V50 I tried was a rental. Traction control seemed to work just fine. I am pretty sure I grasp the basics of driving in snow. My 9000 doesn’t have traction control and I delayed fixing its ABS for over a year. The V50 worked in snow and on ice (as per me driving it 1000 km on various road surfaces). It just did not work nearly as well as a Saab 9000, 9-3 or 9-5. The difference was night and day. Winter driving characteristics is hard to test given a five minute test drive in July. Equally hard in… Read more »
lundin
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4 years 7 months ago

Ok thanks for the reply Rune,

The truth is, in this case, i have to little experience of driving the 9k,9-3 or 9-5 in this head to head conditions so i believe you. Which indeed is a testament on the Saab FWD performance and samplings.

But lets keep it to this test. We can not extrapolate it much further and come to the conclusion that volvo is bad when it comes to design and building cars.That is my point.

mnztr
Member
4 years 7 months ago

So short sighted. Volvo has the opportunity to significantly increase their very marginal volumes by buying SAAB. The platforms will share very well, and although they occupy the same segment, They do appeal to different people. SAAB sportier, Volvo larger more comfort oriented.

hilmar
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4 years 7 months ago

+1 ! Just my thoughts. It would be a profit on both sides in every way. People should talk to each other and leave allegations.

Bravada from GMI
Member
4 years 7 months ago
Like, no? Volvo’s volumes might be marginal, but Saab’s, compared to them, are nonexistent. Not worth the trouble. Plus Volvo has gone overboard proving THEY are sportier, rather than safety-, comfort-, utility- or durability-oriented, even sacrificing the last bit of Volvoness in lieu of some Chinese-like pokemon-faced molten thingy in the form of the new S60/V60, whose interior makes any claims Saab was disadvantaged in that regard immediately obsolete… At any rate, Volvo and Saab are the closest natural competitors, their cohabitation wouldn’t really work, it would be a waste of money for Volvo unless they’ve downsized the Phoenix platform… Read more »
RS
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Quote: “But I believe the Phoenix platform was too heavy and expensive in the beginning to be interesting for Volvo.”

Do you actually know this or just speculate out loud?

Dreadnought
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I would say that Bravada from GMI has hit the nail on the head.

Saab is a natural competitor for Volvo, and always has been to the public at large, at least in the US,

Why would Volvo want Saab to survive? And offering dual lineups would make no sense,

RS
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I don’t think it would be a dual lineup if they’d stick to original brand philosophy. See my comment above.

Remember with 200.000 Saabs sold it could very profitable subdivision, if they have a shared and flexible platform to reduce new model costs.
Would Volvo sell any less with a successful Saab? It seems Saabers rather jump into German (hi-po) cars or go down market to something with a long warranty.

Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

I understand your question and I don’t know the answer—–but it’s weird—-Hyundai bought KIA and basically propped them up for a few years. KIA is now one of the fastest growing brands—-and Hyundai even divested in them quite a bit—–they now own less than half but at one point, they had controlling interest. In affect, Hyundai could have delivered the KO punch to KIA but instead, they kept them around. I guess maybe they’re making money by providing platforms and engines to KIA???? Wouldn’t GM still be making money providing platforms and Parts to Youngman-Lotus-Saab?

orion
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Volvo or not, prepare yourself for the worst scenario:bits and pieces. Happily my dealer is going on with SAAB. We can last for many years to come.

CSD_ChineseSaabDriver
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Why worry, the BH will take over anyway with their big money and GM relationship.

Or MM

Johan Wallander
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Let ut be positive! It´s very difficult to know what´s going to happen and there is a lot of speculations everywhere. Hopefully SAAB will be sold in one piece and I am still optimistic.

xelav
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Time for new info , people starting to get too personel and forgetting the real issue here.
Hopefully tomorrow mahindra ‘s bid? Have à good night everybody .btw I have à Saab and à Volvo . What makes me that?(and my wife a Hyundai ) Do i need mental help?

TurboLamko
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Stay positive and DO NOT give up

There is hope!!!!

saaburban
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Why did VM choose to collaborate with Brightwell and not Youngman after being forced out of Saab?
– Does VM know how to reach à deal with GM. Maybe GM fear the indians & chinese, so to prevent them fr.o.m. Buying Saab, Brightwell is the ‘spyker, koenigsegg’ ideal buyer. A safe-to-fail owner that prevents chinese aquier technology.

lundin
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4 years 7 months ago

That is one thought. My opinion is that no one will get the GM blessing, they will say no without getting the question..if it make any sense. And that VM has lost his credibility over at GM HQ (one can assume that would be bi-directional at this point).

No one knows, we can only hope for the best.

tupolev141
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4 years 7 months ago
It’s ok to be emotional when you see the brand you’re passionate about in danger of disappearing, but there is no need for bitterness and hatred towards other brands. Meanwhile, I practiced what many people here only preach, kept calm, carried on and ordered myself a Volvo. The closest I can get to owning some Scandinavian spirit and design now. Do you want to spit me in the face now? Cherish the brand, and what it represents, and even if the worst nightmare comes true and no new SAABs will ever be produced, there will always be SAABs on the… Read more »
lundin
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4 years 7 months ago

That would be my move as well. No one will spit on you =) But tupolev you have promise me to consider THAT Saab car again if the brand is returning from the dead! Until then enjoy your new car.

tupolev141
Member
4 years 7 months ago

I promise 🙂 When the Phoenix 9-3 rises from the ashes, one of them is mine!

derek
Member
4 years 7 months ago

The lawyers only need to take ovloV’s bid for baaS’s machines and add that figure with the other bidder’s bid for baaS’s furniture, fitness centre, stored toilet paper, etc. Then see if that total amount is less than Youngman’s, Brightwell’s, or Mahindra’s bid.

Then ask the suppliers if they are willing to accept ___ amount now (amount ovloV is bidding) or ___ amount and an estimated ___ amount that baaS will earn from selling 2 years of production.

lundin
Member
4 years 7 months ago

hehe that was funny derek, are you an Audi driver 😉 that cant and feel bad about spelling Volvo or Saab =)

I agree with you, it should be very simple. There is just one missing param and that is GM. What is GM telling the admins about the future for youngman with saab “as-is” (even without the NG9-5 and 9-4X)

Daniel B
Member
4 years 7 months ago

According to di.se, an European Company has put in an competative offer for Saab. Also Fredrik Sidahl CEO FKG says that indications from the administrators, still is to sell Saab as a whole… More or less rumours but hey… Positive rumours at least..
http://di.se/Default.aspx?pid=3866&epslanguage=sv&referrer=

Red J
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Daniel.
Till, in his post already said, that the whole “Saab will be sold in parts” theory was only an unconfirmed rumour.

I think, we can only wait, but it is interesting to know that a fourth unknown bidder is now the second one placing a bid for Saab.

Till now BW and M&M have only talk about willing to place a bid, and it won’t be any different this time than dec. 2009. So the only valid question is: Show me the money!!

Daniel B
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Red,

I agree.

Carmania
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Is Turkey counted as “European” ?

XC9000
Member
4 years 7 months ago

To me it seems quite absurd to view Volvo as the ‘arch rival’ of Saab. For many people Volvo would be their 2nd choice. Saab and Volvo have more in common than most other brands.
In the past Saab was clearly superior, but during the GM-era things changed; Volvo got better and Saab got watered down somewhat by GM’s influences. I’d prefer a classic 900 turbo anytime over a 240 turbo, but take for example the 9-7X and compare it to the XC90; as much as I love Saab; I’d choose the Volvo; turbocharged, Swedish and of higher built-quality…

leriksso
Member
4 years 7 months ago
I do not care if you have a Saab, Volvo, Audi, BMW or whatever, I love my car and that’s it. I had worked at Saab Automobile and hope to do that again one day in the near future, because it was simply the best job I ever had. I hope Saab will survive in one way or another and that it will produce cars again. I promise to buy a brand new on the day they are back on the market. For me, Saab is not just a car, it is a state of mind, a culture and a… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
4 years 7 months ago

Leriksso: I’ve owned 9 GM products in the last 30 or so years. Unless they do an about-face on how they are handling this, I’ll never own another one of their cars. They’ve lost my trust.

Tilley
Member
4 years 7 months ago

+1

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