SOCGB on Top Gear Tonight

Those of you who are fans of Top Gear should tune into BBC2 (if you can) this Sunday at 8pm.
Top Gear will present a nice part of their show to the history of Saab.
The Saab Owners Club of Great Britain were invited to help put the show together by supplying cars, images and information.
Mike, Chairman of the SOC, said “We are proud to have been part of it and I think that we have done a good job for the Saab community”
Please visit www.saabclub.co.uk for more chat about the making of the show.

Swade has some tips for non GB viewers at http://www.swadeology.com/

Smithy
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4 years 7 months ago

Nice one!

I hope they don’t wrap up the story too tight, you never know what might happen… 😉

Jesse Crandle
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4 years 7 months ago

It’ll be a really rare opportunity for two reasons, one we’ll get to hear about Saab on a good show, and two we’ll get to hear Jeremy Clarkson admit he was wrong when he talks about the “new and impressive/still Saabish Phoenix lineup” on a later episode!

Smithy
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4 years 7 months ago

I hope you’re right.. 😉

Gopher
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4 years 7 months ago

As beautiful as the 9-5 is, why on earth would they not acquire one in the AERO trim, which looks a thousand times better! This front end is much to toned down compared to the aggressive lines of the aero trim. Ugh

Ronnie_Rad
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4 years 7 months ago

That’s the first thing that stood out to me as well, and I haven’t addressed it before, but it’s a longstanding problem I’ve had with Saab. Why do they have such distinctly different fascias on their trim levels? The German makes font do this, but it seems only Saab does it. I feel like a person should buy that model for what it is, not have different fascias separating it from the rest of the trim levels, only options should do that imo.
Oh well.

900 classic cab
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4 years 7 months ago

Exactly what I was about to write just before reading your post ! That usually happened before, at least around here, when auto journalist tried out some models. You rarely see them driving the top versions…I believe that that could also be the reason for many people not being aware of all SAABs potential.

simonswisssaab
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4 years 7 months ago

Pity SOC GB didn’t contact me as a member, because I have a 95 2.8 v6 xwd, and would have lent them the vehicle for the show if asked, as I live not that far away.

simonswisssaab
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4 years 7 months ago

Pity SOC GB didn’t ask me as a member, as I have a 95 2.8 v6 xwd, which I would have happily lent them for the filming, living not that far away.

North Toronto Punter
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4 years 7 months ago
Had the pleasure of shotgun and – sybaritically — back seat of Mike’s stunning 9-5. Always delight in the curious/ covetous looks got from (especially) unimaginative Bavarian steering coachmen as Mike and Hilary carve the Oxfordshire byways (more than once fetching me from Banbury Station!). His is diesel (Hirsched) + SatNav with a (factory accessory) rear spoiler primed (not sure it made the segment) that complements. I know he’s debating lowering springs too (though Hirsch can’t supply for diesel!) and there’s some SUHRT/Abshot/ Envall designed striping (gametes a la my avatar 🙂 ) coming his way [cf. Jorgen Trued’s example].… Read more »
Jesse Crandle
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4 years 7 months ago

Yes what is the “extra” button anyways? I thought I read it was literally just a button for an extra feature you could add yourself, but I don’t really know for sure what it does.

gustaf
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4 years 7 months ago
@Jesse: I bet Extra stands for additional mounted high beam headlights. Two reasons: extra lights is in fact called “extra ljus” and the second reason is that it is very common to mount extra external mounted lights. I guess the button makes it much easier to install. Top Gear: “We are secretly SAAB fans” = I knew it! I remember early episodes of Top Gear when they actually were positive. Later years the reviews have been so so. Model: I totally agree and it cuts in my heart every time I see foreign reviews picking a $46k LINEAR (!)ng9-5 and… Read more »
gustaf
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4 years 7 months ago

note: “positive” as in positive towards SAAB

RS
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4 years 7 months ago

I’m starting to believe it’s all about the interior and hp in the US. Not much to do with the car itself if it feels ‘solid’.
Official “test drives” are going around the block just staring at the dash and the green SID holding on to your coffee cup.
The minute the car is moving (driver has to look outside) people actually like the 9-5 a lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSVBawVw2LM&feature=endscreen

Lets hope the new owner will make some changes to the overall Saab strategy.

RS
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4 years 7 months ago

*as long as it feels solid*

Jesse Crandle
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4 years 7 months ago
Unfortunately RS you may be correct. I’m from the United States and I might tweak your statement to say “if it’s huge, has cupholders, and horsepower, then it’s good”. I find people here love massive SUVS, trucks, and cars with a lot of power and steer like a boat. While Americans like to complain about interior quality most of the time they let that slide (look at ANY U.S. domestic car… no really) and you’ll see the quality of the materials isn’t up to par with the rest of the world. Also turbos of any kind are basically shunned in… Read more »
guy davidson
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4 years 7 months ago

agree on the turbo.. seen a high maintenance

Jesse Crandle
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4 years 7 months ago

Sad thing is the closest to unreliable turbos ever got was back in the 80s and before when they were strictly oil cooled and if the owner didn’t give them 30-60 seconds to cool down. I still let my car idle for 30 seconds no matter what, but honestly even with the old 900s I’ve never had a turbo problem yet.

ivo 71
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4 years 7 months ago

Same here. My 9000 2.3 FPT is till on the original Garrett T25 turbo after 317.000 kms. Luckily, the car has had pre-owners who did know about the warming up/cooling down principle and refreshed the -full-synthetic 5W40- engine oil after every 20.000 kms. That’s the secret of turbo immortality.

Ivo

Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

In the U.S., General Motors converted their 350 gas engine to a diesel—with disasterous results—-and diesels suddenly had a reputation for being unreliable. The Chrysler turbos of the 80s were not very good—-early failures and high repair costs—-so suddenly, turbos had a reputation for being unreliable.

guy davidson
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4 years 7 months ago

guess I should have bought the 9-4x aero turbo…even so I like the zip of the non turbo engine.

Over9000
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4 years 7 months ago

Look at any US domestic car? I’d rather not.

Over9000
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4 years 7 months ago

I wondered about that, too. Consumer Reports bashed the 9-5’s powertrain for being “slow and wheezy,” but their model was a Turbo4, which cost nearly 10,000 USD less than the other cars! Having seen the price grid, I can say that a Turbo6 XWD would have been closer in price to the others. It wasn’t a fair comparison.

Trued
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4 years 7 months ago

Extra button was used for all cars with additional fog lights or additional headlights (rally style). Two versions used with and without built in control light in the switch.

fuzzi
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4 years 7 months ago

today at 04.55 pm at German TV Kabel 1 report about a 900 cabrio owner from 1992
http://www.kabeleins.de/tv-programm

900 classic cab
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4 years 7 months ago

It should be an aero

Kimberly
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4 years 7 months ago

I’d love to watch it, but the Season 18 (Series 18 to you Brits ;)) won’t premiere on BBCA until April.

spacy
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4 years 7 months ago

There are ways, to see it within a couple of hours after UK broadcast.

See Swades link above ^ ^ ^

OliverH
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4 years 7 months ago

I’ve switched later in on BBC three today. Winter driving with summer cars, Fisker and a superior handcap vehicle test. But nothing with Saab?

OliverH
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4 years 7 months ago

Ok my fault. Reprogrammed BBC 2 on Sunday 21:00 middle European time. Maybe this top gear track as Saab inside.

rune
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4 years 7 months ago

Fisker was last week’s episode. This week’s episode (airs tonight) is the one you want.

I’m a bit disappointed they did not run a Saab round the icy track.

OliverH
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4 years 7 months ago

But it was funny to see this cars handling the track.

rune
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4 years 7 months ago

Oh definitively. Also a very clear demonstration of why you don’t bring a RWD car on the ice. What I long to see though is a 9000 on the ice head-to-head with a 9-5 XWD.

Procyon
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4 years 7 months ago

Can anyone save and upload the video?

Frank2029
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4 years 7 months ago
I would also love for someone to record the episode on Saab. Unless there is some sort of LEGAL way we can watch this? On a side note about saab. I personally believe that the USA is a major factor if not the only factor for a company to be successful. It has 340 million people compared to almost 7 billion to the rest of the world but i really cant stand it how the USA market either makes or breaks a company weather it is a Saab or even Blackberry cell phones. And if The Americans don’t like it… Read more »
Chris Ivory
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4 years 7 months ago

Coughs – 😉

mpprh
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4 years 7 months ago
gunteman
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4 years 7 months ago

Although not legal in writing, I’d say that finalgear.com is a pretty accepted source for downloads. It’s very public about its torrent spreading, and Finalgear paraphernalia have been worn publicly by Top Gear officials.

spacy
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4 years 7 months ago

GOOD PROGRAM, but a mention that there are some potential buyers out there would have helped….

Daniel B
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4 years 7 months ago

Anyone watching..?

zippy
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4 years 7 months ago

Clarkson LOVED the 99 Turbo. Loved those moments when he was talking about how rebelious Saab engineers where when they developed the NG900 and the 9-3. Of the new 9-5, Clarkson called it unfinished and ‘a commercial flop’ because of that very ‘fact’. All in all the boys said they will mss Saab and that it was a sad day.

Lets hope we havent seen the last of Saab so they can get their hands on JC’s 9-3.

🙂

Trued
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4 years 7 months ago

Nice program. Sad to see that The 99 Turbo had The wrong front seats.
Seams like Top Gear really liked Saab but not a word on the possible future with a New owner. The BMW talk at The end was that a sign in he sky regarding Saabs future? One could only hope!

Galway-Saab
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4 years 7 months ago

Good program ……. was the mention of BMW jets at the end hint of what is to come ?

dezzer
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4 years 7 months ago

Loved the light blue 92…although it appeared to be a bitch to drive…overall good picture given of SAAB over the years and yes that bit at the end about BMW….makes you wander what this week will bring, Clarkson, thanks for saying you will miss SAAB.

Tim Sinclair
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4 years 7 months ago

As a 1988 900 is my daily driver (at 180,000 miles) and as I am a new father I was delighted to see the drop test against the BMW at the end. The strength and durability of this vehicle is a testament to the people who designed and built it. The idea that they resisted GM consistently makes me happy. Imagine how bad SAABs would have been had SAAB simply gone along with GM! SAAB would have been out of business 10 years ago.

Jesse Crandle
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4 years 7 months ago

And imagine how epic Saab will be without GM.

beosaaber
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4 years 7 months ago

Good show. Repectful, nostalgic and funny. Nice to see Clarkson in a new 9-3. The BMW bit at the end? Co-incidence? Think not….and i think SU should run a poll “If you coudln’t buy a Saab in the future would you instead choose A) Audi B) BMW or C) Other

Trued
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4 years 7 months ago

It is not over yet, Swedes never give up. There is to much positive energy and “krama” floating around.

gunteman
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4 years 7 months ago

Haha, “krama”! Good one! 🙂

it means “to hug” in Swedish

Thylmuc
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4 years 7 months ago
Snowshoe
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4 years 7 months ago

Not bad, a total of around 20 minutes of SAABia on Topgear.
The message of SAABs dedication to safety really came through.
Another interesting thing was the mention of the typical customer and that SAAB had the “best educated customers” or something along those lines.
A bit strange that they more or less skipped the V4 and the rallye history

OliverH
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4 years 7 months ago
So funny as they compare the Vauxhall Cavallier (funny the the UK guys still have a rebadged OPEL) and the 900 NG. At that time GM stepped in the 900 NG was finished and GM tried to get some OPEL parts in to show synergies. Some sentences in the show are true but some are out of context or said in a way to misunderstand it. It’s so nice to compare the TIPO car projects output (9000 not CS, Thema and Croma). No words on side impact, much better quality. How much Themas and Chromas are still on the road?… Read more »
gunteman
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4 years 7 months ago

You have to put things into perspective, and I think it was very respectful and has gained us quite a few friends.

robertp
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4 years 7 months ago

‘That story of ever loss making’… as we always say (working for a large corporate): Loss and profit is an opinion. When it suits you, you make loss as a company or as an subsidiairy. Making loss can be very profitable for tax-reasons

mpprh
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4 years 7 months ago
The 900NG timing meant that it was built on the previous Vectra platform, and that was the root of the problem with that vehicle. GM and Saab were in a learning curve, the suits got the upper hand, resulting in major flaws that were largely ironed out in the 9-3. The Aero name was registered by GM … and became available to Saab after the takeover. Saab only made a marginal and artificial profit in 1995 from 1987 onwards. Small volume car production is expensive and Saab rarely achieved the planned volumes.. GM tried to achieve savings by merging parts… Read more »
ivo 71
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4 years 7 months ago
Still, the ‘bombshell’ at the end about BMW -that the proverbial architect/Saab owner would now have to make do with a 5-series BMW and that the first German jet, the M262 ‘Schwalbe’, had a BMW jet engine (which is, in fact, not true, it was built by Junckers as May pointed out; but I digress)- kind of made me think that maybe they know a bit more than we do but can’t let on due to, perhaps, an embargo deal or the confidentiality of the info they sit on. But that’s just another bit of wishful thinking, I guess. Dammit,… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

Ivo: I think we’ll know this week or next. If not—-I fear the worst.

jond
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4 years 7 months ago

I enjoyed it. They seemed to get to the essence of the thing in an interesting and respectful sort of way. OK, so it wasn’t entirely accurate in all respects, but what reviews ever are? Also, they now get to do another programme in the next series – the resurgence of Saab against all expectations.

gunteman
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4 years 7 months ago
A very good episode! It’s perfectly fine that they acknowledge that part of the problem was that Saab put themselves into trouble by their “our way on the highway” approach. The way they said it was with the utmost respect and awe. Early quotes from TG fans on Finalgear.com “Damn you, Top Gear! Now I want a Saab as well. A 900 Turbo, please.” “I’m going to give this one a 10. The Saab piece alone is worth that. ” “…now I want a Saab” “I going to really miss SAAB.” “a respectful eulogy” “SAAB section was a highlight” “That… Read more »
spacy
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4 years 7 months ago

Now all we have to do is wait for episode 2,

‘’The Resurgence of SAAB’‘

@ your Cinema soon……,…….!!

mo
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4 years 7 months ago

here is the link i watched it on. beware they are a few pop ups that come at you. i didn’t care, i just wanted to see SAABBB!!!!!!!!

http://watch-freeseries.eu/tv/top_gear/season/18/episode/5/episode_5/6712

Smithy
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4 years 7 months ago

Great tribute. I almost felt the tears coming at the end – but then I got a strange feeling from the “BMW wrap-up” and I was like: “Oh yes, there you go, please let it be true – buy this icon..”

Angelo V.
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4 years 7 months ago

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/saab-brand-presents-uphill-climb-200200863.html
Obviously, here on Saabs United, we know this blurb is missing the truth. Diminished value in the Saab brand? Maybe, but there’s still plenty left.

Katsura
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4 years 7 months ago

This deserves a 9 more than a 10.
😉

aeroman
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4 years 7 months ago

I wonder why this “challenge” was dropped and if it will be ever shown at a later date?
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/sneak-preview-gallery-top-gear-series-18-2012-1-20?imageNo=8
Probably because they over did it on the Car / Jet heritage comparison!

RS
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4 years 7 months ago
Much better than expected. In fact it was quite heartwarming to finally hear they admitted a NG 900 > NG 9-5 is not an Opel. What a shame it came out about 15 years too late. Until now it’s been all about “-Why buy a Saab when you can have a Merc?”. I’ve had to drive both the ”Cavalier” and the B Vectra extensively since new and I can assure everyone, people would not have known they were built on the same platform as Saab. A Vectra -to me- always felt more like a Mondeo or a base Audi (depending… Read more »
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