The Last 9-3 And What It Means

Since Thursday of last week, we have received a total so far of 13,325.11 euros which is the equivalent of $17,624.78 USD. For the first six days I have to say I am impressed to see so many people support such a great cause. Judging by the ticker I see to the right, it would look like we have 18 days and 15174.89 Euro left to reach the target. We have done a great job collectively so far and need to continue to push to reach the target.

I know that North America has been behind Europe in donations, but I can’t stress hard enough that every donation counts towards the final goal and hey, most of us got paid yesterday. We are many in North America and if every owner donated 5 euros towards the total, we would already be surpassing the required amount. In know way am I saying only donate 5 euros, donate what you can, if it’s 5 or 500, doesn’t matter to me. Do what you can or what you want and we will get there.

Some questions have come up about what happens after the first five years? Why is the car not just gifted to the museum? And what if we don’t reach the goal? All of these questions are good questions and have been answered as follows.

Regarding the five year contract and why the car is not just gifted answered by TimR in comments:

The real reason why we keep it private and only loan it to the Museum over a renewable 5 year period is that the museums future is still not secured. IF the museum would fall into financial difficulties next year, which is very likely at this point, this car would be the one, which would be easiest for the owners to get some money out of, and thus secure the future a bit longer… this must not happen!

So by keeping it private for the first 5 years, guarantees that nothing can happen to the car regardless of what happens to the museum.

Many cars at the museum have a similar deal, where a contract is signed between the museum and a private owner, that the museum will keep the car in display condition and I guarantee by that contract that the car will stay where it is.

IF after the first 5 year period, the museum’s finance are in order and its future secured for a minimum of another 5 years, the car can be written over to the museum…

What if we don’t reach the goal? Answered in post Buying the last 9-3. Status update friday 27th of April.

The deadline for providing a donation is the 20th of May at 14:00 Central European Time. That is when we will know if we have been able to complete the task of saving this valuable car or if the money gathered will be sent as a one time donation to the Saab Cars Museum.

Now with all that out of the way, I will tell you why this specific car is so important to me and all of us. Not that long ago there was talk about all the remaining cars on the production line being scrapped altogether and never being completed. This didn’t happen and ANA, a Saab dealer agreed to purchase the final cars at different stages of production and complete the ones they could in house which to me is very impressive. This car is to be the very last Griffin to come of the line and be completed and weather or not it’s the last 9-3 to ever be built remains to be seen, but I would think it is more then likely the last of its kind which makes it a very special car. It also closes out the Spyker/SWAN era of Saab and like it or not, that becomes a part of our history.

Why this whole cause is important to me and all of us is because I personally don’t know of another brand where fans and customers of the brand have come together like this. We are looking at as a collective group, buying a historical car to ensure it has its place in history so that people can see this car and say “that was saved by the fans”. As a fan, that image just makes me happy and proud of this group.

If you have already donated, thank you very much. If you are thinking about donating, please do it. For those of us in North America, come on guys and gals, lets show everyone that Saab matters to us too, lets make this dream a reality and show the world how different we are and why Saab fans are the best.

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Joshua Daily
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Well, I am broke but I donated 10 Euro ($13 USD) to the cause. I get paid friday and I hope to donate more if I have the spare cash. Hope this helps!

Scott Emerson
Member
4 years 4 months ago
Greetings from Syracuse, NY, U.S.A.! My wife and I are happy to join in the campaign to save the Griffin. I drove a Saab for the first time almost two years ago. My father-in-law bought a 2002 9-5 Arc wagon, which I borrowed to pick up my children from an activity. By the time I had arrived back home, I decided that I had to have one, and promptly informed my wife of my desire for this new mistress! Within a week’s time, we found ourselves driving 400 miles to purchase a gorgeous 2003 9-5 Arc 3.0t wagon. We quickly… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Fantastic post!

julie@KellySAAB
Member
What a great post and testiment to what we all know- SAAB is the only car for us. Jason- thank you also for a clear concise understanding of where our money will go in this effort. As a board member for Central Penn SAAB Club, I wanted to be sure you all were aware of the event coming up from May 17-20 in Carlisle PA as part of the Import and Kit Nationals Show at the fairgrounds. This is an excellent event hosted by our club and one that draws folks from all over the country! In fact, we are… Read more »
kanundrum
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Will have a big donation coming your way in 14 days 🙂

guy davidson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I didnt realize 10 euros = 13 dollars…an unlucky number – so I donated 5 more euros to change the luck back to good.. Best of Luck.

guy davidson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

By the way – driving home heading into a tornado with accompanying large hail – I pulled off the road to cover to hope it would pass and the hail and tornado would miss me — it did thank god and hail mary.

Ken St John
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Well, I hit the DONATE button before seeing the “Write your name here” so that 20 Euro you just got anonymously from PayPal is really mine!! Good luck!!

Joshua Daily
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Aw crap. I never noticed the ‘Write your name here’ either but with my next donation, I shall add my name to the ever-growing list of donations!

GerritN
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Done, just send me picture of the car when it has found its place in the museum. No “In the arms of an angel” background music please, I’m crying already….

Ken H
Member
4 years 4 months ago

The price seems to indicate the car is purchased taxed and registered. Is it not possible to buy the car without taxes and registration?

Apologies if the question has already been answered.

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

The car is already registered and taxed so that is not possible. 28’500 Euro is an extremely discounted price, honestly I’m pretty sure that ANA would make a substantial profit it was sold to anyone else. Normal price for such a car is well over 40’000 Euro.

Ralph
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Would be nice to add something to the countdown clock: a “last updated on…” message.

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

We try to update the account status at least 3-4 times per day…

Ralph
Member
4 years 4 months ago

While doing that you can add the date and time…
Alternatively just once add the phrase “We try to update the account status at least 3-4 times per day…” to the countdown clock.

rask
Member
4 years 4 months ago

So I guess the donators are the owners unless it´s given to the Saab Museum after five years? But Tim refers to the “owner”? Who will this particular person be? Or will there be a non-profit foundation created?

Who keeps track of the list of owners, contact details etc? Saabs United?

What if Saabs United does not exist in five years?

By the way: What happened to the “help Saab Employer” fund? Was all the money provided to the fired employees?

Aerobic
Member
4 years 4 months ago

We really do need answers to the questions ‘rask’ has asked.

So, what is the status of the donations?
Who is legally holding the money?
If not enough money is donated, the money goes to the museum. Fair enough.
If enough money is donated and the car is purchased, who will be the legal owner of the car?
If the legal owner is a person, what happens if that person dies.
If it is to be owned by a trust or something, who will be the trustees?

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago
We have already answered these questions time and time again in the comments and its all pretty much detailed in the first post and on the donation page. But I will try to answer everything here again! =) 1. The car is already registered and taxed and it is included in the price, a price which already has a heavy discount on it. 2. The car will be registered in my name as a private person, I, personally will be legally responsible for it legally. The museum signs a contract with me and we together place it at the museum… Read more »
phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Just want to make one more thing clear, if the car is to be removed from the museum for any reason, it will be a very expensive endeavor.

1. A tax of almost 700 Euro besides the yearly registration fee needs to be paid.
2. A full traffic insurance of at least 400 Euro needs to be paid as well.

So the car is pretty much locked where it is, we might consider taking the car outside if there is a Saab Festival type event in Trollhättan, but in no way will we ever risk the car being damaged.

RS
Member
4 years 4 months ago

May I suggest you lock the doors but leave the windows 2/3 open to keep the interior pristine.

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

You are right about that… we should consider that!

rask
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Sorry, but not the answers I am looking for, I am not interested in financing Tim’s purchase of the last Saab, even if it will be put in the museum. There is plenty of time to work this out the right way if there is a will to do so.

I don´t feel confident by this setup and will spend my money elsewhere…

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

As Jason said it is your wish to do what ever you want with your money. This is the only way the car can be purchased and time is short, very short actually. The car is going to be finished soon and if the amount is not reached, the car will be sold to someone else.

ANA will not wait the number of weeks it will take to establish an organization etc… and buying the car for this price is an SU Exclusive thing. Anyone else will be charged a significantly higher price…

Bob Clark
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I must come in on this, having posted before on these matters from a professional viewpoint as a museum curator in the UK. TimR has taken an admirable initiative in acting to attempt to secure this vehicle for the Saab Museum: well done! He has also in broad terms done so in a way that I have seen happen countless times in the museums world, where mission-driven private individuals can often act far faster and more decisively than corporate bodies of any sort – particularly ones that have recently had the stuffing knocked out of them by nearly being closed… Read more »
GerritN
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I’m against over-engineering things. One of my frustrations is all the hoops that administrators are forcing us to jump through to cover our butts in each and every way and to save money. In the end all these bloody processes lead to a lot of frustration, projects being delayed and much more money being spent because of the delays AND because we’re subsidizing an army of administrators. SO WHAT IF Tim HAS NO INTEGRITY AND STEALS ALL OUR MONEY??? Does the world end? Are we all going bankrupt? If Tim wants to risk his good name for $28k then I… Read more »
Bob Clark
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I’m actually against overcomplicating things too, and appreciate your position. However, there are in the museums world established right ways of doing things, and the fundamental problem with the Saab Museum is that these do not entirely seem to have been followed over the years. The sad outcome was one which the heritage sector has seen too many times, and which – at least as far as the museum’s collections were concerned – was always totally avoidable. That being the case, I have been providing an informed, professional perspective on how to do things right from now on, so that… Read more »
rask
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I reported this comment, but not to have it erased. My intention is to highlight it to the SaabsUnited crew. I totally agree with Bob´s opinion and feel that this would be the right setup. Also, I would expect Tim to give a response and seriously consider this. I cannot see why not Tim, if he has the right intentions, would not proceed with such a setup. I would go so far as to say that he has the responsibility to all the sponsors to do this. He is totally entitled to his own opinions, but I believe the community… Read more »
phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago
No, it will not happen! We have presented a way that we want to work, a way that we have spent a huge time investigating in and that we support, people so far have accepted it and almost donated enough money to complete the endeavor we have engaged ourselves in. We will continue according to the plan we have, because we know that it works! You can stand outside this huge group of hundreds of people who have donated and shout your opinions but everyone will know, you were the one who did not help out when a cry for… Read more »
julie@KellySAAB
Member

Thanks, Tim, for taking this on. I really appreciate your dedication to our beloved brand and those of us who love SAAB.

You may not “plan on dying”, but I would hope there is some contingency plan in place should something crazy occur. Poerhaps that the car would go to Jason and/or Till? I do think a plan should be in place for this possibility. (Please don’t think me morose- I’m really quite the opposite!)

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

We should be able to write a clause into the contract that if I should find myself in a better place, the car would become permanently looked after by the museum.

In all honesty I’m pretty sure that we will sign the car over to the museum within a year or so…

Aerobic
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Oops! I pushed “Report” instead of “Reply” 🙁

Thanks for clarifying. I’m happy with the situation now. There has to be a measure of trust somewhere, given the short timescale. I was just wary that the full implications had not been thought through fully.

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago
No problem, Jason was quick on approving it again! =) We have thought it through, a lot actually… I hesitated for about a month before starting this… the thing is that we can not disclose all the details of the contract before it is signed. And we can not sign a contract before we actually know that we can afford to buy the car… otherwise I would be legally forced to buy the car regardless of how much money is gathered… =( This thing has been anything but easy, hopefully its the first and last time we have to take… Read more »
Carma
Member
4 years 4 months ago
Regarding ”last 9-3”, please let me share a dream about it. I would love it if a facelifted 9-3 could be built in Trollhättan. (While waiting for phoenix) Sure the 9-3 is “old”, but old also in this case means “well tested” and “reliable”. I am sure there would be buyers, maybe not enough in europe, but very likely in China. My suggestion would be to redesign the front to look like NG 9-5, which is very clean and beautiful design. And for the rear I would like to see a very sleek 3 and 5 door design, reminding of… Read more »
Bob Clark
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I want to add a final word to the discussion about ownership that I began several days ago. TimR and I have now communicated offline, and he has explained a number of things to me in detail that I can understand he would not wish to set out in public. From what I now know, I have concluded that the way in which it is proposed that the car should be saved is not unsafe. The intention is clearly to lock things up tightly to protect the car, and what’s proposed will certainly do that even if in a way… Read more »
leriksso
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I’m not a person who have a lot of money but as a fan and driver of a Saab I send a small donation,

Even a lot of small donations will be a large sum at the end .. so keep it up.

marq101
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Well, at least the initiative has reached the Dutch Autoweek site. http://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/19352/reddingsactie-voor-laatste-saab I’m not a fan of the site (too many saur comments) but hey, any which way we can but loose (-;

meg haviland
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Mine is done. Wish I could have done more but recently unemployed…..
To be a part of Saab’s history saving an important part of Saab’s Heritage well worth it…now I can say we own 4!
Next phase: Saab’s comeback 🙂

Baver
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Ditto much of meg’s comment for my own situation, sadly. I did forgo a night out, for a donation for the “last” 9-3. We’re almost there!

GH
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Sent €40. Wish I could give more but my budget is tight this month.
Glad and proud to be a part of this. Thank you all, donors as well as organizers.

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