Time is crucial…

Whenever there is a story on the progress in the bidding process criticism comes up about the timeframe. Many here think the receivers are working too slow and that every day more it takes to sign a deal does even more damage to Saab, be it through bad press or employees finding new jobs.

To be honest, I cannot follow those argumants at all. On the contrary, from what I get to know, I see the receivers are doing a good job. The impression of a slow process mostly comes through the little information we get. But as always the look from the outside does not reflect what is happening behind closed doors.

Another issue is that for our feel the whole thing started with the production stop over a year ago. But when it comes to the people in charge right know we have to admit that they got to start their mission just before christmas. This is a huge difference.

A serious number of former Saab employees have found new jobs – but many at engineering companies that are still in the area. So a new Saab can still hire knowledge and experience from there. With the right buyer Saab 2.0 will be able to re-attract former employees as well as new, experienced people who want to be part of the recreation of a heritaged brand. Something that will be hard to find at any other place in the world.

Since bankrupcy was declared, all parties (with the exception of Youngman) that showed up had to get a picture of the company and to evaluate the assets. They had to set up a solid business plan. Not only to present it to the receivers but also to judge the chance of succeeding by themselves. All things that are not done in a second. A process called due diligence, as in making absolutely clear which risks are to be located where is something that takes time. But the more time is spent on this, the less disaster any possible surprise can and will achieve.

I know Saab had an original business plan for the next five years. It was used in the presentations for potential investors, but this plan is void now, it ended with bankrupcy. Almost all basic conditions have changed since then. You need different ideas, looking at this just like it was a startup company. A huge task but also a enormous opportunity if you take the right steps.

And designing such a plan takes time. We should acknowledge this when we judge the process and the parties in it. Hastiness has done too much damage in the past. I tend to believe that for example the production restart in 2010 was too quick, though with the best intentions. Something like Cheetah should have come first in my opinion. At the moment things were restarted in 2010 a lot of stuff still had to be freed from the GM days, and indeed the GM integrated systems. A lot of contracts had to be re negotiated, some of which actually provided the new owners with major headaches. Let’s not forget that when this process was taking place, a number of suppliers all of a sudden took a very aggressive financial stance, which in the end was nothing but a shoot yourself in the foot exercise. Many of us seem to tend to forget where things went South. Any possible new owner/investor will obviously wish to avoid such a drama from being reinacted. But this is easy to judge with today’s knowledge.

It’s of no use to cry over spilled milk, we have to look at the future. Once Saab is back in a safe port there will be some time to analyze what happened in the past two years. If we believe the Swedish press there are now two parties left in this game so the whole process is entering the final stage.

When thinking about venting critisim regarding what is going on behind closed doors, remember that none of us (apart from very few) have the full picture. If parts are indeed missing then one should really consider if writing is really the best way to go. Remember we as a Saab community are to a degree the face of this process. Remember that a Saab driver is seen as very individualistic but also someone willing to wait before he or she can invest in a new car.

In the end we will see that time is indeed crucial. The time that the receivers gave the bidders to set up a proper plan. This made sure they remained in the process. If they had rushed them, they might have been gone long before. I, for one, am willing to wait if this means Saab gets a place where it can prosper.

LarsG
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4 years 4 months ago

Good thinking and well written. If no more production in Sweden it could maybe been a quicker handling but if we really wish Saab to survive it may take time.

Niklas G
Member
4 years 4 months ago

+1

kochje
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Indeed good writing; +1

Daniel B
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Good planning takes some extra time… and usually ends up in a better place:)

Angelo V.
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Agreed. But on the other hand, “paralysis by analysis” has killed more than one project and more than one company. Time to get the show on the road. Time for an announcement.

Daniel B
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I both agree and disagree. Last year the announcements were many but look where it all ended up…
I´m dying to know who the buyer will be though…:)

900jubileum
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4 years 4 months ago

I agree. I think that the silence from the lawyers is good for the process. As soon as the slightest little thing leaks to the media they nearly always turn it into a negative way.

Angelo V.
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Actually, because their communication and transparency has been abysmmal, there has been more conjecture and negative assumptions than can be measured. There are many things they can’t disclose and I can respect that—-and they can easily explain why they can’t offer up every single detail of this process. But they’ve offered next to nothing—-and I don’t think that has been productive at all—-I think it’s been damaging.

Martin T16s
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4 years 4 months ago
Yet another great piece from you Till. I for one being a Saab dealer employee straight from school and 37years unbroken service certainly wish for the same things that you mention above. However I have two points to comment on regarding your piece. Firstly with regard to experienced people being lost. Saab has in the past been blessed not only with probably the most loyal customers of any brand but also similar loyalty from it,s employees. My 37 years is nothing exceptional nor unusual within the Saab world. But I have to slightly disagree with the point that this lost… Read more »
Olav
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4 years 4 months ago

+1! Very well written, I agree wholeheartedly with you!

Cheers from Norway
-Olav-
Always on the longest road home when out there with my SAABs. Always!

Angelo V.
Member
4 years 4 months ago
The small window to set deadlines and work quickly and efficiently to select a new owner has passed. Dealerships are gone, in large part because they had/have no way of knowing if there’s a future. I spoke to two of them. They could have found a way to bridge to the future if they knew there would be a future—-without that, they’ve let most employees go, preparing for a complete shutdown. They’re keeping their service department open as long as possible, but will move to a more isolated, smaller location soon. At this point, I think it’s probably true that… Read more »
Martin T16s
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4 years 4 months ago

I agree Angelo, my point exactly.

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago
There never was a quick window to restart anything,… most dealers were gone by october-november anyway. Those who still remained had ongoing plans on moving somewhere else… a lot were hoping but very few believing in a save for Saab. Nothing in big business like this happens fast, those companies who do act fast in these things are not credible and probably just luck-seekers. Also remember that the sales process in 2009 lasted for well over a year with several different business plans coming and going and in retrospect, none of them were really good… more time would have been… Read more »
Martin T16s
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4 years 4 months ago
In addition I would also like to take the opportunity to say what a fantastic day the SAAB community had yesterday at the annual Swedish Day event in Yeovil here in the UK. The weather was perfect, the atmosphere infectious, the turnout exceptional and the organisation spot on. This really is now a major event in the SAAB owners calender and can only grow bigger each year as it has already done since it,s beginning. Robin, Alex and all, you are true Saab fanatics just like the rest of us and we thank you and all those that contributed to… Read more »
Thorfinn
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4 years 4 months ago

Damn, I wish I’d realised that was happening in Yeovil yesterday, I would have travelled up from Cornwall for that! Glad you had a good day there, anyway. I spent much of the day working on my “Project” 9000, so a day not entirely wasted…. 🙂

Harriet
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4 years 4 months ago

I agree, the window is small, and time is tight; but, and very important, Saab people will wait for their car, it has to be the right Saab, not a GM version of what could have been, but the Saabs that have given me years and almost a quarter of a million miles with very few problems, that is the car that we are waiting for and that is a mammouth undertaking. We can wait for news, we can wait for our new Saabs, but we can’t be waiting for mediocrity.

Quixcube
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4 years 4 months ago
That’s it exactly. The total lack of consumer acceptance of the Spyker Saab cars declared loudly and clearly that the public wanted more than mediocrity from Saab. Everything Saab had should always have been directed at the production of post-GM era cars. The Spyker plan of selling the 9-3 one generation longer, selling the 9-5 half-baked and selling the 9-4x at no profit due to the cost of buying them turn-key from GM while also streamlining all operations and also planning new products wasn’t a realistic plan at all. That said, that entire fiasco kept Saab “alive” long enough to… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 4 months ago
You might be in for disappointment. I’ve never been a cheerleader for Spyker—other than the fact that they kept Saab alive—but I find your criticism of them interesting. Selling the 9-3 one generation longer was the only way they could come close to an affordable, entry level Saab. It was also their convertible, which has been a popular Saab for decades. I don’t know enough about the 9-4 plan to comment—-but I don’t think the 9-5 was halfbaked at all. If anything, it needed to be offered with less content/fewer features, for a lower price. It is a beautiful car… Read more »
Jeroen
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4 years 4 months ago

The 9-4X was actually a good business deal at the time: bought in USD, income in SEK.

Quixcube
Member
4 years 4 months ago
By half-baked I mean that I think it was not finished when it went on sale. In 2010 Saab was so constrained they offered only a strange quasi-aero package with limited engine choices, limited drive-train choices, limited interior choices and no sunroof (supplier problems). In 2011 they added engine choices and interior color options but much remained unfinished the entire model year. For example, the suspension received harsh criticism from the press (especially in the UK) and Saab promised to address it for 2012 when the SportCombi was released. In light fo their issues, I read this as “we will… Read more »
Martin T16s
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4 years 4 months ago

A slight correction. The 95 Saloon did get enhancements in response to the suspension issues here in the UK with the chassis set up being revised, 18″ alloys becoming standard along with full leather trim and Sat Nav.

maanders
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4 years 4 months ago
But if they had not sold them…then the dealers would have had nothing to sell and they would have been in the state they are now just a couple of years earlier. If Saab was going to wait until all “new” cars were ready, they would have had to restart the dealer network just as will have to be done now. I think it was only part of the problem that some people did not like the “GM Saabs” (and that was people who were even aware of the issue), but the bigger problem was that a lot of the… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 4 months ago
That wasn’t/isn’t my experience at all. I’m in the Washington, DC area and I don’t think anyone ever asked about Saab going out of business in 2010 and 2011. In fact, I’m not even being asked about it now—except by people who I have told that Saab is in bankruptcy. The reporting of Saab’s demise hasn’t been too noticable in the U.S.—-little blurbs here and there. Even the major car magazines haven’t done a heck of a lot to “wave goodbye” to Saab. Again, little articles, but not major coverage, at least not that I have found (and I subscribe… Read more »
maanders
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4 years 4 months ago
Well for those that did not think Saab was dead, Saab was just off their radar due to little to no advertising during the sale process and production startup by Spyker. I certainly understand why when money is tight you cannot do big ad campaigns (and we discussed that here in great detail on SU back in the day), but without much advertising….most people had stopped even thinking about Saab. The 9-4X and the Pheonix concept at Geneva began to get some buzz going in the press….but by then the financial situation was in a bind and then the suppliers… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 4 months ago

It wouldn’t have been the new 9-3—-they were talking about resuming production of an existing 9-3.

phermansson
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4 years 4 months ago

Forget about the current 9-3, no dealer is willing to put money into selling a 10 year old design… anyone trying to restart production and make money with that car is really living in a dream world…

Gamling millions of Euro’s on selling 80k of them in 1-2 years is probably the worst gamble in the world. Saab needs to restart with brand new products if it is to survive at all. Leave the old behind and move on!

Harriet
Member
4 years 4 months ago

it was my experience, I even went so far as to test a Mercedes and a BMW, and they are fine cars, just not my fine car – I want a Saab – did buy a “transition” used one, and am hoping for the best – advertising is key to turing around Saab – and here it is all is for a good agency – we are SAAB!

Quixcube
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I think it was a disservice to the dealership network for Saab to make promises they couldn’t keep. Saab was very wrong about its “fully funded” business plan and they had to have known they were going to run out of money pretty early into the affair.

It would have been kinder to tell the dealers sooner to either diversify or scale back rather than making empty promises that hurt in the end anyway.

Niklas G
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4 years 4 months ago
I think most of us would agree that the only important thing right now is to make one final deal with one new owner. No quickly put together temporary solutions that will fall apart next week or month because someone somewhere managed to kill it, but a real long term solution with a new owner that has a serious and well thought through business plans for how to put Saab Automobile back in business again. There’s no guarantees to ever get there, and plans A, B, C, … didn’t do the job. VM is a true master of quick solutions… Read more »
jond
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4 years 4 months ago

I for one am a little surprised that the Receivers seem to be managing to tie things up so quickly. The Hemfosa deal is just one of the many things that happened as the business approached bankruptcy that they will have had to revisit and, perhaps, renegotiate. Also, they will have had to do complete due diligence on each of the bidders and their proposals. I expect that on most days they have had their heads down in the books wearing a puzzled expression and probably are a bit short-tempered with anyone who interrupts the general flow of their work.

Jeroen
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Just hoping for Trollhättan that it won’t be Youngman.

kochje
Member
4 years 4 months ago

50% chances?

Jeroen
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Statistically speaking, yes.

Chris Carrier
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I own/have owned five GM-era Saabs and two pre-GM. I became a fan because of the GM-era Saabs and I do really appreciate the pre-GM cars, too. I appreciate moving beyond GM and am looking forward to the next era of Saab, but those of you who suggest that Spyker’s failure was due to mediocre products are wrong. I pass dozens of inferior cars on the way to work that sold 50 times more than the 9-5 I drive. Making good products is not enough. I hope the new owner can capture what IS because plenty of good business minds… Read more »
BMW Rider
Member
4 years 4 months ago
Saab had some of its best sales years under GM ownership so that says something. All 6 of my Saabs since ’99 have been GM era Saabs with the later cars being the best ones in almost every aspect save a few features I would have liked to have been kept. I still have 3 of them, including a 2011 9-5 Aero, a truly wonderful car that could have really evolved given the chance to stay in production. I for one wish GM could have been able to get through the financial crisis while holding onto Saab so we could… Read more »
saabdog
Member
4 years 4 months ago

To paraphrase the words of Alan Shepard in the movie “The Right Stuff”…Why don’t you fix your little problems and light this candle…and get a new owner for Saab, now!

For reference & inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veDcp3wB3JA

DreamChaser
Member
4 years 4 months ago

+1
Great analogy, great movie too; one of the very best..!

Angelo V.
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Chris: Very well said. My Saab is an ’04 9-5 ARC wagon—GM era—and it’s a wonderful vehicle. The final Saabs, also derived from GM, were beautiful cars. I haven’t driven the final 9-5 but I did ride in one. I thought it was incredibly stylish inside and out—-quiet but spirited, fast, comfortable—-all good virtues. I’m not sure about the reliability of them, but assuming that’s okay, it was a great final effort from them. The new owner needs a really good advertising agency, that is certain.

bilen
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I really, really hope that, whoever the new owner will become, they use Castriota’s design.
It was/is such a beauty. A perfect mix of 650, Aero x and Phoenix concept and still very recognicable as a Saab. Think 99/900/NG900.

Jeroen
Member
4 years 4 months ago

For the new 9-3 you mean? I second that, awesome design and a strong, powerful presence (last model/version I saw was in the fall of 2011).

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I don’t like it all if I am to be honest… I don’t believe in going retro… whats been has been, lets look forward in design! Trying to “revisit” the old like Jason has done here might be good for some people but in a general public, I think it will fail. I grant that the new design takes some getting used to, especially the rear part but having seen what Simon Paidan and the others developed, I would have preferred the pure futuristic and very Saaby clean Aero X styles rather than the retro inspired new JC design… I… Read more »
Jeroen
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4 years 4 months ago
I think Castriota’s design will do great with the general public, in that sense that it does exactly the same as the Phoenix Concept: either you love it or you hate it. No middle of the road. You don’t like it at all, I think it’s great: and that’s how it should be. Any new Saab needs to be an opinion divider, imho. Castriota’s convertible was a bit of an odd creature though: most of all it looked and felt huge. More a Bentley than a Saab, but that is not necessarily a bad thing 😉 The cross-country, or X,… Read more »
nixschel
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4 years 4 months ago
Gents, with the greatest of respects, none of us are actually participating in whatever part of these negotiations. I am a tad surprised by the mere fact it is stated above that this silence isn’t good. I can imagine we are all more than avid supporters of the brand and all want the best for it. But, I somehow don’t see why we seem to have a right to information….. Yes, I agree the loss of dealers isn’t a good one. I agree some of the products that came out weren’t the best. But then, read Saab’s here and there… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 4 months ago
I might be missing something—-isn’t the Swedish goverment one of the creditors (and possibly the EU as well)? If that is the case, why do you think a closed door policy with cryptic information sometimes given, sometimes not—by the aloof three—is acceptable? Isn’t there a taxpayer aspect to this that should justify the feeling that more progress reports/projections should be disclosed? I’m in the U.S., so you’re right in my case—-I don’t have a right to any information as I’m just an owner of the brand and an enthusiast. But I would think this is “public” enough to warrant the… Read more »
mike saunders
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4 years 4 months ago

A closed-door policy and media blackout is nearly always the usual course of action in private transactions, including those involving taxpayer money. It’s pretty common in the EU, and even here in the US, some aspects of transactions that could be adversely affected by widespread broadcast — property sales and similar negotiations immediately come to mind — are exempt from the usual open-government laws.

Let the talkers talk. If there’s an agreement, or not, it will come out. Better one correct report than a dozen breathless blurbs citing rumors about mystery buyers…

BMW Rider
Member
4 years 4 months ago
“BUT, who of you actually showed support then and signed on the dotted line?” Well I did, I was in process of ordering another 9-3 convertible then production stopped, then I waited, then I got a 9-5 (before 12/19/11) and kept ,my ’08 vert. That all said if I support the new owner of Saab or not depends on how they support me and my 2011 9-5 which support is pretty dicey, good thing the car is good. I’m not as worried about my remaining 9-3’s but support has to be there too to get me back in another Saab… Read more »
LG Aero
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4 years 4 months ago
Well said. The concept that a “new” Saab company only provides support “new” models will be flawed. Of course it is easy enough to see that providing parts will succeed for the orphan models because parts profits are lucrative. But support includes ongoing software updates, service training and interactive support for dealers and mechanics. And it includes support for owners along with some basic warranties. Remember that the very parts suppliers that finished off old Saab made money by increasing the price of the parts they sold Saab to allow for their warranty for defective parts. They have now had… Read more »
zippy
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4 years 4 months ago

I wonder what JCs 9-3 (900?) actually looked like. I am guessing it was fantastic and hope we all get to see it one day. 🙂

phermansson
Member
4 years 4 months ago

It takes some getting used to, I still haven’t gotten used to it…

Jeroen
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I need to repeat myself here, since Tim does that as well 😉 It was awesome if you ask me. I really, really liked it. Think Saab 900, Porsche Panamera and the Jaguar XJ thrown in a blender, topped off with a touch of Audi A7. Like it? 😉

Daryl
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4 years 4 months ago
I have been driving Saab since 1999, with my first 900. Currently I have a nice 2007 9-5 TiD estate; I’ve loved all of my Saabs. I have been following these blogs daily as the future of Saab means much more to me than I could have rationally imagined. In the process of watching and reading, I’ve had a range of feelings – from delight to complete disappointment. As such, as we near closure, (personally) I would much rather a Saab that managed to retain it’s visual identity and celebrate those idiosyncratic quirks that me want my car. Without those… Read more »
xelav
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4 years 4 months ago

Just came back from the Barcelona F1 grandprix, about a 1500km drive, with aV70 D5 geartronic. Hurts to say, but what a nice car to drive. Saab better hurry up!

lundin
Member
4 years 4 months ago
I know, but you cant say that here without getting crucified and that is why i more or less gave up posting here. Saab is Saab, drivers car and IMHO timeless design but Volvos recent attempts is not bad and calling them Ovlov and trying to make fun of them w/o even driving their line-up (i suspect) is not getting Saab anywhere, never had and never will.My recommendation is like your did, go out and drive different cars (incl volvo) and we can have a chat. Sure, they are far from perfect IMHO and not a Saab, but bad..haha no… Read more »
RS
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4 years 4 months ago
Lundin, don’t take the ovloV stuff too personally (ever though you work for V now 😉 ). It’s more about brotherly rivalry than anything else. Like in sports. Go ask a ManU fan what they think of Liverpool, or how many Steelers fans love the Patriots and you’ll be stoned. I know a few people driving cars made by the Geely owned company in Sweden who think Saabers are total d-bags, but everyone is entitled to their opinion 🙂 To be honest if Saab would disappear from the face of the earth and we’d have to buy a new car… Read more »
lundin
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4 years 4 months ago
Hi RS, Yeah, you are right (of course=)) (btw i just re-read my post above, damn did i had a bad day or what ;)). Anyway, you have a valid point. I suspect being in Manchester, UK, these days and wearing a red Man U Shirt will get you some reallly nasty comments… But i think you are spot on. In fact i think there are very few Saab customers out there willing to buy what every may come.However there are many, “illoyal”, brand X car customer out there looking for what car to buy.To think that Saab only needs… Read more »
RS
Member
4 years 4 months ago

Maybe this is also the opportunity to gather the ‘dream team’ for SAAB to build the modern version of this one (incl. a wagon variant) after all the sales process hassle is behind us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XV_K1pGjE

And yes I agree. Healthy competition is a good thing as long as SAAB and Volvo target the rest of the world. Not just each other.

Jeff
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4 years 4 months ago

Back in the country after a long, long trip. Great points Till (damn autocorrect), completely agree and will write a follow up shortly.

Allan B
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4 years 4 months ago
This is how I see it. These are private, tough negotiations by serious people, vying for control of a business that has now become infamous for entailing great risk – but potentially much, much greater rewards. Sure it has been frustrating not to know who the winner is yet, but there’s no point stamping our feet like spoiled brats because we, the general public, are not being kept in the loop. Until the deal is concluded and the parties involved decide to make it public it is, at an official level, none of our business – and nor should it… Read more »
simonswisssaab
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4 years 4 months ago
Time is not the most important of elements here. Number one is the securing of a deal that absolutely this time around must ensure a long-term future for our beloved SAAB. Whether that deal is for a single owner or a conjoint project that does not matter. As owners of Saab cars we all must demand that the heritage is carried forward in the shape of new cars that we can be proud of in the broadest sense. A much broader choice of cars will be needed. One thing Iwill say is that I personally wish that the SAAB name… Read more »
RS
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4 years 4 months ago
Baver
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4 years 4 months ago

I saw that on TTELA. It is about time, although I’m not confident in a positive outcome. I contacted all of my congresspeople here in the US and got one form email back in late January. Better late than never for the union….

Eric G
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4 years 4 months ago

Quand nous sommes impatients, lisons cet article ;o)

leriksso
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4 years 4 months ago

thx till72 for a informative reading

davidgmills
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4 years 4 months ago
At this point, I just wonder what kind of business plan any of the buyers could realistically come up with. If GM is totally out of it, and the Phoenix is a couple of years off with perhaps many of the key designers and engineers gone with key computerized componentry on someone’s hard drive or CD that is now gone, what do you start with if you are Mahindra or Youngman? You got no gas engines unless you get BMW back on board and since I am in the US, I don’t know where they would get diesels from. Just… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 4 months ago
Mahindra has access to vehicle platforms/engines from partnerships. It wouldn’t surprise me to see a Chinese product rebadged as a Saab—-the other option was/is to use the existing 9-3 with a couple minor changes and offer that. Those are the realistic ways to get product in showrooms relatively quickly. Otherwise, Saab hibernates like a cicada. When they come back, it’s anyone’s guess who will be left to support the brand—-and getting new buyers will be like pulling teeth from a lion. It’s why a fast resolution and the most minimal of delays was the best way to move forward. Alas,… Read more »
davidgmills
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4 years 4 months ago

Saab is at its best tweaking someone else’s car. But there are limits. I don’t know if any of the Asian designs could be tweaked well enough to attract interest in Europe or the US.

ady c
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I keep checking this website daily hoping that I’ll read the headline “Mahindra buy Saab”. Can’t be too much longer now till we get an announcement.

Whoever buys Saab, I think the best thing to do is to immediately allocate funds to an extensive facelift of the 9-5 assuming GM allow the new Saab the technology, if GM won’t play ball then I think hibernation with perhaps a new concept car rolled out at every motorshow is the way forward.

Angelo V.
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4 years 4 months ago
If GM plays ball—-I don’t even think there would need to be much of a facelift to the 9-5 (or 9-4) as they were barely brought to market when Saab imploded. A few new colors would be nice—-maybe some very minor changes on the exterior/interior (badging and wheel styles for example). But I doubt GM will be playing ball—-which might leave the 9-3 as an option and that would require some quick re-tooling to freshen the design. I know people are down on the 9-3 as too old—-no excitement left—-etc. I still believe that line (convertible, sportwagon and sedan) could… Read more »
ady c
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4 years 4 months ago
I only reckon that a facelift is needed just for the new company to say to the world that “Saab are back and under new ownwership and will be here to stay”. A facelift, featuring a new design direction would achieve this in my opinion. I agree though, the 9-5 doesn’t really need a facelift, it’s just that I think it may be needed to help change peoples perceptions. Same applies to the 9-3, but the 9-3 has had too many facelifts already and would need a Golf mk6/mk5 style change with every panel new but same structure underneath. That… Read more »
Angelo V.
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4 years 4 months ago
If GM plays ball—-I don’t even think there would need to be much of a facelift to the 9-5 (or 9-4) as they were barely brought to market when Saab imploded. A few new colors would be nice—-maybe some very minor changes on the exterior/interior (badging and wheel styles for example). But I doubt GM will be playing ball—-which might leave the 9-3 as an option and that would require some quick re-tooling to freshen the design. I know people are down on the 9-3 as too old—-no excitement left—-etc. I still believe that line (convertible, sportwagon and sedan) could… Read more »
100%Saab
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4 years 4 months ago

2008 9-3 SS with 43,000 miles and 2009 9-3 XWD with 16,500 miles. No rush. I’m cool.
Just a thought.

Aerobic
Member
4 years 4 months ago

I see from the UK site http://www.saabtechtalk that IG Metall have approached President Obama over the existing licence agreement.

http://www.saabtechtalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=1493.msg12615

Aerobic
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4 years 4 months ago

I think that should be IF Metall

Robert Brumm
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4 years 4 months ago

I know I am ready for a new SAAB in my stable. Let’s get to it. :b

Grumpy
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4 years 4 months ago
I guess the only question pertinent to answer is wether they have a fixed sum or if they are charging by the hour. There is a tendency to believe that highly educated persons are more honest than, let’s say your average plummer or electrician. If they are on a fix rate I assume they are trying to wrap this up as soon as possible, if not, well then it is a question of honesty and greed. Sweden is a small country and although there are a few big companies in Sweden there is no real experience from the scale of… Read more »
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