A Slap In The Face – Time To Saab Up

I thought about trying to tone down the title of this post, but I couldn’t think of something to replace it with that would get my feelings out right. In the past few weeks I have been watching as the sale of Saab takes shape. In that time I have witnessed some truly remarkably sad comments from various comments and blogs that have left me somewhat stunned and shocked that we can pass judgement so quickly with nothing to base it on. Like the saying goes, don’t judge a book by it’s cover, hell we don’t even have a cover yet. When it was announced that NEVS was the purchaser of Saab, I saw comments like Saab is dead and predictions like this will never work. What will never work? How is Saab more dead then it was a day ago? Other comments like an electric Saab is no Saab, says who? One can never underestimate the engineers, designers and the absolute know how at Saab.

This all got me to thinking again about what Saab is. To me Saab is a car that is built from the inside out and all about the driver, comfort and safety with a hell of a lot of performance. To build a car like this, you need great engineers and an unbelievable talent pool to achieve the achievements they have over the years. Many of these workers have worked for Saab for too many years to count and have been a part of all the success that Saab has had over the years. I will never forget delivering a NG 9-5 and posting on our dealer Facebook page about it and having someone from the Saab plant comment and say “I hope we did a good job”. To me things like this show the commitment and dedication to the brand that the workers at Saab have and is not something easily duplicated.

These workers that in my mind are a part of what Saab is as much as the car have been building beautiful cars in Trollhättan since 1948 and will continue to build cars there for the foreseeable future. Some workers have found other jobs, true, but there are still plenty of skilled workers to take spots within the Saab factory.

We sit here and judge just based on the little bits of information that we have seen and I ask myself, why or better yet how are we judging anything? Through the last year with trying to sell part of Saab to Youngman, the bankruptcy process and all the “factors” that stood in the way, we craved information and rarely got anything concrete or definitive. Within the first few days of an announcement, we were told of some of the plans of NEVS, we were told of the plans of Saab Parts under the direction of the NDO, we have had confirmation of body panels for the NG 9-5 being produced again and NEVS has even posted a job listing. We have had more real news and good news in the last 5 days then we did through the whole bankruptcy process. How do we pass judgement so quickly when it seems like the ball is already rolling?

Things are starting to fall into place and I’m sure there are still some big news items to be announced shortly. Considering where we’ve been and where we are, I consider it to be like a slap in the face to the people of Saab that put their everything into the cars we love and enjoy to even think for a minute that Saab is dead or that a car built by NEVS will never be a Saab. How can we think that way when we haven’t seen a single thing produced by them and who do we pretend to be in think that we are the be all to end all in what is Saab? I hope I never come across as someone who thinks they know it all or that I can see into the future because I don’t and I can’t.

All I know right now is that we have a buyer in the form of NEVS and they seem to be doing things in a way that I would have hoped them to do. NEVS through the deal, also bought all of the production facilities back and if I remember from the Spyker days, the facility was hugely under utilized and had room for a lot more then just the cars they produced. What does that mean? Maybe nothing, but maybe that is a huge piece of the puzzle. I strongly urge people that even as others may make decisions to leave the Saab world or watch from a distance, don’t be swayed, sit back and watch things unfold. We won’t know until we know what this company will look like going forward and I will continue to be an optimist through it all and thankfully, I am not alone.

EuroDriver
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Great post, I will admit I was among the dissenters. But realizing that ANYTHING is better then no Saab at all, has put me on the NEVS boat. I just hope NEVS will keep the name and brand spirt alive. LONG LIVE SAAB!

Gregg Eisenstein
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4 years 3 months ago

I believe NEVS is absolutely on the right track. http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx Tesla Motors is going to produce 20,000 cars and they are a start up! SAAB will be a leader in the very near future

Chicago Fred
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4 years 3 months ago
I understand your point of view. But the reality is that Saab as we knew it is dead. DEAD. It has been dead for a long time–ever since, despite Victor Mullers efforts, the assembly line came to an abrupt halt. My fervent hope is that an innovative and interesting car company will emerge–but, for those in the market for a car that meets the SAAB criteria have to look elsewhere. Volvo, Audi–whatever. Nothing is out there like a SAAB, but SAAB buyers have to move on to other vehicles that will fill the bill. I saw a new 9-5 driving… Read more »
Niklas G
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4 years 3 months ago
> for those in the market for a car that meets the SAAB criteria have to look elsewhere No matter what the Saab criteria is for you, you’re of course right about the new cars for sale today, but “dead” means forever, and you cannot possible know everything about the Phoenix platform, what Castriota & guys made of it and what it will be refined to by the engineers that NEVS are about to hire. If Saab for you is “something with a shitload of horsepowers that runs on Diesel, petrol, E85 or gas”, THEN you might already now have… Read more »
Niklas G
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4 years 3 months ago
My reply seemed to disappear, but in short, my words to Fred were that OK, the last generation GM-Saabs might be “dead” because GM have teclared an absolute refusal to share GM technology with any new owner, so one gegenration of GM-Saabs gets lost there and nobody (except GM) likes it, but “dead” means forever, and you cannot today say that about the Saab brand and what it stands for. That depends entirely on what Castriota & guys did with the Phoenix platform and what refinements of it that engineers in Trollhättan will make in the next couple of years.… Read more »
Niklas G
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4 years 3 months ago

>anyone to release
should have been “anyone to judge”. Sorry for that and some other typos. 🙂

troy
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Chicago fred is right. The new Saab is basically a totally different company. I guess the current 9-3 could be used as an EV, but that car is also already being used by BAIC in China. The Saab family tree I’m used to has just ended with the 2011 models. I’ll have to wiat and see what this new company NEVS roles off the line.

liftarn
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Isn’t the BAIC version based on the first generation (1998–2002) 9-3?

Mark
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Nope, it’s the pre facelifted version of the 9-3SS (pre 2007). BAIC also has the rights to OG9-3 hatch but hasn’t shown any cars yet.

Scott Emerson
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Very good post Jason! Well timed and tempered. It astounds me that so many people that lamented the shutdown of Saab, and waited on the edge of their seats for a buyer to come along, would be so quick to become naysayers. After all, isn’t it Saabs build quality, comfort, innovation, and overall welxl balanced driving experience what makes us all choose Saab? It seems to me that Saab may just be in the best hands possible, given the urgency to be rid of the insatiable need for fossil fuels. It won’t be easy, but I really feel that the… Read more »
100%Saab
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4 years 3 months ago

So, for NEVS to sell a Saab they have to make it first. I’m waiting.

Niklas G
Member
4 years 3 months ago
+1 Someone have just revived Saab, wants to hire back staff to develop and make a new generation of Saabs in Trollhättan, seems to have the money to do it and a business plan that could fly or sink, nobody can tell without saying, but there’s only one way to find out, and that’s the best we could hope for as long as they are more busy executing that business plan than more superficial things like updating their web pages and leaking rumours about things they plan to do but haven’t yet paid for or finished negotiations about. It might… Read more »
saabdog
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4 years 3 months ago

From many of the posts I’ve seen, long time SU followers have written reasoned and well thought out responses for not wanting a 100% Saab EV line up, including myself. Why would you insult so many Saab enthusiasts who happen to have a genuine disagreement with you? Never thought i’d see SU turn into an autocratic one opinion must fit all forum. For the record, I’m not a troll. I’m a Saab enthusiast who wants to see Saab succeed even if I happen to disagree with some people on this blog.

SaabLife
Member
4 years 3 months ago

+1

I’m one for reason and the actuality of a situation, so being critical of a situation does not equate turning our backs on our brand, it just means we have much higher expectations than what has been presented to us; and that we’re hoping for something much better than an 100% electric line-up.

guy davidson
Member
4 years 3 months ago

well said saabdog…it did seem like Mussolini on his balcony a bit. It seems to me in the last six months very little suggested in this blog has come true..anything can happen – that phrase “anything can happen” would be better than the way Jason talked down to the nonbelievers.

phermansson
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4 years 3 months ago
I think you misinterpret the position we’re in greatly! This is not a one-opinion place, but its neither a place for people who over and over try to bash and talk down an issue without the real and full facts on the matter. Present your arguments well, based on facts, in a structured matter and do it once and you won’t have any issues from us, more to the opposite, we would welcome it! Being for example Angelo V who posts 15-20 comments per day sometimes saying more or less exactly the same thing in every comment as he has… Read more »
Nate 9-3
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4 years 3 months ago
+1 Indeed I feel that critical thought has lost out to fanboi-ism here of late. Let’s face it, the deal that we have is simply better than nothing. It’s not great. Most people would really not want this deal unless it was the alternative to having SAAB die. Nevermind how we got here (politics), the lack of market demand for the product (politics and economics) and the fact that all we have to go on is the little bit that NEVS has told us. BTW – SU should really consider their actions when they admonish people for speaking before they… Read more »
saabyurk
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4 years 3 months ago

Nice post Jason. I’m just hoping they make a deal with someone to produce a low carbon Phoenix-based car. I would be in heaven if they resurrected the 1974 Project ULF, the 9 cyl, 250 hp steam engine. From the article: “it required minimal fossil fuels and included miniscule carbon emissions.” Now wouldn’t that get the turbo crowd in a tizzy? 🙂
Source: www_dot_saabhistory_dot_com/2008/04/04/the-nine-cylinder-saab-steam-engine/

OddJob
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4 years 3 months ago

9-cylinder steam engine! I like that outside-the-box thinking. I believe steam engines deliver full torque from 0 rpm.

Snowshoe
Member
4 years 3 months ago

One problem with a steam engine is the time it takes to heat up the engine before starting.
By starting to run the vehicle on battery with an electric engine you have more time to heat up the steam before the power is needed.

This would be quite a different hybrid ;.-)
Perhaps something for the future where you have a steam engine with a generator in your camper to provide electricty for the camper when living in it. When you have the camper behind your EV the camper can then provide energy for the car.
LOL

liftarn
Member
4 years 3 months ago

In the 70s Saab solved it by storing air pressure in a tank so when you started the car it would run on that until steam pressure was built up. It also used a flash boiler so starting times would have been about as diesel cars of that era.

Cliff Story
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4 years 3 months ago
I remember the howls of outrage when the V4 supplanted the 2-stroke engine, the rending of garments when the freewheeling went away, and so forth. The only thing sure is change, folks, and we have a choice: complain and resist, or embrace and assist. Saabs have always been innovative and different (less so, perhaps, during the GM years); why should we expect anything predictable? I’ve been driving and servicing Saabs for 43 years, and I’m just glad to see some positive stuff happening again. Someone’s going to make interesting electric vehicles: why not Saab? If the folks in Trollhattan have… Read more »
bpsorrel
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4 years 3 months ago

+93! 🙂

900_S
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4 years 3 months ago

+1!

Tilley
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4 years 3 months ago

You are not alone.

+9000

davidgmills
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4 years 3 months ago
When I saw your title about slap in the face, I thought it was going to be about NEVS slapping all of us in the face. Personally I don’t have any trouble with the Swedish government wanting to use Saab as its laboratory for electric cars. But I think the problem simply will be that if Saab is primarily electric, Saab will be dead for most of us. If it produces a hybrid (soon) it may not. Electric, and even hybrid technology, pose so many problems for so many past owners. Many would like to consider the brand in the… Read more »
emmany3
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4 years 3 months ago
“…I saw comments like Saab is dead and predictions like this will never work. What will never work? How is Saab more dead then it was a day ago? Other comments like an electric Saab is no Saab, says who? One can never underestimate the engineers, designers and the absolute know how at Saab.” First, thank you for your post. I’m with you and totally agree! No one knows what NEVS has planned. Stating “Saab is dead” within hours (or even minutes) after their purchase announcement is just not fair to NEVS. Second, your quote, “How is Saab more dead… Read more »
Johan Olofsson
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4 years 3 months ago

+1000

SaabKen
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I found this old Saab post dated 1967 (it was printed on punch cards off of a mainframe computer):

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RE: new four-stroke Ford V4 to be introduced in 1967 model year 96
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Oh my God, SAAB IS DEAD. SAAB IS DEAD !!!!!!!

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Per-Erik
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4 years 3 months ago
…over the years, I think that’s how it’s been many many times. Maybe one of the major caracter traits of a SAAB-nut is that we are very, very conservative. We like our SAABs: don’t change them!?!? I have often heard comments like “a SAAB with a four stroke engine is no SAAB at all” or “a SAAB without on-the-column shifting, is no SAAB at all” or “constructed together with italians” or “with GM parts”… but eventually, all of these SAABs have been accepted into our fold, as fully worthy members of the family. It is ironic that a brand that… Read more »
Per-Erik
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4 years 3 months ago

i don’t dive around… I DRIVE around… 😛

MichelD
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4 years 3 months ago
Very good article Jason. I read about people not very happy with EVs. Those vehicles may not be for everybody, but could meet the needs of a lot of people. We owns 2 SAABs and one of them could be electric. With the SAAB engineers and the know how of the employees, i’m very confident they will come up with great and original products. In terms of EVs, I’m confident that NEVS know what they are doing and with the government regulations in the new few years, it is better to be in the from row that a follower. Performance… Read more »
zippy
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4 years 3 months ago

I still say NEVS wont be allowed to use the Saab name. 🙁

SaabLife
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Certainly is something that should be determined sooner than later.

Wonder what the guys over at Saab AB are thinking about this issue..I’m sure they don’t want the name to be associated with something that might have a chance of failure again.

hans h
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Are you saying this because you KNOW it, or because you like to salt wounds?

Baver
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Hoping, once again, that rumors of an alliance with M&M come to fruition soon.

GerritN
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4 years 3 months ago
Dear Jason, I know that you are trying to carefully word your disappointment with the apparent lack of enthusiasm for NEVS that (quite a lot) commentators on SU are displaying. However, you cannot deny all these people _their_ disappointment with the fact that they probably will never see new Saabs of the kind that they have enjoyed for sometimes many, many years. Also, the chance that we see the cars that NEVS is going to make in, for instance, in the US in the near future is pretty much zero. NEVS already stated that China will be their main market,… Read more »
ryanonsrc
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4 years 3 months ago
I think we can all agree that there is always room for well-reasoned debate and some criticism. And I completely understand that folks need to vent their frustrations. But, what Jason (as well as I) are opposed to is the fact that people seemed to be standing in-line to declare Saab as “dead”. That’s not venting. That’s knee-jerk speculation, and it’s simply not true. I can make a list of all the truly dead automakers: Packard Oldsmobile Pontiac Hummer .. etc Why are they dead? Because there was little fanfare, when they were extinguished. No worldwide protests or convoys. No,… Read more »
hans h
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4 years 3 months ago
I agree with you. And with Jason. All this “Saab is DEAD”-outrage is misplaced. Saab is not dead. Just hibernating (and I’m not channelling Monty Python here). As ryanonsrc pointed out, there are automakers that are truly dead, and then there are the hibernating ones with too strong brands to die, like MG (and Saab, of course). Some of those keep coming back alive again and again, like Bugatti. I think Skoda was quite “dead” some years ago. Is it “undead” now? The point is: DEAD is too strong a word. We don’t want to see Saab as a Zombie… Read more »
leriksso
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4 years 3 months ago

If skoda invested in EV’s ONLY, then you would have probably got that right.

Maarten
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Nice post. Although I still smell a lot of pessimism in the air. To people who say that Saab is dead for sure now: For me personally the biggest plus for loving Saab is the community. Here in the Netherlands a lot of Saab drivers, regardless of make/model/state that the car is in, wink or wave at each other because they know they are probably passing a Saab enthusiast. The Saabclub is very much alive, the Saab forum as well. I am a student and don’t own a Saab but I know (or at least I knew) that when I… Read more »
lmg
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4 years 3 months ago
Good post. We all want SAAB and Trollhättan to succeed. But I wonder, what’s left to discuss here at SU if we cannot discuss NEVS, its business plan and outlooks? As NEVS is the successful bidder for the SAAB estate, does that automatically means that all visitors to SU must give NEVS their 100% support? Everyone knows that NEVS just started their resurrection of SAAB and we yet only have bits and pieces of information. However, why should we not discuss the information we already got? In my mind it has to be ok to question the validity of the… Read more »
SpinM
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4 years 3 months ago
Actually it’s pretty dificult to have a meaningfull discussion as we lack so much information. It’s been only a couple of days from when we learned that NEVS is the one to buy Saab property and they haven’t communicated to Saab fans (yet?). Then there are some bad “omens”: – NEVS is not interested in buying Saab Automobile Parts AB, which implies that they do not care about current Saab owners. – Priority market is China, while Europe and US + Canada are second in line at best. – NEVS does not look likely to communicate with Saab community (?).… Read more »
Eric
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I have also seen negative comments about Saab since NEVS’s purchase.
I didn’t like them either.
Saab isn’t dead. During the bankruptcy, Saab was in a coma & since its purchase, is slowly showing signs of waking up.
Saab’s current transition into other propulsioned cars is like a snake shedding it’s skin.

Long Live SAAB!!! 🙂
\m/

Marino from Belgium
Member
4 years 3 months ago
I am not so happy for the moment . On the Nevs website they only mention full EV cars. I would really like to have a Saab Hybrid car ( think this is te future ) . A car driving electric in the city but driving on diesel or petrol on the highway. I really hope something like that will also be part of the Saab future . If you see Audi winning Le Mans 2012 on a hybrid car i think we will see a lot of Audi Hybrids in the near future. Try to do that with an… Read more »
wfg
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Good post, though I cannot share your optimism anymore and I, personally, think everyone is allowed to express her/his opinion and should not be blamed for that. Why I am not optimistic? Its because everything “positive” I read lately was that NEVS bought the Saab estate, the Saab machines,….but I never read NEVS bought Saab. They dont even wanted obviously the Saab Parts company…does that not mean something. For my point of view this makes the difference! Indeed you can makes something new out of the machines that made Saab in the past, and even just EV cars is an… Read more »
Khrisdk
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4 years 3 months ago

I don’t really think that Saab died or will die in any near future. It just changed again
A lot of people will not get what they dreamed off.
Probably a lot of these people are also people who did not get what they wanted in the now vintage/Ltd. edition NG9-5

I will drive my current Saab for a long time yet.
So I have the time to wait and see.
At the moment I just like the thought that there will be production at Thn.

LarsG
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Please no premature conclusions. Sit down take it easy or buy a used SAAB when waiting for new SAAB to be built.

peeceepeh
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Thanks for this post. I fully support your view. I do not wish that NEVS will be assisted (or replaced) by M&M (the sweets company?). Rather, I sit back and enjoy the story of SAAB going on… and on…and on. Right now, I guess that the folks at the Guiness book of world records need to replace cats by SAAB when it comes to the number of lifes… Someday, maybe I will buy an electric SAAB, be it fully electric, batteries or fuel cell, or hybrid. I wouldn’t care as long as it’ll be beautiful, safe, functional, and distinct. Just… Read more »
Marino from Belgium
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I wonder if NEVS already contacted SU . Muller did this and was impressed by the comunity. The least they can do is give us , the current Saab drivers a bit more feedback about the future.

phermansson
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I’m in contact with NEVS!

hans h
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I like that. 🙂

till72
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4 years 3 months ago

Me too! lol

zippy
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Me three. 🙂

SaabKen
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4 years 3 months ago
peo24
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4 years 3 months ago

There has been a lot off talking about electric cars ore patrol cars. It has no meaning too me. If its a car build in Trollhattan with the old SAAB spirit its still a SAAB to me. Remember SAAB is only a name. A SAAB car is a car built from people who dedicate there whole life to create the most wonderful car in the world. Remember in 2009 SAAB had a 93 in Geneve who could go 300 km before reloading.

phermansson
Member
4 years 3 months ago

The best comment I’ve seen yet! Saab is the people, the ideas… not just the name and a concept…

StephenJ
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Agreed! The reason we all love our SAABs is for their soul. The mechanisms under the hood and fuel type are simply a means to that end. A SAAB car is more than just the sum of its parts, and the company is more than just any one person/car/idea!

mikaik
Member
4 years 3 months ago
When Saab was still alive, two years ago, I don’t remember seeing any post condemning the negativity directed against the new 9-5. All those sickening comments, mostly based on the idea the car’s not worth buying because of a piece of plastic inside… But now, when the prospect of Saab, as we knew it, is indeed very faint, the scepticism is suddenly sanctioned. We had real cars back then, not just a plan. And yet, to some of the people on SU, things seem more set in stone now…don’t know where this certainty comes from, but I’m afraid is not… Read more »
Goedhart
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I’m waiting and hoping for a new saab era that blows all of our socks of.
Wouldn’t it be great to have a electric car that drives far enough and environment friendly,distinctive,responsive,air-crafted, aviation technology,fuelling change, pure power, SAAB move your mind imagination takes flight,

boxman
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Jason, I think you are right, I have been very vocal about my displeasure about the sale to NEVS, I guess I have spent the last 6 months hoping that Saab would be sold to a company that would carry on where Saab AB stopped, I know that this was a big task but I held on to that hope, the other issue is the lack of information being released by NEVS so no one really knows what will happen, press releases like “we dont know if we will use the Saab name” didnt help, in the cold light of… Read more »
Ken H
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4 years 3 months ago

To all naysayers: the future is not behind us

SaabKen
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Exactly !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flge_rw6RG0

“Where we’re going, we don’t need ………… gasoline !” 😉
.

Mark
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Unfortunately the Mr. Fusion portable reactor is not available yet.

nils
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Thanks for this post Jason!

Remember that many of Saab’s core customers of the 1980’s now drive Priuses and the like.

Wishing NEVS and Saab all the best, my next new car will be electric, even if I need to wait many years to get what I wish for.

Quixcube
Member
4 years 3 months ago

That’s so true. If Saab owners were stereotypically college professors as I’ve heard said over and over again then they are all driving Priuses right now. The parking lots at the university I work at are full of them. We see more than a few Nissan Leafs around too, which I attribute directly to the academic crowd in town.

Health
Member
4 years 3 months ago

The problem with NG 9-5 is that it was too big and luxurious for a SAAB (and too expensive). They targeted to rival Audi but it was never going to work, simply not their marketplace and too brave for surviving company. What they need is new 9-3, as 9-3 was always main source of cash and Phoenix to boost marque’s value. I think NEVS is doing everything right.

sxv
Member
4 years 3 months ago
There is a lot of talk about fact these days, maybe the SU crew knows more than the rest of us, if not then my view is as likely to happen as anybody else. NEVS where quit clear on the press conference that there will only be EV in the future, no hybrids, no petrol and no diesel. That to me is clear fact, unless they where withholding the truth, witch I doubt. Me driving a SAAB has nothing to do with the fact that is named SAAB. I drive it because it’s the car that fulfill my expectations in… Read more »
veljkopopovic
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4 years 3 months ago
Great one … 😉 As far as I am concerned, I like good cars … I can say ‘ I do not like electric cars’ but what I mean is: I did not like electric cars I saw or experienced so far … What will SAAB make? I do not know … If it is going to be a great car beside the fact it is electric: what a hell, yes I’d like to try one … All of us, SAAB fans, are here because SAAB always had been alternative point of view, most of population thinks different, so they… Read more »
leriksso
Member
4 years 3 months ago
I worked at SAAB for 10 years and liked it very well. There was a spirit that can not be described and a cohesion that did not exist anywhere else. Now that everything is completed, …but for me still pretty sad. The entire treatment feels as prearranged, and that other bidders were deceived by the administrators, when it seemed that they had been ordered to give SAAB to NEVS regardless of other bids. In fact, I am very doubtful that this will work. There is something thats not right with this… 1. Having a factory to build the batteries and… Read more »
TonymacUK
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Your thoughts re the business plan mirror mine. This whole deal has had a bad smell to it since we first heard of NEVS.

900jubileum
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I really hope that Saab can be reborn in a few years! Until then I continue drive my Saab 9-5 – 99 and the 99 turbo – 80, I will never stop driving Saab!

zippy
Member
4 years 3 months ago

🙂

I am looking at a 9-3SS TiD 2.2. They say the engines on those things are built to last to 300000 miles but the down sde being they arent as economical as the 1.9TiD.

sxv
Member
4 years 3 months ago

I would go with a 1,9 any day, more economical, better performance and more fun to drive. If possible I would try to get a 1,9 TTid and as new as possible because they get better mileage for every year. I owned a 2008 Aero TTid and this past weekend I had a 2010 Aero TTid as a loner, better on fuel than my previous one.

Jarkko
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Some can stay with old Saabs but I am forced to renew my leasing contract early next year. So it’s no brainer for me – I must purchase my next company car from some one else than Saab. Simple.

The next time I can look for a Saab is then in around 2017. Perhaps they make a Saab by then ….

chris benten
Member
4 years 3 months ago

SAAB is not just a car, it is a lifestyle and way of thinking. SAAB was first in so many technologies that are standard today that I fully expect the SAAB culture to reinvent the electric car paradigm.

Eleven
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Good post Jason, our minds should be totally open, after all, Saab has a heritage for bringing both innovative and inspirational cars to market, why can’t they do it again with the right owner supporting them.

Looking forward, I hope we’ll have not only our ‘original’ Saabs, but also Saabs for a new generation, I’ll be waiting.

hughw
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4 years 3 months ago
Saab will no doubt be a very different company and a very different car and probably appeal to a very different group of customers when this is all over. That’s life. It’s happened before as many of you’ve said. The change from 2 strokes to 4. Moving upmarket and in many ways away from its roots. The 9-5NG, a large car which many felt went way beyond what a Saab should be. And like many of you, i have no idea whether Saab (if it;s called Saab) will ever produce a car that meets my needs. But as I’ve said… Read more »
onlysaab
Member
4 years 3 months ago
I think that one thing that is getting lost in this whole finger pointing/name calling/disagreement is the passionate feelings we all share for Saab. I was speaking to a coworker yesterday (who has never driven or owned a Saab) about the fact that I am a member of this group and a little bit about my love of Saabs. His response was like “why, whats the point?. Its just a car.” (in interest of disclosure he drives a Lexus) Hearing got me to thinking. The truly amazing thing about the Saab community is that we all so badly want Saab… Read more »
JTMav
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4 years 3 months ago
I, too appreciate the tone of the post but in reality it’s a real stretch to think the Saab all of us enthusiasts supported is going to be revived. Remember when VM took over the company and there were rallys worldwide he pledged to make Saab what it was and actually listened to the customer base, hiring Swade etc. NEVS, and I admit we don’t know much yet but we know enough to see that the business model they are pursuing could be done with or without the Saab name(I haven’t heard yet if they secured it). They want the… Read more »
jond
Member
4 years 3 months ago
It appears at first sight that the NEVS purchase was financed by the Chinese Government in order to acquire for China a lead in EV technology, for which they can create and manipulate demand in their home market. ChiGov have endless funds to invest and need to do so abroad in order to service their huge trade surplus. There seems little need for a short-term profit motive. Therefore ask yourself, if you were on the Board of NEVS, what would be your mission? I guess that the first thing would be to make absolutely sure that you deliver the EV… Read more »
Skipper
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4 years 3 months ago

I am not an EV enthusiast! BUT……if Saab can make an EV that has a good range and fast charge time, that looks good and goes well ,then I may just change my mind! I am open to be persuaded, but the lack of information coming from NEVS is very frustrating indeed and it is not making NEVS too many friends either.

Eagle63
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Maybe much of the fairly negative responses from the Saab community can be explained by the fact that we tend to stick to our well thought out principles and beliefs, just like Saab used to do, especially in the pre-GM years. Also Saab has become synonymous with Turbo; a car that could hardly be more different than a Prius and most other electric/hybrid cars; ‘transportation-appliances-without-a-soul’ for people who are basically not very interested in cars.

But hopefully the New Saab will prove us wrong and come up with cars just as exciting as the 99 Turbo, 900C or 9000 Aero…

Greg
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Excellent post Jason. Was Saab dead when GM bought them and changed the entire look, platform, and drive train? Was Saab dead when the Saab engineers decided to go Turbo? If the Saab brand survives then Saab survives in whatever new iteration it becomes. This brand has been world leaders in technology and safety, this is what I hope they continue to do.

RAnderson
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4 years 3 months ago
Here’s The Bottom Line: A reborn SAAB can never hope to compete with VW/Audi, BMW, M-B and Japan & Korea, Inc with gas/diesel automobiles.They MUST seek a niche market and succeed there. EV, and hopefully also hybrid, is the only way out for SAAB now. Marketing must be to the worlds largest markets, #1 China/India #2 North America #3 EU, in that order, NEVS knows this. The comment about former SAAB drivers converting to Prius is spot on for USA/Canada, but pollution will be the big driver of EV sales in Asia, and it’s just now getting started. NEVS will… Read more »
JerseySaab
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4 years 3 months ago
They MUST seek a niche market and succeed there. That was the George Romney strategy with American Motors back in the day – “hit ’em where they ain’t” was his motto, seeking to outflank the Big 3 (GM, Ford, Chrysler) by building more compact and efficient models than the typical American fare of the time. Older folks from the U.S. will remember Romney’s public campaign against the “gas guzzling dinosaurs” and “trundling tanks” of his competitors. It worked — for a while, anyway. Then Romney left AMC to go into politics, the new management decided to take the Big 3… Read more »
RAnderson
Member
4 years 3 months ago

One more thing, the Prius factor points to a recent split of the SAAB market: the intellectual types who comprised much of the traditional SAAB market, and the performance seekers who migrated to the brand with the advent of the 99/900 Turbo. The the right EV/hybrid could bridge this seemingly irreconcilable difference!

SaabKen
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Have you seen the Lexus CT200h ? I see more and more of them now, they look quite good: I won’t pre-judge its driving dynamics since I’ve never driven one, and actually not likely to afford a new one anyway (base MSRP Cdn$31K), but if down the road gasoline gets to a really difficult price point, cars like these (or Highlander Hybrid) I would seriously consider as second vehicle (replacing my current 2006 Subaru Legacy wagon, which itself replaced my ’93 9000CSE). So yes, the “intellectual & educated” segment of the market that Saab used to appeal highly to are… Read more »
SaabKen
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Have you seen the new Lexus CT200h ? It’s a compact hybrid 5-dr hatchback resembling the Mazda 3 and Subaru Impreza (last-gen). It looks sharp to me on the roads, driven by people I would “categorize” as educated, intellectual & mid-/upper-class affluent. The very same folks who were drawn to SAAB in the ’80s and ’90s. Now they also drive TDI Audis and VWs. And when Volvo comes out with its own hybrids, you can bet your bottom dollar there’ll be more of these same customers headed to the Volvo showrooms. SAAB needs to make a GIANT LEAP in not… Read more »
SaabKen
Member
4 years 3 months ago

Why do some of my posts disappear ?

Daryl
Member
4 years 3 months ago
Tim quite rightly suggested that comments should be based upon facts. These are the facts from my point of view: – I have a lovely five year old 9-5 diesel hirsch estate, which I’ve had for a few years. I’ve driven tens of thousands of miles in it and usually I’d think about changing it for a newer Saab around this time (I was waiting for the ng 9-5 estate to be released in the UK). The value of my car has crumbled away to relatively nothing, which I consider is a tragic reflection of the current consumer “value” of… Read more »
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