US Saab Lot

There were some rumors a while ago that those 900 Saabs that are sitting in the port and are waiting to be auctioned by Ally could suffer from the salty air. I recently spoke to a guy who was over there to inspect those cars. He told me they were in perfect condition, just as they just left the factory. The vast majority of those cars is stored inside and therefore sheltered.

The few 9-4x and 9-3 convertibles already were sold to dealers in the US. Right now around 300 Saab 9-5, up to 250 Saab 9-3 SportSedan and roughly 80 Saab 9-3 SportCombi are for sale. Negotiations about the latter enter a final stage and it is still possibe that we might see some of them in Europe.

dcpattie
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I couldn’t imagine purchasing one of the 457 9-4X’s in the world. On one hand you would have a beautiful SUV, on the other you would have a parts nightmare.

I just had to replace the middle tail light section on my NG 9-5. Interestingly there was ONE spare part in the entire United States. And the cost for the item that ”should have” been covered under warranty…$475 + $100 in labor.

Now the US inventory for this part is…zero!

Red J
Member
4 years 2 months ago

As I’ve heard this part has availability problems everywhere, not only in the US.

Elias
Member
4 years 2 months ago

except for sweden. there are no problems with spare parts at all over here, or in scandinavia over all i believe.

rune
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I have had a part on order for near a year now. I’ve been told that it might surface in September.

There are between 10000 and 15000 tools spread amongst roughly 1000 suppliers. Saab Parts are working on taking control over the situation. I think they commented once that 9-4X was on their roadmap, but only they know for sure. The proof is in the pudding.

(see http://saabsunited.saabklubben.se/2012/06/saab-parts-would-like-to-cooperate-with-nevs.html for more on this)

spacy
Guest
4 years 2 months ago

I wonder how many of Saab Automobile AB ex suppliers’, knowing now they will likely get nothing from the bankruptcy, will actually want to work with Saab parts AB.

Let alone remake parts for existing Cars, they will probably loose the tooling.

rune
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I fear this dilemma is partly responsible for some parts not showing up.

But the receivers seem confident that the tools belong to the bankruptcy estate. I would be surprised if they aren’t correct.

So I believe we will see some suppliers replaced, and that all parts will eventually show up on the shelves.

spacy
Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Possession is 9/10th of the law
[An English saying].

Owing something does not mean they will get us of it, particularly if the suppliers chooses to say ‘Sue use, we’ll counter claim’.

Cannot see the administrators starting lots of Legal actions over ” defunct tooling ”!!.

rune
Member
4 years 2 months ago

There is no upside for a supplier in that situation. Pay legal bills just so they can sit on the tools out of spite?

It has been reported NEVS are looking into an EV version of the 9-3. If so, they will want either parts supplied, the tools and/or both.

OTOH, if a reluctant supplier plays nicely, they might be able to supply parts again to the new owner. Such an approach HAS a clear upside.

spacy
Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Re; ” if a reluctant supplier plays nicely”

That’s of course, assuming any ex supplier [that has lost tons of money previously, possibly twice now!!] will want to supply parts again…

Cash upfront was the way it was @ the end for Saab, so doubt it will be any different now.

scand
Member
4 years 2 months ago

… or the answer is “fine, you can have your part, but you are gonna pay 10x, 100x, 1000x the normal price for it. ”

if they wanted shift it to some other manufacturer, especially for NG9-5 or 9-4x stuff, there isnt any economic demand to justify even doing it, I wouldnt think.

rune
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Quadrupling of the price would have happened by now, don’t you think?

Saab Parts AB say they are in this for the long run. If they start overcharging (to the tune of 10x, or no less than 1000x!) their customers will stop take them seriously and their business model will fall apart.

Please don’t make a habit of spreading FUD.

scand
Member
4 years 2 months ago
Maybe they are still working off existing stock till this point. But, as someone else wrote; he just got the last NG9-5 tail light available in the US. There were only about 2000 9-5’s imported, of which there are probably still 500 or more unsold. So , whats the market for a taillight – or any other unique part – for that model, in reality? maybe in the 10’s, but certainly not 100’s. Now, given *that subsupplier* probably got hosed in the bankrupcy, to some degree, what chance is it that he gives a price anything close to what he… Read more »
rune
Member
4 years 2 months ago

…assuming that particular supplier even owns the tool(s) necessary to produce the part you mention.

Overcharge and someone else will be tempted to come up with alternatives.

spacy
Guest
4 years 2 months ago

10-20% increase in parts cost [let alone 10X/1000X] ]will be a disaster fro Saab parts & current owners.

Many must be considering how long they can keep their cars roadworthy, and God forbid there is an accident that needs ‘out of stock’ parts/panels.

I love the NG 9.5, but until the prices drop low, in about 3 years, I will not buy one.
The closes, I’ll buy is a very late dame edna 9.5, where the parts will be OK, even if you have to look for 2nd hand bits…

mnztr
Member
4 years 2 months ago

SAAB Parts is now owned by the Swedish govt. I don’t think they will not accept purchase orders form the Swedish govt.

Red J
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Elias,
I was referring to that special part. I know that more that 90% of all the parts are available from Saab parts.

Greg Bakos
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Could be an interesting problem if your car does not pass inspection and you cannot get a part.

E
Member
4 years 2 months ago
No issues obtaining any of the normal stuff for a 9-4X … windshield glass, wheels, air filter (GM anyway), oil filter, hood emblem, wipers. I haven’t wrecked ours to test the parts system, but I did have my dealer check on the other stuff above. We’re at 15K miles on it now and not a single issue. Love it, and I now find it kind of cool that there are only 456 others out there. 😉 Would have liked to see more made of course though … Perhaps a bunch of spare parts were made and are available since GM… Read more »
Harriet
Member
4 years 2 months ago

same story for me with a small piece that goes under the bumper – price is ridiculous and availability is nil – and that is the car that GM said they would continue to provide parts – I am so frustrated – I can’t imagine what is ahead.

Dan P
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I guess if you plan to keep your ng9-5 for a long time, and you are really, really dedicated, the only option is to buy another 9-5 in this firesale market and use it as a transplant car! Good luck guys.

guy davidson
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Its a tremendous privilege to own one of the 457 …. Odd but I took my wife to the cadillac dealer ( used to be Saab too) to test drive the new $60,000 XTS top of the line sedan… ironically I came away unimpressed thinking how perfect my 9-4x was in comparison. At funerals they always say – hug your children.. I have the same attitude about the 9-4x…. enjoying time with it however short.

E
Member
4 years 2 months ago

+1

Greg Bakos
Member
4 years 2 months ago

It will be very interesting to see what type of pricing the dealers have on the cars thatthey get their hands on. in one respect, it should be no higher than the 35% to 50% cut rates that they had when the cleared their final inventory earlier this year. But on the other hand, these are the last of a breed and could be in high demand. It will be nice to get them on the road rather than sitting with dead batteries.

Baracuda
Member
4 years 2 months ago

The Cars dont have dead batteries. The cars are moved from time to time. And the dead onces are replaced asap.

JM Gaitan
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I was at a dealer a week ago and I was looking at a NG 9-5, I would rather have a 9-3 – I told him, and he said that they just bought some from auction in New Jersey, “new” Saabs. They are asking 22-25K for them….

LarsG
Member
4 years 2 months ago

22-25K in US $? It looks lika a bargain for me if they are well equiped and new. It is about 150,000 to 175,000 SEK.

JM Gaitan
Member
4 years 2 months ago

They are 9-3’s – 2011’s

TGX4776
Member
4 years 2 months ago

where is this? I am ready to buy a new car and had been depressed that i couldn’t get a new saab.

E
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I know a dealership in Minneapolis bought a bunch of these Saabs at auction and they have already updated their website to reflect their new stock. They have them listed as “pre-owned” but the miles do vary from nearly none to 12,000 or so. They have 16 9-4Xs and 44 9-5s. Not many in the 9-3 department though. It doesn’t appear they bought any of those.

JM Gaitan
Member
4 years 2 months ago

they are in Ann Arbor Michigan – 2 2011 9-3’s one is basic. one is XWD.

2 9-5’s not advertised on the website.

Alastair
Member
4 years 2 months ago
Hi all, I have been silent for eons although observing many times per day. I have just (in the past hour) sanctioned my dealer to go ahead with a trade on my 9-5 2.3T HOT Wagon for a new unregistered 9-5 2.0T Aero which (I presume) made its way across to these shores quite recently from a dockside batch like this post. My own car has lost about 66% of its cost in 2.5 years but the new car has also been slashed by £10,760 so it probably balances out. Red J will be up to speed with this issue… Read more »
Quijote
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Anyone who is leasing a NG 9-5 or 9-4X has plenty of suitable reason to break their lease since terms of the leasing contract have been breached by Ally Financial which includes warranty coverage. Its their responsibility to honor warranty coverage since you don’t own the vehicle, they are the lien holder. Several of my attorney friends have talked about this situation, and if they were leasing any of the aforementioned vehicles, they sure as hell wouldn’t be in this situation and would’ve returned their lease before maturity.

I’m surprised this hasn’t happened yet.

fanofsaab
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Saab stopped leasing in 2008 in the US

Anders MKE
Member
4 years 2 months ago

SAAB stopped leasing vehicles Aug 2011. I currently have a 2011 SAAB 9-5 on a lease. When I asked Ally for the buy out price they wanted as much as the initial price. I would like to get out of my lease if I could. I have a Carbon Grey with Black interior loaded Turbo 4 premium.

KingRichardSaab
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I leased my 2010 Saab 9-3 in May of 2010, so they have leased since 2008.
Anders MKE, I trieid calling Ally Financial this past May, and I got NO WHERE with anyone about getting out of my lease. I would be more than happy to keep it, but if I end up with warranty issues, I think ALLY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, and again I went from my “rep” to another (3 times) and got NO WHERE!!
Anybody have any suggestions????

Quijote
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Hire an attorney.

KingRichardSaab
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Quijote,
Thanks, but I was hoping to avoid the “attorney” route.
I LOVE my Saab, but I don’t want to get stuck with repairs on top of paying a monthly payment!
Guess we want everything don’t we!

spacy
Guest
4 years 2 months ago

If and when you get to the point that needed new parts are not available, that is the point to contact Ally, and they will have to sort it out.

KingRichardSaab
Member
4 years 2 months ago
Terry, That was the scarey thing, When I contacted ALLY and I said as far as I was concerned that my lease was NULL and VOID because I didn’t have any manufacturer warranty on my car. They acted (well probably didn’t even know or want to know) that they didn’t even know what I was talking about. It was scarey, there is NO CUSTOMER service in the USA for Ally Financial reguardless of what you see on the TV comercials (if your from the US you know the comercials) This is my second 9-3 and I love it even more… Read more »
Anders MKE
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I am a US SAAB dealer and for some reason we never got any information about the first SAAB sale. Even after contacting several individuals, including people working for Ally. Where there only selected dealers that would be able to participate?

julie@KellySAAB
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SVAB
Member
4 years 2 months ago
Parts nightmare not just a problem for NG 95 and 94x. I have been on the waiting list for a replacement fuel pump for my ’08 93 Aero going on four weeks. Its the less common V6, but was in production for sometime. the only SAAB i would buy today is one that uses a 2.0T. Other then that, you are setting yourself up for headaches, unless you buy two. One to drive, one to scrap for parts. Makes you wonder why ANA put together the last SAABs. Wouldn’t the parts be worth more then the car as a whole?
Elias
Member
4 years 2 months ago

New parts are being produced. Since SAAB Parts still lives, and there are 1,5 million saabs (or something like that) running in the world, there will be new parts in production as long as the cars are rolling on the roads.

SVAB
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Yes, there are 1.5M cars on the road. But, how many variations. There are strength in numbers. If you have the best selling GM models you are probably going to be fine. If you have a more obscure GM model, you are ok, but you will have to wait. Same with the spyker 9-3s. But are they really going to be tooling new parts for the 500 94x’s out there? And knowing SAAB, nothing is a standard GM part.

Kikaluka
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I had a fuel pump replaced on my 08 9-3 Aero V6 4 weeks ago, and that was no trouble at all. Was fixed in 2 days.

gregory smith
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4 years 2 months ago
E
Member
4 years 2 months ago
Greg … just seeing that makes me feel a little bit better. You make a good point … it’s not like all of the parts in the Spyker-era 9-5s are unique. They do share some parts, like the fuel pump, with the higher volume Saabs of previous years. I had forgotten about that amidst all the generally negative parts discussion above. Thank you for that. Also, just a comment on the “last one in the USA” … I think that’s true to a certain extent because parts weren’t flowing for some time. I suspect now that it is zero, they… Read more »
Bréanainn
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Hope they find a good home soon.

Harriet
Member
4 years 2 months ago

We can all hope they “find a home” but the parts nightmare goes with the beautiful cars – as much as I want one, I can’t imagine buying one, at any price. What happens if I need something as simple as an oil filter? What happens if it’s a more complicated part?

Snowshoe
Member
4 years 2 months ago

If you are worried about the oil filter then you probably make the right choice of not buying a Saab.
For your peace of mind it is probably the best even if I think you are wrong about spares in the long run.
There will be spares for for almost everything but the price will go be outrageous on some parts.

Nicola
Member
4 years 2 months ago

“There were some rumors…that those 900 Saabs … could suffer from the salty air.

I live in a town which is by the sea. I lived in a house where I had to park my previous 9-3 SH at 50m from the sea. When there is strong wind, salt and even algae was on the car 🙂 Sometimes, after a night in this weather conditions, there was a subtle salt crust on the car.

Never had rust problems with Saabs since my father’s 1982 900 Turbo.

They were built to deal with roads-salt, they usually succed well, dealing with sea-salt. 🙂

spacy
Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Re; ”could suffer from the salty air”

Someone is trying to drive the prices down…..

depeche4
Member
4 years 2 months ago

@Jason

are any of these coming to Canada? I am interested in a 9-4x aero or 9-5 done up. The dealers in toronto area still want low 40’s for a 9-5 without the drive sense or nav.

dave

JasonPowell
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Dave, don’t think they’re coming here as we would then have to import adding duty as well.

depeche4
Member
4 years 2 months ago

@jason

thanks for the response. that is too bad it would be nice to see some 9-4x vehicles in this country since they would be so practical. And besides, those cadie knock offs look so bad!

dave

Doug Smith
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Bought a 9-4x in Chicago and imported it in New Brunswick. No duty as they are made in Mexico. Nice vehicle.

Dave Johnson
Member
4 years 2 months ago

I own a 2011 9-5 Aero and so far no problems. This week I saw a car hauler full of new 9-5s on I 64 so some are going somewhere. I love my car and hopefully parts issues will be a minimum.

JasonPowell
Member
4 years 2 months ago

Dave, I’m sure they will not be an issue in the future and I am confident with the people in charge that things will be sorted out. As I reported a while back, Tim C is running parts for North America and he is one to get things done.

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