First Order Of EV1’s Placed?

SU has through a very well informed source received solid indications that a very large sale of EV1’s has taken place. The information so far is unconfirmed but the information we have received is of very good character.

As to the amount of cars the source claims that it could be as large as a whole years production or even more.

100%Saab
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3 years 10 months ago

Need details. This could be huge.

SaabLife
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3 years 10 months ago

Place your bets folks, I’m thinking something within China. Maybe a government agency?

kochje
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3 years 10 months ago

You might well be right !! Think about what was presented by NEVS at the Oktoberfest.

Remdu67
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3 years 10 months ago

Upon What M. Bergman (or M. Östlund) has already stated it seems highly probable that NEVS almost had – even before signing agreement for Saab’s assets – a “guarantee” from China concerning EV1 sales. It could either come from Dragon Power (State Company for 25% of its shares) or – more directly – for Chinese government’s fleet. But I am pretty sure they did not put half a billion euros (and more in 2013/2014) in cash without being secured about minimum sales volume in China…

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago

Just for the record, Dragon Power’s name is now State Power Group.

Remdu67
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3 years 10 months ago

Thanks Jeff, “State Power”, precision that is relevant here to sustain the fact of a national market (at first) for NEVS-Saab 😉

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago

Again, if Victor or Mr. Pang had the friends in the Chinese government that Kai Johan has, they would probably still own Saab.

Angelo V.
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3 years 10 months ago

Yes, and if any of the current players have an eligible daughter as smart and pretty as Rachel, maybe I’ll become more interested in NEVS.

zig900
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3 years 10 months ago

Just returned from Beijing and came across few white Saab EVs (post 2008 9-3) parked on a lot of unidentified company, well I did not really follow. On the door of one of them it said ‘Electric Efficiency Environment’ and something in Chinese meaning it is a pure electric vehicle but maybe someone fluent in Chinese can read it from the picture. I added two in my profile; can provide better resolution if needed.
The cars had no Saab logo but some other unknown symbol, maybe some of you identify it, see the picture.

metalhead
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3 years 10 months ago

the larger chinese characters only says beijing’s automobiles. Can’t read the smaller characters, Do you have any closer pics? The badges are not Saab though.

metalhead
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3 years 10 months ago
zig900
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3 years 10 months ago

I have added pic with better resolved door but Jeff and your link resolved the mystery, well it was a mystery only to me 🙂

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago
Sadly those are BAIC, not NEVS. Saab engineers were working with BAIC as part of the transaction GM set up to sell the pre 08 9-3 systems, even though they used 08 bodies for their prototypes– meaning those are just dummy cars used to test the mechanical systems underneath. RedJ has covered it before at SU. BAIC as far as I know will be producing the C60 EV based on the 9-3 which fortunately looks not too much like a Saab at all. Even though it looks like an Opel/VW mashup, I actually sort of like the drawings of it.… Read more »
zippy
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3 years 10 months ago

HIDEOUS MONSTROSITIES!!!

EuroDriver
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3 years 10 months ago

Wow, this is big news. Wish there were more details, cause if this is true, then it truly is a jumpstart and the vote of confidence the Saab brand needed.

SaabKen
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3 years 10 months ago

Ooops, I think I missed the boat here. What’s the specs and appearance of the EV1 ?

Good news indeed if it pans true.

Coke is it
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3 years 10 months ago

Good to hear!

Could it be Pangda that buys some more Saabs 😉

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago

Haha. That’s funny.

Remdu67
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3 years 10 months ago

I would not be so amazed by this come back. When the Saab will hit the ground in China, BAIC could worry for their own EVs. I hope Saab EV1 will keep and emphasize more than less Saab swedish design!

JH
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3 years 10 months ago

Sounds good, but a whole year’s production could mean anything from zero to 190 000 cars… The latter would of course be nice and mean a lot for Trollhättan! 🙂

Angelo V.
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3 years 10 months ago

Good, that means profits. When are they going to sell the cars worldwide? What about the petrol powered 9-3s to get the factory up and running? Any of those coming to the U.S.? Any discussions with North American potential dealers yet? Just checking.

kochje
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3 years 10 months ago

Good point. Need some follow-up on that info.

SaabLife
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3 years 10 months ago

If they answered even one of those questions, it would make my week. Follow-up question from me; when will a proper website be put up?

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago

Angelo, I’ve got a solution for you. You should apply to become their North American COO. That way you don’t have to wait for them to figure out the answers, you can decide on your own time :).

Angelo V.
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3 years 10 months ago

I don’t have an MBA, so I don’t think I’ll be named COO, CEO or President. I can probably make their executive committee based on having two undergraduate degrees and a couple decades business experience. I’d be happy to be part of NEVSNA (NEVS North America). I’d be their best employee, bar none.

hughw
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3 years 10 months ago

Oh, Angelo, all you have to do is get Rachel to share the assignment with you and you’re good to go,

MeanSabean
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3 years 10 months ago

No!!!!! I don’t think so, Angelo your Anal Retentive!!!!!

Angelo V.
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3 years 10 months ago

Yes Mean, I share that with MOST great executives! Wait…that doesn’t sound right. I mean, I share BEING anal retentive with most execs—-we don’t share…oh, you know what I’m saying.

MeanSabean
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3 years 10 months ago

Lol, that is great! I enjoy your great humor,your a funny Italian American!

MeanSabean
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3 years 10 months ago

Sorry Angelo I meant that you’re a funny Italian American and a great writer.

saabyurk
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3 years 10 months ago

I actually think Angelo might be very good at that. Certainly very motivated and SAAB knowledgeable. 🙂

Chris Hansel
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3 years 10 months ago

I agree, we could do a lot worst than Angelo, and in fact, we have.

Bravada from GMI
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3 years 10 months ago

With Angelo, Saab would beat Kia on price in the US, and still offer free maintenance and a coupon for a Happy Meal on top of that!

xelav
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3 years 10 months ago

haha , that could indeed be the answer ! I bet he will be successful to!

adde
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3 years 10 months ago

Good news. Of pure curiosity i would like to know how much is “a whole year of production or even more”? Basicaly any amount is good for start. As max we did around 130,000 units/year (i think) on 2 shifts.
Additionaly, i just saw on NEVS website they are looking for a Project leader/manager within production who, in preparation for the start of production, can take responsibility for the coordination of activities in production regarding such equipment, material supply, production and staffing.

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago

I hinted at this in comments yesterday but you just went and dropped the bomb Jason. 😛

StefanH STHLM
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3 years 10 months ago

Fingers xrossed.
Hope it´s not a misunderstanding of the article that states there´s an order for BAIC´s´EVs by The Beijing Municipal government.
Built on BAIC´s Saab material.

http://www.boston-power.com/news/global-media-coverage/boston-power-founder-lampe-onnerud-says-deal-china-s-baic-based-performan

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago

As far as I know, we have zero contacts with BAIC.

StefanH STHLM
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3 years 10 months ago

Ok. Nice. ;^)

Ronnie_Rad
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3 years 10 months ago

So is it confirmed that the car’s name will be EV1 and they are moving away from the “9” designations?

And also, what type of car will the EV1 be? Compact sedan, large sedan, compact hatch, large hatch, etc…..

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago
The car will not be called the EV1. It’s a placeholder name. They’re still evaluating names. They’re going to build whatever they can in the most cost effective way to sustain sales. If they can get away with maximizing plant capacity with a barely modified 9-3 with an electric engine, they probably will. But we’d all obviously like to see a significant but Saaby facelift to give consumers around the world some hope of big things to come. It’s a balance, is it worth the costs of changing certain elements stylistically or is it worth investing in other areas like… Read more »
Ronnie_Rad
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3 years 10 months ago

Yes, this is great. I was originally against NEVS but for the past several months I have been warming up to them. I am glad to say I WOULD buy a car from them if its designed and drives right since my commute is only 30 minutes away (just not sure how i would charge it at work or at my apartment).

Thank you for the thorough answer, makes a lot of sense.

Jeff
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3 years 10 months ago
No prob Ronnie. Watch the presentation from Mattias Bergman in the post after this if you want even more answers, or read the number of articles already posted here like this one. If your total commute is under 120 miles, even in winter I’m comfortable saying a new EV from Saab will be great daily driver for you, and if it’s priced properly, it could save you quite a bit of money. If you could, please answer the poll on the main page again for me so we can get to work on our own little market research for a… Read more »
E
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3 years 10 months ago

E9-3

Angelo V.
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3 years 10 months ago

Does BAIC have the old 900 hatchback? Can I just start a North American car company that imports those (after finding investors to get them through regulations)? I’ll call the company BAAS (pronounced, “BOSS”). We’ll do things right.

JH
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3 years 10 months ago

Ehh… NO. BAIC only bought the GM2902-based 9-5 and some rights to the up to-MY04 Epsilon I-based 9-3.

rafael guerra
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3 years 10 months ago

Amaizing BAIC models in the net, it´s the same saab models 9-5 and 9-3, the pictures showed high quality, saab still alive in China

zippy
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3 years 10 months ago

You cant be serious!? 🙁

Angelo V.
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3 years 9 months ago

Zippy: Sure I am. I’ll outsell NEVS without breaking a sweat.

3cyl
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3 years 10 months ago

Does anyone commenting here work for the Chinese government?

3cyl
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3 years 10 months ago

I didn’t think so.

witek
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3 years 10 months ago

its funny. who would put order for something what do not exist and without knowing how it looks??????

scand
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3 years 10 months ago

Beats me.

Maybe they didn’t care, just as long as they are black.

Angelo V.
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3 years 10 months ago

Maybe they believe in “hope and change.” Suckers.

marcus
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3 years 10 months ago

you´re abolutely right – and the truth behind this rumours are the same when garth brooks becomes the lead-vocalist by the rolling stones and we will have mothers-day in africa the whole year…

it´s more than crazy – but in this comedy everything can happen – and someone can be so dumb to buy something that not exists…

Šarūnas Burdulis
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3 years 10 months ago

I sincerely hope the news/rumour is more credible, than it was about the “well known auto manufacturer from the south of Germany” being interested in buying Saab…

phermansson
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3 years 10 months ago

How do you know that the news about south german automaker wasn’t true? I know that BMW was interested in buying parts of Saab, they were one of the 15 companies that expressed interest to the bankruptcy administrators.

Remco
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3 years 10 months ago

You’re supposed to be on leave Tim 🙂

Šarūnas Burdulis
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3 years 10 months ago

I don’t know about the parts of Saab. I thought it was about a German manufacturer buying Saab as a whole. But maybe it’s just my memory. Almost to good to be true. Just like this news here now. I can only hope it’s true.

Do we think it’s an incarnation of 9-3 ePower (which was not far from production before bankrupcy) that is being ordered?..

phermansson
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3 years 10 months ago

We never stated that BMW made a bid for the whole of Saab, we explored different scenarios and made that very clear. BMW to our knowledge made a bid on certain parts of Saab such as technical development and some other items. There were in total 15 bidders which of 5 made a bid for the whole thing, only one bid was realistic which also won the purchase: NEVS.

Angelo V.
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3 years 9 months ago

Tim: What was unrealistic about Mahindra’s bid? Was that ever detailed?

Angelo V.
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3 years 9 months ago

From where I’m sitting, the most unrealistic component of the bankruptcy process were the three mashuganas deciding who would get the remains of Saab.

Thylmuc
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3 years 10 months ago

No clue have I, but BMW seens looking to expanding their manufacturing capabilities, for increasing the Mini production, so it would have made sense for them to look at the Trollhättan plant. But that would not have been a good solution for the Saab fans.

And forget about “BMW needs knowledge in developing FWD cars” etc. They have all the competences they would need, and have indeed quite a number of FWD development projects ongoing.

David Plummer
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3 years 10 months ago

Hopefully very positive news then, I am new to the Saab Scene but bought my first 93 back in June. Looking forward to the new Saab too.
Had a 3 day test drive in the Vauxhall Ampera (Chevy Volt) too last week which I will do a write up on soon, have to say I am looking forward to an electric future after those 3 days.

Seb
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3 years 10 months ago
This is good news. Happy for NEVS and the people in THN. I know we all like to dream about a Saab reborn like a Phoenix. In my opinion I feel like NEVS has no plans of resurrecting SAAB like we want, especially considering North American distributorship is likely never going to happen (imho) in our lifetime. I know this news makes us feel nice and cozy and optimistic. Optimistic about what? Making cars that none of us will he able to buy in the near future with no dealer network? Still waiting for the damn bumper cover for my… Read more »
Angelo V.
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3 years 9 months ago

Can you drive it without a cosmetic bumper cover?

sonett71
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3 years 10 months ago
I’m very happy for the great news about Nevs, but it is also great to know Saab lives on in China with Beijing Auto Shenbao D280 (BAIC). The production is going on and the car is out for sale in December 2012. Shenbao D280 is the production version of the Beijing Auto C70G that debuted on the Beijing Auto Show in April. Shenbao is the old Chinese name for Saab, which changed to Sabo in the late 1990’s. Beijing Auto bought the rights to the Saab 9-3 and Saab 9-5 from GM in 2009, and they also bought the rights… Read more »
Angelo V.
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3 years 9 months ago

I would love to see these cars built to U.S. specs—-and exported here under a new name. They could be the first line of Made In China cars sold in the U.S. I’d love to be on the ground floor of that business. Let’s get a diesel too.

rafael guerra
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3 years 10 months ago

Seb, I recommend you to buy another car for daily use and park the 9-5 in your garage for collection car

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