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August 9, 2013 in News

Many Saab fans do believe that SAAB 2.0 could end like MG/ROEWE. I mean the parts are build in China, and as car kits assembled in Sweden for the European Market and maybe the US.

Well I cannot talk about the future, or what will happen to the China build Saabs, when NEVS starts building cars in China, but for the present NEVS has decided to contract local suppliers rather than cheaper(?) suppliers from China.

Today a SU fan has sent us link to a small article from the Swedish newspaper DT.

This article tells the story of a small supplier in the Swedish region of Dalarna, that had some problems last winter, but that now with a contract from NEVS has a much brighter future.

MCM is a rather small sheet metal machining company based in Mora, in the region of Dalarna, north of Stockholm. According to their Website in 2007 they were approaching the 40 million SEK in total sales, and now they got a contract from NEVS over 12 million SEK.

We have heard before, that the NEVS 9-3 might be 100% GM free, and this shows what it means. MCM had to start from scratch to produce this parts, which meant to produce 17 different tools just for the production of those parts. And they even had to get help from another company in Mora to get those tools produced in time.

This is the part MCM is manufacturing for NEVS. Anybody knows where this part can be found in a 9-3?
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49 responses to Made in Sweden

  1. Front seat mount, forward bracket.

  2. No, it fits behind the left fog light and houses the rocket launcher. James Bond had a similar device in his Aston Martin (The Living Daylights) and his BMW Z3. NEVS knows that the profit margin for government contracts can be high.

    Hey, who’s breaking down the door? Noooooooooooooo, I’m not working with Edward Snowdon. Don’t take me awayyyyyyyyyyyyy.

    • Having decided to change ISP to Talktalk [UK] been pulling my hair out with virtually no Broadband speed & their lousy CS……so on topic, Please can I have a bottle of what your on….!!!

  3. Battery? The central tunnel?

  4. Very interesting, it seems things are moving forward. We are getting perilously close to the time frame where production is supposed to start up but NEVs is still playing their cards very close to the vest.

    • The article linked to in the news says that they anticipate starting to deliver the parts at the end of the year. So they are probably a little delayed compared to what they have indicated before.

      • I thought from the start that their projection, ie launch in ealy 14, is IMPOSSIBLE no matter how you look at it. I think NEVS is moving along at a good paste but they have a very long way to go before launching a car, whichever one it might be. If they do eventually launch, I’m hoping the product won’t be miles behind the competition when it come to value and technical content.

  5. I thought NEVs had it’s own pressing plant/shop

    • Terry, they do. But this part needs more work other than stamping.
      Her you have stamping, cutting welding and bending.

      • And the presses in the Factory are designed mainly for body panels. Small pressed metal parts are produced off-site all across the industry, sometimes in dedicated factories (GM had one in Parma, Ohio, that sent small parts to many different assembly plants – don’t know if that plant survived the reorganization), sometimes from independent companies (as here). Often the independent companies are located in a “campus” adjacent to the assembly plant.

  6. Maybe GM owned the tooling for that part?

  7. I’m surprised that GM won’t even sell such low-tech products, as it must be obvious that sourcing such a part will be quite straigth forward work and just a speed bump for Saab. The only thing they will achieve is making themselves impossible as supplier for the future.

    But it makes it pretty clear that GM won’t supply any engines.

    • As I understand it, some of the gm tools are in the possession of suppliers who are not ready to play ball. These suppliers might see this as an opportunity to force nevs to pay for the bankruptcy two years ago.

      • You might be right—but that is bush league business practice. NEVS had nothing to do with these suppliers being stiffed two years ago. The only link NEVS has is the use of the name Saab. Maybe if Muller/Spyker went to them looking for parts, they could hold that over Muller.

      • I wonder who the original tools now belong too….

        GM’s copyright has now expired on the 9.3.
        This part must be something special , as basically most of the structural last generation 9.3 parts were carried forward from the previous model [now BAIC owned].

        As NEVs has now commissioned the new supplier to make the part, it does seem the old tools are ‘not available’ for use!!, or of course as the old 9.3 now has to have a new drivetrain, the old tooling does not work?..

        Bankruptcies hurt…….. particularly for small companies.
        However these old suppliers actually gain nothing by not supplying NEVs, as can be seen they simply went elsewhere, so the old companies lost out again.

        Considering there are thousands of bit when making a car, this does show what a task it is to re-tool & I hope NEVs will be able to use this same part in their new 9.3, not just the old revamped model.
        And of course how long it all takes [take note Angelo].

        • If GM’s copyright has finally expired on the 9-3, this begs the question about the NG 9-5: will this copyright expire in 10-11 years as well, and can again be produced with no mischief or interference from GM? I doubt NEVS (or whomever controls Saab) will want anything to do with it in 2022, but it’s such a classic shape that I believe it will age well. I seem to recall VM making some noise about Spyker using the 9-5 design several months ago, but that story went away quickly…

      • Rune, even if they did want to play ball, those GM suppliers talk about much higher production numbers.

        I from my side like the idea of NEVS using small local suppliers rather than big companies to produce parts. I known it can’t be done for all the parts they need, but the more the better.

      • Terry: yes, this doess how evenone part is a big project in and of Itself. My grievancewh NEVS is less about time delays—-more about theri ignorant silence.

        • I think we became so involved when Muller was in charge.
          We had press release one after the other & felt very connected to Saab.

          That time is over & although NEVs are quite silent, the old saying ‘silence is golden’ may well apply.
          Obviously they have nothing to say at this time & what is the use of promises with no foundation [Muller era again].

          • I see that point you’re making—-if Muller was a carnival barker with no substance, we shouldn’t be surprised that Saab flopped. In fact, I am on Spyker’s e-mail list for some reason—-and it seems as though Muller spends more time talking about what will happen than he does making things happen. So believe me, I get your point. But on the other hand, I’m not asking NEVS for promises with no foundation. I’m saying—–if there’s a foundation, start talking about Saab—–start priming the pump. I think back to when I was a kid—-years before I was old enough to have a driver’s license—-and I’d read Car and Driver cover to cover—-and my favorite section was “For Your Information” which was a page or two of little blurbs/spy photos telling us what to expect in a year or two—-or three. The manufacturers leaked this stuff and sometimes gave comments to stir excitement. NEVS needs to begin that process yesterday.

          • At least NEVS cannot overpromise and underdeliver. A line that could have been perfect to describe Victor’s way of conducting business. But on the other hand: NEVS plans to be back in business by fall 2013? Maybe it would be the right time to say where and with whom they gonna sell those new-old 9-3′s. An information that is not that unimportant for possible buyers as well.
            I still kinda like their “you can’t say anything wrong when you say nothing at all attitude”, but I think the time has come to speed things up a little.

    • Considering what GM is (not) doing i Australia with Opel and Holden I am very happy being free from their “support”.

    • Not a low-tech part at all. This is a complex component, especially if it had to undergo reverse engineering and design.
      in terms of feasibility of the brand going forward, or more accurately the manufacture of a Saab, not just the nameplate; GM would have to participate to some degree.
      For what many here may think; GM did keep Saab on life-support for years longer than it’s natural life; albeit with a diluted version. But let’s agree Saab would have gone “bye-bye” years earlier, if not for the might and powerful resources of GM.

      • I think SAAB saved GM instead by free engineering work for 20 years. GM should pay all debts SAAB had to all suppliers except for themselves, and save their global reputation. GM should let NEVS use the technology SAAB invented and that GM use today.

        • Ivar;
          Respectfully, it appears if you know little about the operation of an automobile manufacturing enterprise.
          You are deluding yourself, by blindly worshiping Saab, and not being objective and realistic.

          • I love Saab and not so much love for GM these days—-but Ivar, when GM owned Saab, nothing was free. As Joe points out, our admiration for Saab shouldn’t make us blind to some of Saab’s own failures, including pre-GM.

  8. For me it looks like the platform for eyther the drivers seat or the passenger seat in the front

  9. Trunk mounted CD changer from the ’99 Pontiac Bonneville. Maybe GM was having a big sale on them.

  10. In all seriousness, this is really encouraging to me—-shows activity.

  11. I agree.

    MADE IN SWEDEN – that’s what we want to see.

  12. Very interesting news! :-)
    NEVS is the last chance for SAAB and I really hope that they will be able to restart and continue SAAB in the right spirit. It´s good to have at least one car-company to make cars with not solely the wallet but also with heart and mind!

    • Saab seems to have more lives than a cat. Maybe NEVS is the last chance, maybe not. But if this is Saab’s final stop, I hope the new owner has plans for North America. Also—-if NEVS is really working hard behind the scenes to secure the parts supply, engineer great cars, get the factory up and running, etc.—–without better public outreach, they are still going to have a hard time selling enough cars. The exception will be if they are just out for municipal contracts in China—-that probably be done with phone calls and strong arming. But if they want to sell to consumers, they need to match their industrial work with advertising/PR work—-an area in which they seem to be weaker than weak. This is smelling like they might be satisfied with making a product they believe in—-and quietly bringing it to market—-and being content to sell to a few people who don’t need the glitz of advertising to find satisfying cars. That might be satisfactory or even preferable for a lot of the Saab faithful (“We don’t want to see one at every stop light anyway…”) but this boutique/clique/cult following of customers wasn’t enough to keep Saab afloat—-and that isn’t going to change. They need a fresh business plan and they need to have the ability to excite a lot of new potential buyers. So far, that is the furthest thing from reality.

  13. Could it be a console with holes for the key and the stick shift?

  14. With all the anticipation of NEVS beginning production I am curious as to who’s engine and transmission will be used? Will it be from BMW? This is the biggest secret at the moment.

    • If it’s a BMW engine—–it will add value in the minds of many. That would be a major coup for NEVS. I’m very curious about the BMW front wheel drive project—-will be interesting to see what that brings.

  15. Did anyone else get that ‘ticking’ noise from the dash that lasted about 10 seconds when starting a 9-3SS first thing in the morning? I did. Part made in China. Surprised. Not really. Personally Id be shocked to see any new Saab come off of the production line. The market is just not there anymore now the likes of BMW have a 2.0L turbo engine in the 3 and 5 series.

    • Zippy: If the market isn’t there—-you create a new market. If you’re smaller or with less funds, you have to out-think the other guys—-outsmart them. Find your own niche or do something different and better. Can NEVS succeed? Apparently, their idea was to go all in on electric. I think that was ludicrous and I thought that from the time it was announced. I think everyone had the same dumbfounded reaction of “Huh?” So NEVS clued in that it was a bad idea (even though the Receivers weren’t intelligent/aware enough to figure this out). NEVS determined that they needed to have ICE availability in the line at this point in time. So far, I’ve seen nothing to convince me that this group of people who formed NEVS has what it takes to be smarter or more agile than the large corporations they will be competing against. I hope it’s just a slow start and as they feel their way through this venture, they’ll make corrections, change and grow. Being stubborn works if you’re a visionary who is thinking faster and better than everyone else. But I don’t think that’s the case here.

      • I have been sceptical about NEVS from the beginning, so it will come as no surprise when I say I have to agree with you.

        • Tony: I was psyched up to have Mahindra get the spoils of Saab and make Saab better than it’s ever been. I also heard the same BMW rumors everyone else did—and thought that might be even better. Youngman-Lotus was very unproven, but at least said the right things about the product line—-their ambition was strong even if they couldn’t pull the trigger on a deal to buy Saab (or they pulled the trigger but there were blanks in the gun and not live ammo). But in any case—-when the news broke here that it was going to be National Electric Vehicles Sweden, buying the remains of Saab to make electric cars, I literally got sick to my stomach—-no joke. It was physically uncomfortable to read about them—-and the idea of every future Saab running on batteries. I almost took a sledgehammer to my monitor while reading it. Over time, I’ve tried to convince myself that they’ll figure things out—-they’ll follow a reasonable path and not a stupid one. To be taken seriously, they need to come back to North America within five years of the date of their acquisition. The clock is ticking on that—-and if they can’t make that deadline, they can save face by at least making overtures that this is indeed a firm plan but they need time to implement it and want to cut their teeth in China first. But they haven’t said that. Their website doesn’t say that. We’ve heard nothing but drips and drabs from some of the authors here—rumors or off the cuff comments someone from NEVS might have made. Word of a letter going out to dealers. That isn’t cutting it—-not even close. I am clinging to hope that they are just unorthodox at approaching a new venture—-or clueless about outreach, but they’ll eventually get on track. Hope is a wonderful thing. It keeps you going when things are bleak. That said, I’ve prepared myself for the possible outcome that this is a hoax of some sort—-and cars will never be made in any real volume (i.e. this won’t get off the ground) or that they’ll do fleet sales of something in China and a symbolic car for parts of the EU to give them some credibility that they aren’t 100% China focused—-but that it will become clear as day that this is never going to mean Saabs for the United States and Canada (among other places). But like a shaky relationship, I just want to know where I stand so I can plan for my future, with or without a new Saab and I can feel “committed” to some brand, Saab or not. But alas, NEVS is like the self-absorbed partner who keeps you hanging on while they pursue someone they like better.

          • That last sentence of yours helps me put a mental picture together of where your negativity and impatience comes from. :) It’s all coming together now.

            • Below the belt, Jeff. Angelo put together a coherent and balanced view and all you can come up with is a snide comment. I share Angelo`s concerns, but I sincerely hope we are both wrong.

            • Actually Jeff, it comes from 2nd hand experience as I have never been on either side of that scenario, thankfully. I think I mentioned before—-that unfortunately, I was widowed at a pretty young age, not jerked around in a relationship. But really, even if your comment was correct, it wouldn’t make my negativity and impatience any less valid. They’ve taken too long from a business standpoint to clear things up. And I’m with Tony—-I hope I’m wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time. I’m looking for something, ANYTHING to make me believe NEVS will be successful as the owner of Saab AND that I’ll be able to buy one. I’m batting zero in that endeavor at this point. But I do thank you for reading a long post all the way to the last sentence!

  16. currently NEVS has recruted nearly 200 people and is busily interviewing candidates for COO. Personally i thing the restart may be delayed to fall or even early of 2014

  17. 9186791 Seat member front.. Using a gm number previously …Should be a left n a right one

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