Speaking about the interior of the 9-3 …

On my last Post many have pointed out the difference in appreciation between the interior and the exterior of the 9-3, most of all after the update in 2006.

Well voices say that NEVS had planned an interior facelift of the 9-3, and although I do not know nothing about the extend of this facelift, I merely expect an upgrade in materials and the change of the GM-Corporate parts like this one

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or this one

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as rumours have already indicated that the 9-3N will be 100% GM-free.

So at the end the timeless exterior design of the 9-3 may be paired with an interior that is at least at the same level.

Jan Ivarsson
Guest
3 years 19 days ago

I never really liked the round knobs and that “stereo” is just tragic.
I’m hoping for a 7″ touch screen (would fit perfect) with something good Android based from Swedspot (the ones who continued in the iQon concept) http://saabsunited.saabklubben.se/2013/03/what-happened-to-iqon.html

zippy
Member
3 years 19 days ago

Bring back the interior fitted in the 02-07 9-3 with SID where its rightfully belongs!!!!

A Williams
Guest
3 years 17 days ago

Not the 02-07 interior again!

Definitely not a Saab design – 1001 buttons and the black finish wore off!
Much preferred the post-07 interior layout, only drawback were the materials used which felt very flimsy.

Phil
Member
3 years 17 days ago

right but the SID should go back to where it belongs

Dzmitry
Member
3 years 19 days ago

notes about nothing.

900 classic cab
Guest
3 years 19 days ago

“So at the end the timeless exterior design of the 9-3 may be paired with an interior that is at least at the same level.”

I really hope so! ๐Ÿ™‚

Phillip
Guest
3 years 19 days ago

That would make it a great car. Main thing for me is the plastic which just looks cheap.

boxman
Member
3 years 19 days ago

a return to real leather would be nice, i like the interior of my 2008 9-3 Aero but the seats are not as good quality as Saab once had

zippy
Member
3 years 16 days ago

Saab used to use Connolly leather ie the same leather used by RR and Bentley.

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 16 days ago
Does the type of leather matter? Sure it does. It matters on furniture in your house, your shoes, wallet, handbag, belts—-so it matters in the car too. I believe Jaguar also used Connolly leather, at least back in the mid-80s. The owner of a company I worked for had a Jaguar coupe and that car had its share of mechanical mayhem—-but when it ran, it was sweet. And the aroma of that leather was exquisite. But all of that comes at a price. If NEVS were to make the move to upgrade Saab interior leather back to Connolly, how much… Read more »
Aero1
Member
3 years 15 days ago

+10..GM really dilluted (RUINED) the brand after the 9000. Our 9-3 Aero SC (07) really has leather a step above painted vinyl. I do not mind spending $1000.00 more to get Aero 9000 quality again..First though you have to actually have a real live product!

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 15 days ago

I’m okay with spending more to get premium leather—-but I’d like the choice of passing on the leather for a car that costs 2K less—-with well done fabric instead.

North Toronto Punter
Member
3 years 19 days ago
From one who actually preferred the ’07 + dash design to earlier: Everything is obvious and un-cluttered. The finishes were problematic, but mostly corrected via Hirsch [Expensive though…and for North Americans essentially unobtainable –until too late]. Pixilated font on stock bow-tie radio unfortunately carried forth about 3 model years too many. Other: 1. Took months to reconcile myself to an ‘OFF’ button having a green light affixed. Change this. 2. In a 2014 model year car (with a rally tradition…forsakened?), ostensible claim to superior ergonomics and driver-focus: Must be HUD w Sat/Nav. 3. For automatic cars: Leather shift boot. I… Read more »
North Toronto Punter
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3 years 19 days ago

5. Steering wheel must be chunky, flat-bottomed (?), inter alia (see point 2)

Martin T16s
Member
3 years 19 days ago

Maybe even the long forgotten IQon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BOd9oX1p4s

SteveW
Member
3 years 19 days ago

That would be the main issue with the 9-3 fixed. I bought a 2005 9-5 (last really well built interior in a Saab IMHO)although it was older than i would have preferred, the 2006 and later models had absolutely appalling plastics. The 9-3 plastics were also poor and the leather on later models so lacking in quality that on many examples the driver’s seat bolsters looked terrible after as little as a couple years.
In summary, if the plastic and leather quality is fixed the 9-3 would be a much improved car.

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 19 days ago

I’m very happy with the plastics/vinyls in my ’04 9-5 ARC. I consider those materials to be better than anything else in a GM car during that period, including Cadillac. The leather on the steering wheel is a bit suspect—-always seemed inferior to my 1993 BMW leather steering wheel—-but it’s aging okay. Aside from that, the interior pretty much looks new.

Phillip
Guest
3 years 18 days ago

I agree. The plastics/vinyls on the 9-5 up to 2005 and the first generation 9-3 look much better and wear very well. I’d be really happy to see this back. Whilst the outside is obviously important we spend most of the time inside our car looking at that cheap plastic.

SteveW
Member
3 years 18 days ago

Hi Angelo, your car will have the same dash, door trim etc as mine. Its built in a nononsense, quality way that really fits with what Saab should be about. Its kind of like the old Merc bullet proof build before they went bling.

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 18 days ago

Exactly. I told my brother once—-you don’t get quite as much in the Saab, but what you get, is better. I’m not into a lot of knobs/buttons/gadgetry. I like driving. My ’93 BMW 325i is even more sparse than the Saab I own—-and that has worn well too. “Bling” is a good way of phrasing what you are talking about.

bpsorrel
Member
3 years 18 days ago
I agree. The leather in my 2008 convertible was awful. After just about a year, the surface of the leather had worn down on the edges to the “grey cardboard” look underneath. Totally disgraceful. The black coating on the dash panel and door handles had pealed off in places (fortunately, after some fighting with the dealer, the dash panel was replaced under warranty albeit it taking 9 weeks to fix!! To be honest all these quality failings skimmed off a lot of the pleasure of that car and helped me to not miss it too much when I sold it.… Read more »
Joel
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3 years 19 days ago
I drive an ’06 9-5 SC and ok so the styling around the climate control knobs is slightly different but I quite like the 3 knobs with the push buttons in the middle and I find it ridiculously simple to use… totally intuitive right from the word go! I’m not all that familiar with the plastics in the 9-3 but I do know that in the 9-5 things aren’t too bad though I DO admit they could be a lot better – the door handles especially!! The leather seats still look ok (but there are lots of smaller bits on… Read more »
Silas
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3 years 18 days ago
The knobs to me aren’t bad although the ACC tries to be too smart and changes the air temperature while I’m driving because the temp outside changed by 1 degree or something. I wish that could be turned off because even when you manually select the fan speed, air discharge location and temperature, the air temp still changes on it’s own. I’ve been told the older ones didn’t do that but I haven’t had one to test out. The plastic in my wagon get more and more annoying all the time. The spot on the door for side view mirror… Read more »
Joel
Member
2 years 8 months ago

You are, of course, quite right things shouldn’t squeak or rattle (I’m lucky that is just the door cards on car and they can usually be fixed with a good bash!!!) and the plastics should not be failing so soon (mine aren’t) Howeverjust because a rose has thorns doesn’t stop it being beautiful or smelling sweet! ๐Ÿ™‚

Nicola
Member
3 years 19 days ago
I had a 2006 Vector SH 9-3 and I liked the dash design better than the subsequent version. Now I own a NG 9-5 w/HUD and I can say SID was very effective, similar to HUD. 9-3 keepers: Seats ergonomy, SID, Night panel, dual scale tachimeter, green instrument lighting, linear minimalistic decluttered dash and instruments. A 7″ display can be ok provided it has nothing to do with those chromy, shiny, fashion, eastern-car things… Something like NG 9-5 can be ok. Please refrain to use shining parts that are glare-generators. My NG 9-5 gear stick metal frame is one example,… Read more »
Sensonic
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3 years 18 days ago

Seats ergonomy? More leg support! ๐Ÿ™‚ I’m 188 cm tall and the leg support is not just enough ๐Ÿ™

SaabKen
Member
3 years 18 days ago

Yay, look forward to a 100% Swedish free-range, meds-free, organic interior ๐Ÿ™‚

IMHO the 9000 had the classiest, best laid-out interior of all times:

3cyl
Member
3 years 18 days ago

And the leather in the 9000s I owned makes the seat covering used in later SAABS seem like cheap vinyl.

Romac
Member
3 years 18 days ago

Just one problem with the 9000 interior – the key was in the wrong place!

Joel
Member
3 years 18 days ago

+1 Romac ๐Ÿ˜‰

3cyl
Member
3 years 17 days ago

I guess you could say that the location of the key was decided by fiat.

aslak
Member
3 years 18 days ago

I think the interior from 2007 – 2012 looks good. it is a cleaner design than previous version. So the design is good, but the material quality could be improved. Well, it will be interesting to see when the first photos are released!

Trued
Member
3 years 18 days ago
Bring back the best proven knowledge in human performance. We all know that driving a car is a at times a way to complicated task for the averege human to perform. I an not talking about a sunny day on the straight freeway to the beach. No it is that day in when the nature is working against us, darkness, snow, sleet and slippery roads with oncoming traffic on a non-divided small road. All attention needs to be focused outside the car to make sense of the present environment. It is a high demand mental work for a driver to… Read more »
JerseySaab
Member
3 years 18 days ago

“who uses that old technology today”

Well, I still use 8-track tape in my C900, and cassette tape + CD in my 9000 and do not own or ever plan to own an ipad. No interest in them whatsoever, they are just useless consumer gadgets. The idea of not even having CD player available in a car seems kind of crazy and the AM/FM radio should be a primary concern, not a “backup system.”

I would certainly have no interest in driving a car that, as Red J. says, feels like the inside of a video game.

Trued
Member
3 years 18 days ago

JerseySaab where do You get the 8 track tapes?
Sweden will shut down FM radio 2020.

JerseySaab
Member
3 years 18 days ago
8-Track tapes are still fairly common at local flea markets, but I have stacks and stacks of them from years back. It’s a shame that you guys are going to shut down conventional broadcasting. It will probably happen here in the U.S. someday as well, though as far as I know unlike what happened with TV there are no definitive plans to terminate analog radio. Some day after everyone puts all of their communications eggs into the internet and satellite baskets there is going to be a major outage with those that will create chaos. It’s hard for me to… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
3 years 17 days ago

There’s always shortwave radio—-and I have plenty of good ones from the ’70s and ’80s and a good modern Sony too. I wonder if it’s bandwidth that’s needed for something? Seems really stupid to ditch FM. Could be a risk to public safety too. Shortsighted.

Thylmuc
Member
3 years 17 days ago

Will they? The same was said of Germany for 2010, 2012 and 2015, iirc. No signs whatsoever that this will happen. Instead, lousy quality, high power consumption and meagre indoor reception for DAB.

Quixcube
Member
3 years 17 days ago
Well, there is certainly room to disagree here, but I follow your logic. Still, I can’t imagine using CDs to store my music. They don’t hold nearly enough data and they are fragile. At the very least, I want Saab to include a well situated USB port so I can attach a large capacity digital archive without the need for any sort of mechanical transfer mechanism. A $10, 16GB stick is all I need for most driving. As an aside–I do wish Saab would fork out a little more money for a higher quality DAC than what comes in most… Read more »
Jan Ivarsson
Guest
3 years 18 days ago

Please no, no iPad !
I don’t want a loose thing in my car that I have to remember to take with me and that is yet another thing that attracts people to smash a window and steal it. No loose stuff.

Offer the option to have a good built in version (IQon) and/or a bluetooth connection with a app for all echo system (iOS, Android) to those who want that, don’t make it the only option!

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 18 days ago

+9000 But I think we are outnumbered. I know this might not be realistic from an assembly line standpoint—-but I wish there would be a version without all the crap for people who want the driving experience, sans gadgets. And make the ones who want this garbage, pay for it.

Jan Ivarsson
Guest
3 years 18 days ago

I want the crap and the gadgets ! =)
I just don’t want it to only be via a loose, easy to steal, iPad obligatory solution.

Trued
Member
3 years 18 days ago

iPad fits into your jacket pocket or in the glovebox! Piece of cake!

Jan Ivarsson
Guest
3 years 18 days ago

Keys, wallet, cellphone is more then enough and with a kid, anything can be one thing to many. Besides, it’s not a good thing to force your customers to a echo system when there is a good chance they already have invested in another one.
Platform agnostic is the way to go if your not supplying your own platform.

Trued
Member
3 years 18 days ago

Saab has always attracted buyer in the higher educated community who are ON when it comes to internet communication devices etc. Saab better stick to that line to get back those customers. They have the money to pay for intelligent stuff.

Aeronils
Member
3 years 14 days ago
Hey guy, reading your discussion and thinking, an idea popped up. as we like ergonomic cars, the things we use are natural, what do you need to drive your car? a … key (wether it is remote or not, you need one called a key), and that’s the point your preferred audio, radio stations, presettings, can be stored on your key. you can buy an extra key for every user of the car and he/she will jump in the same car with his personal sound. the key as a USB stick connection, so you can upload music at home with… Read more »
Ken H
Member
3 years 18 days ago

I’m definitely with you on that a small brand like Saab should cooperate with 3rd parties with regards to satnav integration. Why not team up with said Garmin or TomTom, and design something that is a) possible to remove from the car and thus reducing theft risk, and b) something that can be updated a few years down the road?
iPad/iPhone compatibility is something I would like to see, but it’s a can of android worms where you could alienate thousands of prospective buyers…

Mike Baughan
Member
3 years 17 days ago

IQon would be good- use of third party apps for nav/music, ability to connect to smartphones/tablets via Bluetooth… would be awesome if it could integrate into a new version of the SID/HUD plus steering wheel mounted controls. It doesn’t make sense to have a modular system because not everyone has/wants an iPad docking solutions bind users to one device/ecosystem, especially considering the ports aren’t standardized and can change from year to year.

Wireless connections are KEY.

Jan Ivarsson
Guest
3 years 17 days ago
Precisely, you should have the option to connect third party products to the car/system if you want but to solely rely on them for critical functions (AC, Stereo, Other Settings) is a big no no. Imagine selling the car later on. “But where is the controls for the stereo and ac ?” “Ohh, Yeah you see, you need this “xyzPad 4 itterations older then the ones available today” and a couple of adaptors to be able to use it. Mine got stolen/lost/broken but you might perhaps be able to find a used one that works with the correct adaptors if… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
3 years 17 days ago

You describe a real nightmare. Will any of these gadgeted up cars be viable 35 years from now? I have a ’79 Chevy Monza that’s completely functional. People are drivng other cars, 20 years older than mine—-or even older than that—-with all functions 100%. Is that going to be the case with “firmware update needed” computer crappola on these cars? Are we at the point where the useful life will be 10-15 years and then recycle it? No more room for classics? Nothing from 2013 to be a collectible in 2043?

Jan Ivarsson
Guest
3 years 16 days ago

Probably not no.
More or less everything computerized has a EOL date that is hard to defeat.
Electronics in cars are probably killing the “classic”. ๐Ÿ™

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 16 days ago

That is really sobering. It’s hard to fathom—-that a really cool car today, with everything computerized, won’t be able to be driven, with everything working—-40 years from now. Look at the ’63 Corvette—–a beautiful design exercise that people routinely pay in six figures to obtain. No more of that classic to look forward to?

Ed Lorenz
Member
3 years 18 days ago

My 9000 is a fine car. It is all that I need, and all that I want. I do not need distracting gadgets and wizmos, but intelligent and practical engineering should be what a Saab is about. If that market needs these things, fine. But mine can do without.

JerseySaab
Member
3 years 18 days ago

I’m with you. My 9000 is hands down the best car I’ve ever owned. The interior is very purposeful, uses high-quality materials, and isn’t loaded down with distracting bling. (Well, the lack of a glovebox is a bit of a pain, I would not recommend that as a design feature!)

Trued
Member
3 years 18 days ago

The luxury velour upholstery/interior in the 9000 was according to ex-design boss Bjรถrn Envall way to good for “sane” economics in a car company, but still Saab opted for the best in the business. Made by a swedish company in Tidaholm to the highest specs.

JerseySaab
Member
3 years 18 days ago

And not only that, Bjรถrn Envall took his inspiration for the 9000’s seat design from the Muppets’ Pigs in Space space ship! That’s a distinction you are not going to find in a BMW or Audi!

Pigs in Space Saab 9000 seats

Stephen Goldberger
Member
3 years 18 days ago
Taking this for what it is – a long ago memory of a conversation with a long time Saab independent service provider who was at the time part owner in a dealership. What he said was that Saab had designed an absolute “killer” interior for the 9-3SS, but GM nixed it to save $600 per car. And that he had an existing Saab customer who came in to look at the 9-3 – when the wife sat down in the 9-3 and looked at the trim, she immediately stood up and said to the effect that “this stuff is crap… Read more »
SteveW
Member
3 years 18 days ago

This is a horror story. Who knows, that stupid decision may well have been the beginning of all the hellish things that have happened.

zippy
Member
3 years 18 days ago

Gotta totally agree with that statement!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 18 days ago
NEVS has to think long and hard about their strategy. I know everyone wants “the best” of everything, even for a revised 9-3 based on a design that’s well over a decade in service. You won’t accept a less than perfect engine, interior, materials for the interior, etc. Top notch all the way, spare no expense. But at what cost? Mercedes-Benz is now selling their CLA (4 doors) starting at under $30,000 in the U.S. Mercedes image, reputation, resale value for less than 30K. NEVS has to consider that when they price their “new” car.
JerseySaab
Member
3 years 18 days ago

Yeah, what’s up with that? A Benz for practically Honda Accord money? ???

Quixcube
Member
3 years 17 days ago
I bought a 2013 Accord LX (manual transmission) last week. It is the absolute base model. $0 in options. It cost me $20,050 US dollars ($19,500 plus $550 processing fee). That’s a fine price for the Accord, and it is pretty much the baseline for expectations in a midsize family car today. It is much bigger than the 9-3 inside, but it drives small if you know what I mean. The 6 speed manual is slick and the new for this year 2.4 inline 4 is strong, sounds good when revved and returns very good MPGs. The whole car feels… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
3 years 16 days ago
The Accord and Camry have been the benchmark for mid-sized family cars for a long time. The 2013 you bought—-for 20K—was that a new car or pre-owned? Just curious: Is that same no-frills model available with an automatic transmission as the only option? If so, how much does that add? For Saab to succeed, I think they have to fill a few very narrow niche markets. I would love to see a diesel in the U.S. A station wagon is something that most others aren’t doing well. If Saab can nail that, they’d have something that a lot of the… Read more »
Quixcube
Member
3 years 16 days ago
It is a new Accord. The CVT (I’m not a fan of CVT transmissions, but it is the only auto offered with the 4 cylinder engine) adds $800 to the price. You can add it as a stand-alone option. There is a “Sport” package available that adds a power driver’s seat, leather steering wheel / shifter knob, and 18 inch wheels for around $1700 more. I skipped that, but I see a lot of them on the road. I totally agree with you about Saab needing something to set them apart. We have disagreed in the past on how well… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
3 years 16 days ago
I think Saab can pursue EVs (or preferably hybrids) but to have that as their ONLY offering—-I think would eliminate a high percentage of people who were willing to buy Saabs in the past. We were willing to buy from a small volume manufacturer with a spotty dealer network—-because we loved the character of the cars. But a lot of us would walk away if the only offering was an EV—-just because we might not be ready to own one at this time. I’d like them to at least have a couple ICE options available for Saab purists and they… Read more »
fred diesel
Member
3 years 17 days ago
There is a “new” 175Kmile 06 93 Combi R+D prototype running on this “island”. It was a 2Lpetrol with a blown turbo auto remade into a 1.9 TiD 6speed. 45mpg and unreal 30-80 in third gear. Maybe faster than petrols?? Coulda sold 10Ks of these. The 99 95 grey leather vented seats were a HUGE improvement over the stock 93s. Would highly recommend NEVS to get the seats to at least this level. Spent some time heatgunning the hideous plastic wood off the dash of this poor car. Lutz, was this your idea? Now that Saab? has been unleashed from… Read more »
Polle
Member
3 years 18 days ago
I own a 9-5 ’06 and a NG9-5 ’10. I occasionally drive a 9-3 from various MY. My preffered interior: 1. NG9-5 2. 9-5 3. 9-3 For me it is not about the materials, but the amosphere. When I get in to the NG9-5, it relaxes me and gives me a very comfortable and “in control” feeling. The experience in the new and old 9-5 is similar, but the 9-3 just doesn’t have that. I hope NEVS finds a way to get that experience or feeling into the new model. The interior should be more wrapped around the driver. And… Read more »
SteveW
Member
3 years 18 days ago

+1

saabluster
Member
3 years 17 days ago

They need to ditch all the buttons altogether and make it like the Tesla Model S. One gigantic touchscreen. It would give the old Saab something to distinguish itself in the very competitive marketplace. Would definitely get some attention which Saab will very much need.

zippy
Member
3 years 16 days ago

Now there is a ridiculous car. Ugly interior with not a door pocket in sight. The entire thing looks like a badly put together kit car.

Aeronils
Member
3 years 14 days ago
well, one detail, nobody thinks about, but makes me ashamed to come up with with my Saab. I drove a new leased 9-5 SC 2005, I needed a stationwagon and for leasing it was cheaper than the just brand new 9-3 SC. I had a green 9-5 sedan on LPG before this one, that I blow-up at 180k KM. before I drove a 9-3 (900NG) on LPG, horrible driving experience for me (2L injection), no confidence in the driving behaviour. and therefore my first Saab a 9000 CD Auto, beautyfull car, I drove till 330k. Now I drive little, take… Read more »
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