What is dated design?

Yesterday in the evening I had some work to do at my office, and I when looked outside the window and saw this I had to make a picture to share it with you.

Dated design

I don’t know you, but If I have to compare both convertibles, I don’t feel the the one in the front really looks 12 years older (design wise) than the one in the back.

I love my two Saabs, so I’m highly biased. So what is your opinion?

Martin T16s
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3 years 23 days ago

This generation 9-3 is almost timeless, it just does not seem to age! it looks as good and fresh today as when it was first launched.

albertvdb
Member
3 years 23 days ago

it is still a great looking car and will be also in 20 years from now.

saabsideways
Member
3 years 23 days ago

Very few mainstream convertibles look as timeless as the 9-3, the last to my mind were the E30 BMW or the MK1 Golf and of course the original 900.

Ken H
Member
3 years 23 days ago

Saab equals timeless design. It might not be the hot bread of the day, but it does not crumble away the first either.

SteveW
Member
3 years 23 days ago

The Saab looks twice as good. Added to which I bet if you could only drive the Saab 9 months a year because it is was a complete liability on snow and ice that would be presented as an insurmountable problem. But hey its a Beemer so everyone accepts it’ll spin as soon as things get slippery and it doesn’t get criticism – we live in a strange ” kings new clothes” world.

Niels-Søren Bøgh
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3 years 23 days ago

If I did not know, I will guess that the beamer was 12 years older… 😉

I will go for the modern looking Saab!

Mailr
Member
3 years 23 days ago

I was about to write the same thing. +1

hans h
Member
3 years 23 days ago

+1

Joel
Member
3 years 23 days ago

+1

I think we all thought the same, the BMW simply looks by far the older car of the two!! 🙂

Troels, Denmark
Member
3 years 19 days ago

++

A Williams
Guest
3 years 23 days ago

Don’t forget that the 1 series was launched in 2004 and the 9-3 is the revised model launched in 2007.
I’ve been looking at buying a post-2007 9-3 and I love the look and design of them, they look great on the road, though have been disappointed by the interior finish and driving feel, which is why I haven’t committed.
They certainly got it right with the redesign and I was never that taken with the rather dull and utilitarian front end of the 2003 9-3 saloon.

xelav
Member
3 years 23 days ago

Yes the Saab looks timeless , but when you pas a railroad crossing with both the cars you’ll notice the the stif body of the Beamer won’t crack and make scary noises, like the 93 does. But hey, we’re talking design here.

Marque
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3 years 22 days ago

I thought that the 9-3ss chassis is rigid as rock. Some say its upright too rigid that its a little whippy on bumpy road.

lundin
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3 years 22 days ago
Correct, when the convertible was designed it was given a special chassis reinforcements in order to maintain the good driving characteristics that characterise the Saab 9-3SS Mainly three points: The front subframe is significantly reinforced with a cross brace that stiffens it up considerably compared with the subframe in the Saab 9-3 Sport Saloon. In addition, the subframe is rigidly fitted, i.e. no rubber bushes in the subframe mounting to the body. The rear subframe is also rigidly fitted to the body and additionally reinforced by two strong stays that join it with the body. A reinforcement of the tunnel… Read more »
Eleven
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3 years 23 days ago

Totally and utterly agree, the facelifted 9-3 look spectacular but…

BMW seem to give their models a tweak every year, the 1 series does look slightly dated, but maybe that’s because we’ve all spotted the newer versions, maybe we’ll all feel the same when we see the new 9-3.

Saying that, I choose the 9-3 over the BMW every single time, love it, and I also believe it’s pretty timeless too.

zippy
Member
3 years 23 days ago

The 9-3 does have timeless design but the ‘new’ instrument panel completely ruins the whole car to the point it actually puts me off getting one unless it were a TurboX.

xelav
Member
3 years 23 days ago

+1, totally agree with you. Especially that cheap plastic part where the info display used to be.

Turbo9000
Member
3 years 23 days ago

You’re absolutely right about that; even though I like the exterior better, I would still go for a 2006 9-3; the one with the Saaby ‘push-button’ cockpit. It’s the only Saab dash that comes close to the airplane-like feel of the 9000.
Hopefully the upcoming NEVS 9-3 will once again have a proper Saab interior, along with a properly engineered turbo engine…

Niels-Søren Bøgh
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3 years 23 days ago
I do not agreen… I think that it works very well. In my MY12 it have been made better in quality – no noise from plastics. Except the center consol – it requires 10 minutes and 1 meter of ruber tape to become silent. But, compare to my old 9-5 MY01 the quality seems not as good – that I agree. But the 9-3 looks more like a stylish design even that it is old (nordic design). I actuallly just saw a new review by young danish motor jurnalist that did not know the 9-3. He startet out by the… Read more »
Jason Petho
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3 years 22 days ago

Except the center consol – it requires 10 minutes and 1 meter of ruber tape to become silent.

I would be interested to know how to do this.

Any hints?

Thank you
Jason Petho

bpsorrel
Member
3 years 23 days ago

The styling of the 9-3 convertible is much better – a fresh, timeless design that doesn’t seem to age. But, engineering and interior quality the BMW has it beat, But then we know that. Design points win to the Saab! 🙂

Turbo9000
Member
3 years 23 days ago

Too bad BMW uses red dash lighting. Red lights mean trouble; driving a BMW or Audi at night always makes me feel like there is a ‘Red Alert’ situation… 🙁
Also, when there is a malfunction and a red light comes on, there is a chance you won’t notice it as quickly..

900 classic cab
Guest
3 years 23 days ago

The exterior design is still very appealing to me. The interior console of the post 2007 9-3 actually disappointed me a bit, particularly if there is no GPS screen. In fact, I prefer my 2005 9-3 “cockpit”. Let’s hope the build quality will be as good as the previous exterior designs.

Turbo9000
Member
3 years 23 days ago

+1

saabyurk
Member
3 years 23 days ago

Great catch. Wonder if this is the same Saab on Wikimedia. I was drooling over the image of the —white— cabrio earlier:
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Absolutely timeless design.

dcpattie
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3 years 23 days ago

the latest 9-3 has aged well. I think the NG 9-5 is a design that will last. BMW is the best at this. 7-series can look dated but the 3 & 5 series age particularly well.

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 23 days ago
Say what you will about the GM era Saabs—-but just about every single one of them has stood the test of time, design-wise. I think the 9-5 series (wagon and especially sedan) STILL look fresh—dating well beyond 10 years ago. And the 9-3, in many ways, looks even fresher than the 9-5. I’ll say it again: With a very minor freshen-up, NEVS can breathe new life into the 9-3 for all markets. The car hasn’t been seen all over the roads in most places—-people seeing them for the first time, or seeing them up close for the first time, will… Read more »
Aaron Dominguez
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3 years 23 days ago

Although I totally agree with the fact that the 9-3s design is timeless, technically the BMW 1 series was released in 2004 so that’s only two years newer then Saab. You could really say that the design is the same age because the 1 series received its major facelift in 08 same as the Saab 9-3. Of course it wasn’t as major as the 9-3s.

Jesse Crandle
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3 years 23 days ago

I would buy the Saab over the BMW every time, but I think what people mean by “dated design” is that since it’s been around for a couple years it’s suddenly dated. Dated doesn’t mean it doesn’t look good, it means people have the attention span of a goldfish and want a new looking model every 2 years so they can prove they have the newest and the best. It’s pretty sad…

Marque
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3 years 21 days ago
+1 Besides, because of this avid design-race, 99% of car models do look dated after a good couple of years, as those hourly remolded designs and tacky, forgettable formal details that saturate the last decade of the car world do sink in a rash pace. Not only majority of car companies are simply unable to make a nice and characteristic design, but also they don’t even attempt to. All they want is to strike you with their latest, fanciest creature and whilst your daze holds, you’re hearing an inner whispering that it’s tremendously “innovative”, or even “futuristic” and (partly because… Read more »
BLACKAERO
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3 years 23 days ago
These BMW convertibles are a dime a dozen. They are everywhere. I think BMW’s in general, and specifically the one in your photo, look like old men’s cars (I am an old man by the way). Nothing to recommend them styling-wise on the exterior or interior in my opinion. My Saabs make my heart skip a beat whenever I look a them. I have yet to find any car I like better. One of the things I like best about the 9-3 is the lack of the latest technology – especially on the inside of the car. They are still… Read more »
Anders
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3 years 23 days ago

office with a view.! NICE.

hilmar
Member
3 years 23 days ago

Modern and dynamic car in the foreground. Imagine JC would have designed the phoenix …

zippy
Member
3 years 22 days ago

As long as it looked ALOT better than the hideous monstrosity he called a Saab that I am sure would have bombed.

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 22 days ago

I still reserve judgement on that. Without seeing a production model, inside and out, from all angles, it’s hard to know if it would have bombed or if it would have been a hit.

StefanH STHLM
Member
3 years 23 days ago

The saab look fantastic!

Phillip
Guest
3 years 23 days ago

The 9-3 still looks modern and has such fantastic lines. With a minor facelift it will be a perfect on the outside for NEVS. I only hope that they improve the plastics inside. When I purchased my new 9-3 this was the one thing that I really didn’t like. And the interior did not wear very well. If they sort this out then I would buy one. Remember the first 9-3 and how good that interior was!

kochje
Member
3 years 23 days ago

RedJ; I agree with you; this convertable is beautiful and still the nicest one on the market.
This beauty also easily gives room to four adults.
( So you sometimes may drive this nice Saab as well 🙂 ?)

Carlo A
Member
3 years 23 days ago

You know RedJ you are absolutely right! The 9-3 convertible is moderd especially after the launch of the new front!

Angelo V.
Member
3 years 22 days ago

Speaking of dates: I wonder when the date will be, for the first NEVSAAB to roll off the assembly line, completed. And I wonder what the date of the first sale will be? If possible—-wouldn’t it be great to have another fund raiser here—-to try to get the first production NEVS secured for the museum? It could be shown side-by-side with the last Muller produced Saab, or strategically placed to tell the story of an ending and a beginning.

bpsorrel
Member
3 years 22 days ago

+1 great idea Angelo!

SteveW
Member
3 years 22 days ago

+1

martinsaab
Member
3 years 22 days ago

Yes, we are biased…
Anyway, whenever I leave either the office parking lot or the one at home, I can’t stop thinking my yellow Saab vert is the most beautiful car around…

OddJob
Member
3 years 22 days ago

Wow! A picture that tells more than a thousand motoring journalists.

Donald Munro
Member
3 years 22 days ago

That looks like a “staged” photo to me (2 white cabrios sitting across the road from one another)! Who cares if it is. I don’t know if it’s because I’m biased perhaps, but all SAAB convertibles look beautiful, period. NEVS take note….

scand
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3 years 22 days ago
‘What is dated design?’ . Answer. Saab 9-3. Is the 9-3 still pretty? Of course. Is it a good design? Yes. But. It doesn’t matter how good it is ( or was), a particular car designs sales will peak, then decline in a pretty predicable manner, no matter how good or what brand it is. If you don’t renew, your sales will decline year on year. Car buyers being what they are, for the most part will want *something* new each time they return to buy a new car ( ie every 4,5 or 6 years) Staistically they are fairly… Read more »
Silas
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3 years 21 days ago
I agree that the design can look great and not be “dated” by design but having changes every few years helps most owners feel like they are getting a new car. Even if it is a few minor tweaks every few years just to identify the different model years helps. A big thing that helped the newer 9-3s and 9-5s is the body colored trim line that was black before. The black plastic fades and gives an older look to the car. I’ve had people comment on my 2001 9-3 and shocked when they find out it is 12 years… Read more »
SteveW
Member
3 years 21 days ago

“My base model 9-3 feels like it has better interior quality than my ’07 9-5 Aero and after looking inside an ’04 9-5 Aero this past weekend, I feel like I got gypped on materials”

I’m afraid you did, in 2006 the GM bean counters killed the interior and doomed Saab.

christian
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3 years 22 days ago
I think I said it many times before: I would be more than happy with a facelift that would allow every NEVS 9-3 version to wear the Aero look of ’08-’11 (as on this beautiful white convertible). THIS is timeless design to my eyes. Designwise, I don’t need nothing else. The Griffin facelift was a step back, if you ask me. Improve the interior quality by using better plastics, do some ‘un-squeeking’ – and you’re done. Of course, some technical updates would be nice. Also, get rid of as many kilos as you can – I like the idea mentioned… Read more »
olaf95
Member
3 years 22 days ago

I think the same everytime I see my 9-5 Griffin from 2009 standing next to actual cars. Saab Design is pure, clean and needs no decorative elements.

Patrik H
Member
3 years 22 days ago
Saab exterior design is what got me into Saab from the get-go. I may be biased, but I find the 9-3 to be infinitely more interesting than the 1 series shown in that photo. The 2003 and 2008 9-3 is timeless and probably the most-beautiful Saab from the GM era besides maybe only the NG 9-5. I echo the sentiments about improved interior materials. I have a 9-3 and I love the interior DESIGN, especially the cockpit feel at night, but the materials should have been a grade or two better. Less plastic, more leather; better steering wheel; no squeaks… Read more »
Mark
Member
3 years 21 days ago

I much prefer the 9-3 design but that could be because I have two (post and pre facelift), while the face lift version looks more modern and aggressive, the pre 2007 design still strikes me as classy while understated (in a good way).
Improve the interior quality with less hard plastics, even if it raises the cost it will pay dividends. I am sure the 9-3 can be uprated to give a fresh look and exude more quality, people really notice this on the interior.
In terms of the picture the Saab just looks better than the BMW.

christian
Member
3 years 20 days ago

Speaking of design: Is it just me or is JC now working for Nissan??? See: http://www.4wheelfun.de/news/nissan-x-trail-auf-der-iaa-das-ist-der-neue-nissan-x-trail-7694779.html

David-SAAB
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3 years 20 days ago

Hey everyone! Haven’t been here for a very long time. Good see some familiar names here. I agree the 9-3 looks better as that 1 series looked dated the day it was released. I’m sure the chassis is tighter though.
Regretfully sold my 9-3 3 months ago and am now the proud owner of a new C-Class coupe. C250. I must say it feels good to be in a car that is current. Still a soft spot for Saab though, and always will…

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