Chris Hansel
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Let me be the first, here at least, to thank Scott for his famous blog. I have used it may times for help. Scott was very ill a couple of years back, but like the fighter he is, he came back and Saabnet is still up. Great job Scott!

maanders
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Yes, it is thanks to Scott and Saabnet that I am now a Saab fan. I was shopping for a new car in 2000 and had never owned a Saab before. I was looking at VW Passat and kept seeing it compared to the 9-3 hatchback, so I started reading about Saab, found Saabnet and asked a lot of questions. I still have that first Saab I bought and it now has 212,000 miles and still going, thanks to Saabnet!

Red J
Member
2 years 11 months ago

I don’t want to be the bad guy in the movie, but the sentence “On the Internet since 1988” can’t be right. The WorldWideWeb, what most of the people understand as the Internet, came to the public in 1993.

But there was life before the internet (gopher, usenet, AOL), so I think we should congratulate Saabnet for being on-line since 1988.

Thylmuc
Member
2 years 11 months ago

what most people understand as the Internet is not relevant to its correct definition. The Internet comprises IP, TCP and UDP protocols (and some more), and went online in 1983. Saabnet will probably have used the news system in 1988. Actually, there was lots of activity on the Internet before the WWW protocol was developed.

JerseySaab
Member
2 years 11 months ago
I’ve been working with the internet and its immediate predecessors since the early 1980s, and do recall the term “internet” (as a shortening of “internetworking”) being used by at least some at that time. The world-wide web is NOT the internet, it is merely one service available on it! See the RFCs! As has been pointed out, the internet was quite active well before there were web sites. Saabnet started out as an ARPA-style mailing list. I still have some of old those mailings around, I think 2005 was the year that the mailing list was terminated and Saabnet went… Read more »
Phil
Member
2 years 11 months ago

All the visitors from SU must have decided to check out saabnet at the same time and took it down… hehe :p

JerseySaab
Member
2 years 11 months ago

I meant that to be a frownie face! It’s always a bad day when Saabnet is down. 🙁

maanders
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Scott reported that unfortunately his main server had a disk crash. He is restoring on to the backup server now and Saabnet should be back online soon.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Clarification on this can only be confirmed by Al Gore, inventor of the internet and savior of the Earth.

JerseySaab
Member
2 years 11 months ago
Well, I just had to dig out my Unix Programmer’s Manual for Berkeley Unix 4.1aBSD. This book carries a copyright of 1979 and 1980 by Bell Labs and a print date of June, 1981 by the Computer Science Division of the University of California. There are a number of commands and library routines dealing with networking even this early on. Of particular relevance to the discussion at hand is an entry for the socket() system call, used to create a network connection between applications: “Socket creates a communication endpoint …” … A lot of detailed description deleted. I do note… Read more »
SaabKen
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Unix, ha. I did two years of Unix workstation work, on an SGI Indigo, in the ’90s.

Just don’t do “rm -r *.*” 😉

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 11 months ago

I was in Communications in college, not computers. But some of my much smarter than me friends (that would be most of them) studied “Fortran.” Wasn’t that a computer language back in the 80s?

JerseySaab
Member
2 years 11 months ago

I did a lot of Fortran programming back in the day. That language is still in use today. For a real good time try some APL programming!

maanders
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Oh, wow! Have not used APL since one course back in college. That is one different language…

JerseySaab
Member
2 years 11 months ago

My brain hurts just thinking about APL and it’s been over 30 years since I’ve touched it!

JerseySaab
Member
2 years 11 months ago
Yes, running rm -rf /* gets rid of a host of ills! (No operating system, no data, no worries! Kids, don’t try this at home!!) Another example from that old Unix manual is the rhost() and raddr() functions: “rhost, raddr — look up internet hosts by name or address… Rhost is given a pointer to a name for an internet host… Raddr … takes an internet address and looks up the name.” For socket() as well as these, the user is warned that the interface provided is provisional and may be changed before the 4.2BSD release. Since 32-bit internet addresses… Read more »
Scott Paterson
Guest
2 years 11 months ago

I did a bad rm -rf command when I was installing a new server once.. Crap, re-install time. I’m not sure I learned my lesson completely…;-)

-Scott

Scott Paterson
Guest
2 years 11 months ago

It’s actually quite simple. The Saab Network started as a mailing list when I couldn’t find Saab help on the USENET group rec.autos. We had about 100 Saabers on the mailing list in the first year. When I arrived at Dartmouth in 1986, I had a Mac and there was a port in my room, one for each of us. I plugged it in and was connected to, and this is what we called it then, the Internet. I mostly used it to grab free Mac software of the Mac archive hosted at Sumex-Aim on the Stanford servers.

tombalas
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Saabnet’s model specific bulletin boards are information gold mines. Easier to search than SaabCentral. If your Saab has a problem, search Saabnet and you will likely find a detailed discussion on how to address it. And there are a number of expert Saab techs that contribute to that board – particularly a guy named Anders who knows Saabs like no other. It makes owning a Saab so much easier than my Volvo, for which I wish there was a comparable site.

JH
Member
2 years 11 months ago

Congratulations to SaabNet! I have found some useful information there at times. Let’s hope they’ll be online for another 25 years! 😉

Scott Paterson
Guest
2 years 11 months ago

Thanks for these comments. I really appreciate it. Sorry, I missed this announcement on SU until now.

-Scott

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