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Nevs #002; (future) model choices

December 2, 2013 in NEVS, SAAB Production

After the photo session, Rikard and I had a brief chat with Frank Smit, Vehicle Program Manager to clarify a few things.

Nevs are currently targetting China. There is currently only one model on the line, and that is the 9-3 Aero 220 bhp sedan. There are no Biopower or XWD options. XWD adds weight and drives up fuel consumption and adds no clear benefit in warmer climates. Plus there is no ethanol framework in place in China. So two of our favorite Saab technologies have currently been shelved, but may resurface at a later date. Finally, there is no demand for diesel in China, so I guess we won’t be seeing the 1.9 TTiD again any time soon either. “We have to start somewhere”.

The upcoming facelift is designed in-house in Trollhättan. No names were named, but Frank emphasized that they are doing this locally.

This new and slightly improved Griffin comes with a greater number of non-GM parts. Frank pointed out that they have involved Orio when designing replacements, so Frank says a number of these components will fit older 9-3s and this should help ensure that parts for the 9-3 will be readily available in the future.

Oh, that convertible mentioned in one of the slides? There will be an EV version of that too. The EV versions no longer removes a third of the backseat and they will have similar weight distribution as their petrol cousins. “Around 50-50, with a little more weight added to the front probably. These are, after all, FWD.”

A few pictures after the jump.

92 responses to Nevs #002; (future) model choices

  1. “..that convertible mentioned in one of the slides? There will be an EV version of that too. The EV versions no longer removes a third of the backseat and they will have similar weight distribution as their petrol cousins. “Around 50-50, with a little more weight added to the front probably. These are, after all, FWD.” ”
    Very nice news!!!! :-) :-)

  2. The car look great! It´s a shame about the loss of BioPower, but let´s hope for the future. My driving pattern would cope with EV, but I will wait until the Phoenix version at the earliest. Until then, I will keep my E85 9-5 and drive eco friendly.

    The only thing I don’t like from today is that Annie Lööv was given the honor of cutting the ribbon. The absolutely worst Minister of Enterprise we ever had in Sweden was the predecessor Maud Olofsson. Maud Olofsson was responsible for a great part of ruining the possibilities for Saab by not supporting Swedish industry in the time of need. In fact she did the exact opposite. The Saab factory would be better off without “Center Party” ministers. The “Center Party” should not take any credit at all for the state of Saab today.

    • Good point. The only thing Annie Lööf can do to prove the opposite is to place an order for government cars and make it official news.
      The “Center Party” need to to be closed down permanently.

  3. So I was wrong and Tim was right. Or was I ?

    Indeed, not all cars are heading for China. A handfull will be available in Sweden via the internet. Oh, and they’ll throw in a free visit of the plant when you come over to pick-up your car. NEVS’ management may even take a few moments to talk to you (right….). Jeez, I wonder why no other, experienced car manufacturer has tought about this great new way of selling cars before ?

    So, if I live in Stockholm and wanted to buy a new Saab, exaclty how long a drive would I have to take on to go and get my new car ? What if I lived a bit further up north ? Seriously, how many cars do they hope to reasonably sell this way ?

    China is the word for now. Sweden direct sales will be anectodic and a slap if the face of every former Saab dealer who now feels left it the cold. Main reason IMHO (for Europe) is they have no diesel engine.They haven’t been able to get one in the last 2 years, and one can only hope they find (and fit) one in the next 6 months.

    Again, I have no issue with that as a strategy (l wouldn’t launch in Europe without a diesel either), but I think their communication about all this really sucks.
    I think for now, Europe and US have to put Saab back in the fridge where it was until last month and wait for next spring.

    But don’t get me wrong, today’s step is essential to get to next spring, I only question the com, not the strat.

    2T

    • “exaclty how long a drive would I have to take on to go and get my new car” — googlemaps will answer that. But in your case, the drive isn’t that extreme. Heck, a few of those present today drove that distance and more.

      I’m sure other delivery options can be worked out.

      Either way, my impression is that in this round, most cars will go to China. There are quite a few enthusiasts around who would love an extra trip to the factory. We have even had discussions on SU about this in the past. There used to be a factory delivery programme in the US, where the customer would pick up his Saab in the factory and then drive around in Europe to a pre-arranged pickup point where the car would be whisked away across the ocean.

      They clearly are not geared up for full production now. And it looks to me that although we’ll see a rampup near the summer, we most likely will not see production going full tilt a year from now either.

      Besides, the next platform is what many of us will be waiting for.

      (I did not write this in the post, because I did not want to mix in too much of my own speculation)

      Yes, they could improve their communication, but… If they know they can’t make big moves within the next year or so, what is there actually to communicate? Why commit to something now, that might change radically six months down the road?

      • “Yes, they could improve their communication, but… If they know they can’t make big moves within the next year or so, what is there actually to communicate? Why commit to something now, that might change radically six months down the road?”

        Rune, I think you’re drinking the same company Kool-Aid that has apparently numbed Tim to anything but a defense of NEVS and they’re apparent strategy of doing nothing to cultivate a rabid and loyal fan base that any other manufacturer would be falling all over themselves to keep that base happy. But all we hear is that the can’t “commit” to something now. Frankly, and with all respect, that’s BS. Any company of the size of NEVS has definitely made plans for six months and presumably a lot longer down the road. Perhaps those plans get changed and amended. But if they don’t have plans, they’re fools. And if they don’t make the effort to enlist Saab loyalists in their plans and marketing, then they’re twice fools. And you, and especially Tim, start looking more and more every day like company shills rather than advocates for us and place for accurate and unvarnished information an opinions.

        I think we’ve been shown precious little today, with little promise for the future. If it takes 18 months to build a car that has basically been sitting on a stopped assembly line, which could have been started with a few strategic hires and some quick agreement with suppliers, I fear for them doing anything down the road remotely ambitious.

        • Agreed, hughw.
          This is a deceptively small step.
          Objective data is also deceptively hard to come by….

        • I have nothing to add Hugh. You pretty much summed it up.

        • Exceptionally well said, especially the part about such a loyal customer base. We want to be excited, but why can’t some of the excitement be returned?

        • Yeah, Hugh you pretty much hit the nail on the head with that. I’m all for the Nevs is trying to do in theory, but some constructive criticism wouldn’t hurt.

          Nevs has an exceptional opportunity with the huge following that Saab has and it doesn’t really look like they’ve tried tapping into it, especially with in insistent talk about how China is the priority. That’s great that they have a clear goal, but maybe give the other half of the planet some better outreach? Considering that some of us have been with Saab for decades.

        • It might be a Nordic thing. Back in 2011, a Dutch man (who I still sympathize greatly with) with his back to the wall was trying to attract investors by parting as much information about the future as he possibly could. Possible new models, plans and schedules were put on the table, but as things failed to materialize (as Murphy’s Law sometimes dictates) the backlash, especially here in Sweden, was pretty harsh. A newspaper editor said he had been driving Saabs for decades, but his next car would be a BMW because he was not happy with “the broken promises” (“do they have a deal or not?” he asked when Youngman insisted that they were the ones who struck a deal first pushing out the Chinese partner Saab announced originally).

          E.g. the facelift. It was believed that it would have been ready by now. –it happens and in the end it turns out we will see a gradual introduction. But on paper, it is a broken “promise”. Since it was underreported, the fallout from that broken “promise” is ignorable.

          That is one reason. The other reason, as I see it, is that the production volume will remain low for quite some time. It would be challenging to fill dealerships in Sweden with cars, let alone all of Saab’s traditional markets. Saab’s comeback will take time and patience.

          And finally… There are some rather bizarre forces in play, such as the EU demanding even smaller CO2 emissions. One gentleman of the media yesterday almost ridiculed Nevs for producing another petrol-driven car, hinting that doing so would poison the entire planet. The somewhat ironic CO2-cult is in full swing (ironic, since CO2 is the most important component of all life on our planet) and rules and regulations could change radically before Nevs have had time to carry out their plans.

          That said, I am worried and deeply concerned. This is definitively not an ideal situation. In 2011 (or even late 2010) some people argued that Victor should have declared bankruptcy sooner. Now we see why bankruptcy wasn’t an ideal solution: As many predicted, GM took many important pieces off the board and today’s Saab is left with what is essentially a fraction of what it had (the 9-5 combi would have been nice to have now, no?). Nevs are playing the hand they were dealt and they are starting from scratch. What we see is a new company with familiar faces and one very familiar product.

          • So Rune, if I read that correctly—-you’re saying that the only time a company should communicate anything is after it’s completed, when there is absolutely no chance of anything delaying it? In other words, do not share your vision with potential customers—-do not talk in generalities about the future, about possible new products and new markets—plans? Only make public statements after things are 100% secure? That being the case, there needs to be an end to concept vehicles at car shows. And much of the content of our car magazines needs to go away too. For better or for worse, many car buyers around the world are now accustomed to reading and hearing what our favorite manufacturers are doing and what they plan to do—-not just what they’ve done. If NEVS can’t master a little bit of “sneak previewing” they’ll be dead in the water soon enough. Maybe then a proper company will obtain the rights to the name? I hate to be that negative and I have to believe that NEVS has at least a rudimentary understanding of sales/marketing and they’re just understaffed or late to the party with it. But if they truly will conduct themselves as you suggest—-not a peep out of them on any matter until it’s completed—-not a picture or an interview until a product is off the assembly line—maybe they can achieve some fleet sales in China and if that’s enough to keep them happy, God bless them. But they’ll fall flat on their face anywhere else in the world—and honestly, Chinese consumers won’t respond well to that either. Selling EVs based on a decade old design to a municipality—-if that’s their business plan and they have firm orders, more power to them.

            • There are quite a few companies who have been very successful by keeping things secret. Apple is one example. They kept cards very tight to their chest, especially back when they were not doing so well (i.e. just prior to launching the iPod).

              As for a ‘sneak preview’ — well, that is exactly what you received. You now know what to expect from Trollhättan for MY15 and you already have a pretty good idea of what will follow next (hybrid).

              Nevs are keeping the factory going until they can complete the new platform. I’m not sure what more you expect at this point? You want them to launch the MY16 models already?

              I wish I knew more, but I don’t. If you want a mainstream car backed by a traditional dealership network, then it is fair to say that Nevs just aren’t offering that at this juncture. That might change, or it might not.

              • Hybrid? Really? That would be good, but I don’t remember seeing any reference to that except in your post.

                • Hugh: If something is repeated often enough, it becomes the quasi-truth. I’ve fallen into the same trap of assuming a Saab hybrid is on the horizon. I don’t know why—-other than the fact that we’ve gone from speculation to certainty with all of the posts, “Saab = Hybrid.” I think part of it might be rooted in the fact that we’re stupefied that NEVS would consider putting 95% of their eggs in the EV basket—-we’re so certain they will fall flat on their faces and become an automotive laughingstock—biggest since the Edsel—-that we’ve invented this notion that they’re actually going to come to their senses and build hybrids as an alternative to EVs—-that they’ll deliver a new series of gas engined cars and hybrids—-we’re concluding that based on common sense, not on anything they’ve said (since they haven’t said much of anything). What they have said is in a really loud voice “CHINA” and “ELECTRIC VEHICLES” and once they determined that some of us were right all along—-and that their first cars should be gas engined—-then they built a gas engined car (and plan at least a few thousand more) and added to their business plan that until EVs are more accepted for our needs—-ICE vehicles will be part of the mix. That’s great that they figured that out months after we did. But hybrids? I don’t know. Rune might have the inside scoop on them continuing to evolve and ditching EVs for hybrids—-which would be fantastic.

                  • No, I don’t have the inside scoop, but I could have sworn they mentioned a future hybrid when they were talking at the Saab-festival last May. It doesn’t mean they’ll ditch an alternative. Kjell ac Bergström (back then) stressed that they wanted to let the customer choose (disclaimer: the sound in that room was absolutely horrid, so what I heard and what they really said could be two different things).

        • Pretty much a perfect reply. The increasing lack of relevance of the site to the (dwindling) Saab enthusiast base here in the real world is crushingly sad…

        • Your’re 100% right with their lack of communication, but: “And if they don’t make the effort to enlist Saab loyalists in their plans and marketing, then they’re twice fools.” … Their focus are EV’s in China. Is this what the remaining Saab loyalists want ? No. They want combustion/hybrid engines and maybe EV’s in Europe and U.S.. So why should NEVS include Saab fan base in their plans ?

          • Of course Nevs wants Saabs fan base. Or else they wouldn’t have bought a company with a built-in fan base/customer group. But they also wants to survive as a company, and therefore have to sell cars to other customers also. They have to. We have to get more Saab fans. :-)
            So let’s wait until we see what the electric cars will be, before slagging off Nevs, please. These cars are not “the main event”.

            • If your words would be the words from NEVS to the fan base, that would be a clean message. But they aren’t.

              If the new 9-3 doesn’t sell, it can happen, that this was the main event. Hopely the reality will look much better.

            • Also, Hans, many of the Saab fan base would prefer, for the time being, ICE cars with turbocharged engines. For my part, I’d love a diesel—-or even an economical engine without a turbo, to propel a small hatchback. My point is that if their primary focus is EVs, they’re already not connecting with a huge percentage of current Saab enthusiasts. I understand their desire to build electric vehicles as a big part of their product portfolio—-but if they really expect to reach the Saab base, they need to also offer modern vehicles with internal combustion powerplants. In the absence of that, I’m perplexed as to why they’d even want the Saab name. They could have bought the factory/technology and not even bothered to go after the name. Could have called it “Clean Green Motors” and we’d be all set. Saab would have rested in peace or maybe the name could have been licensed to a car builder who would build Saabs.

          • I think everything about transportation right now is up for grabs. I was at an IT conference here in the U.S. a few weeks ago where someone said that Ford (yes, Ford) is preparing for the fact that within 10, years they will be moving from the car business into the entertainment or “infotainment” business. This is based on surveys showing many of today’s younger adults do not plan to buy a car (or a house for that matter). It does not matter if the car is ICE, hybrid or electric…they just do not want one and the cost involved. What they are not willing to give up is their connected device (i.e., smart phone, tablet, etc.) So, Ford is trying more and more to figure out how to make the vehicle of the future an extension of the mobile device. They figure the only way to convince younger buyers to buy a car, perhaps electric, and self-driving (like Google is experimenting with), is to turn the vehicle into a richer connected experience.

            So much for the Saab (or general car) culture of the connection with the driver….if this becomes true.

        • OK, yes, they have to start somewhere. I do consider yesterday’s event as a big step towards SAAB’s/NEVS’ future that is hopefully bright and in line with their mission, which has my full sympathy and support.

          I followed parts of Mr. Bergman’s presentation yesterday live on TV4 and must say that I felt the SAAB spirit, strongly. It felt really good, that’s why I still love my SAAB so much, even though it’s mother company went through hell and back during the last few years. Therefore, I wish NEVS all the best and good luck for their future endeavours!

          So, am I willing to keep up my support for the SAAB brand? Hell yes!!! Even through purchases? Well, maybe. I just don’t know. For the moment, I am very happy indeed that SAAB is back with a new product, even though it is mainly intended for the Chinese and the Swedish market initially. I’m fine with that. However, there are many questions left unanswered. Answers I need rather sooner than later in order to construct a perspective with SAAB for me, personally. And in this regard, I cannot but give hughw a big fat +1 for his comment above.

          As much as I would love to visit the factory, I would not consider the free tour a convincing argument for a purchase. I live in Germany, and even if SAAB returns to Europe’s most important car market with the facelifted 9-3 eventually in 2014, I would like to 1) test-drive the car I buy and 2) pick it up at my local dealer. This whole online sale model must feel like a slap in the face of all loyal dealers that have waited to hear something from NEVS. Also, the price is much higher than I expected. No good signal, as well.

          All in all, and having slept one night over yesterday’s happenings, there actually isn’t much left to cheer for, except for the bare fact that SAAB is back. Which of course is a very, very good thing! So, don’t get me wrong, especially you brave SU crew members whose work for this community is so much appreciated. But this dissatisfactory feeling inside regarding the current situation still remains, at least on my side, being an enthusiast as much as just a regular customer who’s longing for an emotional, techie, environment-friendly an achievable vehicle to drive with every day.

          I guess I’ll see myself at the crossroads at the very moment the facelift will be presented. Either the car will fascinate me and meet my requirements, or not. From what I know today, I can’t tell anything, really. And that’s the point. Next spring isn’t so far away any more. I don’t understand why they couldn’t just give us some more details about their plans as they should have an elaborate plan for at least half a year up front in order to survive in this tough industry.

          This is not to complain about NEVS’ way of doing this. It’s their business, not ours. This is to encourage them to give us a little more insight and an advice not to let this unique-in-the-world fan base dry out slowly.

        • For myself I Think I got a lott of info yesterday of whats going to hapend in the near future.
          Now they produce maximum 1000-2000 cars whit this Engine, starting at 10 cars/ week
          This is a extremly smal produktion, mainly fokus on the entusiast. The old dealer will make Money on servis and repairs.
          In the 1 or 2 quarter ther will be a facelift and introduktion of the SC and the EV that is there main produkt
          Later on the convertibel vill be relaunch. and a new Engine
          Noting more and noting less.

  4. CONGRATULATIONS SAAB !
    Wonderful news and as they say “We have to start somewhere”.
    Merry Christmas is much easier to say this year than it was in 2011

    ps.
    Mattias, If you ever get the idea of make “9-5 Aero SC” again in the future please let me know :D
    d.s

  5. This is definitely an exciting day for Saab. I’m encouraged, but I have to wonder about a few things. First, unless I’m missing something, the price seems steep, especially for a car this old. Over $40K in US dollars wouldn’t get me to take the plunge. Ideally, I see this as a $30-40K car (tops) depending on the trim-level. Maybe even upper $20′s if they really wanted to drive volume. Also, I hope they overhaul the interior when they release the face-lifted 9-3 in the spring. That’s arguably the most dated thing about the car, especially the radio. Otherwise, great job! You’ve gotta’ start somewhere, and picking up exactly where you left off makes as much sense as any other approach.

    • E, if you want to know how steep the price is you should compare it to comparable car prizes in Sweden.

      I’ve made a little research, and it will be less expensive than most comparable cars, with a similar engine.

      • It’s right around the base Mercedes Benz CLA, base Mercedes C-Class, base BMW 3-Series, a little more than a Volvo S60.

        My only concern is that the network built around these other vehicles would be slightly more appealing than the Saab simply because they have the traditional dealerships set up around them. The way Nevs wants to do this sounds like it’s built strictly for the hardcore Swedish Saab enthusiasts looking to own one of the first Nev Saabs. Not for the conventional consumer, which is likely how they intended it to be.

  6. Good news for Trollhattan! People can hope to have their jobs back!
    But to be realistic they can only hope to sell that car in China because it is an 11 years old design by now,
    the price is too steep for what you are getting, interior is very dated versus any other car, except maybe some local Chineese knock-offs.

  7. It was reported elsewhere in Swedish media today that due to the fact that the 9-3 doesn’t meet current EU safety regulations, it is considered a low volume model. Therefore Nevs are licensed to sell max one thousand cars annually in the EU.

    This information is relevant for people outside of Sweden to understand, especially if you are wondering the reasoning behind Nevs’ internet based sales model or whether the model will ever be sold outside of Sweden. Hopefully the facelifted model will adhere to all necessary regulations and Nevs will be able to start building a retailer network, which I am sure they need to have in order to survive in Europe.

  8. Isn’t it easy to convert it to a brand new BioPower Saab for anyone who wants one? (By buying an upgrade for example from Maptun.)

  9. That rear license plate holder looks like a U.S. style holder.
    Well, one can dream can’t he. :-)
    Congrats Nevs on this small but significant step. It seems to have garnered a lot of positive publicity.

  10. With major manufacturers on the crest of introducing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, EVs are becoming even less relevant. An EV from NEVS, based on a design that’s over a decade old, won’t get noticed unless it’s dirt cheap or exceptionally better than the offerings from anyone else. Are we expecting either of those attributes? I guess they’re planning on moving quantity in China with some sweetheart deals from local politicians? I don’t think that’s a long range business plan for prosperity over time. I still believe the best course of action for Saab is lower priced gas/diesel engined cars, not pie in the sky battery technology that just isn’t going to cut it for most drivers. I’m happy for NEVS that they built a car today. That’s as good of news as we’ve had in weeks—-at least since the last “first car” was built by them and covered here on SU late Summer/early Fall. I liked the video from that one, with the polite applause and the sound of the engine starting. That was a great first car effort, transcended only by this latest first car they’ve produced. I like the black color better. I’m looking forward to their next first car though.

    • I couldn’t disagree with you more. Aren’t you tires of going to the gas station every week or two and dropping $50-70 on fuel? Charging stations are popping up everywhere. Do you know how much money it;s going to cost to bring Hydrogen fuel stations to market? Try $6million per station. This is 20 to 30 years away and only a small group in Southern California has hydrogen at the present time. What about fires, accidents etc. I would be worried about safely in a car that ran on that.

      Saab is right to go about electric vehicles and I think if they can get 200 miles out of a single charge they would be good to go for sales here. I don’t know about you but I am tires of spending my hard earned cash on fuel just so that some people in the oil business get paid, Perhaps you work in the oil industry..

      • No, I wish I did work in the oil industry. I’d be wealthier than I am. But if it will take 20-30 years to perfect hydrogen and develop and infrastructure, that is perfect. Because we have more than enough oil to cover the world for at least that long—-and likely much longer. 200 miles on a charge won’t take the family on vacation I’m afraid. And I find it hilarious that Musk and others (who are clearly alarmed by the faster than expected development of fuel cells) are now panicked—and talking about how hydrogen cars can catch fire. Of all the irony—-the best accessory to have in your Tesla is a fire extinguisher, and he’s worried about fuel cells catching fire? LMAO.

    • I’m not totallty read up on the subject but this article for example does not sound like hydrogen fuel cells to me but I could be misstaken.

      http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teknikensvarld.se%2F2013%2F12%2F01%2F44620%2Fbmw-flaggar-for-elmotor-i-alla-framtida-bilar%2F

  11. is that turbo x steering? love it.
    trough what dealer network will nevs sell these 9-3s? do they even have a plan to rebuild the dealer network?
    i wonder. gotta love a black aero…

  12. Will Saab ever come back to the US? Im worried now

    • Is this a serious question?

      Is Saab ever coming back to the US? Probably not, at least not in the next 20 years at a minimum the way things are going… I mean, they have no dealerships, no marketing, no reputation, no, well, anything. Think of the massive reinvestment it would take to even get a tinsy-winsy-toe hold on this market. NEVS has already indicated they could care less than less about our existing owner base.

      No, make no mistake, for the US, Saab is dead and the quicker everyone accepts that the better off we’ll all be. All that’s left here are a smattering of car clubs (and no more in New England, can you imagine!) and an amazing online community of resourceful owners who can help us all keep our Saabs forever.

      Nope, the Saab-N folk seem to be depending upon the age old model of growth for Asian automakers:

      1) Insulate yourself from risk
      - Have a protected home market
      - Have political / corporate “family” backing to absorb losses during the “figuring out how to make cars” years

      2) Have a guaranteed market dynamic
      - Aforementioned political deal to buy cars, no matter their competitiveness or value, to use as whatevers… Taxis, limos, gopher-mobiles, transporting generals, whatever…
      - Dump product elsewhere, probably at a loss at first, to build market share and develop overseas infrastructure

      3) Use that time to fund accelerated development to learn to create uber-competitive products to use against other nations home companies…

      Assuming Saab and the entire EV movement survives, and then once the above process plays itself out in China first and then Europe, then, MAYBE then, we’ll see Saab come back…

      • Non-sense!! Saab will be back in the U.S. in 2015!!

      • liari: I’ve been as critical toward NEVS as anyone. But look at what you wrote—-some of it SUPPORTS, not defeats the idea of Saab coming back to the U.S. I’m sure China would love to ratchet things up a bit. They have taken complete control over what American consumers buy at the product low end (cheap toys/games, home furnishings/small appliances, etc.) and even at the higher end—appliances for example. Cars and trucks? You bet they want a piece of that action. Right now, they are the largest automobile market because for the first time in history, their large population is able to buy. One way they can make that prosperity last is to move into cars and trucks as exports. And we in the U.S. buy a hell of a lot of cars and trucks—we spend a lot on them and historically, we’ve traded them in more often than other consumers around the world. We’ve had a terrible economy since 2008, so the product cycle is longer now. But if we get some swagger back with leadership in our Capital who actually WANTS us to flourish again—-we’ll have billions of dollars to spend on cars. And China will want to be in on that action. So only fools there would ignore our market. My concern is that, well….perhaps Saab is owned by fools? If they don’t fill part of the void, others in China will.

  13. Hi.
    Hello!? We are saab-fans. why complain? This is better than one year ago! And the complain that this is a car over 10 years old – so what! It sure doesn’t look like that! I rather buy this than a KIA or Volvo. It looks so great!

    • I agree. Why complain now?

    • There will always be “Nay” sayers that aren’t satisfied unfortunately.

      A while back ago “everyone” was wining about no production and no information about when the production will be back.
      Now when those pieces of information is available it’s other things that’s wrong.
      “Wrong type of cars, wrong market, wrong this and that”

      I’m actually a bit worried when all the bright minds that knows how the automotive industry is run spend their time in here complaining about a situation that they themselves could change and execute better. The whole industry must be heading towards a certain death..

  14. I think that this is a good start!

    And they are doing some good considerations when they inform that:
    -”Frank pointed out that they have involved Orio when designing replacements, so Frank says a number of these components will fit older 9-3s and this should help ensure that parts for the 9-3 will be readily available in the future.”

  15. From little things, big things grow…

  16. Are those headrests Active?

    • unsure, look the same as the headrests in the MKVI Golf GTI…

    • Looking at the NCAP test, I wouldn’t worry if the headrests are active or not. The best ones, as of now, are passive ones.

      • Are you kidding? Saab were pioneers in this field. If it is something you can actually get stuck with in normal traffic it is someone running into the back of your car. Whiplash damages are very common and I am very happy that I have a car with active headrests. Safety has always been key for Saab. I am not sure I would buy another Saab without knowing it’s safe like it always has been.

  17. I sometimes wonder how many of the nay sayers would actually put their money where their mouths are and buy a SAAB if it were available.

    • For many people, a car is their second largest expense, next to their home. For those who rent the place where they live, their car is often their largest expense—the most money they will ever spend on any one thing. “Putting our money where our mouth is” often begins with confidence. We want confidence that the product we buy will reward us with many years of functionality and enjoyment. We want confidence that the warranty that is part of our purchase will be there for us if things go wrong. We want confidence that the company we buy from will manage their business and promote their products in such a way that our purchase will hold a healthy percentage of its value should it be stolen or wrecked—-or when we go to trade it for another car. In short, it’s important that the people managing the company we buy a car from act in a way that instills confidence in buyers. Right now, at this point in time—-NEVS has not accomplished that for many. It’s a pity, because they own the company that produced cars with a solid reputation among many folks—a good heritage—-and they don’t appear to know how to capitalize on that. It’s been said that if you can’t manage the easy stuff, you have no prayer of managing the difficult. If that is the case, NEVS is in for a rough ride and so are the fans of Saab. I hope they right the ship. Maybe they just need to learn the basics and things will go well later.

      • Buy another car then :) We live in a free country.

        • What country do you live in Anton? I live in the U.S. We aren’t free here. We have the IRS, the EPA and Health and Human Services. That’s just for starters. We have more pages of legislation than there are grains of sand on your nearest beach. Naysayers might not buy a Saab. Time for NEVS to eliminate the naysayers by giving us a morsel of something to look forward to.

    • Angelo ,my comment was not directed specifically at you ,its just that in my experience those with most to say are often short on action and on the subject of NEVs ,I think they know exactly what they are doing it just might not align with the ideas of others and what they want.

  18. Irrespective of where these SAABs ar heading too, my thoughts and best wishes go to the employees who must have had a hell of a couple of years.
    We have a saying here in the UK ‘Mighty Oaks from small acorns grow’. Maybe these few SAAB ‘acorns’ destined for the far east, will do likewise.

  19. But Daddy I want a golden goose and I want it now!

    The comments are irritating and funny at the same time. So many Saab fans are incredibly whiney if they don’t get exactly what they want, at the time they want, at the price they want to pay. Saab enthusiasts are notoriously cheap, and vocal. Let the company get to work. They have the factory running on a small scale to get the bugs worked out and secure staffing before it disappears. They are working around many obstacles. I hope they succeed, and I think this is a good first step to keep things going while they update the product in preparation for full scale production. Cut NEVS some slack, I would be willing to bet that the initial production is mostly pre-sold in china. This step buys some time while they prepare. If they do nothing they are waiting too long, if they do something it is not enough, the comments here are childish and unnecessarily angry.

      • I’ll say it again….NEVS is a global company with a global vision. Maybe they’re just smarter that the rest of us but their marketing plan is to include NA. If they make it to NA they will first make it to Europe.

        Like Jason said. let them get to work. To hades with speculation! Personally. this past two days should be met with applause…and a sigh of relief.

    • I’d hardly consider anything anyone has said here as childish or overly angry. Criticism is just something to be expected with anything. People have opinions and they like to voice them. Much like generalizing a large group of people, lets say Saab enthusiasts, as cheap and vocal, some would say ‘that’ is childish, but you have the right to say it. Especially considering this is a place where people are intended to talk about Saab.

      I’m pretty sure everyone here wants the same thing, a successful Nevs Saab. But you can’t be overly joyful about every single aspect of their plans all the time. Sometimes you have to evaluate things from a logical stand point. Be it supporting them or not necessarily agreeing with their tactics.

    • I believe most of our discussion/debate has been constructive and engaging. I don’t believe it’s been childish. Now I admit—when I called the Chinese embassy, became furious and threw a tantrum when they wouldn’t give me Rachel Pang’s phone number or arrange for her to travel to the U.S. to meet me—-THAT was childish. But our discussion here, not at all.

    • +1. Well said Jason.

    • So, the visitors of this site can only be graduated in two groups: the naysaysers and the blind supporters? Gimme a break…
      What would this site be if everybody would just cheer and celebrate and glorify everything we hear and read? A board of commercials. That’s what I’d call childish. I doubt that this community would be as big as it is.
      This is a website about a certain car brand. Behind the cars is a manufacturing company, and that company cannot reach its goals (which is making profit) without the customers that buy their product. With turnover always comes responsibility, and this alone justifies criticism from those who are affected. So we come here to have our voices heard.
      I agree with Angelo that most of our discussions here have been very constructive. Actually, the tone and level of communication here is A LOT more sophisticated than on any other forum on the web I have ever experienced. As a side effect, there is a lot of fun involved, at least on my side, coming here frequently, reading the news, and debating over all the different positions. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

      • It’s really interesting Christian. The funniest part of this is that while I agree with almost everything you wrote—-I almost do go along with the “two camps” theory that you reject. I view the two camps as one group that is critical of NEVS because we feel they are squandering an opportunity (just maybe the last chance) for a car company we have loved to be successful. The other camp is one that thinks any criticism at all about NEVS impedes on their chances to make Saab successful. So you have the complainers like me, railing about how NEVS is doing this or that wrong, how things would be better if they would adjust to what I am suggesting, etc.—-and you have protectors who will get upset at me (or anyone else who doesn’t believe NEVS is getting it right) and they strike their own angry or sarcastic tone because in their eyes, NEVS can do no wrong—-there is an excuse for everything NEVS does or doesn’t do that supports NEVS 100%. And to take it one step further—-even if these people considered things carefully and concluded that NEVS really was making a mistake of some sort—they would not want to point it out or have anyone else point it out—-because they think that would somehow hurt NEVS chances of making Saab a great company. It’s somewhat of a “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.” again, to protect NEVS. But I do think if it’s done with respect and consideration for other peoples opinions—-there’s no reason why we can’t have the dialogue and present our opinions/beliefs.

  20. Basing conjecture without all the facts can be construed as childish…I have zero problem with debate. One needs facts to debate.

    • Basing conjecture with the only given facts is a perfectly normal and human thing to do. Without solid facts the debate goes into the realm of possibility, combining the two gives way to an array of potential outcomes, which will likely present itself as the end result of this lovely scenario.

      Nothing childish about it. It’s what we humans do and it’s how we prepare ourselves for multiple possibilities. Good or bad outcomes included.

      In the case of Nevs Saab, I’m sure that they will be successful, if they play their cards right. We just have to wait and see what happens while we contemplate the possibilities.

      • That only happens in certain circles I’m not privy to nor do I want to be. Ever been in an office full of women? All I hear is the clucking of hens…haha

        I guess what I should have said to make it clear is… We spend our time here bantering about what if this or what if that, when at the end of the day the logical reasoning for NEVS’ silence may show us how it was lost to our understanding and all the banter will have been such a waste of time and effort.

    • I agree Mark. My assertion has always been that we’re too short on facts. One party can change that: NEVS.

      • It’s easy to sit back and let the shit hit the fan and then say “I told you so” The fact is the shit hasn’t hit the fan…yet. I’m just as annoyed that NEVS is as tight-lipped as they have been. But I don’t have the bankroll to fund the resurrection, they do. Obviously their logic is to proceed carefully and systematically….that may be a costly and terminal mistake.. For now I’m glad as hell there is something positive to talk about.

        I know that Victor was all about boasting and rushing to the drawing board to get new models out there…but where did it get him? At least we were happy to see something happening. Chinese investors are obviously different….methodical and cautious…and maybe too cautious.

        I talked to my local dealer and they said “someone” told them to expect announcements in the near future. Vague.

        • Well, maybe it’s cultural. I think Americans are accustomed to high volume—-carnival barkers—-snake oil salesman. We like big and bold—-brash and confident. Maybe NEVS operates in a different culture and has a different way of getting from point A to point B—-and it’s to be quiet and workmanlike. Maybe they want to put in the work and let the product speak for itself. And I’m not informed enough about consumerism in China to know if that approach is appropriate there or not. But I know that in the U.S. and in at least some parts of Europe, the expectation is for more pomp and circumstance—-more of a buzz around a brand to build desire for it. I guess it boils down to NEVS plans. If those plans include full scale European and some North American sales, the are going to have to change to be successful. I think it’s obvious to anyone with experience in the matter to see that they’ll fall flat if they go into worldwide sales with this tight lipped attitude/practice. They will fail and I can’t imagine that’s even up for debate. If the idea is to have some token sales in Europe in a couple places—-and a permanent focus on China—-they might know better than I do how to proceed and maybe that’s what they’re doing.

  21. Does anyone know what the warranty is on the new cars? Also, the new 93 is probably not as expensive as it looks to us North Americans, as there is probably a lot of swedish tax built into the price that would be omitted upon export!

    • 25% of the price is VAT

      • 25% !!!! that puts it into perspective.

        I know when my local dealer finally received his first, and last, 9-5SC V6 XWD car that he invited me to go test drive it and have a look but when I asked him how much the MSRP was on it…he told me $73,000 CDN I burst out laughing and wished him luck finding a buyer for a SAAB for that much money. Don’t get me wrong, the car was fantastic! If it were priced at say between 40K and 50K maybe.

    • 3/36? 3 months, 3600 miles? And the NEVS certified used program will offer 3/36, 3 weeks, 360 miles. In all honestly, I would assume a standard issue luxury car warranty—-maybe a 4 year, 50,000 mile bumper to bumper? How can we even be talking about ordering cars when there are questions about how long the warranty is? How are we in this place?

      • Standard warranty in Sweden for Saab was 2 years… As I’ve stated before, there are reasons why manufactures make so little money in the US ;)

  22. For the first time since the summer, I actually read all tje comments.
    I’m baffelld that approx. 25% of the comment is basicallt the same as they was 6,7,8….well even 12 month ago. And still regardless of the subject at hand, the comments is the same

    Why do I even bother? Well, I did believe that an event ofthis sort at least whould have made the comment more conserning the articles or the production….

    But no, the same commenter(s) repeate the same thing regardless of the subject, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and….

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