Nevs #002; (future) model choices

After the photo session, Rikard and I had a brief chat with Frank Smit, Vehicle Program Manager to clarify a few things.

Nevs are currently targetting China. There is currently only one model on the line, and that is the 9-3 Aero 220 bhp sedan. There are no Biopower or XWD options. XWD adds weight and drives up fuel consumption and adds no clear benefit in warmer climates. Plus there is no ethanol framework in place in China. So two of our favorite Saab technologies have currently been shelved, but may resurface at a later date. Finally, there is no demand for diesel in China, so I guess we won’t be seeing the 1.9 TTiD again any time soon either. “We have to start somewhere”.

The upcoming facelift is designed in-house in Trollhättan. No names were named, but Frank emphasized that they are doing this locally.

This new and slightly improved Griffin comes with a greater number of non-GM parts. Frank pointed out that they have involved Orio when designing replacements, so Frank says a number of these components will fit older 9-3s and this should help ensure that parts for the 9-3 will be readily available in the future.

Oh, that convertible mentioned in one of the slides? There will be an EV version of that too. The EV versions no longer removes a third of the backseat and they will have similar weight distribution as their petrol cousins. “Around 50-50, with a little more weight added to the front probably. These are, after all, FWD.”

A few pictures after the jump.

Troels, Denmark
Member
2 years 9 months ago

“..that convertible mentioned in one of the slides? There will be an EV version of that too. The EV versions no longer removes a third of the backseat and they will have similar weight distribution as their petrol cousins. “Around 50-50, with a little more weight added to the front probably. These are, after all, FWD.” ”
Very nice news!!!! 🙂 🙂

JoPlSe
Member
2 years 9 months ago
The car look great! It´s a shame about the loss of BioPower, but let´s hope for the future. My driving pattern would cope with EV, but I will wait until the Phoenix version at the earliest. Until then, I will keep my E85 9-5 and drive eco friendly. The only thing I don’t like from today is that Annie Lööv was given the honor of cutting the ribbon. The absolutely worst Minister of Enterprise we ever had in Sweden was the predecessor Maud Olofsson. Maud Olofsson was responsible for a great part of ruining the possibilities for Saab by not… Read more »
Ivar M
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Good point. The only thing Annie Lööf can do to prove the opposite is to place an order for government cars and make it official news.
The “Center Party” need to to be closed down permanently.

2T
Member
2 years 9 months ago
So I was wrong and Tim was right. Or was I ? Indeed, not all cars are heading for China. A handfull will be available in Sweden via the internet. Oh, and they’ll throw in a free visit of the plant when you come over to pick-up your car. NEVS’ management may even take a few moments to talk to you (right….). Jeez, I wonder why no other, experienced car manufacturer has tought about this great new way of selling cars before ? So, if I live in Stockholm and wanted to buy a new Saab, exaclty how long a… Read more »
rune
Member
2 years 9 months ago
“exaclty how long a drive would I have to take on to go and get my new car” — googlemaps will answer that. But in your case, the drive isn’t that extreme. Heck, a few of those present today drove that distance and more. I’m sure other delivery options can be worked out. Either way, my impression is that in this round, most cars will go to China. There are quite a few enthusiasts around who would love an extra trip to the factory. We have even had discussions on SU about this in the past. There used to be… Read more »
hughw
Member
2 years 9 months ago
“Yes, they could improve their communication, but… If they know they can’t make big moves within the next year or so, what is there actually to communicate? Why commit to something now, that might change radically six months down the road?” Rune, I think you’re drinking the same company Kool-Aid that has apparently numbed Tim to anything but a defense of NEVS and they’re apparent strategy of doing nothing to cultivate a rabid and loyal fan base that any other manufacturer would be falling all over themselves to keep that base happy. But all we hear is that the can’t… Read more »
Joe
Guest
2 years 9 months ago

Agreed, hughw.
This is a deceptively small step.
Objective data is also deceptively hard to come by….

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I have nothing to add Hugh. You pretty much summed it up.

Busy
Member
2 years 9 months ago

+

Patrik H
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Exceptionally well said, especially the part about such a loyal customer base. We want to be excited, but why can’t some of the excitement be returned?

SaabLife
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Yeah, Hugh you pretty much hit the nail on the head with that. I’m all for the Nevs is trying to do in theory, but some constructive criticism wouldn’t hurt.

Nevs has an exceptional opportunity with the huge following that Saab has and it doesn’t really look like they’ve tried tapping into it, especially with in insistent talk about how China is the priority. That’s great that they have a clear goal, but maybe give the other half of the planet some better outreach? Considering that some of us have been with Saab for decades.

rune
Member
2 years 9 months ago
It might be a Nordic thing. Back in 2011, a Dutch man (who I still sympathize greatly with) with his back to the wall was trying to attract investors by parting as much information about the future as he possibly could. Possible new models, plans and schedules were put on the table, but as things failed to materialize (as Murphy’s Law sometimes dictates) the backlash, especially here in Sweden, was pretty harsh. A newspaper editor said he had been driving Saabs for decades, but his next car would be a BMW because he was not happy with “the broken promises”… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
So Rune, if I read that correctly—-you’re saying that the only time a company should communicate anything is after it’s completed, when there is absolutely no chance of anything delaying it? In other words, do not share your vision with potential customers—-do not talk in generalities about the future, about possible new products and new markets—plans? Only make public statements after things are 100% secure? That being the case, there needs to be an end to concept vehicles at car shows. And much of the content of our car magazines needs to go away too. For better or for worse,… Read more »
rune
Member
2 years 9 months ago
There are quite a few companies who have been very successful by keeping things secret. Apple is one example. They kept cards very tight to their chest, especially back when they were not doing so well (i.e. just prior to launching the iPod). As for a ‘sneak preview’ — well, that is exactly what you received. You now know what to expect from Trollhättan for MY15 and you already have a pretty good idea of what will follow next (hybrid). Nevs are keeping the factory going until they can complete the new platform. I’m not sure what more you expect… Read more »
hughw
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Hybrid? Really? That would be good, but I don’t remember seeing any reference to that except in your post.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
Hugh: If something is repeated often enough, it becomes the quasi-truth. I’ve fallen into the same trap of assuming a Saab hybrid is on the horizon. I don’t know why—-other than the fact that we’ve gone from speculation to certainty with all of the posts, “Saab = Hybrid.” I think part of it might be rooted in the fact that we’re stupefied that NEVS would consider putting 95% of their eggs in the EV basket—-we’re so certain they will fall flat on their faces and become an automotive laughingstock—biggest since the Edsel—-that we’ve invented this notion that they’re actually going… Read more »
rune
Member
2 years 9 months ago

No, I don’t have the inside scoop, but I could have sworn they mentioned a future hybrid when they were talking at the Saab-festival last May. It doesn’t mean they’ll ditch an alternative. Kjell ac Bergström (back then) stressed that they wanted to let the customer choose (disclaimer: the sound in that room was absolutely horrid, so what I heard and what they really said could be two different things).

Iiari
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Pretty much a perfect reply. The increasing lack of relevance of the site to the (dwindling) Saab enthusiast base here in the real world is crushingly sad…

xlx
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Your’re 100% right with their lack of communication, but: “And if they don’t make the effort to enlist Saab loyalists in their plans and marketing, then they’re twice fools.” … Their focus are EV’s in China. Is this what the remaining Saab loyalists want ? No. They want combustion/hybrid engines and maybe EV’s in Europe and U.S.. So why should NEVS include Saab fan base in their plans ?

hans h
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Of course Nevs wants Saabs fan base. Or else they wouldn’t have bought a company with a built-in fan base/customer group. But they also wants to survive as a company, and therefore have to sell cars to other customers also. They have to. We have to get more Saab fans. 🙂
So let’s wait until we see what the electric cars will be, before slagging off Nevs, please. These cars are not “the main event”.

xlx
Member
2 years 9 months ago

If your words would be the words from NEVS to the fan base, that would be a clean message. But they aren’t.

If the new 9-3 doesn’t sell, it can happen, that this was the main event. Hopely the reality will look much better.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
Also, Hans, many of the Saab fan base would prefer, for the time being, ICE cars with turbocharged engines. For my part, I’d love a diesel—-or even an economical engine without a turbo, to propel a small hatchback. My point is that if their primary focus is EVs, they’re already not connecting with a huge percentage of current Saab enthusiasts. I understand their desire to build electric vehicles as a big part of their product portfolio—-but if they really expect to reach the Saab base, they need to also offer modern vehicles with internal combustion powerplants. In the absence of… Read more »
maanders
Member
2 years 9 months ago
I think everything about transportation right now is up for grabs. I was at an IT conference here in the U.S. a few weeks ago where someone said that Ford (yes, Ford) is preparing for the fact that within 10, years they will be moving from the car business into the entertainment or “infotainment” business. This is based on surveys showing many of today’s younger adults do not plan to buy a car (or a house for that matter). It does not matter if the car is ICE, hybrid or electric…they just do not want one and the cost involved.… Read more »
Baver
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Yesterday, Radio Sweden had an article on self driving Volvos coming soon to a road near you.

christian
Member
2 years 9 months ago
OK, yes, they have to start somewhere. I do consider yesterday’s event as a big step towards SAAB’s/NEVS’ future that is hopefully bright and in line with their mission, which has my full sympathy and support. I followed parts of Mr. Bergman’s presentation yesterday live on TV4 and must say that I felt the SAAB spirit, strongly. It felt really good, that’s why I still love my SAAB so much, even though it’s mother company went through hell and back during the last few years. Therefore, I wish NEVS all the best and good luck for their future endeavours! So,… Read more »
mattea
Member
2 years 9 months ago

For myself I Think I got a lott of info yesterday of whats going to hapend in the near future.
Now they produce maximum 1000-2000 cars whit this Engine, starting at 10 cars/ week
This is a extremly smal produktion, mainly fokus on the entusiast. The old dealer will make Money on servis and repairs.
In the 1 or 2 quarter ther will be a facelift and introduktion of the SC and the EV that is there main produkt
Later on the convertibel vill be relaunch. and a new Engine
Noting more and noting less.

leriksso
Member
2 years 9 months ago
CONGRATULATIONS SAAB ! Wonderful news and as they say “We have to start somewhere”. Merry Christmas is much easier to say this year than it was in 2011 ps. Mattias, If you ever get the idea of make “9-5 Aero SC” again in the future please let me know 😀 d.s
E in DC
Member
2 years 9 months ago
This is definitely an exciting day for Saab. I’m encouraged, but I have to wonder about a few things. First, unless I’m missing something, the price seems steep, especially for a car this old. Over $40K in US dollars wouldn’t get me to take the plunge. Ideally, I see this as a $30-40K car (tops) depending on the trim-level. Maybe even upper $20’s if they really wanted to drive volume. Also, I hope they overhaul the interior when they release the face-lifted 9-3 in the spring. That’s arguably the most dated thing about the car, especially the radio. Otherwise, great… Read more »
Red J
Member
2 years 9 months ago

E, if you want to know how steep the price is you should compare it to comparable car prizes in Sweden.

I’ve made a little research, and it will be less expensive than most comparable cars, with a similar engine.

SaabLife
Member
2 years 9 months ago

It’s right around the base Mercedes Benz CLA, base Mercedes C-Class, base BMW 3-Series, a little more than a Volvo S60.

My only concern is that the network built around these other vehicles would be slightly more appealing than the Saab simply because they have the traditional dealerships set up around them. The way Nevs wants to do this sounds like it’s built strictly for the hardcore Swedish Saab enthusiasts looking to own one of the first Nev Saabs. Not for the conventional consumer, which is likely how they intended it to be.

Nikola
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Good news for Trollhattan! People can hope to have their jobs back!
But to be realistic they can only hope to sell that car in China because it is an 11 years old design by now,
the price is too steep for what you are getting, interior is very dated versus any other car, except maybe some local Chineese knock-offs.

Dagen Runt
Member
2 years 9 months ago
It was reported elsewhere in Swedish media today that due to the fact that the 9-3 doesn’t meet current EU safety regulations, it is considered a low volume model. Therefore Nevs are licensed to sell max one thousand cars annually in the EU. This information is relevant for people outside of Sweden to understand, especially if you are wondering the reasoning behind Nevs’ internet based sales model or whether the model will ever be sold outside of Sweden. Hopefully the facelifted model will adhere to all necessary regulations and Nevs will be able to start building a retailer network, which… Read more »
Niklas G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Isn’t it easy to convert it to a brand new BioPower Saab for anyone who wants one? (By buying an upgrade for example from Maptun.)

Dan P
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I imagine there would be a bit of work to do at Maptun before these cars are ready to be tuned, but depends on how close it is to the 9-5 II engine and whether the ECU etc is the same.

Saabseller
Member
2 years 9 months ago

No, there’s a lot more needed than just mapping.

KJ

Niklas G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I meant this one:
http://www.maptun.com/e85.php?&sess_id=qkac6bb13ko0nelm6qepskoh63

…or similar, because the number of horsepowers in that table does not match what Rune writes above

saabyurk
Member
2 years 9 months ago

That rear license plate holder looks like a U.S. style holder.
Well, one can dream can’t he. 🙂
Congrats Nevs on this small but significant step. It seems to have garnered a lot of positive publicity.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
With major manufacturers on the crest of introducing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, EVs are becoming even less relevant. An EV from NEVS, based on a design that’s over a decade old, won’t get noticed unless it’s dirt cheap or exceptionally better than the offerings from anyone else. Are we expecting either of those attributes? I guess they’re planning on moving quantity in China with some sweetheart deals from local politicians? I don’t think that’s a long range business plan for prosperity over time. I still believe the best course of action for Saab is lower priced gas/diesel engined cars, not… Read more »
saabboy1
Member
2 years 9 months ago
I couldn’t disagree with you more. Aren’t you tires of going to the gas station every week or two and dropping $50-70 on fuel? Charging stations are popping up everywhere. Do you know how much money it;s going to cost to bring Hydrogen fuel stations to market? Try $6million per station. This is 20 to 30 years away and only a small group in Southern California has hydrogen at the present time. What about fires, accidents etc. I would be worried about safely in a car that ran on that. Saab is right to go about electric vehicles and I… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
No, I wish I did work in the oil industry. I’d be wealthier than I am. But if it will take 20-30 years to perfect hydrogen and develop and infrastructure, that is perfect. Because we have more than enough oil to cover the world for at least that long—-and likely much longer. 200 miles on a charge won’t take the family on vacation I’m afraid. And I find it hilarious that Musk and others (who are clearly alarmed by the faster than expected development of fuel cells) are now panicked—and talking about how hydrogen cars can catch fire. Of all… Read more »
Jan Ivarsson
Guest
2 years 9 months ago

I’m not totallty read up on the subject but this article for example does not sound like hydrogen fuel cells to me but I could be misstaken.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teknikensvarld.se%2F2013%2F12%2F01%2F44620%2Fbmw-flaggar-for-elmotor-i-alla-framtida-bilar%2F

Karl
Member
2 years 9 months ago

is that turbo x steering? love it.
trough what dealer network will nevs sell these 9-3s? do they even have a plan to rebuild the dealer network?
i wonder. gotta love a black aero…

SaabKen
Member
2 years 9 months ago

What happened to the thumb gear shifters on the wheel ?

Bradley Tallent
Guest
2 years 9 months ago

Will Saab ever come back to the US? Im worried now

Iiari
Member
2 years 9 months ago
Is this a serious question? Is Saab ever coming back to the US? Probably not, at least not in the next 20 years at a minimum the way things are going… I mean, they have no dealerships, no marketing, no reputation, no, well, anything. Think of the massive reinvestment it would take to even get a tinsy-winsy-toe hold on this market. NEVS has already indicated they could care less than less about our existing owner base. No, make no mistake, for the US, Saab is dead and the quicker everyone accepts that the better off we’ll all be. All that’s… Read more »
saabboy1
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Non-sense!! Saab will be back in the U.S. in 2015!!

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
liari: I’ve been as critical toward NEVS as anyone. But look at what you wrote—-some of it SUPPORTS, not defeats the idea of Saab coming back to the U.S. I’m sure China would love to ratchet things up a bit. They have taken complete control over what American consumers buy at the product low end (cheap toys/games, home furnishings/small appliances, etc.) and even at the higher end—appliances for example. Cars and trucks? You bet they want a piece of that action. Right now, they are the largest automobile market because for the first time in history, their large population is… Read more »
Lustgasen
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Hi.
Hello!? We are saab-fans. why complain? This is better than one year ago! And the complain that this is a car over 10 years old – so what! It sure doesn’t look like that! I rather buy this than a KIA or Volvo. It looks so great!

hans h
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I agree. Why complain now?

Jan Ivarsson
Guest
2 years 9 months ago

There will always be “Nay” sayers that aren’t satisfied unfortunately.

A while back ago “everyone” was wining about no production and no information about when the production will be back.
Now when those pieces of information is available it’s other things that’s wrong.
“Wrong type of cars, wrong market, wrong this and that”

I’m actually a bit worried when all the bright minds that knows how the automotive industry is run spend their time in here complaining about a situation that they themselves could change and execute better. The whole industry must be heading towards a certain death..

aslak
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I think that this is a good start!

And they are doing some good considerations when they inform that:
-“Frank pointed out that they have involved Orio when designing replacements, so Frank says a number of these components will fit older 9-3s and this should help ensure that parts for the 9-3 will be readily available in the future.”

JoPlSe
Member
2 years 9 months ago

+1

aus715
Member
2 years 9 months ago

From little things, big things grow…

JoPlSe
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Are those headrests Active?

baas900i
Member
2 years 9 months ago

unsure, look the same as the headrests in the MKVI Golf GTI…

Red J
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Looking at the NCAP test, I wouldn’t worry if the headrests are active or not. The best ones, as of now, are passive ones.

JoPlSe
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Are you kidding? Saab were pioneers in this field. If it is something you can actually get stuck with in normal traffic it is someone running into the back of your car. Whiplash damages are very common and I am very happy that I have a car with active headrests. Safety has always been key for Saab. I am not sure I would buy another Saab without knowing it’s safe like it always has been.

Red J
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Take a look at the EuroNCAP whiplash ratings.

The first on the list has an active headrest, but where is the next active headrest in that list?

andyb
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I sometimes wonder how many of the nay sayers would actually put their money where their mouths are and buy a SAAB if it were available.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
For many people, a car is their second largest expense, next to their home. For those who rent the place where they live, their car is often their largest expense—the most money they will ever spend on any one thing. “Putting our money where our mouth is” often begins with confidence. We want confidence that the product we buy will reward us with many years of functionality and enjoyment. We want confidence that the warranty that is part of our purchase will be there for us if things go wrong. We want confidence that the company we buy from will… Read more »
Lustgasen
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Buy another car then 🙂 We live in a free country.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago

What country do you live in Anton? I live in the U.S. We aren’t free here. We have the IRS, the EPA and Health and Human Services. That’s just for starters. We have more pages of legislation than there are grains of sand on your nearest beach. Naysayers might not buy a Saab. Time for NEVS to eliminate the naysayers by giving us a morsel of something to look forward to.

andyb
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Angelo ,my comment was not directed specifically at you ,its just that in my experience those with most to say are often short on action and on the subject of NEVs ,I think they know exactly what they are doing it just might not align with the ideas of others and what they want.

David Dallimore
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Irrespective of where these SAABs ar heading too, my thoughts and best wishes go to the employees who must have had a hell of a couple of years.
We have a saying here in the UK ‘Mighty Oaks from small acorns grow’. Maybe these few SAAB ‘acorns’ destined for the far east, will do likewise.

JasonVT
Member
2 years 9 months ago
But Daddy I want a golden goose and I want it now! The comments are irritating and funny at the same time. So many Saab fans are incredibly whiney if they don’t get exactly what they want, at the time they want, at the price they want to pay. Saab enthusiasts are notoriously cheap, and vocal. Let the company get to work. They have the factory running on a small scale to get the bugs worked out and secure staffing before it disappears. They are working around many obstacles. I hope they succeed, and I think this is a good… Read more »
Troels, Denmark
Member
2 years 9 months ago

+

Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I’ll say it again….NEVS is a global company with a global vision. Maybe they’re just smarter that the rest of us but their marketing plan is to include NA. If they make it to NA they will first make it to Europe.

Like Jason said. let them get to work. To hades with speculation! Personally. this past two days should be met with applause…and a sigh of relief.

SaabLife
Member
2 years 9 months ago
I’d hardly consider anything anyone has said here as childish or overly angry. Criticism is just something to be expected with anything. People have opinions and they like to voice them. Much like generalizing a large group of people, lets say Saab enthusiasts, as cheap and vocal, some would say ‘that’ is childish, but you have the right to say it. Especially considering this is a place where people are intended to talk about Saab. I’m pretty sure everyone here wants the same thing, a successful Nevs Saab. But you can’t be overly joyful about every single aspect of their… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I believe most of our discussion/debate has been constructive and engaging. I don’t believe it’s been childish. Now I admit—when I called the Chinese embassy, became furious and threw a tantrum when they wouldn’t give me Rachel Pang’s phone number or arrange for her to travel to the U.S. to meet me—-THAT was childish. But our discussion here, not at all.

Joe
Guest
2 years 9 months ago

Rachel’s daddy must not like you, Angelo.

WM
Member
2 years 9 months ago

+1. Well said Jason.

christian
Member
2 years 9 months ago
So, the visitors of this site can only be graduated in two groups: the naysaysers and the blind supporters? Gimme a break… What would this site be if everybody would just cheer and celebrate and glorify everything we hear and read? A board of commercials. That’s what I’d call childish. I doubt that this community would be as big as it is. This is a website about a certain car brand. Behind the cars is a manufacturing company, and that company cannot reach its goals (which is making profit) without the customers that buy their product. With turnover always comes… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
It’s really interesting Christian. The funniest part of this is that while I agree with almost everything you wrote—-I almost do go along with the “two camps” theory that you reject. I view the two camps as one group that is critical of NEVS because we feel they are squandering an opportunity (just maybe the last chance) for a car company we have loved to be successful. The other camp is one that thinks any criticism at all about NEVS impedes on their chances to make Saab successful. So you have the complainers like me, railing about how NEVS is… Read more »
Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Basing conjecture without all the facts can be construed as childish…I have zero problem with debate. One needs facts to debate.

SaabLife
Member
2 years 9 months ago
Basing conjecture with the only given facts is a perfectly normal and human thing to do. Without solid facts the debate goes into the realm of possibility, combining the two gives way to an array of potential outcomes, which will likely present itself as the end result of this lovely scenario. Nothing childish about it. It’s what we humans do and it’s how we prepare ourselves for multiple possibilities. Good or bad outcomes included. In the case of Nevs Saab, I’m sure that they will be successful, if they play their cards right. We just have to wait and see… Read more »
Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

That only happens in certain circles I’m not privy to nor do I want to be. Ever been in an office full of women? All I hear is the clucking of hens…haha

I guess what I should have said to make it clear is… We spend our time here bantering about what if this or what if that, when at the end of the day the logical reasoning for NEVS’ silence may show us how it was lost to our understanding and all the banter will have been such a waste of time and effort.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago

I agree Mark. My assertion has always been that we’re too short on facts. One party can change that: NEVS.

Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago
It’s easy to sit back and let the shit hit the fan and then say “I told you so” The fact is the shit hasn’t hit the fan…yet. I’m just as annoyed that NEVS is as tight-lipped as they have been. But I don’t have the bankroll to fund the resurrection, they do. Obviously their logic is to proceed carefully and systematically….that may be a costly and terminal mistake.. For now I’m glad as hell there is something positive to talk about. I know that Victor was all about boasting and rushing to the drawing board to get new models… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago
Well, maybe it’s cultural. I think Americans are accustomed to high volume—-carnival barkers—-snake oil salesman. We like big and bold—-brash and confident. Maybe NEVS operates in a different culture and has a different way of getting from point A to point B—-and it’s to be quiet and workmanlike. Maybe they want to put in the work and let the product speak for itself. And I’m not informed enough about consumerism in China to know if that approach is appropriate there or not. But I know that in the U.S. and in at least some parts of Europe, the expectation is… Read more »
Hannu
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Moved…

DonL
Guest
2 years 9 months ago

Does anyone know what the warranty is on the new cars? Also, the new 93 is probably not as expensive as it looks to us North Americans, as there is probably a lot of swedish tax built into the price that would be omitted upon export!

phermansson
Member
2 years 9 months ago

25% of the price is VAT

Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

25% !!!! that puts it into perspective.

I know when my local dealer finally received his first, and last, 9-5SC V6 XWD car that he invited me to go test drive it and have a look but when I asked him how much the MSRP was on it…he told me $73,000 CDN I burst out laughing and wished him luck finding a buyer for a SAAB for that much money. Don’t get me wrong, the car was fantastic! If it were priced at say between 40K and 50K maybe.

hughw
Member
2 years 9 months ago

How is it possible your dealer had 9-5SC V6 XWD? They were never produced AFAIK except for the test versions sold at auction.

Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

My apologies it was not a sport combi it was a sedan….V6 XWD

rune
Member
2 years 9 months ago

At that point in time, what car could you have gotten for 40-50K?

Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

BMW 328xi

rune
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Sigh. That is half a meter less car and at that point a five year old design (generation changed the very next year).

A 5-series BMW would have been a more natural comparison. And even then… Up in Canada… Good luck in the snow with that Beamer.

But sure, if you essentially expected to be able to get a Beamer for half price, then your expectations weren’t being met.

Mark G
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Actually all wheel drive BMW’s do very well up here in Canada in the snow. It’s the two wheel drive cars that have the problems.

Angelo V.
Member
2 years 9 months ago

3/36? 3 months, 3600 miles? And the NEVS certified used program will offer 3/36, 3 weeks, 360 miles. In all honestly, I would assume a standard issue luxury car warranty—-maybe a 4 year, 50,000 mile bumper to bumper? How can we even be talking about ordering cars when there are questions about how long the warranty is? How are we in this place?

phermansson
Member
2 years 9 months ago

Standard warranty in Sweden for Saab was 2 years… As I’ve stated before, there are reasons why manufactures make so little money in the US 😉

Stefan Zomborcsevics
Guest
2 years 9 months ago

For the first time since the summer, I actually read all tje comments.
I’m baffelld that approx. 25% of the comment is basicallt the same as they was 6,7,8….well even 12 month ago. And still regardless of the subject at hand, the comments is the same

Why do I even bother? Well, I did believe that an event ofthis sort at least whould have made the comment more conserning the articles or the production….

But no, the same commenter(s) repeate the same thing regardless of the subject, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and….

wpDiscuz