Press Release: The construction of Nevs’ Chinese factory in Tianjin starts June 28

The construction of Nevs’ Chinese factory in Tianjin starts June 28

To mark start of construction of Nevs’ New energy vehicle factory in China, and the establishment of a R&D-center, a groundbreaking ceremony will be held in Tianjin June 28.

The Tianjin manufacturing plant will be Nevs’ second global production base focused on EVs, initially for the Chinese market. Nevs’ research, development and production will be managed from its headquarters in Trollhättan.

Per-Ole Westerholm
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1 year 3 months ago

Under what brand are Nevs going to produce EVs?

SaabKen
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1 year 3 months ago

We know what name it *won’t* be ….. “Saab”

Dan P
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1 year 3 months ago

Yes, unless Saab AB decide to allow it, that is. Not quite that definitive, yet.

saaburban
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1 year 2 months ago

Sonett v.s Tesla

Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

What about conventional Saabs for the rest of the global market. I test drove a 2011 Saab 9-3 here and it made me sad. Have the gave any hint on what they will do about that?

gustaf
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1 year 3 months ago

NEVS has stated several times that not a single hour will be dedicated to deliver a pure gasoline or diesel propelled vehicle. If you still want to keep the dream alive, read this V4 turbo post http://www.saabtala.com/saab-dreams/ Certainly just a dream but quite amusing.

hans h
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1 year 3 months ago

They have said that the future is electric. Neither petrol nor diesel is on the agenda. And I think that is good. They need to stick to their original plan.

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

Yes, because their original plan is so spectacular. LMAO.

Troels, Denmark
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1 year 3 months ago

I agree – except from the good fact that they say they also will produce hybrids, which – for some time – will be a good solution for drivers who needs a longer driving-range.

hughw
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1 year 3 months ago

My understanding is that they’re not hybrids in the Prius sense, but EV’s with a range extender to charge batteries.

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

So then they’re not a hybrid. Just great.

Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

Well I hope they change their minds, because I still that turbo petrol ed engine Saab. I’ve written a lot of emails to them and I’m sure others have too. They need to revise their business plan and bring them back to North America for gosh sake.

Dan P
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1 year 3 months ago

Fortunately the likes of VW, Skoda, Alfa, Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Peugeot, Renault, Fiat, Subaru, , etc etc have finally caught up to the innovative Saab of the late 20th century, and you can get your turbocharged 4cyl petrol from any of them, today!

rune
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1 year 2 months ago
BMW and Mercedes are RWD (or AWD). VW & Skoda? I’d rather go with Audi to get a step up in quality (to match my Saab), but then: no turbocharged 4-cyl. A french car? No comment. Alfa – maybe, but I’d be worried out of my mind come winter time and roads bathed in salt. Not exactly a big car, now is it? Subaru? Maybe, but afaik the comfort level isn’t up to snub. (but they took a lot of pointers from Saab during the 9-2 project, so maybe things have changed) Volvo? Wife won’t stand for it. She sees… Read more »
Dan P
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1 year 2 months ago

Well,quite. What I’m saying is it’s a tough market and it’s probably best left to others to fight for it.

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

Yes, read Bergman’s recent presentation and questions/answers. No more gas and diesel antiques for NEVS. They’re in the future, baby.

Paul Willis
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1 year 3 months ago
I would actually consider a Saab that was an EV as long as it had the ranger extender. Yes, it might not be the same as Saabs of yore, like the one I have now, but people mistakenly poo-poo the electric motor as a power unit. The only limitation is the storage capacity of the batteries, certainly a very important limitation, but in terms of a propulsion unit, it is far, far more efficient. Yes, both burn fossil fuels to get their power, directly or indirectly (except for the potential of solar and wind), but the electric motor is far,… Read more »
Joe
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1 year 3 months ago

Wow. Impressive! And to think…I’m still mixing oil in my gasoline!

Dan P
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1 year 3 months ago

Absolutely spot on.

Ooh, whoops – I mean “electric garbage!”

SU really needs a comment upvote/downvote system, eg: this one. Please add one so the less vocal can have some input, the community here is being utterly smothered.

Black Arrow
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1 year 3 months ago

+1

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago
Fuel Cells make more sense to me as “the future” than EVs. But all of this misses the point. The point is that they choked the remaining life out of “Saab” as a car brand. I don’t think these people will ever mass-produce electric cars, range extender or not. But if they do, it will be in China, probably not exported to traditional Saab markets around the globe, and probably not called Saab. Yes, even if we eventually need to evolve to a point where our Grandchildren and their kids are off fossil fuel propulsion for cars—-it shouldn’t start now… Read more »
roger
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1 year 3 months ago

And you’re in the past babe…

Hamish Keddie
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1 year 3 months ago

They did however say that range extended EVs with an IC engine to charge the battery would be produced and sold as SAABs. They also indicated that partner companies night develop IC motors that could be used in NEVS produced vehicles for partner companies brands. However conventional vehicles would not be sold as SAABs. Part of their plan is to make vehicles for other companies.

saabdog
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1 year 3 months ago

If Nevs only produces electric cars, they will be out of business in short order — unless they get massive government subsidies from their Chinese overlords. I think we can all officially say adios to Saab. I still don’t understand how the Swedish government could just let Saab die. What a waste of a great car brand.

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

Not only did they “let it die” but in some ways, they are responsible for sending Saab to be executed by NEVS. My guess is that they are quite happy with the outcome at this point. This was never about preserving good jobs and keeping an iconic Swedish brand afloat. This was nothing of the sort. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

I agree, just let it die.

zippy
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1 year 3 months ago

Saab died in 2011 and NEVS is just a joke.

Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

How dare they ruin the Saab Heritage with their electric garbage, but that’s ok they will fail and I can’t wait!!!

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

Brad: As a long time fan of Saab, I am almost ashamed to admit this, but I’m right with you on this. I don’t want to see them succeed with a plan that’s ridiculous and leaves the most loyal Saab markets in the cold. They turn their back on us but it’s not okay for us to turn our back on them? Wrong. I’m not pulling for them to fall flat on their face.

Skipper
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1 year 3 months ago

As of today, with a plant/development center being built in the heart of China future development area, and with backing from an organisation supported by the China Central Commitee, it looks good for NEVS – but SAAB is out.
We don`t know whether Mahindra was out, or NEVS thought this a better deal.

Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

I’m really digging the new 2016 Fiat 500x hatchback

Piet-Hein S.
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1 year 3 months ago

to a lot of people, Saab already died years ago, when GM came in, or when the 9000 was introduced. pick one….

Brad
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1 year 2 months ago

At least they were still alive, I can’t believe their isn’t ONE major car brand out there who is willing to buy back the assets.

Dagen Runt
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1 year 3 months ago

I’ll say just this: A company that ten months ago needed life support from the Swedish taxpayer in the form of reorganisation, and three months ago asked its Swedish creditors to cut their debt to get out of it, now gets into building a rd and production facility in China? Who runs this show?

Skipper
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1 year 3 months ago

China.

SaabKen
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1 year 3 months ago

Exactly. And there’s a big GONG on the stage too:

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

Dagen: You know the answer to that. I know the answer to that. But the apologists will continue to crow about NEVS and look for a silver lining in this horrific cloud. It’s astonishing. I don’t know whether people really can’t see this—-or if they are just convincing themselves that somehow, there’s good news in any of this—-because they loved Saab so much.

Doug R.
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1 year 3 months ago
i Haven’t commented in a while so here it goes. Nevs is in my opinion will suck every ounce of tech left of saab and manufacturing innovations and share it with the Chinese. Its like having a corpse and cutting it up in pieces. As i have stated before quoting Tim,,, The powers that be want the Sweden plant for a Shipping Storage Facility. I suspect the fire sale will start within 6 months which may include,,, building,,, tooling for parts,, machinery etc. These guys take no prisoners..The owner wants to become whole again at any cost…. Where is the… Read more »
Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago
Right again, Doug. Dr. Nevs is harvesting organs from the dying patient (that they might have deliberately killed), Saab, and will transplant the organs to the Chinese operation. All we do now is hang onto our Saabs while parts are available and service doesn’t cost a fortune. The value has been sucked out of the cars because of how horribly mishandled the company has been over the last few years—-so they’re not even worth selling or trading at this point. You hold them until you encounter a problem that is so expensive, it’s not worth fixing. Dump at that point… Read more »
tianalfred
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1 year 3 months ago

NEVS China was officially established in Tianjin Huaming Dist. on May 28, and new agreement signed on May 30. the new plant will lay cornerstone on Jun 28. http://auto.huanqiu.com/technologyfrontier/2015-06/6624689.html

Skipper
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1 year 3 months ago

As can easily bee seen in one of the charts, there is a questionmark re. the SAAB brand. It need not be . There will NOT be SAAB connected to China.

Ronnie_Rad
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1 year 3 months ago

The third and fourth chart literally tells you everything. This is a shame.

Skipper
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1 year 3 months ago

The fifth chart indicates that THT and SRIT (China) owns 78%.

Ronnie_Rad
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1 year 3 months ago

Who are they?

Esone
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1 year 3 months ago
Sad too see that this site are being destroyed by some few supporters. Thay are living in the past, and do not understand the future of the car-industry. Of course, it is a lost to see good-ol Saab become something new. But we have to face the future. Saab is brave. Have always been. First in meny terms of new development. You all know. Freewheele, seatbelts, seatwarmers, auto-light, turbo. And, the way these Saabs are handeling in the winter. No one else cars do it the same predicetable way. The electric engine is far more effectiv, and simple. So it… Read more »
Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

My love of the brand is why I started posting and why I continue to. Can you describe how any of this has been good for Saab? And how EVs, almost exclusively for China, are good for people around the world who love Saab? I am respectful toward other members here—-we don’t all share the same opinion. Hopefully the moderators will continue to allow me to have an opinion and share it with others who visit the site.

Esone
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1 year 3 months ago
Not precisely of me. Of course you love the brand name. Saab as ist used to be. But not Saab as it is planned to become. Pure electric. That is NEVS business plan, and you know it. And NEVS ownes Saab, but mayby not the brand name. NEVS ownes the industri culture and knowledge of Saab anyway. So it is. And Angelo, yes its a free world, and you have had god points also. But you are here too much, and mostly negative. Should have beens are not interesting. Saabs business plan is ELECTRIC. Factory for development and Euromarked in… Read more »
Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago
Well, that’s the point of having debate and discussions. Some people like the plan, others don’t. Some people don’t like NEVS, others do. I hear a lot of chatter about how great Tesla is—-and that’s fine. I see Teslas every day in my area. Frankly, I don’t find the cars nearly as attractive as some do—-but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The shape is okay. I’m sure driving one would be a blast, for as long as the range allowed. But aren’t the longest range models north of eighty thousand dollars? That’s over twice as much as… Read more »
SaabKen
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1 year 3 months ago

“And Angelo, yes its a free world, and you have had god points also.”

Well, we don’t think Angelo is quite god-like, ‘tho he’s almost as old as God 😉 😉

Patrik H
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1 year 3 months ago

Not all of us consumed the NEVS electric car Kool-Aid.

Saab was turbo. Saab will always be turbo. NEVS never has been and never will be Saab. They bought Saab’s factory and made some 2003-turned-2014 9-3s. Hurray.

Angelo, along with all of us, are allowed to have dissenting opinions.

roger
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1 year 3 months ago

Are you shortminded mr Angelo? Saab was bankrupt and noone but NEVS wanted to pay good money for the rest and pieces of it. The alternative to NEVS was and is nothing. You have your right to your own opinion but please think before you write.

Aeronils
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1 year 3 months ago
I’ll think they are right to be on top off a neww automobile ere. it’s funny, when people or a company take an innovative, courageous way, many don’t wnat to encourage them. I know Saab is in our hearts, and hope something coming back. but honestly the IC vehicule is fully at the end of its lifecycle as a concept. everything has start and an … ending. ok maybe NEVS wont succeed, but give them a chance! they had difficulty to sell the new 9-3 aero even a few hundreds, maybe that made them clear about the strategy. we, saabists,… Read more »
Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

I will never accept an electric Saab sorry, that is a mockery of Saab’s history.

MK
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1 year 3 months ago

So it was okay when Saab Automobile AB wanted to do electric Saabs?

Strange comment.

Saab Automobile AB was in the direction of electric cars too, but more in a long term.

Should you have stopped buying Saab then?

I saw another comment here some day that if there are no Saab badge on the car he will not buy.
So a Fiat 500 with Saab badge is okay then?

I can admit that I laugh a lot when I read some comments.

saabyurk
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1 year 3 months ago

Your comment is like a breath of fresh air in a smog-filled city. Thank you!

saabyurk
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1 year 3 months ago

Just to be clear, my reply was directed to Aeronils, not Brad. Saab’s history is a history of leadership and innovation, being ahead of the times in many ways. Future oriented electrification is a logical continuation of that history.

dennisd
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1 year 3 months ago

I agree with Aeronils.
two weeks ago a drove a tesla.
briljant, what a feeling. it feels like four turbo’s
but it isn’t Saab, do like the looks.
so nevs please build me a Taab

maanders
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1 year 3 months ago
I like and admire the Tesla technology also, but the range of a Tesla, as currently built is just not practical to be my daily driver and a Tesla is too expensive a car to have just for fun…at least for me. I do think electric cars do have a future for those where the range is adequate, but I an still trying to figure out what car to get after my current Saab that has all the same qualities of fun to drive, safety, cargo space, etc. If I had an EV NEVS car (Saab branded or otherwise) I… Read more »
Black Arrow
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1 year 3 months ago

Excellent post Aeronils, I fully agree.
I do not need to be in my 900 turbo during daily traffic jams (with an inceasing number of EV’s surrounding me), but I do need to hear my turbo whistle occasionally in the weekends while cruising the country roads…

Alastair
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1 year 3 months ago
Where are you soothsayers and born cynics getting your facts from to state that the IC is dead and we should all now move with the times to EV powered modes of transport? Show me some factual evidence that supports this theory covering the next 50 years. One person utters this crap and many sheep follow on with this statement. Sure technology will adapt to new modes of transport to cover the ‘eventual’ demise of fossil fuels but who is to say that the final outcome will be ‘carbon unfriendly in manufacturing’ battery power. Perhaps they will refine pig shite… Read more »
Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

Enjoy your electric Saab then, because me and a lot of other people are done!!!

Jesse Crandle
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1 year 3 months ago

The issue isn’t internal combustion being “DEAD”, the issue is barrier to entry. The chances of a start up company getting production of a new line of vehicles up and running is increasingly difficult, and it’s been proven by backers that no one is willing to pay for it. The only people backing NEVS at this point backed them with the promise of electric vehicles, not the promise of IC engines.

Mark G
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1 year 3 months ago
I wonder if it’s the difference we see through diverse cultural and demographics that brings so many east-to-west different opinions. I mean, why beat up on Angelo when he has the right to voice his opinions just like everyone else does? And yet you, Esone, believe you have the right to tell Angelo to ‘shut up’ AND call for moderators to have him banned? Maybe it’s because you see the world through whatever coloured glasses you use based on where you live. I think Angelo states his opinions based on what he feels is right for Saab in general for… Read more »
Aeronils
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1 year 3 months ago
thank you Alastair for your critical point of view. I am not trying to say that this or that techno is definitly the solution. maybe a mix of. i dont have a frozen point of view, the more i am not having the knowledge to do so. What i am trying to say is, that all innovation in history are not a fruit of calculation and logic. You can’t invent something new without thinking out of the box. That could be (i don’t know what NEVS has in mind), the case. Saab is innovative brand, that we all know, and… Read more »
3cyl
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1 year 3 months ago
NEVS seems to be pursuing the course it said it was going to follow all along – build EVs for China. SAAB’s IC cars failed in the marketplace. No one wants to make the investment needed to go down the IC road again ( probably a wise financial decision). The EV plan may not look that good either. However, if the Chinese don’t renege on their commitment this time, NEVS might succeed in the controlled market for which its plan is designed even if the loss of the original Chinese investor has cost NEVS the use of the SAAB name.
Jesse Crandle
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1 year 3 months ago

I don’t leave comments anymore or hardly read the comments because of the negativity, so maybe all of you who do nothing but complain should show yourself the door at this point. The cars aren’t Saabs, they’ll be made in China, so what more do you have left to grovel about? They were CARS. MOVE ON. If you don’t like the direction things are moving then why don’t you take up a knitting class, you’ve obviously hit that stage in your life where the progression of society irks you and you should do geriatric activities now.

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago
Jesse: The progression of society doesn’t irk me at all. The trashing of Saab, admittedly, THAT irks me a bit. Funny how companies like KIA are raking in the millions, selling 120,000 KIA Souls per year, mostly gas engines. Honda, Toyota, Jeep—setting sales records with gas engined vehicles too. BMW and Audi, with gas and diesels—-Volkswagen—-all solvent, all selling a massive majority of their cars with gas and diesel. But somehow, I’m stuck in the past because I believe NEVS is mishandling Saab by focusing on electrics for China and ignoring current and foreseeable future market conditions. Yikes.
Jesse Crandle
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1 year 3 months ago
I never named you, although you are frequently and alarmingly negative. I’d say the biggest guilt you have is a failure to understand that Saab has been out of the game long enough that their barrier to entry is basically that of a startup company. The likelihood of a brand new company making gas or diesel powered vehicles is about as likely as a new cigarette company coming out, or the likelihood that someone is going to open a country wide chain of stores to rent DVDs. Is it impossible? No. Is anyone going to front the money to be… Read more »
saabdog
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1 year 2 months ago

Actually, I see Angelo as being extremely positive for REAL Saabs. Nevs doesn’t get it and I have no faith that they ever will. The market for EV’s is tiny. The only way that EV’s will make sense is in a command economy with massive subsidies, like China (read communism and we all know how that turned out in the Soviet Union). In the free market, EV’s don’t have a prayer of being success no on wants them. What is so hard to understand about there being no market for electric vehicles?

Angelo V.
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1 year 2 months ago
Guys: 1) Jesse: All of those huge, established companies are flush with money for R&D and some already have EVs and hybrids. They can turn on a dime if market conditions suddenly and inexplicably turn to EVs—-and blow NEVS out of the water with better EVs for a lower price than anything these people at NEVS can come up with. Saabdog hit the nail on the head: Either way, NEVS is going to have an uphill climb against better funded, more established and more competent car companies that already have dealer networks and platforms out the wazoo. So if anything,… Read more »
Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

No we should all be mad at Nevs, because they took on something they clearly couldn’t handle. Now I want GM to buy back Saab. Do it GM!!!

Black Arrow
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1 year 3 months ago

You cannot be serious

Joe
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1 year 3 months ago

Black Arrow: Why not?

Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

Keep in mind, their is a new CEO at GM now and she seems to be the type to let Saab do their own thing and develop their own platforms. I like her. Leadership at companies do change.

maanders
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1 year 3 months ago

GM never knew what to do with Saab. So much so that when finances were tight, they just wanted to shut it down. What makes you think they would know what to do with Saab now, especially when it would take LOTS of money to come up with a new design to build, test and sell?

Recent reports here in the US are saying that GM is losing ground again to Ford. I would not be surprised if they are not in tight financial times again in a few years.

Brad
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1 year 3 months ago

They should at least make gasoline Saab’s on the side, because people still love their petroleum engined Saab.

juho
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1 year 3 months ago

+1

Paul Willis
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1 year 3 months ago
Wow, the folks commenting here are pretty unyielding, at least in terms of considering the possibility of a different kind of Saab. Yes, it could be that this is all designed just to transfer the existing technology and related assets to the Chinese ownership interests and leave the “real” Saab as a distant memory. I hope not. But remember that when GM was initially unloading Saab, it didn’t want the Chinese involved. Maybe Mahindra was interested, maybe others were, but I never really saw where other European manufacturers had a real need for Saab. That left the other small players… Read more »
Paul Willis
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1 year 3 months ago
One additional comment. What will be the future of propulsion for autos? No one knows for sure: fuel cells, EV, more IC, a combination of all, something else? But one thing is for sure, the world is a different place than it was even 20 years ago, and the pace of change is increasing. And the centers of economic and industrial power in the global environment are changing big time. You can see it literally everywhere: just look at the calendar for F1. Or consider who owns Volvo or Jaguar. What does all of this have to do with Saab… Read more »
Joe
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1 year 3 months ago

If everything goes EV, what will I ever do with my lifetime supply of 2 stroke oil?

Black Arrow
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1 year 3 months ago

Put them next to your coal

Joe
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1 year 3 months ago

Can’t. Sold my coal back to the power plants…they said they needed to burn it, so people could charge their EV’s!

Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago

Aren’t there some two stroke lawn mowers or snow blowers still around? You can collect some of that stuff to use the oil!

Skipper
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1 year 3 months ago
According to tianalfred above, NEVS China has been established, and it is NEVS China building the factory and R&D in Tianjin. Combined with the INFO that NEVS only are hiring 40 engineers to develop: current 9-3 Electric, hybrid vehicles and Phoenix on which there should be several different vehicles, leads me to believe there is an unknown new company: NEVS China, where NEVS probably has a minor stake and China the majority stake. NEVS China could produce 9-3 Electric within two years for Tianjin and Beijing – even if it is not fully competitive. Note: there is no hiring of… Read more »
rune
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1 year 3 months ago
FWLIW: I am currently reading up on the kerfuffle surrounding the brand name during the bankruptcy proceedings. SAAB AB got involved with the receivers at a very early date to stake a claim on the name. The receivers fought for the name, but I have not gotten to the end of this document yet, so I do not know what made the receivers back off in the end. In any case, back then, SAAB AB argued that it is vital that anything that carries their name represents them in a good way. A premium car loaded with solid state-of-the-art technology… Read more »
Angelo V.
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1 year 3 months ago
Well, overpriced “premium” has had Saab cars at or near bankruptcy and collapse several times, so if Saab AB likes the association with failure, I guess that’s their prerogative. Honestly, I’m sick of them, too. If they have this vision and want cars with their name sold to consumers to somehow support and fortify their name in aviation and defense sales to governments—-maybe they should go back into the car business and make sure it’s done to their liking. I would love to know the precise verbiage—-to see if it was an interpretation or direct language—-that they don’t want a… Read more »
rune
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1 year 3 months ago
There are no shortage of former Saab engineers who still complain about GM’s part bin. And there is probably no shortage of GM bean counters complaining about Saab engineers reinventing the wheel. I do not fully buy the “premium failed for Saab” argument, because it was a strategy that was never executed in earnest. As for the shotgun approach to product development: the non-premium market dictates volume, and only in recent times was Saab’s production plant upgraded to a point where it could handle a higher production rate, but I doubt it would have coped with a high-volume seller. If… Read more »
maanders
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1 year 3 months ago
I also read an article recently that said that whether an EV is “greener” than an IC vehicle is a function of what the electric power plans in your region use to generate electricity. I believe that China (like many parts of the US) primarily uses coal-fired plants to generate electricity. So, unless China is planning to make big moves to nuclear and/or natural gas plants, not sure EVs help them achieve the goal in the long run. As I said above, I am not saying there is no market at all for EVs, just that EV only will not… Read more »
Dan P
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1 year 3 months ago
This is absolutely true, but there are huge benefits to allowing the coal plant to be the polluter and not the cars in the city. Containing the pollution and thus improving the air quality in populated areas is one of the aims here that will have huge knock-on effects for health… hey, it might even help cut some health spending, you can’t argue with that, right?!? By the way, not everyone thinks EVs are the future because of their ‘green’ credentials. That’s nice, but there’s way more to it that that. A bit like how some of us think it’s… Read more »
rune
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1 year 2 months ago

Modern cars don’t pollute much. And as Trond-Arve recently called me out on: Neither does modern trucks. The Euro6 emission standard is very strict.

Add to that: Biopower engines pollute even less.

I.e. the problem has already been solved. EVs do not really bring anything new to the table. Just reduced range, less convenience and a higher price tag.

In Norway, the biggest concern seems to be studded tyres. The particles from the ground up asphalt causes some health concerns. Can’t solve that problem with EVs.

Dan P
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1 year 2 months ago
When there are a million cars on the road, though, I guess the difference between “not much” and “none” might become significant. On the tyres things – i’m sure there will be another solution, one day. Someone will release a much superior material with better wear, grip and longevity. Some people won’t want it. The limitations of EVs will also very likely be solved, in time. It’s still a late stage innovator/early adopter market, but there will be a saturation point at some point. Best to be ahead of the curve than behind it when that happens, and able to… Read more »
rune
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1 year 2 months ago
I would like to see what kind of road can handle a million cars… Norway has 5 million citizens. Though a big portion are crammed in around one major city, it still isn’t a million (far from it). The infrastructure breaks down long before you reach such numbers. I noticed similar issues with NEVS’ presentation. They ponder the question “what will happen if China adopts the same number of cars per citizen as the US?”. Well… The entire country would be gridlocked = no oil consumption because everybody would be standing still! Problem solved… The pollution that poses a risk… Read more »
3cyl
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1 year 3 months ago

Tesla is trying a swap program whereby you pull into a charging station and elect to swap the depleted battery for one that is fully charged and then drive on. Swap time is said to be as little as three minutes. However, it appears that at this time the cost of the swap option negates the fuel cost savings that helps justify owning an EV. However, a future with more EVs and a limited number of standardized battery pack configurartions might make this “filling station” model more efficient.

Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

Maybe he should put a rocket into space without blowing it up. Then he can come back to figuring out how electric cars can replace the gold standard—-gas and diesel.

3cyl
Member
1 year 3 months ago

“In any case, back then, SAAB AB argued that it is vital that anything that carries their name represents them in a good way. A premium car loaded with solid state-of-the-art technology is their vision. A cheap car for the mass market? Not so much. SAAB AB want bragging rights and an icon they can use to promote their own products.”

This position undoubtedly quashed any notion of a “priced right SAAB” and certainly the concept of any SAAB badged Mahindras.

Skipper
Member
1 year 3 months ago

I am out. This new SU-thing with moderation, makes it impossible to have a decent dialog – besides- this no longer has anything to do with SAAB – so, I am out.

100%Saab
Member
1 year 3 months ago

Still waiting on developments.
Not sure this does anything for me, yet.
Just a thought.

Mark G
Member
1 year 3 months ago
Interesting that you bring up the point about infrastructure surrounding charging stations, Rune. At the beginning of June I was at a tournament with my grandson in Rohnert Park, California. One of the other parents borrowed his friend’s Tesla in San Francisco for the event. A sixty mile drive north of San Francisco depleted the battery enough (AC was on the whole way) to the point where he HAD to find a “Tesla Recharge Station” to get the thing charged enough to make the first game. He was late. In fact, he missed the game. I got to go for… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

Range anxiety is a reality. I don’t care what Musk says—-at this point in time and for at least the near future, range anxiety is very real.

No 9
Member
1 year 3 months ago

No doubt, there’s something rotten in the state of Sweden. You have a modern car building facility but no car to build. So you build a second car building facility…

Quixcube
Member
1 year 3 months ago

Pretty sure it’s time to split the site up into two sites: Classic-SAAB and NEVS-rumors

The two do not mingle.

Stefan G
Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Everyone should cool down a bit and read this LONG article. With an open mind. It raises alot of questions but is also giving some answers to why NEVS might have chosen the EV path. http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/06/how-tesla-will-change-your-life.html#part1

rune
Member
1 year 2 months ago
That article basically argues the CAGW point of view: that we will all die if the temperature moves a degree or two in either direction (five degrees colder and we will all freeze to death! five degrees warmer and we will all be floating in the sea – dead!). It argues that the temperature we have now is somehow the only ‘right’ temperature for mother Earth. Sorry, I do not buy into doomsday prophecies. (also note that we have less than 40 years of satellite data and roughly 200 years of manually collected data of various quality – plus a… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

There’s a lot of profits to be made and power to be gained through hysteria. It’s the oldest trick in the book—-scare people into allowing themselves to be controlled. This is seriously ridiculous that we have to have an argument about “taking action” to make the climate what we want it to be. It’s beyond silly. I wonder if these people could have saved the dinosaurs somehow?

Patrik H
Member
1 year 3 months ago

Personally, I’d rather not read one more iota about NEVS. Objectively, the only truly “Saab” thing about them is the factory. The dealerships are gone, the employees are gone, the customers are gone….and so are the cars.

I want to read more about Saab’s history, Saab design & engineering, Saabs of the Week, events, festivals, etc.

I come here for Saab, not NEVS. I come here for SaabsUnited, not SaabsDivided.

SaabKen
Member
1 year 3 months ago
+9 ! This site is now NEVSUnited for lack of better word. NEVS, after losing its rights to continue to use the SAAB name, has forever divorced itself from any future scenarios that may involve cars with the SAAB name. I don’t give a rat’s ass what NEVS is, and will be, up to, nor whether its all ICE, hybrid or electric powerplants and where the cars will be made, if made at all. The point is, SAAB cars as we know it is dead. After that last batch of 100+ cars NEVS rolled off its assembly line, that was… Read more »
Dan P
Member
1 year 2 months ago

I prefer “SaabsUntied”, personally!

Brad
Member
1 year 3 months ago

The only thing I want to hear from Nevs is that are building petroleum cars too.

Brad
Member
1 year 3 months ago

I pray now that Saab AB doesn’t license those idiots the Saab name.

Ronnie_Rad
Member
1 year 3 months ago
I can’t believe this company. They apply not only for a reorganization, but then ask for it to be extended. TWICE! Then have the nerve to start construction of a new factory in a foreign nation across the globe? Even if the money pile is different, that money could have went to restarting Trollhattan. How dare them! The Swedish courts should reverse the decision and have them pay the entire amount owed back to the suppliers. Then on top of it all they start making statements like it will be the global headquarters for R&D? So what’s the value of… Read more »
3cyl
Member
1 year 3 months ago

Unfortuately the Trollhattan operation has a poor track record for financial success making it difficult to convince investors to put money at risk there to build a new line of cars. I suppose the Swedish Government could have sweetened the pot, but apparently the prospect of this bottomless pit absorbing taxpayer funds was not attractive even in Sweden.

Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

As Doug R. wrote—-they are going to milk the last droplet of a drop of technolgy—-anything they can get their hands on in Sweden—-and zap it back to China. This was never about Saab in Sweden. That became so apparent, it’s sickening.

David Hay
Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Electric —- Schmetric!

The future for cars is solar and hydrogen(splitting water to create energy). Lithium and derivatives are short-sighted solutions.

This will never do for petrol heads however. Nothing like the sound, vibration, and smell of a meaty conventional engine.

I recently watched F1 EV’s whizzing around London —- about as atmospheric and romantic as a trip to the local bus shelter.

NEVS: No Engines — Verry Sorry.

Joe
Guest
1 year 3 months ago

“Fingers crossed” for the return of the 2 stroke! That’ll get your blood flowing…

Dan P
Member
1 year 3 months ago

Solar and hydrogen are still electric, no?

Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

Much like watermelons and tomatoes are both considered fruits.

zol10
Member
1 year 3 months ago
Gathering all the facts, the conclusion is clear. SAAB is gone and NEVS is moving all the technology and remaining resources to China to probably build mediocre electric cars for their local market. These cars probably are not built to meet the safety standards of the European and North American market and unquestionably are not SAABs. The final deductions is that there is not much left to say or write about al this. If you were a SAAB fan you must realize that it’s finally over for the brand and move on. Good luck to you all and I wish… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago
I wish the best for the Trollhattan people too. It was a great ride for many decades. We enjoyed the Saabs you sent to us in the USA and we’re still enjoying them—-all eras of Saab. Unless another company somehow gets use of the brand name, or if miraculously, Saab AB gets back in the car business, it’s over now. While there was hope, I still considered the brand alive—on life support. Now that it’s apparently over, it’s time to say our thanks to the people of Sweden who gave the world these unique automobiles. No one will ever quite… Read more »
Eugene
Member
1 year 2 months ago

What a relevant point. I think, it was the plan from the start. And they did that at minimum cost – yesterday they cut the creditors in Sweden, now they investing into a greenfield plant in China.

Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

Yep. Doug R. said this a long time ago. I was hoping they had better things in store for Sweden but apparently not.

juho
Member
1 year 2 months ago
Asked about the future, production restart and brand name. Answer for you all: “Thank you for contacting us. National Electric Vehicle Sweden’s aim is to become a front-runner in the automotive industry, with focus on electric vehicles. Nevs’ ambition is to finalize negotiations with industrial partners – both investors and partners for technical development cooperation. Nevs’ business plan will be reviewed and revised together with a new owner. Therefore it is still too early for us to be able to comment on future market plans and model programs. Please follow news about Nevs on our webpage http://www.saabcars.com/en/news/ Kind regards/ Customer… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

I’m not out yet. I’m hanging in with NEVS as a curiosity at this point. I’m intrigued by where they are going with this venture—-or where they THINK they are going and if they get there.

saabdog
Member
1 year 2 months ago

Answer to the question “where is Nevs going”? They are going down.

adde
Member
1 year 2 months ago
I think that ppl of Trollhättan (read: those who are still unemployed sice bankrupty) dont really care what will be produced in the factory in Stallbacka. Bicycles, TV or cars…pretty much the same when you havent had a job since Saab’s bankruptcy. What they need are jobs. Question is how many of them will be back in production. NEVS has no rights to use name “Saab” or put it on their products. Without that “condition” they are free to rearange ratio productio/R&D exactly how they want. Maybe only R&D in Trollhättan and production in China “to start with”. How long… Read more »
Brad
Member
1 year 2 months ago

These quacks aren’t fit to run a lemonade stand, much less our beloved Saab.

Angelo V.
Member
1 year 2 months ago

I’m picturing KJJ with a white uniform and one of those cone-shaped paper hats with the “NEVS LEMONADE” logo on it, pouring a nice tall lemoade and squeezing fresh lemon in—-bowing and handing it to a customer.

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