Fighters take off with the SAAB brand name…..

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We read on various international automotive sites that what we long feared has become true. Saab AB reaffirmed that NEVS will not be allowed to use the Saab name.

“We have revoked their right to use the brand name and there is no longer a discussion about NEVS using it”

Saab AB spokesman Sebastian Carlsson told Automotive News Europe.

I contacted Mr Carlsson this morning and got the information as well. So when are the big SAAB signs taken down at the old manufacturing plant in Trollhättan?

TonymacUK
Member
7 months 26 days ago

A great pity, but would we really want the shambolic operation that goes by the weird name “NEVS” to use the proud name of “SAAB”?

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Of course not. This is good news to preserve whatever is left of Saab Automobile’s dignity—stripping the rights to the name away from these interlopers was long overdue. Thank you, Saab AB.

WD78
Member
7 months 26 days ago

I just read two new job advertisements on NEVS website that came up today. They have changed in the ad text if compared with earlier ads, and now writes that NEVS “have a committed passion to create and deliver iconic and desirable global products suitable for volume production.” I wonder why they write about Iconic global products. Does that mean that they will make use of the Saab brand in the future? For what is otherwise an iconic product? I do not think this iconic product is the 9-3 EV model with a new brand name….

3cyl
Member
7 months 26 days ago

Perhaps they meant ironic.

SaabKen
Member
7 months 26 days ago

THANK YOU, 3cyl. Your wit really made my day 😀

SteveW
Member
7 months 26 days ago

IMHO think at this point either the url of this website should be changed to nevsunitied.com or it should focus on Saabs as per what it says on the tin.

MariusGTV
Member
7 months 26 days ago

Here here! Enough wasted energy on NEVS. Lets talk SAAB.

Niels-Søren Bøgh
Guest
7 months 26 days ago

Now, I am mad on Saab AB!

And I will not buy more fighter jets from them…

… Atleast not within this week!

zippy
Member
7 months 24 days ago

I’ll take a Viggen, I’m not greedy enought to require a Gripen. 😜

Frank F. Westwood
Member
7 months 26 days ago

I think its a wise decision from ‘the Real Saab’.
Those NEVS vehicles and their all-electric plans have nothing to do with Saab (aircraft), their certainly not worthy of the name SAAB. Like many of the Saab (car) engineers did a few years back I’m gonna move on to Volvo; where one can still order a Swedish hi-tech turbocharged vehicle, like the wonderful XC60 T6.
Too bad it had to come to this though…. 🙁

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 26 days ago

What said nevs about this ?

Androntrius
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7 months 22 days ago

Hi Frank, you need to check your e-mail, its not working and we’re getting a big bunch of bounce-backs on your comment subscription. You need to change your e-mail to one thats working or we’ll have to disable your account.

Frank F. Westwood
Member
7 months 19 days ago

Sorry about that. Just changed it, should be fine now..

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 26 days ago

I guess NEVS still has the 9-3 name though? If they’re really going to build almost two hundred thousand electric 9-3s for the Chinese government, will those cars be called 9-3? The Nevsmoblie 9-3? Or will they just start over with a new brand and new model names too? That’s assuming they actually ever build a car.

hughw
Member
7 months 26 days ago

It still says SAAB on every page of NEVS website.

Mailr
Member
7 months 26 days ago

To me, the statement is equivalent to nothing has happened recently.

You might argue that this indicate that nothing will happen in the future, but the statement doesn’t prove that.

There is also an elephant or two in the room, for anybody that notice. Because of that, I think the most likely outcome is some kind of compromise.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

yes, saab AB was as nevs playing with brand name YES or not. Everything can happen if one elephant stands up in the room.

saabdog
Member
7 months 26 days ago
I’m glad that Saab AB has made it clear that nevs will NOT be using the Saab name. They are unworthy of this storied marque. Without the Saab brand behind them, nevs is going to have an even more difficult time developing a successful car brand. My guess is that nevs will cease to exist as an automotive entity in the very near future. Perhaps there is a silver lining to this news. Not if, but when nevs fails, a real automotive company that’s worthy of the Saab brand can take the helm and begin making real Saabs again —… Read more »
Mick E. Bice
Member
7 months 26 days ago

Best news I’ve heard so far this year.

FW
Member
7 months 26 days ago

Crappest news I’ve heard so far this year. Foxtrot Uniform …..

Our beloved brand is DEAD. But hey, come on, let’s sing and dance and celebrate!

FW aa GMVMNEVSifififi

Mick E. Bice
Member
7 months 26 days ago

It’s been dead for five years already.

The good news here is that the Chinese interlopers are now not given the opportunity to exploit whatever cachet is left in the SAAB brand name. And that may protect the legacy of SAAB.

FW
Member
7 months 26 days ago
NEVS / SAAB has been showing some signs of life recently. Honestyl, I am also quite concerned about NEVS competence and so far I am not really satisfied with their track record but considering money is coming in from China and competent staff make their way back to Trollhättan the starting point to reanimate Saab has been better than during th ultrafrustrating 2011-14 period. I WANT TO DRIVE SAAB! I do not own any Saab. When Saab was ailive and kicking I was a poor student not able to afford a Saab, then I was working abroad in a country… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 25 days ago

Mick as saab brand name yes, as a real saab for me already when your GM entered the stage.

roger
Member
7 months 23 days ago

What about the american interlopers that ruined the company in the first place or the dutch interlopers that made it go bankrupt…?

Why do you people hate chinese people so much?

Joe
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7 months 19 days ago

Roger; The “American interlopers” as you call them kept them on life-support far longer than their natural life. Now the Dutch interloper is another story…

robban
Member
7 months 18 days ago

Yes this is good, I wish them all the best and hope they can get a good start and hire alot of people from Vänersborg/Trollhättan. SAAB died a few days before Christmas 2011. I’m all for twostrokes and the oldies so to me it’s totally fine. Let it go with dignity instead of these fudge up, half assed rescue attempts.

Joe
Guest
7 months 25 days ago

Great news, and as it should be!

RS MOTORSPORT
Member
7 months 26 days ago
Today it is true black day. Not today, but all days from 2010… Or 2011. I think swedish politics and goverment are stupid. They had to put money in SAAB cars… They sold Saab cars company to Chinese people and now say no more possible to use Saab name… Yes, it is army company, Gripens, submarines… But when they sold they had to say no more possible to name all future cars SAAB…. And now goverment pay a lot of money, I´m sure x-times more than save SAAB and employment to escapers from Syria, Maroco and others…
lucaSAAB
Member
7 months 26 days ago

Well said,
i try every single day to find a reason for what happened in the 19th december 2011….
I don’t know if it was the maximum expression of stupidity or the arrogance against all of us..
Anyway 3200 employed and others 4000 people at home..and the unique REAL sweden brand thrown into the junk…
I still don’t understand…..

RS MOTORSPORT
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Not possible to understand. In Sweden WAS very good brands… SAAB, Volvo, Husqvarna, Scania and others. All are sold… Not possible to understand this bussines steps… But Chinese Volvo shows the way…

cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 25 days ago

YES geely with volvo and tata with land rover understand how to work with iconic brands. Why was tata not interested in saab?

FW
Member
7 months 25 days ago

coz they had been interested in Volvo and cannord afford to acquire and integrate a second manufacturer

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

I do, ceo FCA said that if the new models: alfa romeo and lancia will not sell it is over and out with them even ferrari where they already made some spin off. But that brand will stay as long as the Italians drinking coffee as a sacrament.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

It happens luca SAAB not only in Sweden. These carmakers just look at figures.And they even Change their eyebrows about the social impact. They play chess.

RS MOTORSPORT
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Many years ago I think 2009+- I heart in Trollhattan that Fiat buy… Itś a shame, Jeep is now much better…

FW
Member
7 months 25 days ago

everything would have been better than this. GM was the wrong partner, they failed, they sucked, they stank. 2011 was the wrong time to go bankrupt: Tata was busy with JLR, Mahindra with Ssangyong, Fiat with Chrysler, Geely with Volvo, the aftermath of the global financial crisis kept established Western OEM away. No BMW, no VW, no FIAT.
The drama of Saab is a sequence of wrong descisions and bad timing.

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 23 days ago

GM carried Saab for 15-plus years and pumped millions of dollars into them. GM was incompetent at promoting Saab, but without them, Saab would have been dead in the early 1990s.

FW
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7 months 21 days ago
15 years cash injection to be driven to bankruptcy? That only makes it worse and illustrates GM’s incompetence. Let’s recall: NEVS was a small start up when taking over Saab, GM was the worst…er world’s biggest OEM. It is a shame they could not keep Saab afloat despite all these loads of cash and expertise. First, they did not understand the Saab brand (as millions of car drivers around the globe did) and acted as juvenile as a 6 year old kid by building Opels disguised as Saabs. It was the early 1990s when GM took an very ambitious approach… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 18 days ago

This post should be saved on paper and memories of all saab drivers.

Angelo V.
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7 months 18 days ago
You’re right—-it showed how incompetent GM was. Also, my understanding is that Saab staff were a little unreasonable with regard to specking certain pieces of hardware that inflated the prices of the cars—-in other words, as ridiculous as it was that GM made Saabs into clones of other GM products, it was equally ridiculous that Saab engineers insisted on high cost pieces that didn’t really improve any aspect of the car’s performance or longevity. Tim said as much when he used to post here. But sure, I’m willing to put it on GM on how poorly they managed Saab and… Read more »
Nikolaos
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7 months 26 days ago

As an owner of a SAAB 9-5 XDW and long heritage with SAAB’s since 1960 .
Name SAAB should be kept for the originals, let SAAB cars been trapped inside our soul and heart and live there forever!
We don’t need a Pakistan, a China or a Turkish car to just have the name “SAAB”.
Dear “Saab AB” even though you left your child bleeding for long … let GM,SWAN, NEVS eating the flesh ,
At list Save ! the name of your only born child.

Hakan
Member
7 months 26 days ago

Trued, it might be as you write in the post. But what is actually new here? Havn’t the message from SAAB AB been the same, whenever they told something public about this? Until they have an agreement about the brand name, SAAB AB can’t say anything different, as I see it. If it is true, that NEVS will not have the right to the brand name, I think it is sad. I still see that NEVS have the potential to develope saabcars, as they still have the facilities and know how, and perhaps even the trolls within their organization.

cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 25 days ago

Hakan fully agreed. Trued seems happy. But that phone call with saab ab spokes means nothing.Brand names are in the cloud. IT will be very bad for the saab classic market if saab cars are no longer made.

cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 25 days ago

The First austin Mini is standing in the assy plant in netherlands where the present are made, brand owner bmw. So it is not a bad idea that nevs put a classic ev there. There are two dutch engineers working at nevs. But plans are secret manner.

TonymacUK
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7 months 25 days ago

Don`t know where you got that info, Monique, but Minis are made at Cowley, Oxford, UK. The first Mini is at Motor Museum at Gaydon, Warwickshire, UK. Some limitged models are, I believe, assembled in Austria by Steyr Puch from KD kits.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

yes but also by VDL nedcar in born Nl. as from 6/2014 and the cabrio from 11/2015.Their first mini is from 1959 the first mini produced in the netherlands by molenaar.NEDcar does not use KD units.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

To be precise:Its contract production same as magna steyr in graz where also the saab 93 convertible was assembled.;)

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

😉

Jonathan
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7 months 24 days ago
This man speaks the truth. Saab AB and Nevs had an agreement regarding the Saab trademark. This agreement was cancelled due to (or somehow in relation to) the reconstruction of Nevs. There are currently no active discussions between Saab AB and Nevs regarding the trademark. End of story. We already know this. Here’s some food for thought; why would Nevs even use the Saab trademark now? They’ve sold cars to Turkey (that will have some turkish name/trademark) and they’ve sold cars to China (where the Saab trademark is less known and a new trademark is being developed). Nevs are bringing… Read more »
AEROOTTAWA
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Exactly right.

Hakan
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Yes, that’s reasonable. it’s probably true right now. But, my point is that I don’t see anything new in this recent message from the SAAB AB spoke person. And, I can’t see that it exclude NEVS for ever to make use the trademark again. Yes, your opinion is relevant. Why put so much effort with the brand name for the old 9-3, when a new line up is in the pipe?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

Jonathan,you miss the boat here.Saab trade mark is less known as read many times before is bullshit. ANY company in china are aware of our brands. And the most they like with the real name on it if not they will copy.They now saab very well. BAIC paid 200 MUSD for old tech of the 9-5 and 9-3.They are very aware if there are saab gens in the car. And nevs will do it even with trademark on it. WHy not?

Paul Willis
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7 months 26 days ago

It’s about damn time SAAB AB yanked the plug on the brand name!

I had been out of the loop for a bit as I had surgery, so I am now looking at previous articles. I don’t understand the one about the old electric van. What is up with that? They plan to produce an electric van in their home country of Swe–um, er, China, but surely that has nothing to do with having purchased this old Saab e-van prototype. What gives?

AEROOTTAWA
Member
7 months 26 days ago

I agree with Mailr on this. We’ve known for some time that NEVS can’t use the SAAB name and that there are no talks currently ongoing with SAAB AB. The latest statement from Mr. Carlsson doesn’t change anything unless you interpret to mean that there will never be further discussions on the use of the SAAB name. This discussion will only happen if and when NEVS is ready to produce cars in Trollhatten for the Swedish market – which is at least a couple of years away.

scmit02
Member
7 months 26 days ago

So SAAB as a future car brand is dead…shocking (not really). For future names, if they are based on the heritage of SAAB, why not use Phoenix? NEVS future product line is based on it, it meant something to the SAAB team of old, and if they really do bring back production, they would be rising from the ashes. Heck with some minor updates and tweaking to get around trademarks, copyrights,etc. the logos could even be similar.

DrakonSSon
Member
7 months 25 days ago

+1 for Phoenix
I am moderator in SAAB-BG.ORG
When we talked about the new name of Saab(NEVS) I have always said Phoenix is the best name
Aero is not patented, so it can be used for the best models
If they are cunning NEVS
they will continue to design and all symbols of Saab

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

DrakonSSon can you show me the full architecture of the phoenix platform. And why it is still up to date ? I am sure SAAB-BG-ORG will share. Such as patent nbrs description of the patents and patent owners. Also the rights given to parties who may built on this platform. In PDf. Thank you.

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 26 days ago
Gosh darn it, why didn’t I think of this before! With the recent announcement that NEVS has signed a deal to supply vehicles to Volinco, which is another government entity, we should have lobbied for the Swedish government to ink a deal with the old Saab to provide vehicles for its employees. Or any one of a number of our gigantic US governmental entities could have done the same. I think senior Department of Energy or Postal employees deserve a nice E-Saab! This shows what a different world it is in China–their governmental entities are basically directly funding the purchase… Read more »
Michael Specht
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7 months 26 days ago

No surprise, it was so since the beginning of the end.

Carlo A
Member
7 months 25 days ago

You are reading too much into a “plain” spokesperson statement …

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Right Carlo.

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 25 days ago

who is reading too much into the statement? My comments are based on a number of articles in the press, not just those posted in SU.

And, Angelo, where are your comments? 🙂

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 21 days ago

Well, I’ve been commenting. Regarding your comment—-sure, it’s a case of who you know sometimes. In the case of NEVS, it’s never “What” they know, because apparently when it comes to designing and manufacturing cars, they know less than my 15 year old cat or the tropical fish he watches. But apparently KJJ is at least somewhat set up with the “Who” he knows from time to time, to keep this little money exchange brewing.

John
Member
7 months 25 days ago

I thought we already knew this? That yellow 9-3 is gorgeous!

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

YES john 9-3 viggen in monte carlo yellow. The fasted saab ever made. I had one fitted with a uk viggen rescue kit to stiffen the fwd train. It should have been a awd instead of TCS. The pull of that mitsubishi turbo was breathtaking.

cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 25 days ago

To comment further about the viggen,myself looked more happy with this car than with the present. it was assembled by valmet in finland who still assemble cars . It had the 2.3 B235R engine made by saab.It was standing on a gm platform.SHIT.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

And a lot of viggen cars crashed. Same as the viggen fighter jets. From these pictures you can see a lot of details of your car. Or look at pictures from the Junk yards.

John
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Ahhh, yellow is faster – knew it!

SteveW
Member
7 months 25 days ago

I will always be a Saaber but it’s too early to say I’ll never be a NEVer. As long as the engineering Trolls are involved something good could happen whatever it ends up being called.

As for EVs IHMO I think some amazing improvements in battery capacity and charging methods will happen in the next few years that will banish range anxiety for the majority.

Hakan
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Completely agree! and still hope for saab branded cars.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Me too Steve but there are also some dutch engineers working, sometimes they whisper in my ears. Be careful by saying trolls it is not the same as: I love you.

SteveW
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Monique you cannot be as old as me. Back in the early 80s I had a sticker on my 99 which read “made in Trollhattan by Trolls” 🙂

JerseySaab
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Those stickers have been reproduced. I have them on my C900 and two 9000s. 🙂

metalhead
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Any idea where can I get some?

SteveW
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Just took a look at the Saab Museum online shop and they have reproductions now SEK 50 each plus postage. I think I will get one for my 9-5 🙂

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Steve W I liked the word too. But during my visits in sweden i found out that they do not like it. No wonder wikipedia has more than 10 chapters about it, still going on .It goes from supernatural to idiots.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

And where these stickers on the car when they left the factory?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Were these the first emo stickers? 🙂

SteveW
Member
7 months 24 days ago

No, I bought mine on a visit to Sweden way back when.

saabyurk
Member
7 months 25 days ago
Just food for thought: I don’t know Swedish law but I do know a little about U.S. trademark law. Under U.S. law, you cannot keep a trademark unless you are using the name in commerce. And, you cannot prevent others from using the trademark name for other products as long as there is no confusion with your own products. Saab AB does not produce overland vehicles in the USA and they have no legally justifiable defense for keeping the Saab name as a vehicle trademark. In fact, I searched the USPTO trademark website and found that their SAAB wordmark for… Read more »
hughw
Member
7 months 25 days ago

sure….why not? they’ve ripped everyone else off…they might as will rip off SAAB AB. And why would anyone in the West want to buy a car from a Chinese company posing as a western company with an essentially stolen name and symbol…..Oh wait…isn’t that pretty standard behavior for Chinese companies? paste following into your browser:
inventorspot.com/articles/coffee_copies_top_7_chinese_starbucks_ripoffs

metalhead
Member
7 months 24 days ago

How have they ripped anyone off when they have yet to sell anything? Don’t understand your negativity. This news isn’t new, and it is merely stating they aren’t allowed to sell with the name Saab. Doesn’t mean that in future it isn’t possible.

Furthermore, its way too early to judge their products. I’ll wait and see if the products deserve the name Saab before jumping into conclusions now

hughw
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Yes….they’ve ripped people off…they ripped off suppliers who weren’t paid on timo e, and then some took a bath under the reorganization agreement….they ripped off employees who weren’t paid on time….they ripped off the Swedish people who had to step in and pay employees under Swedish law….they’ve ripped off workers and business people at dealerships and suppliers all over the world through their inability to bring a new Saab to market in a timely way, and they’ve ripped off the automotive public and the Saab faithful by sullying a once proud brand and putting it’s future in doubt.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

They were also ripped off by money by their partner. This also can happen with your partner.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 23 days ago

No, Hugh is right. Whether by utter incompetence or disdain for doing business in an honorable way, these jerks did rip people off—-they’ve been doing it since they were awarded the carcass.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

BINGO

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

hughw acc some info according the ip displacement contract : saab scania-Gm-spyker-nevs the trade mark including the griffin is theirs. despite the change of ownership.All chinese study now Managing The ip disassembly problem.

cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 25 days ago

Acc some specialists in california saab ab is awaiting lawsuits.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Just the bankrupt is in between the 51 page pdf does not mention but you read all about saab and volvo changing ownership ,trade marks and ip both were truck and car makers and it was a hell of a job to split the ip from trucks and cars.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

yes bankrupt will terminate it together with the CCCs. All depends what the rights are now and who has the force to stop it if nevs still uses it as a divested owner.

saabyurk
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Monique, you seem to be extremely well informed regarding Saab/NEVS (I mean this seriously, not joking). Do you have inside sources?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Your last post about the trade mark was a nice one. OF course you can wear a t-shirt with aston martin on it but not if there is an interest of conflict. I have to protect my info in the same way.

saabyurk
Member
7 months 24 days ago

“Your last post about the trade mark was a nice one” — unlike my negative posts about hydrogen fuel cells I assume. 🙂
I have to admit I made one omission when I described the hydrogen balloon experiment in my high school days. But I think I can be forgiven for that after 55 years. I forgot that we were instructed to wait until the balloons were in the vicinity of the fluorescent lights before popping them. But still, it didn’t take much to ignite, no spark.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

I liked this experiment and have given it to air liquide and air products hydrogen producers. And fuel station builders. Reply: Impossible W/o test data known. Yes leakage with all that electricity is a concern same as your 1800bar diesel injectors start to leak.

saabyurk
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Yes, my 1974 backhoe nearly put a hole in my hand when a hydraulic line developed a pin hole, I think at 2500 psi. Only a thin actuating rod saved my hand. The nearly invisible stream blasted into a big fog when it hit the rod, unbelievable.
Early fluorescent ballasts were electromagnetic beasts compared to today’s electronic ballasts. The GE Ultra Max ballasts in my barn are potted and safe for use in hospital operating rooms where oxygen can be present.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

You are on the right track and the moment i saw your comment post that you recognised the importance of flammable gas weight in relation to air i was lucky. All E equipment in defined zones have EX protection also H2 Cars.o

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

you got it with potted ballasts. also called Ex d . to keep it nice i remembered also a high school test. A glass tube at zero pressure; in that tube all material falls at the same speed irrespective of weight . Not at atm pressure. how come? Ref: galileo galilei. next one but not today if you buy 15 oranges on the market of same weight each except one. how you find out by weigh them again in shortest way to find out the exception.

sonett71
Member
7 months 25 days ago

The brand name shouldn’t be a big deal. Anyway I still hopes Nevs will get the Saab name back (sooner or later).

roger
Member
7 months 25 days ago

“We have revoked their right to use the brand name and there is no longer a discussion about NEVS using it”
Literally that sentence could mean that Saab AB doesn’t care that NEVS use the name.

We have to wait and see. I don’t think this is over yet.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Nice said Roger.

sonett71
Member
7 months 25 days ago

Yes, very nice! Another brand name for the cars sold in China isn’t a problem at all. Most important is the business, sell a lot of cars (150.000 – 200.000) the next four years, and then we will see the next step with cars for the worldwide market. Like Roger said, “I don’t think this is over yet”!

3cyl
Member
7 months 24 days ago

If that is the plan, I wonder where the money will come from to develop cars for the worldwide market. The sale of 200,000 cars over four years won’t generate sufficient net cash flow to do it.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 21 days ago

They’ll be lucky to break even if they only sell 200,000 cars. That sounds like a massive money loser in any other market—-maybe there, the government will pay KJJ off for something else—-keep the charade alive for a few years and fleece some more suppliers?

bpsorrel
Member
7 months 24 days ago

“We have revoked their right to use the brand name and there is no longer a discussion about NEVS using it”
Literally that sentence could mean that Saab AB doesn’t care that NEVS use the name.”

I disagree. I think Saab AB statement is not ambiguous at all – it simply means no use of the Saab name now or at any time in the future. We don’t wish to revisit this issue, period.

NEVS are never going to build “Saabs”. We need to get used to that idea and move on.

Romac
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7 months 23 days ago
“We have revoked their right to use the brand name and there is no longer a discussion about NEVS using it” I think that statement is unequivocal. It states the current continuing situation as of now. It doesn’t say “never again”. As for comments about SAAB *not* being able to legally protect their brand name from being used by any other party to brand motor vehicles – are you guys serious? Of course they can and would. They need to protect SAAB AB from being associated with failure and false representation. There are many offshoots from the original SAAB that… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 18 days ago

Romac failure and false reputation is your opinion supported by many at su. But nevs is still on daily business hours working. And get paid.

cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 25 days ago

For all saab lovers: If you want to know all what happens when saab and volvo were sold read this: pdf managing the ip disassembly problem. some highlights: The trade mark and the griffin was given for ever. Both brands where involving giant us automotive brands and chinese investors.

zippy
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7 months 24 days ago

NEVS always was a joke. Saab died back in Dec 2011.

saabdog
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Winner, winner, chicken dinner, Zippy!

WD78
Member
7 months 24 days ago

I took a quick look at which brands NEVS own. For example, they own the SONETT name in Sweden and Loong as an international brand.

saaburban
Member
7 months 24 days ago
NEVS is still Saab! Why u might ask, when the products no longer can be badged with the SAAB abreviation. – Companies are made up of people with knowledge and skills. The new and latest Volvo Ad running on the web states: made by Sweden / made by us, with images of the very people that build and develop volvos, a very diverse range of people with backgrounds from all over the world. NEVS is Saab, because the people and skills that work at saab are the continues link of knowhow that goes back to the very Ursaab. The very… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 24 days ago

YES saaburban and forget the busloads full of lawyers flying in to arlanda to tell saab what to do with their fucking shit of contract papers, shit produced by giant carmakers and investors themselves. At just a distance of 100 km the same happened with volvo. Lets hope these plants will keep intact.If not keep your good memories.And do not run into a situation like MG and HEALEY where the name is used for guinea pig cars. In that case SAAB AB is right. BUT that’s not the present situation.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

And remember SAAB drivers have the highest level of psychological involvement with their cars.

sonett71
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7 months 23 days ago
This post by saaburban told exactly what I mean. Nevs don’t come from everywhere. They really care about the iconic products from Trollhattan, from when the factory first produced cars back in december 1949, and up to date. Fore sure they will produce cars in the Trollhattan 2019, with the brand name Saab, Phoenix, or another great name. Most important is the products and the design. Then I of course hope for a very good name. I think Saab AB maybe will go for Phoenix-Saab, and my dream car should be the top of the products – a “Phoenix-Saab Sonett… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 23 days ago

And what they did with the iconic rover car logo the most beautiful logo i have seen the one with the viking ship on it do you remember?

saabyurk
Member
7 months 24 days ago

+++

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

++++++

Simon Licence
Member
7 months 17 days ago

There’s certainly much more of a link between NEVS cars (whatever branding they use) and SAAB than there is between current Audi (post ’69 re-badged VWs and cars engineered by the NSU design team) and original Audis from 1910 to 1939. Yet VW still promote them as being one continuous historic line (especially when celebrating the ‘100th’ anniversary in 2010!

saaburban
Member
7 months 24 days ago

The Sonetts have lots of interesting design clues, in everyhing from grills, headlights, silhouettes window and door design. The sonett I, II & III where based on Saab architecture, but designed differently. The models lived parallell lives with the Classic models of the 50s, 60s and 70s Saabs. Sixten Sason and italian designers shaped everything from convertibles to coupe’s, some in lightweight materials.

sonett71
Member
7 months 23 days ago

+++++ True classic 🙂

Bradley Tallent
Guest
7 months 24 days ago

i think Saab would be good for hyundai, think about it, they would have a luxury car division. the problem is would nevs resell the assets to a reputable car company like the trollhattan factory?

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 24 days ago
I am afraid folks here are being way, way too optimistic about the future of Saab. The statement that SAAB AB is not allowing NEVS to use the Saab brand and is not discussing it further does not mean that they don’t care if NEVS uses it. That is really stretching things too far. Also, I think NEVS’ use of the 9-3 architecture to make E-cars for China is a stopgap measure till they can devise their own models and make them completely in China. I hope I am wrong, but even one of the new Volvo models is now… Read more »
zippy
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Volvo build a model for the Chinese market. I dont think we in the West get Chinese build Ovlovs.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

yes you will get them and you can see it only by the vin that it is made in china .

Paul Willis
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7 months 24 days ago
Yes, the S60 Inscription model, the long-wheelbase version of the S60, is made in China and sold right now in the US. I am not saying anything is wrong with that, I am just saying that this is part of the deal with Chinese owners. Could NEVS make a real Saab, one that anyone who loves Saabs would care about? Maybe, but it won’t be called a Saab and I doubt it will resonate with the true Saab faithful. It might be an ok vehicle, but it’s just hard to see that it could really be a “Saab.” I am… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 23 days ago

yes paul acc their ceo inspite the doubts about chinese QA and seeing the pictures it is real volvo.The main shareholder of geely holding group is a multimillionaire. Why the fuck he was not interested in saab.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 24 days ago

I go for what metalhead said above. No customer ask where a car is made. About the landwind x7 a real copy of the real land rover Evoque built in china for one third of the price ceo ralf speth said: there is no copyright in china. they copy-and paste there are no laws there is nothing to protect us so we have to take it as it is.

Hakan
Member
7 months 24 days ago

Yes, Monty Python is funny. I also recall the parrot joke when I see this discussion. But I suppose it takes a lot more skills than what John Cleese showed, to convince all of us on this site. I am still eager to see what NEVS can accomplish, and I am not waiting for the parrot but for another bird – a phoenix.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

Me too i’m just digging out the structure to find out they still working on it .

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

parrots have as a bird a very high life expectancy.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 22 days ago

They often outlive their owners when they are kept as pets.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

It should be under the recall heading by trued about the saab air bags but there it is very quiet so i post it here. I have a recall about my fiat campervan just 8 months old. Problem: Due to weak contacts in the ignition/start switch it is possible that during driving it can go to out of run position effecting E- systems such as engine stop,airbags,abs,steering and brakes. I think you will agree to get it fixed ASAP.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 23 days ago

For us Rv drivers on this site fca fiat in us is trade marked as ram promaster check out if they have the same switches. another thing came up by uk drivers that they can not read the tacho during daylight. They have update that when you switch on you have backlight. I have no problem but it could be just the rhd cars you know the ones with the steering wheel on the wrong side.:-)

saabyurk
Member
7 months 23 days ago

A New Brand for NEVS
I’m don’t know Swedish but how about this: Svenska Avancerad Ackumulator Bil
which means Swedish Advanced Battery Automobile in English.

My proposed logo using the URW Chancery L font of my Linux system can be found here (replace _dot_ with .): goo_dot_gl/photos/uihpaYN6tc7SzA5w6

And don’t tell me SAAB AB owns the name. Millions of people with the Arabic surname Saab would disagree. One site says Saab comes from a word meaning “morning”, as in morning of a new day for Saab. And, my proposed source words for the acronym avoid confusion with SAAB AB.

Okay, just dreaming. 🙁

Chris Hansel
Member
7 months 22 days ago
Saab AB is making a mistake. It looks as if NEVS, for better or worse, is about to produce a lot of cars, for China this is sure. But they have the backing of the Chinese central government, anyone who thinks otherwise believes in fair tales. So why is Saab AB making a mistake? It came to me last night as I was subjected to a Boeing commercial on TV. Do you think everyone watching is going down to the Boeing factory and order a new 737? Of course not, Boeing feels it is necessary to put their name out… Read more »
Romac
Member
7 months 22 days ago

Yeah, but if Boeing’s brand name was being associated with failure* etc, like SAAB is, you would understand why Boeing would want to disassociate itself and remove the right to sully their brand name? I would!

*long story which we all know, but I was just trying to find a word that made the point rather than criticizing NEVS directly.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 22 days ago

What’s wrong with criticizing NEVS directly? Sometimes the truth hurts.

Romac
Member
7 months 22 days ago

True, but I didn’t want to distract from my point 😉

saabdog
Member
7 months 22 days ago
I don’t understand why some people insist that nevs must use the brand name “Saab”, no matter the cost or consequences. Nevs = FAILURE. Why subject the Saab brand to this albatross of a company. Saab AB has NOTHING to gain by being a part of Nevs. Also, there is NO guarantee that nevs is “about to produce a lot of cars, for China” or any other market for that matter. Nevs has NO track record and they’ve had several years now to prove that they can produce cars, but they have NOT produced any relevant automobiles to date. Saab… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 22 days ago

So where are we now: Saab is a reg trademark by the laws of sweden. The Mythical Beast Half-lion half eagle called GRiffen too The first owned by saab ab the second by scania-saab ab.Nevs is out but may come in to join the club again.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 22 days ago

In some form as Affiliate (commerce) or as a retailer of the brand What’s in a name said Shakespeare.Or they sell it again as before others did as a very hot potato.

3cyl
Member
7 months 22 days ago

It has been hammered home to SAAB AB that the risks associated with a car company sharing their identity far outweigh any potential benefits. SAAB AB management has undoubtedly gotten this message, but if they haven’t their shareholders will make sure that that they do.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 22 days ago

Well, I translate your comment to mean “No more Saab branded cars, ever—-unless Saab AB gets into the car business themselves.” And that just might be correct.

3cyl
Member
7 months 22 days ago
Angelo, I’ll add that Saab AB won’t be getting into the car business. They were in the car business and got out of it. As for licensing, the exposure is too great. Saab AB can’t anticipate the ways It might affect them. For instance if VW had bought SAAB in 2011, SAAB AB would likely have licensed the SAAB name to them. VW would probably have adopted its diesel engines to SAABs. When the diesel scandal hit, SAAB AB would have been unfairly associated with it just as they were with the bankruptcies of the builders of SAAB cars. Competitors… Read more »
Angelo V.
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7 months 21 days ago
Yep. This is why your comment was correct. One scenario is extremely unlikely and the other is highly unlikely for the foreseeable future. We’re done seeing factory fresh Saab cars. Enjoy what you have. If you like to tinker, buy a used one because they’re going to be given away soon enough as resale continues to plummet. I will drive my low mileage 2004 if or until I am faced with a repair bill that is so outrageous, it makes no sense to keep the car. It’s not a good time to be a Saab car lover—-unless you are good… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 21 days ago

Yes saabs are now exchangeable or transferable for whatever money.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 21 days ago

3cyl: As far as i now saab cars had a back up by the royal family of sweden. They support nevs right now and most swed people the same. They say it now called nevs but saab cars will never die. As was all the time before despite the owners. You can never beat nostalgia. You wanna bet?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 21 days ago

It gives them just free money free exposure. They fly with jets running on JP4 fuel. Nevs have sustainable future cars. It is good for their image. But if saab cars are still will be made in sweden is wishful thinking. Thats economy. We are living in a global market.

3cyl
Member
7 months 21 days ago

Well Monique, we agree on one thing; it gives them exposure. Just not the same kind.

saabyurk
Member
7 months 21 days ago

Yes, sharing a brand name can be risky. Just yesterday I read that Volvo was adjusting to reduced demand/sales in the USA and I thought “Da*n, I thought they just started doing well with the new XC90.” Then, after reading a little, I realized it was Volvo trucks.
So, I’ve changed my mind. NEVS should forget pursuit of the Saab brand name and find a good new one. After all, If Saab AB’s reputation/finances falter, we wouldn’t want their bad name to affect NEVS would we? 🙂 What if they’re found guilty of bribery in Brazil?

3cyl
Member
7 months 21 days ago

Isn’t Brazil one of those places where bribery and being guilty of bribery are two different things?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 20 days ago

The more south you go the worse. They dance the Samba at copacabana beach in Rio. Cars are not really their thing.The last Vw van from the sixties just leaved assy plant. If you lay in bed with a broken leg a brazilian girl will cheer you up:-)

3cyl
Member
7 months 18 days ago

Having to break a leg for a bit of cheering up must be a cultural thing.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 20 days ago

As far as i see Saab ab has no ties with volvo. Only they share the griffin with scania trucks which is vw group Nevs is heading for 93 project 3 bev and maybe fcv.About the phoenix i still working on to get out if they still invest money on this platform . In the truck world bribery is common practice same as in the building construction they work in a different way as a normal company and avoid taxes. you pay they not.

Joe
Guest
7 months 19 days ago

I wonder if the “real” SAAB wants some of my 2 stroke oil?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 19 days ago

Me too Joe, But they are very busy with ordering sheet metal and paint to start with the production of 170000 of body in white cars and paint cars. The 93 w/o the logo to be assembled in china in a plant ready by 2020. With nevs bev tech and some fcev tech from honda by Thomas brachmann powertrain honda r&d europe.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 19 days ago

And how is situation of the phoenix platform which was 60 percent ready the time nevs bought it. The 12 modules were full of new saab tech. Modular,hiper strut which even could replace the famous Mcpherson.Zf axle tech .new advanced awd drive with electric rear drive.New seat structure etc etc.?

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 19 days ago
Well, NEVS isn’t very good with talking. In fact, they aren’t very good at anything save for hanging on and not going anywhere—-sort of like old luggage or the herpes virus. Anyway, we don’t know the disposition of the Phoenix project/Phoenix platform because the have no outreach to the media or to consumers who would be interested in knowing. They’re duds when it comes to all things business related. They’re duds when it comes to everything. I would venture a guess that they’ve done nothing with anything since they were gifted the carcass. They built a couple hundred 9-3s I… Read more »
lucaSAAB
Member
7 months 19 days ago

Angelo, you are too cool!!

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 17 days ago
They find some new 20 pcs corollas in diff versions back in a garage blocked in the small corridor between cyprus and greece. Amazing to see which was intact and what not. my secretary had a corolla. Amazing long lasting car full of memories same as saab. Yes angelo i fully understand the kids. same as i did with the chevy of my brother he bought it and the next day the engine block was cracked by freezing because spiritus instead proper antifreeze he just buy it on a fair .Then he bought a opel kapitan. In both cars cars… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 17 days ago

That 1989 corolla was the best car ever made.

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 19 days ago
Angelo, I agree with your earlier post that us Saab faithful will have to make do with whatever Saabs we have. Hey, yours is 12 years old– but mine is 25 years old! and it make nearly as many groaning/squeaking/clunking-type noises getting its work done as I do 🙂 I guess the good news is that used Saabs are getting to be pretty good deals. I looked quickly at convertibles in our US cars.com site to see what $10K (dollars, not pounds or euros) would get me. How about a 2005 9-3 Convt. with 44k miles! Or a 2006 9-3… Read more »
Angelo V.
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7 months 19 days ago

I don’t do my own work—-I wish I was smart enough and mechanically inclined enough to do real work on cars, but I’m not. So for me at least, the viability of keeping my ’04 9-5 will depend on availability of parts and someone near me who knows how to work on a Saab, with the proper diagnostic equipment. Right now, my old dealer relocated to a smaller location, but they still sell used cars and service Saabs and other makes. So I’m set for now at least.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 18 days ago

All GM saabs except the convertible have no value anymore.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 18 days ago

I mean all saabs which have the night panel switch .

saabdog
Member
7 months 17 days ago

I LOVE the night panel switch!

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 17 days ago
I never used the night shift . Because it goes in a sleeping mode. Unless you were tuned to a nice radio station.But if you like it keep it. Because new branded saabs is a balloon. At the moment i go for angelo style:Are they capable to start up THT plant? not to confuse with their THT chinese shareholder. I think sweden is used to support Tianjin factory with manufacturing, planning,workers training and product supply in the initial stage. I doubt even the white painted bodies will be made. If they have already the sheet metal in house the same… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
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7 months 17 days ago

And managed via hong kong.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 17 days ago

Be cause all soft tops of the 900 and 93 were made in finland by valmet.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 17 days ago

Me too angelo a good car mechanic is every thing, they fully open your dash in 5 min change your airbag and charge you the time set for it. For a gearbox the time set is always too low. Nevertheless however i understand what’s going on.

100%Saab
Member
7 months 17 days ago

Both of my 9-3s have been recalled for the driver’s side airbag. Recall check now available on GM site,

https://my.gm.com/recalls?evar18=GMcom#/

StefanH STHLM
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7 months 17 days ago
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