The Brand question seems to still be alive

I know we have said that the brand name question is over. Well it wasn’t me, and I still repeat my sentence.

Show me a picture of the factory without the SAAB wording and I will stop talking about it.

New Saab picture, Sweden-style!
Still a SAAB factory?

I have lately seen two thing on the net that let me keep the hope. On the one side one NEVS Exec has answered to a question about the brand on a social network

Exciting news in that topic will come…

If the brand question was so clear you should expect no news about it as there is nothing to talk about.

On the other side the Chassis group at NEVS is searching for a Lead Engineer for Suspension Front. The job description you can find this sentence

… You will also have a leading role create “next generation suspension technology” with “Saab DNA” for next Generation Electric Vehicle. …

Why should they want to put “SAAB DNA” into their next gen cars if those cars won’t be allowed to use the SAAB brand. well they could the same strategy as Prince and call themselves “the car formerly known as SAAB”, but I don’t think so.

BTW, the manager Chassis at NEVS started at SAAB in the 1980’s so he should know what a chassis with SAAB DNA looks like.

I think that we will have to wait a little bit longer till know for sure, so for now the fighters have taken off with the SAAB brand name, but I think they are already preparing the runway for them to come back.

Bradley Tallent
Guest
7 months 8 days ago

I hope they don’t let those incompetent fools use the Saab name.

Niels-Søren Bøgh
Guest
7 months 8 days ago

As lang as they do not let incompetent fools drive the cars then it is OK with me 😉

roger
Member
7 months 8 days ago
Incompetent? What do You know about that? Many of the employees at NEVS are former Saab Automobile employees. Are they suddenly incompetent now when working for NEVS? Seriously! What the F-K do you, Angelo, Mick E and a few more care about Saab AB and their fighter jets and submarines? Do you plan to buy anything from them? Can’t you be glad about all the jobs NEVS create and the possibility for new Saab Cars to hit the market? Do You want Saab Cars to be dead?! Are you people disturbed in some odd way or what? If you don’t… Read more »
sonett71
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Roger +++++ 🙂

Niels-Søren Bøgh
Guest
7 months 7 days ago

Roger you are like a Saab!
– give the wheel smoke!

Roger +++++ 🙂 from me, too.

Joe
Guest
7 months 7 days ago

Incompetence knows no borders, language, or culture.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Yes Joe incompetence comes before the fall. And having no brains as Sonnet 71 suggested we have by the time we get to phoenix.

FW
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Thanks,

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

Jasper
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Thank you for your comments Roger. I hope the “editors” do not delete them as they are inclined to do as I know from personal experience.
Please continue to comment.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 1 day ago

Vulgarity is one reason for editors to delete posts.

FW
Member
7 months 7 days ago

If NEVS is that incompetent and nobody else around cares about Saab – maybe could I get the brand name? Me, personally, I know a lot about cars and the Saab brand heritage. I even managed to build a soapbox out of wood with some friends when I was in school.
With my expertise, Saab could regain its former strength – at least for some of the people around here, it would be a far better solution than NEVS. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

rune
Member
7 months 7 days ago

NEVS have not impressed anyone in the way they are running their business… …but is that really all that different from how Saab Automobile has been managed in the past?

To me, what counts are the products they will make available over the next decade or so.

kochje
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Rune, I am completely with you.

EJB986
Member
7 months 8 days ago

They won’t…..but they did let the incompetent fools who ran SAAB use it!!!!!

Ralph
Member
7 months 8 days ago

NEVS might be so convinced about themselves and their uniqueness that a name change could be exciting news to them… as a way to confirm it.

Mailr
Member
7 months 8 days ago

Yes, I agree that the statement really doesn’t confirm any use of the Saab name. In my eyes it may just as well be a spin about why a name change is good.

But I think it is more likely that he is talking about the new name to be used for the Chinese market, and it doesn’t have to do with the Saab name, at least not at this point in time.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 8 days ago
I have long been saying that Saab AB needs to sick their lawyers on NEVS and have this out. They need to separate NEVS from “SAAB” as completely as possible. What does that mean? I am not sure. I don’t know what their legal standing is, but they need to take care of this as quickly as possible. I am thinking that they should be able to force the name off the building somehow—-and a cease and desist from NEVS using the name in advertising or on their website. More difficult though, would be to separate NEVS from the history… Read more »
Hamish Keddie
Guest
7 months 6 days ago
That Saab AB does not seem to have made an attempt to remove the SAAB name from the factory etc. is interesting. I remember Tim posting here some time ago that the legal position as to who owned the SAAB name for cars was totally unclear. SAAB AB don’t want NEVS to use the name, but can they legally prevent them? I f Tim was right only a court case could answer that. So far neither side seems willing to test it in court. This has nothing to do with whether you think NEVS are competent or not, it is… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Hamish that has been covered by us already.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

And when Red j studied our posts about this, he reopened the brand name again. i can interpret the reactions on my posts to see if they make sense or not that’s all part of the game.

hans h
Member
7 months 8 days ago

I think an electric Saab is an interesting prospect.
Shouting “incompetent” at the people at NEVS just because they don’t tell us everything is just silly. And does nothing to change the situation.

sonett71
Member
7 months 8 days ago

I don’t think this people (who write it) is competent to read the news about the future cars and the car industry in general. Sad 🙁

Mick E. Bice
Member
7 months 8 days ago
There’s nothing “exciting” whatsoever about the prospect of NEVS getting back the rights to the SAAB name, on the contrary it would be a veritable tragedy. So if this is what’s about to happen, there’s no reason to get excited – anger would be a more appropriate response (except for the die-hard fanbois of the Chinese auto industry that frequent this site, of course, they won’t be able to contain their excitement and God knows what else). Now, what would be exciting would be to see NEVS and the China buddies exit the SAAB scene completely, and a serious automaker… Read more »
sonett71
Member
7 months 8 days ago

Another brand name for the cars sold in China isn’t a problem at all, and then we will see the next step with cars for the worldwide market. I don’t think this is over yet. There is still a chance to buy a Phoenix-Saab in the future. 🙂

saabyurk
Member
7 months 8 days ago

So, a rebadged VW would be exciting, but we should be angry about a car designed and built from the ground up by Swedes in trollhättan using Saab DNA.
[sarcasm on]Makes a lot of sense to me! [sarcasm off]

Mick E. Bice
Member
7 months 8 days ago

What car designed and built from the ground up by Swedes in Trollhattan using Saab DNA? Don’t tell me you’re still clinging to the NEVS pipe dream even after all this time? The day you wake up from that dream, you’ll end up angry too.

Avelik
Member
7 months 8 days ago

Can you enlighten us what makes it a pipe dream?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 8 days ago

What they have as projects in the pipeline. it could be moderated by red J because from this moment on i may only speak about myself.

rune
Member
7 months 7 days ago
VW? Aren’t those the ones who were just caught red-handed cheating on their emissions testing? I agree. Had Saab followed the same strategy, they would have earned more money. To Saab, the emissions requirements of NA meant that they could not export their diesels there (so, no 9-4x diesel and no XWD 9-3X diesel to mention two disappointments Saab customers endured). To VW, the requirements were simply numbers on a piece of paper to be ignored with glee. Now one of those companies went under while the other prospered. (and which boss of a French car company was quoted as… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
7 months 1 day ago

Cheating on emissions testing? At least that means they’re making and selling cars—-about 1000 steps ahead of NEVS.

Niels-Søren Bøgh
Guest
7 months 8 days ago

If I was Saab AB then I will yes when NEVS have has shown what they can do. But, only If the car is build 90% in Trollhattan, then it can be called a Saab. China build cars can be a Caab, only.

SVAB
Member
7 months 7 days ago
People need to get over the notion that the SAAB (whether it be SAAB cars or AB) badge is too precious to put on cars built in china for the Chinese market. Every, I mean every, other auto maker has no hesitation doing so. I think if Audi/VW, BMW, Ford, GM and MB can get over it, even SAAB AB can as well. Hell, VW is making VWs for the US market in Mexico! Especially, given that each of those company’s brand is much stronger then even SAAB AB and each of their annual profit exceeds SAAB AB’s annual revenue.… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
7 months 7 days ago
1) Saab AB isn’t in the car business, so they don’t have to “get over” anything related to the goofs at NEVS. 2) I honestly don’t have any problem at all with the Chinese owning the name or having permission to use it—-like they do with Volvo. Geely is doing a spectacular job with Volvo. But where we part ways, at least for me—-is that if they have no immediate, short to mid term goals to bring this product back to Saab’s traditional markets, including the U.S. and Canada, among others—-and if they won’t go to England and have only… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 8 days ago

No comment on the brand subject. moderators will block it as my post about cypres, I will not be part of such a site.

sonett71
Member
7 months 8 days ago

There is always a line, and the way you and some others has talked about Nevs on a Saab-forum is not acceptable. I should also have deleted your comment about cypres if I had been a moderator.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

I always try to walk the line, But if you take the privilege to attack me personal in a close combat be sure you have enough ammunition and open a certain swed frontline i will nail you down.

Chris Hansel
Member
7 months 8 days ago
There has been way to much negatively here. I have pointed this out before. At the same time some of the most negative people are some of the most committed and knowledgeable people. I think you must take the good and the bad. Also we have to remember there have been hundreds of “Sunday soldier” Saab fans who have disappeared from this site over the last 4 plus years. We need everyone’s passion, as long as it not profane. But understand this, if you are ever to see another Saab, it will almost certainly be turned out from the folks… Read more »
sonett71
Member
7 months 8 days ago

A car with the name Saab, Phoenix-Saab, or something like that must have something in common with the industri in Trollhattan. Not just to take over the name for another car maker. I don’t think all the people who works in Trollhattan and China right now, will move to Wolfsburg from one day to another!

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Yes by the time i get to phoenix. And if you moderate my posts i will look after your sonnet.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Great Glen Campbell performance.

sonett71
Member
7 months 6 days ago
I’m not a moderator and can’t moderate any post. 🙂 I’m a guest here like you. What do you think about the name Phoenix-Saab? For me it sounds great; one part old and one part new. Another brand name for the cars sold in China isn’t a problem at all, and then we will see the next step with cars for the worldwide market. Most important is the cars itself and the design. And for sure they will produce cars also in Trollhattan, not only in China. But to get money they need to produce cars and minivans as soon… Read more »
Romac
Member
7 months 6 days ago

…and shorten it to “PHAB” 😉

Chris Hansel
Member
7 months 5 days ago
Sounds great to me as well, if the cars are to be made in Trollhatan, or at least designed in Sweden. Which I think would be the only reason why NEVS would want to use the name Saab. I think the fear we see here from Saab loyalists is that NEVS will abandon Sweden at some point and still use the name Saab. But here is the thing, the Chinese like everybody else, like the prestige of a fine European car brand. They can sell a lot more cars in China if they are called Saabs, than if they call… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Nice post chris , To good and bad add the ugly , But a saab will never come out of nevs the bad and the ugly. The good is waiting to take over.

Androntrius
Member
7 months 8 days ago
For NEVS the Saab question is not an issue anymore and ask yourself, why would NEVS want to use a brand name that they can not control, the whole idea has no merit at all. SAAB AB is not interested in letting NEVS use the name and the only way NEVS could build a future with a brand name is if they own the rights to it, there is too much money involved for NEVS to risk having the name revoked again. It wasn’t only SAAB AB who learned a valuable lesson when NEVS fell into financial difficulties, so did… Read more »
saabyurk
Member
7 months 8 days ago

As much as I like the SAAB name, I must agree with you. I think it’s in NEVS best interest to use a new name. I just hope it’s a good one. However, it must be a difficult job to choose a name. It has to work in multiple languages, and all trademark/copyright issues must be researched. Can’t just pick a name out of a hat, no matter how cool.

Androntrius
Member
7 months 7 days ago

There is a very interesting white book that is given to all Lexus owners which is simply called “the book about lexus” which provides very interesting facts about the process of toyota coming up with the lexus name… its a very interesting read…

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Nice post Alphonse Lexus find his way as a stand away brand name from toyota. some liked the link and some not or even unaware that they were driven a mercedes toyota .

saabyurk
Member
7 months 7 days ago

I remember way back hearing on my car radio that Toyota was introducing a new luxury brand called Lexus. I laughed out loud and thought “Toyota? Luxury? That will fly like a lead balloon!” Shows what I know about such stuff. 🙁

3cyl
Member
7 months 8 days ago

Why would SAAB AB want to again assume the now well exposed risks associated with licensing the name? Any potential licensing income will have little impact on their overall revenues unless the per vehicle royalty is so substantial as to make the vehicles uncompetitive
in terms of price.

Steve B
Member
7 months 7 days ago

I know this may not be the place, but why isn’t there any discussion about the seat belt recall or the air bag recall?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Because nobody is interested steve. Who cares about the present saabs? They have no value anymore. The dealers have given up. Even some site owners don’t care. This is now a nevs site.The winner takes it all and the losers have to fall. Congratulation nevs by finding a new brand name and all succes w/o the brand name. Is this positive enough? or are the guns loaded again

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Steve let me know if orio ab and their partners can deal with this situation. And during the change let them check any outstanding issues on your saab. Succes.

JoPlSe
Member
7 months 7 days ago
Great to hear some positive thoughts for once. NEVS have received two massive orders lately. More and more old Saab employees return to NEVS. My boss at Volvo resigned lately to go back to NEVS to be the manager of the electrical architecture. When NEVS can show that they have great products and a solid business I hope SAAB AB will reconsider the brand name. My guess is that the first batch of cars sold in China will have a local name as presented earlier. When it is time to go back to the european market, I hope Saab will… Read more »
SteveW
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Wow that makes all our sideline whistling look lame, giving up a ‘safe’ job at Volvo and taking a risk with what is essentially a start up! That’s the ‘Go your own way’ spirit of Saab. I know I’m a bit of a NEVS doubter but with employees with that sort of balls who knows, they just might make this work!

JoPlSe
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Yes!

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Nice to hear SteveW that you know them personally.And that they have a good framework to get their ideas happen.Maybe it is now the right time to change to a new site name: Nevs united.

SteveW
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Huh? where did I say that?
I have however in a recent post commented that the site should be renamed nevsunited of revert to discussing Saabs.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 5 days ago

I would like oriounited because at this point, Orio is the most important entity in helping me maintain my Saab. NEVS hasn’t even blinked in my direction and Saab is dead. So Orio is where our loyalty should be for the time being I guess.

rune
Member
7 months 5 days ago
Hardly a fair comment. Nevs made an effort to revive the 9-3 in cooperation with Orio. Part of their reason for doing this was to help ease the supply of spare parts for the many 9-3s out there. Had one of NEVS’ major investors not abruptly pulled the plug, that strategy could have born fruit. Though it irks me that they went with a strange government sponsored deal, I at least recognize that they tried to do exactly what you say you wanted them to do: Support the old customer base. There were many who warned NEVS against resuming production… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
7 months 1 day ago
Rune: There have been several versions of this tale. The popular one was that NEVS wanted no part of producing that 9-3, but “The Province” (investor) forced them into it and then walked, leaving NEVS holding the bag. LMAO at NEVS lack of business skills, lack of judgement, lack of hutzvah—-the lack, lack, lack, just about everything, including brains apparently. Outreach to the old Saab base? NO, virtually none. I have followed this just about daily since NEVS was gifted the remains, and no, they’ve not lifted a finger to generate interest from the current owners—-save for a few symbolic… Read more »
rune
Member
7 months 14 hours ago
First, let me just say that I am in the process of building a house. Last year I sold an apartment, so I have had a minor fortune resting in my bank account. I did not run out and invest my nest egg in NEVS. …Or in any other business for that matter. Few business plans make sense to me. People get rich doing stuff that… E.g. Larry and Sergey made a huge business out of a simple search engine… Completely nuts. Secondly, NEVS are not alone in owning a particulary factory and then run out of money. Spyker, Koenigsegg… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Really SteveW are their save jobs at volvo sweden? Is this written on paper that he can have the job till his pension?

Avelik
Member
7 months 7 days ago

That’s not what a safe job means. No job guarantees you eternal employment. But working in a high position in a profitable and steadily growing company is exactly what people mean by a safe job.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Yes Avelik this was the case in the past. Ford closed assy plants in eu and moved to other places in eu . There is no guarantee that volvo stays in sweden and belgium same as nevs. A high position is also no guarantee to find another employer.Unless you will leave your house and like a new job abroad in china.

SteveW
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Spot on Avelik. That’s why I put ‘safe’ rather than safe Monique.
And jumping from Volvo to NEVS is indeed a very brave move indeed or based on information we have no clue about. The latter should not be dismissed. As Angelo points out we don’t get much insight from NEVS

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Actually Steve, the more I think about it, the more I think that in fact we are getting insight from NEVS. Oh, they aren’t coming out and saying it, but if you read between the lines and watch their actions, the insight is that it’s unlikely that significant manufacturing in Sweden is in their plans. They are lifting technology from what used to be Saab and from the Swedish auto industry but it appears they will set up shop in China. The jobs will be in China.

JoPlSe
Member
7 months 5 days ago

Just to be clear. My boss work at AB Volvo which is Swedish company which manufacturers trucks, construction equipment and buses. A stable Swedish employer. And for the jobs. NEVS is recruiting heavily in Sweden. Design and engineering will be in Trollhättan as far as I know. Right now, body in white is produced in Sweden. The rest will be done in China. Naturally, since that is the market. When NEVS go back to the European market I guess production will be in Trollhättan.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 5 days ago

What body in white is NEVS producing now?

FW
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Yup. As they said: the old 9-3 will be presented along with all these minivans in 2017 for the Chinese market under a different brand name. 2018, brand new cars, aimed, at the global markt and premium segment, will follow – hopefully under the Saab brand

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 7 days ago
2017 is next year. They will be selling the 9-3 again and introducing some new minivans? Lots of work to do in a year or so. And then for 2018, they are “aiming” at a global market premium segment? What does that mean? Does that mean they will have product and start selling outside of China? Or that they will finally turn their attention to where it should have been four years ago? Frankly, I’ll believe any of this when I see it. They’ve been really lousy with setting goals and achieving them in this corporation—-about the worst I’ve seen… Read more »
FW
Member
7 months 7 days ago
it’s all about cash. It’s not fair to put the blame entierly on NEVS. Qingdao local government were the ones who withdrew their support. They are to blame. Sure, BMW would hav had better ideas how to deal with Saab. But they were not intereseted in buying them. I’m a NEVS sceptic because they failed to adress the current Saab drivers around Europe and North America. Of course on the brink of bankruptcy there is not much to announce but they should have made a clear statement regarding the parts situation and their approach on the triad markets. That’s what… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
7 months 6 days ago
Four years ago….three years ago…If I heard them say with some sincerity and believeability that they had a mid range global plan to build new Saabs for North America, England, other traditional markets—-that they were definite about reconnecting with Saab owners in these areas and would work to keep a parts business viable and cooperate with parts and service for the vehicles as they undertook new dealer initiatives—-if they were meeting the auto press regularly, showing us an intent to revitalize Saab for markets who supported Saab—-I might have felt very differently about them. But instead, we got what we… Read more »
sonett71
Member
7 months 6 days ago

+ 1

ingvar
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Please, throwing s… at NEVS staff, is, in my opinon not fair.
Mistakes, yes, but why not give them a chance to do better?
Let`s see what they can do and then make the judgement!

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 7 days ago
Infvar: It’s not only their mistakes—-but even their “optimistic rhetoric” is writing on the wall to me that these people have no plan to ever seriously consider returning to my market—-North America. They seem to have abandoned the heart and soul of Saab, turbocharged engines. I never liked their plan from the beginning, and save for building a couple hundred 9-3s after having their arm twisted, their plans have only seem to have gotten worse. I want Saab to completely cut ties with this group and make it very public and very clear that NEVS is not Saab and never… Read more »
FW
Member
7 months 7 days ago

if NEVS is that incompetent why don’t you try to acquire the brand rights and rebuild Saab? Wouldn’t it be fun to drive a 2019 Saab 9-5 Angelic?

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 7 days ago

That would have been nice, but since my plan wouldn’t have been some pseudo-ecological nonsense about building all electric Saabs, I know that the Bankruptcy Receivers in Sweden wouldn’t want to entertain any offer from me. I wasn’t “green” and NEVS is quite obviously VERY green.

FW
Member
7 months 6 days ago

well,…. if you don’t want to do it, I’ll have to do it

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

JoPlSe
Member
7 months 7 days ago

I could not disagree more. Saab was around before turbo charged engines and I hope they will be in the future. Saab is about embracing change and being on the edge, not living in the passed. I would be immensely proud driving a Saab with an electric engine. If it designed by the same people, with the same driving dynamics, the same progressive design and with the power train for tomorrow, I would definitely call that a Saab.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 7 days ago
Well, if Saab AB does the right thing, you can call it a Saab if you want, but it won’t legally be one. As for “the present” and “the future” realize that for the time being and likely for the foreseeable future, internal combustion engines and many with turbochargers will outsell EVs by a huge percentage. I’m not sure what future NEVS is looking at—-but if they are aiming to become the Chinese Tesla beginning with the decades old 9-3 fitted with a ton of batteries, they’ll be laughed off that continent the same as they’ve been laughed off this… Read more »
cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

Called the local laughing stock.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 7 days ago

including the garage but not if a sonnet is parked beside him type 71.

Avelik
Member
7 months 7 days ago

It is time for you to understand that “A sells better than B” does not mean that B doesn’t sell at all. Do you know that Model S outsells every other large luxury car model in the US for the last two years and is the only large luxury model which sales grow year on a year? If we follow your “A sells better than B” logic then now every large luxury car in the US should switch to electric.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Add to it: and this will be made by nevs.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

We still do as from 31/8/2012. Ok then another four till 31/8/2020

JP
Member
7 months 7 days ago

They’re probably waiting on on borrowed money to pay someone to remove the signs, haha. It’s been a tough five years for the name.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 1 day ago

The sign company asked for a deposit and NEVS has to go to Qingdao to ask for a thousand bucks.

Joe
Guest
7 months 7 days ago

There are delusional fools in the U.S. that still believe Elvis is alive.
SAAB is Sweden’s “Elvis”.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

I saw just elvis leaving the building

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Correction: Elvis leaving the nevs building.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

In his 93 BEV

Joe
Guest
7 months 5 days ago

I thought I saw Elvis mixing two-stroke oil in gasoline at a gas station in Mississippi the other day…

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 4 days ago

no it was an engineer working for nevs who run out of battery power on his test car and filled his tank believing he was running on two stroke fuel

GerritN
Member
7 months 6 days ago

HM, interesting. There are suddenly a whole bunch of new commenters on SU that are very positive about NEVS.

Avelik
Member
7 months 6 days ago

I see no new users in this comment section.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 6 days ago

Called the Wild bunch gang with just one goal: Save the core plant . Geely does the same with volvo still there and standing nevs take take some engineers out of them for good money. But reality shows in my country that this violate business can change as the weather.

FW
Member
7 months 6 days ago

I’ve been an ocasionally guest reader since 2009. In early 2011 when things temporarily looked a bit better I became a regular guest but was too lazy to register. In 2013 and 2014 things looked too bleak and I would not have contributed to a positive atmosphere at SU with my postings. Finally after some better news and my sabbatical http://www.biketoasia.com in 2015, I registered and started to write some posts.

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

sonett71
Member
7 months 5 days ago

FW + 1

Bradley Tallent
Guest
7 months 6 days ago

I have no interest in this company. I want someone else to take over the Saab brand and just start making ICE Saabs again.

Romac
Member
7 months 6 days ago

That “someone else” will have to be you, mate!

FW
Member
7 months 5 days ago

No, it will be me. I will acquire the brand rights and re-animate Saab. Look forward! (s.o.)

FW aka GMVMNEVSififif

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 6 days ago
I think it is important to remember that the frustration with NEVS is aimed at its ownership interests and not at the rank and file engineers, designers, etc. I am sure we all wish for things to work out positively for the folks in Trolhattan, even if that means they support a product that will be sold in China. I also think it is important to remember the long and tortured road that NEVS has already gone down. Many see that as full of lost potential and failed opportunities. And I would bet that the suppliers who settled in the… Read more »
Avelik
Member
7 months 5 days ago
I don’t think the suppliers are feeling bad because Nevs is investing in China because they haven’t been deceived. The debt cut was made so that they could attract investors which then helped attract other investors and partners. That’s how business work. If you have been following the things carefully you know that Tianjin paid all the money for their stake only in January this year, before that they paid only a small part, and the contracts with the Chinese banks became official only in the end of last, beginning of this year, before that they were only intends. So… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
7 months 5 days ago
Avelik: We’ve already been abandoned by NEVS. You know, when a father walks out on his woman and three kids, it’s called being “abandoned.” Now, the bum might return in a few years with promises of having changed—-but that doesn’t mean they weren’t abandoned, it just means they were abandoned and the bum is back, maybe to try to get the money he forgot that he had stashed in the bathroom ceiling. By not making any attempt at outreach or to resuscitate Saab in this market in the four years that they have owned the carcass, they abandoned us.
Avelik
Member
7 months 5 days ago

There was no way to resuscitate Saab in some of the markets and to say there were no attempts to do it in some of the others is not true.

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 5 days ago

I am well aware of how “business work” as I am a former bank regulator and economist and have spent 35 years in the financial services industry. Of course, my experience is in the US, so I don’t know the vagaries of Swedish law. Nevertheless, as I stated, the entire arrangement may have been totally legal–my point was that the optics were bad for NEVS.

I guess the proof in all of this will be in the pudding, as they say. We shall see where NEVS’ focus is going forward.

Avelik
Member
7 months 5 days ago

I know what your point was and that’s why I was trying to explain why I think the situation didn’t put Nevs in bad light.

saabdog
Member
7 months 5 days ago

Avelik — honestly, how can you NOT think that nevs “management” hasn’t placed Saab in a bad light? What have they done right? I can’t think of a single step they have take that has been positive for the brand. Please enlighten me. I’d truly like to know what you believe nevs has done to further Saab automobile…and the development of an “eco-friendly” electric card doesn’t count, as that remains to be seen. Not being sarcastic or objectionable, I’d truly like to hear your reasoning. Thanks.

Avelik
Member
7 months 5 days ago
First of all, I was talking about bad light in the particular situation with the debt reduction. But if you are asking me what they have done right I would tell you this: they have a very sane idea of what they have to do to build up an automotive company. What do automotive companies do? They develop, produce and sell cars. Most of us here would think that buying the assets of Saab already gave them these abilities, but actually the assets are only a part of the picture. They gave them access to some technology, production facility and… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
7 months 4 days ago
Avelik: That is a very optimistic/encouraging post. I hope it is accurate. Do you think NEVS has been active in making Saab AB aware of their plans and progress? Since the brand name seemed to be important to NEVS at the onset a few years ago, I would think they would keep Saab AB in the loop to assure them that the right steps are being taken—-there have been setbacks like any new business faces, but they have taken corrective measures and continue to keep things on pace and on the right track. If there’s nothing alarming about what has… Read more »
Avelik
Member
7 months 4 days ago

Mattias Bergman has stated several times that they have an ‘ongoing dialogue’, so I guess SAAB AB is familiar with the plans and developments at Nevs.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 4 days ago

Hacked it.

saabdog
Member
7 months 4 days ago

I respect your enthusiasm, but nevs has had plenty of time to make every point you listed a reality. A real automotive company would have cars (new or old generation) in the market by now. Nevs has been a greater disaster for the Saab brand than GM or Spyker.

Avelik
Member
7 months 4 days ago

I’m afraid that what people, and you in the particular situation, mean by ‘real car company’ is actually ‘an established car company’. The thing is that there is huge difference between an established car company and a new one. Nevs is the latter. I would like to see a new car company which has accomplished more than Nevs in a similar time frame. Besides, the development at Nevs hasn’t been uniform, always keeping the same pace. They spent around a year in ‘surviving mode’. So I don’t think they had plenty of time to accomplish plenty of things.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 4 days ago
Avelik . Nevs bought a real and above all an established car company point other line. Bankrupt or not and demolished. They did a almost rehearsal but ruined It further to a death row. The your so called new car company . If you enter this violate business you should be prepared. Or stay out. Land Rover was in the same situation when it was sold to tata. In about four years as nevs was playing with saab they are now the fastest growing brand.They are run are out of time now to be recognised as a new car company… Read more »
Avelik
Member
7 months 4 days ago

Jaguar Land Rover wasn’t in the same situation as Saab, very far from it. They were a functioning company, with employees, car production and sales. They had a several modes line up and access to the Ford IP. Nevs didn’t buy a company, they didn’t buy a functioning organization. They didn’t buy a company producing several models, with distribution network and income. And they didn’t buy all the IP Saab had access to. Nevs only had an old model and an unfinished platform and had to build from there. JLR and Saab’s situations were very different.

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 5 days ago

Avelik, I know you are trying to provide a different perspective on this. I really hope you are right and things do work out for the Saab brand. So we have that in common.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 3 days ago
I detest what NEVS has done—-or maybe what they HAVEN’T done for four years. No secret—-I don’t like their business plan at all and I’m unimpressed with them to the point of calling them incompetent and agreeing with every negative post about them on this forum. All that said—-I think Avelik brings a very important point of view to every discussion we have here. At this point, much of what we are saying is our opinion of events and how we “feel.” Sure, there are some facts too, but a lot of what NEVS is doing or what they MIGHT… Read more »
Hakan
Member
7 months 3 days ago

Angelo, you are on retreat. I am disappointed with you 😉 But one thing you could learn from Aveliks way of reasoning; don’t label others opinions in a pejorative way. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t see any comments in this forum expressing blind faith or otherwise expressing themselves as zombies. To hope is not the same as expressing blind faith. I think the last half year or so, gave us lot more to hope for.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 3 days ago

I disagree Hakan. I have seen posts here over the years, including not that long ago—where people have grasped the tiniest morsel of news from NEVS and stated that “things are moving in the right direction” or “Hurray, this is great news!” and that sort of thing. It’s euphoria without any basis in reality in my opinion. The “fingers crossed” thing is what you describe. But I’ve seen proclamations that border on ridiculous.

Hakan
Member
7 months 2 days ago
Yes, probably those kind of people exists. I haven’t counted the number of blindly positive and negative posts here. But when it comes to borderless proclamations for any of the sides my impression is that the naysayers that seems to perceive NEVS as the incarnated evil on earth, far outnumber the blind believers. However, my main concern is not whether people are blind believers or not, its the pejorative wording that disturbs me. I don’t ask for moderation. But I do ask for respectful arguing. Speaking for myself I take a “fingers crossed” stance on NEVS business, that includes also… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
7 months 5 days ago

They built those black and silver 9-3s with a redesigned headrest and a weird appendage twist-tied to the dashboard.
They did do that.

Paul Willis
Member
7 months 5 days ago

Angelo, shame on you for leaving out the redesign of the seats, the ones that decreased kneeroom in the rear. Don’t sell NEVS short!

One of the presidential candidates in the US recently said that he had “won” third place in a primary. Talk about spin. Maybe NEVS can use his PR folks to better spin on their actions.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 4 days ago

As long the NEVS PR folks do not act as real spin doctors, disingenuous.deceptive,and manipulative tactics. I just wait for production for saabs to be made.

saabdog
Member
7 months 4 days ago

Monique, if nevs PR folks acted as spin doctors, they would at least give the illusion that something was actually being accomplished. As it is now, nevs just looks dead in the water…which I believe it is. Right or wrong, perception is reality.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 4 days ago

Yeah first i thought they were walk on water. And keep a little faith in me.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
7 months 4 days ago

And live is just believe in the illusion which never will be real. it’s just an illusion. Or fata morgana.

mattea
Member
7 months 1 day ago

Those who understand Swedish can almost weekly read about NEVS in Trollhättan local newspaper. The company has exciting things going on.

Angelo V.
Member
7 months 1 day ago

Then “the company” is really awful—-because they do NOTHING to share this good news themselves. Have you been to their joke of a website? They’re incompetent. Period.

mattea
Member
7 months 14 hours ago

Yes I been, and under the headline News you can se some.
I visited them when they had open house, saw what they wanted to show and listened to what they had to say. I experienced no incompetence.

Angelo V.
Member
6 months 30 days ago
That’s nice to hear, but in 4 years, we’ve seen no evidence that they are on task. They were in bankruptcy last year. They were jerked around by Qingdao and looked foolish in that escapade. They’re not showing exciting concepts, apparently not at auto shows, website doesn’t show sketches or development of things they might be working on, they don’t talk much to the automotive press, they don’t seem to be ambitious about expanding into Saab’s old markets—-seems to be some guys constantly on the prowl for “investments” and they draw a salary but nothing much seems to get done… Read more »
rune
Member
6 months 30 days ago

It takes time to develop a new car model. And, as soon as they show a new concept, the clock starts ticking on the design. If a release is not imminent, many customers might feel the design looks old by the time they get to the test drive.

The same holds true had they had vastly bigger resources. There aren’t any immediate fixes for this situation.

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
6 months 30 days ago

Hi rune back on the high live again on this site where everything happens. you are right and angelo is right. And nevs is a mission impossible due to lack of : you name it. Let a modern plant idle such along time in itself is a: you name it. By taking out some good engineers from the competition is: you name it.Some said we should read the local trollhattan newspaper for the exciting things. i repeat exciting things. Who is blindfolding here?

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
6 months 30 days ago

According the recent Swiss referendum they can pull you out of the country after two fines and not paying tax. Whole swiss is run by multinationals .

cpmoneymakerinfo
Member
6 months 30 days ago

Rune just read the referendum says no to the above. no black cows or white cows.

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