Saab enthusiast meeting at NEVS (with Q&A)

A couple of days after the news that NEVS will use its own brand instead of Saab, a number of Saab car enthusiasts were invited to a meeting with NEVS at the Stallbacka plant in Trollhättan. Among others, the chairmen of Svenska Saabklubben and Saab Turbo Club of Sweden were there, with the Saab Car Museum curator. NEVS held a presentation and showed the group around the plant.

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Saabklubben chairman Karl Ask with Jonas Hernqvist, Sales & Marketing at NEVS.

A more throughly analysis/editorial from the chairman of Saabklubben will follow here at SaabsUnited soon, but for now we have a Q&A (questions & answers) with NEVS along with a large number of pictures from the meeting. These are questions from us and from the readers of SaabsUnited.

– When will we see the first electric car, NEVS 9-3?

It will be launched in China in 2017. Possible introduction in Sweden and other countries will depend on the demand in China and the available production capacity.

– How is the relationship between NEVS and Saab AB today?

We have a good relationship with Saab AB and we have had several working meetings to discuss and agree on the plan to transit to NEVS.

– Will the cars from NEVS have typical Saab details (key between chairs, nightpanel etc.)?

You will definitely recognize some famous design cues, I would not be surprised if you for instance will see the hockey stick on future cars.

– What is the current status on the Phoenix platform?

The Phoenix platform was originally not intended for pure electric cars. A lot of work has been made to change this, but there’s still much left to do. We expect it to be finished by 2019-2020.

– What is your mobility services about? Give us some examples!

The car of the future will be a service, not a thing. The whole owner structure will change into subscriptions. So the car you drive will depend on your current needs. For city trips, you’ll use a smaller car. When shopping, you’ll have a station wagon. And for vacation trips with the family, you’ll use an SUV.

The cars will be as customizable as smart phones are today, both exterior and interior. You may want a car with an office interior, while someone else wants a car suitable as a movie saloon. The general solutions and restrictions will be a thing of the past. NEVS basically wants to ask the question “What do YOU need?”.

– Will NEVS sell any vehicles from a Chinese company (like New Long Ma) as “NEVS” in the western markets?

Most likely, no. Products from New Long Ma are very different from NEVS products, have a different customer target group and a very different heritage and all this calls for different trademarks.

– When will the factory in China be ready and what will it be used for?

Our Chinese factory will be completely ready within three years. We plan to use this factory for the Chinese market, while using the factory in Trollhättan for the US and European market.

– Is it true that you’re building a development center in China as well?

Yes, it’s true and we already have active engineers in China, to a limited extent. This development center will also be ready within three years. The head office of NEVS will remain in Trollhättan.

– Finally, if you could say one thing to all Saab enthusiasts in the whole world, what would it be?

That we’re now taking our famous history and spirit into the future and that we do that under a trademark that we own and control ourselves. NEVS is the future.

That’s all for the NEVS Q&A this time. Let us know what you think about this and if there are any other questions that you have for NEVS. If there’s enough interest, we may be able to make the NEVS Q&A a reoccurring thing here at SaabsUnited.

Here’s a large number of pictures from the meeting. All pictures were taken by Michèl Annink at NEVS and can not be used elsewhere without his permission. The meeting was held the afternoon just before Swedish midsummer, which explains the lack of people in the plant. Click on a picture for a larger version.

Tjalle
Guest
2 months 6 days ago
Sorry, I don’t buy this: -first three years of production is sold out to China, because China owns NEVS – no cars outside of China=no production in THN for 1:st generation. -there is – absolutely – no relation to Saab AB. -Phoenix is dead – too old. Thinking/details from Phoenix can be utilised in a 2:d version – no more. -obviously first of 2:d generation NEVS is due for 2020= 4 years away. -“Our famous history and spirit” – bull! My feelings are negative to NEVS, because they try to communicate something they are not – a SAAB- successor. Just… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 months 5 days ago

Thank you. And you didn’t even mention that stupidity about mobility services, basically saying “don’t plan on owning a car.” Sorry, I don’t like these people.

hughw
Member
2 months 6 days ago

Are you kidding me? “very open and supportive towards the Saab community?” How does a recent meeting or two make up for 3 years of silence and ignoring us?

Eugene
Member
2 months 6 days ago

Again, only talking. Worthless words. They’ve read in marketing books how to deal with the customers of a well-known brand of the past. But that cannot conceal their inability to produce something real and attractive. At best they can make another Chinese fake. At best it’s gonna be a Lifan 320 copied from Tesla with the same difference in technology. Have you seen this tasteless interpretation of the 9-3 they recently shown? That really exhibits their level.

Angelo V.
Member
2 months 5 days ago

I guess I’m past being angry about their incompetence. It’s a shame, but they’ve been reduced to most people not even caring, which is actually a few steps below being angry. Being angry means you care. They’ve sunk to new lows.

Phillip
Guest
2 months 6 days ago

It’s positive that they are talking to our community and we will need to wait and see what the cars look like. Time will tell and at least something is happening. We know that they won’t be Saabs but if they have Saab DNA then that still interests me. I don’t blame them for focusing on China, if that’s what it takes to build a successful company that can then hopefully develop into other markets.

Angelo V.
Member
2 months 5 days ago

Time won’t tell if we’re dead by the time it tells. NEVS is moving slower than snails pace and by the time Europe gets anything, people will have moved on permanently and by the time North America gets anything, we’ll be pushing up daisies. And the fact of the matter is that North America might never get a NEVS and Sweden might only get token NEVS while they “focus” on China. And China might not get much of anything either.

Phillip
Guest
2 months 5 days ago

Why would they care about low margin sales to North America when they may be able to sell in higher volumes than ever before to China. They may well have a successful business without being global. Remember we are not talking about Saab now.

Jacko
Member
2 months 6 days ago

What a BS.
Pohoenix ready in 2020? So when can we expect those 4 new models base on Phoenix platform? 2021? 22? On a platform designed in 2008? Is that for real?
Nevs killed Saab and they should burn in hell for that.

Angelo V.
Member
2 months 5 days ago

Hell is too good for them, Jacko.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 6 days ago

So the Phoenix is a platform never wanted for Bev cars why they bought the rights anyway.And put so much time and energy in it that is the question never said. Sorry but the above looks like a chinese attack about saab you never wanted. As a saab owner. They may burn in hell as far i am concerned.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 6 days ago

Saab DNA forget it. They died or are on pension. The others are working at volvo. As long as the present ceo of nevs acts like this there is no longer interest in nevs and close the subject.

Tjalle
Guest
2 months 6 days ago
Jonathan: I hope that NEVS will employ a lot of people in THN – but I am afraid it won’t. The SAAB Spirit was developed by , management, secretaries, engineers, mechanics and production engineering – all striving for the same goal:The Best Car. NEVS is managed by a Chinese: Kai Johan and a Swedish CEO none who know nothing about cars. Even if there are some former SAAB engineers, they can’t develop a SAAB Spirit on their own, and yet NEVS claim they have. Saab AB has made it very clear, that they have not negotiated with NEVS after bankruptcy.… Read more »
Jacko
Member
2 months 6 days ago

Just can’t believe what I just read. They have Phoenix since 2012 and they need 8 years to addjust hybrid platform to EV? Wtf? It took Tesla 5 years to build a new company from scratch and start production. Unbelievable.

Angelo V.
Member
2 months 2 days ago

They’re being slow and careful, Jacko. They want everything to be just perfect.

Tjalle
Guest
2 months 6 days ago

Jacko: an architecture is developed with first vehicle, so first vehicle, probably, 2020.

As I said before: Phoenix is dead, but thinking from P could be carried over into P2.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 6 days ago

As long as the chinese money flows in these pluto projects who cares?

Tjalle
Guest
2 months 6 days ago
Jonathan: Rolf Mellde and some engineers/ mechanics saved SAAB, by installing 300 Ford V-4 engines during vacation – that is SAAB Spirit. Saab AB has officially said, that there are no ongoing negotiations – I tend to belive them, especially since the Wallenberg Group is using the SAAB brand in their silohuoette racing cars. I don’t have a problem with NEVS being located in former SAAB premises – but I do have a problem with NEVS trying to be “SAAB successor” inheriting the SAAB Spirit – which they obviously are not. Again: we both hope for NEVS to be successful… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 months 5 days ago

That’s if you believe NEVS has long term intentions on THN. My personal belief is that they are talking the talk while it serves them, but in the future, will pull up stakes and walk the walk to China. They will extract what they need, while they need it, then leave an empty facility.

Mick E. Bice
Member
2 months 3 days ago

Of course NEVS (Notoriously Elusive Vaporware Syndicate) will walk away from THN when it’s expedient for them.

Angelo V.
Member
2 months 2 days ago
The question Mick, becomes “When will that be?” I think it might be a lot sooner than some of the fans realize. NEVS might keep a presence there to check of a box of some sort—-to be able to claim Swedish technology/cooperation in developing their vehicles. Needless to say, I think they are going to get out of there as fast as they possibly could, depending on what their goals really are. If this is a game of finding money and paying salaries while cars are developed that will never be produced, they will be in Sweden as long as… Read more »
Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 5 days ago

I think for sure that nevs have made an agreement of understanding with saab ab about the new nevs brandname. Sorting out some details in the form of a letter of intend. Not just wave their hands and goodluck . When the bodies roll off from THT and the launch in china of the still called 93 leaves me cold as ice. Nevs is no longer former saab. Over and out. Sorry Red j.

Red J
Member
2 months 5 days ago

Monique, no it doesn’t. Otherwise you wouldn’t comment on that.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 5 days ago

Maybe the techside of this 93 BEV could bring some nice points of discussion. Suspension and gearbox for example. Come up nevs power train.

Red J
Member
2 months 5 days ago

As any other BEV the 9-3 will have no gearbox, and the suspension should be very much the same of the last 9-3.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 5 days ago
Something in favor of BEV cars. ICE cars in the eu going to euro 6 this year and we pay for it. Not all of them. Despite Kyoto agreements we have flow of these dirt from asia and usa thru the air to europe. Positive news that large cruise ships blowing an equivalent of 369 millon cars in the air stays at the open sea. Not the ones pull in the norwegian Fjords. Even in harbour whit their own generators they blow ashore 50000 cars running at german speed of 130 km/h. The milkcar cow pays. Data 15 largest cruise… Read more »
Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 5 days ago
Red j i always like to provoke reactions, the gearbox is one of them in a bev. Not pretending the wise guy they get the jockey stick. The same as in the E-Motion Mini bike i have in my camper. For sure the nevs is 4wd or not anyway if yes you have the fast pulling 93 ever seen. There is instant torque in a split second. An e- bike can flew away out of your hands. Any way in a bev is some kind of power regulator converter. I really respect your concern for the saab plant. In belgium… Read more »
Red J
Member
2 months 5 days ago

To be honest, I’ve never seen Belgium as a car producing country. There are many reasons why companies close a company in a country, but what I don’t understand is what has this to do with NEVS or SAAB?

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 5 days ago

Red j about the suspension of the last 93 being nicer than my present range rover evoque, Remember that they engineered new front suspension struts claimed to be better than the famous Mc Phersons Still in every car and never succeeded. The patent was the most famous in car history. They bump at the right time and spring adjustable easy modified to air assist. The rear axle on the 93 was a nice feeling like a limited sper diff.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 5 days ago

Red j now your exenofofe swed attitude pulls out. We produced more cars than sweden in four car plants being ford, GM opel,AUDI,And volvo. DO you have Alsheimer Already?

Red J
Member
2 months 5 days ago

My words did not try to insult you or your country, sorry if you felt like that.
But next time try to find something about the people you want to tell things.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 4 days ago

No hard feelings Red J. Both saab owners from a small brand. Looking at Nevs only being in sweden. I have another perspective in belgium than you. To keep on a nice tone .A car puzzle question: what type of chevrolet was supposed to be a competitor for the ford mustang? Being off topic.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 4 days ago

I just read on the latest topic from Jonathan that old us cars are very popular in sweden, maybe he nows. Some help link the car type start with letter C.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 5 days ago

In the case comments and critcal ones are not welcome on this site and moderated by the swed owners of this site.Despite the fact that they have no clue about their outside border market and behave like this outside their country iam really considering to step out.

Han Gyuan
Guest
2 months 5 days ago
I guess the situation is better now compared to the last couple of years, since information about NEVS is less scarce. And I’m quite glad that they are at least saying in public and in official manner (ex. homepage) that they will carry on the SAAB heritage. Will they really keep their words and stay in Trollhättan and stick to SAAB heritage. Whether or not if they would keep their promise isn’t hundred percent certain, and only time would tell. My question is how far do they assume (calculate) that their behind other car/ev manufacturers like tesla or nissan. And… Read more »
Red J
Member
2 months 4 days ago

Hi!
I think it is too early to talk about their global strategy. So besides the EU, which is a home market for them, and the US, which too big to ignore, I don’t think we will see them talking about other markets before the 2nd gen cars hit the roads. And besides that the Korean is not the easiest market for a foreign brand, as it has a strong local car industry.
But this is only my point of view!!

Han Gyuan
Guest
2 months 3 days ago

Strong local industries aside, Saab still managed to sell cars and volvo is growing its market share. Not to mention that the Gov. seems to be interested in getting people to buy EVs. May be I’m too optimistic, but it’s just that I hope to see Trollhättan cars again here

Red J
Member
2 months 2 days ago

I think if they see a possibility to sell cars in Korea with a win they will enter the market.
But it may make send to deliver the Korean market from China, because of the distance, but I don’t know if the Korean customers would be happy with that.

Han Gyuan
Guest
2 months 2 days ago

Not really.. Volvo had to explain that their cars came from Sweden and Belgium, not the Geely factory at China.. But if NEVS do explain that the main structure is made in Sweden and then shipped to China, the reaction might be favorable

Paul Willis
Member
2 months 4 days ago
As always, I hope that the good folks in Trollhattan stay employed by NEVS. I totally support that, if it can happen. I just do not think that NEVS has the traction to really keep the Saab light burning. Their responses seem clear that they are taking the Google-car approach to transportation where it is just an appliance of sorts and not tied to driving enthusiasm. Saab was the antithesis of a transportation appliance pod, so those statements above sort of seal the Saab fate as far as I can tell. Yes, I hope that NEVS keeps our friends in… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
2 months 4 days ago
Paul: I understand Peugeot/Citroen is looking at coming back to the U.S. and possibly Canada. It will take a few years—-might happen by 2020 or 2021 according to what I read. But they are a large company, actually making cars and trucks. That’s a far cry from NEVS, making nothing. NEVS is no longer Saab, we know that. NEVS will not make cars with “The Saab Spirit” because their plan ignores the Saab spirit. They wouldn’t even be able to define such a thing. I too hope that the fine people of Trollhattan find employment with NEVS and ride it… Read more »
Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 3 days ago

Nice post again Paul. My posts not. To add to your posts and said by 3cyl. A car is no longer looked at as a machine. Mercedes signed a long term contract whit silicon valley co named plug and play. To make their cars better and safer w/o driver influence. They just take over and follow yoursences regarding mobility.

Tjalle
Guest
2 months 3 days ago
Paul, Angelo: I fully agree. I can also add: since NEVS is owned to 52% by State of China, first three years of production of Gen.1 cars (150.000) are sold to state owned companies, probably for use by state employees, which of course means that performance is secondary, but also that Brand goes down the tube. Which in turn means that even if 2.d generation is good – there will be no customers – outside state employees in China. Automotive News China this week had an article about battery plants – they are allowed to produce batteries as solely foreign… Read more »
Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 3 days ago

I think that lithium,,, batt cars reloaded with green or not green have a short future. Same as nps stations followed what happened in japan latest. The japanese have therefore already an alternative. Fuel cell cars based on present electric propulsion tech. No more nuclear acivity in our bodies.

Angelo V.
Member
2 months 2 days ago

I actually prefer the BAIC older generation Saabs over the 9-3. Heck, if we’re going to consider NEVS as Saab renamed, why not BAIC? Those were better Saabs to begin with and BAIC actually manufactures cars—-they don’t just talk about it for five years, they actually do it.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 2 days ago
I am really exited about the start up of the tht plant which is already one month overdue. These so called bodies in white leaving the body shop need some protection coat. Over land less than over seas.Or do they pass the paint shop for primer or final coats? Do they end up on the end where the girls are ready with their fork lifts. A unique matter of pull out never seen in other plants. Maybe the last strenght test of the front axle.Normally they leave the line with wheel geometry last and liquids fill, engine started and run… Read more »
Tjalle
Guest
2 months 2 days ago

Monique, there is no planned start up of the complete THN plant – only press/bodyshop and paintshop. Since there is – yet – no paintshop in China, all bodies will be fully painted.

Since there will be no final assembly, there will be no girls with forklifts. 😮

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 1 day ago

Thank you Tjalle for this as it is update in THN. Making 3 years bodies.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 2 days ago

Breaking news in car design. Nevs designers be aware. Always laughed about the idea. But goes in production by landrover in 2017. Chief desingner gerry mc govern, The man of the evoque with the sloped back which turned this small brand as desinger to a sucessfull growing brand. Still selling 120000 evoques a year. Run by a german CEO. His new baby a suv with coupe lines. First invented by Ssang Yong south korea in 2005 named Actyon. Name of landrover: Coupeversion of the range rover sport. Are there Swedish products in this car? More than you think.

Red J
Member
2 months 2 days ago

Well the X6 as a first in its class has been among us for years, now you also have a X4, with the size of an Evoque and the corresponding counterparts from Mercedes, so no news here.
BTW, that car clas is the most ugly and idiotic car type I’ve ever seen.

3cyl
Member
2 months 2 days ago

That’s what non-SAAB people said about the original 900 – especially the four door hatchback version.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 1 day ago

Agree whit you about the X6 same impression. But have a look on the landrover.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 1 day ago

Agree about the X6 same preception. However not really the same design concept. I will comment later what makes this the reason for land rover to go ahead with this.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 2 days ago

The saab 900 coupe had two doors and also the impressive sloped sturdy hatch back. The above car has four doors and hatch back. Most of the car is in aluminium unique trend setter by land rover to lower their weight of large off road cars. Antique steel body rolls enter now tht to make the chinese 93, once sold out to a dutch company to make garbage bags of them during the bankrupt. To REd J in belgium never a car plant went bankrupt. There are many reasons for that.

Red J
Member
2 months 2 days ago

Never said that!

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 2 days ago

I am now on full tempo to clean the hatch area of a evoque with the wiper on top under the spoiler needs a spray jet and are mostly ignored leaving a dirty rear side common to this type of hatch back. The saab hatch had not this. The most stupid things on the saab was their front head light wipers out side snow markets, they never stand in their in their correct upper positions. It was typical for some markets.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 2 days ago

School class to nevs, ALuminium was invented in the us in their rail way compartments in the very early days. Whit a very long life time. It is still used along with poly material. Even in loaded car suspension parts. Carbon fibre also but costly. High tensile steel for the crash test.

Jacko
Member
2 months 2 days ago

For Christ’s sake – can you please stop typing five posts in a row? This is hell annoying especially that you’ve got nothing interesting to say.
Could one of mods sort her out? Please…

3cyl
Member
2 months 1 day ago

Jacko, I read all the comments in this thread up to this point and it appears that you are the only one to have typed “five posts in row”.

Angelo V.
Member
2 months 1 day ago

Do not mess with Jacko.

Jacko
Member
2 months 1 day ago

Yep, no body mess with Jacko. I’m from Belgium and drive Land Rover if you didn’t notice by now 🙂

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 1 day ago

Jacko I shoot you first before talking to you. In absence of new saabs i drive landrover now. Before i had eight saabs. Who the hell are you any way? Just click away reading my posts. I have other supporters on this side.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 1 day ago

From wich country are you?

hughw
Member
2 months 10 hours ago

Actually, I’d love to know about Monique’s background. Her comments, while sometimes pointed, are always interesting and indicate a broad knowledge of the automotive industry and Saab in particular. So Monique, who are you?

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 4 hours ago

Hugwh understand your question, Hans my partner was a saab freak. From him in time i was also saab minded. Ended up in saab couple. What you read about us on our posts is a lot of frustration. Hans is of dutch origin. I am belgium. Sorry for the disguise. I loved all your comments. Hopefully this site will no be the us president election ..Where the russions leak Emails of the democratic party about Sanders same age as Hans.

Chris Hansel
Member
2 months 15 hours ago
Well, sorry I’m late to the party, but did the man say, production for the Trollhattan plant would be for Europe and America? Here in Arizona I’m keeping my rag tag fleet of Saabs going waiting for that day. Does this make any sense? Well, if you buy the new China plant can supply China’s needs and that NEVS wants to establish an independent mark for that market from the Trollhattan plant. A premium brand you would think, it does make sense. It never made any sense to believe there would be mass production of NEVS bodies shipped to China… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
1 month 30 days ago

Saab products might have been competitive and maybe that’s what you’re saying but Saab was NOT competitive as far as selling cars and making profits. And NEVS is not Saab—-NEVS doesn’t have the brand. They’re now backpeddling and saying they didn’t want the brand and we all know that’s hogwash. Bottom line: No new Saabs will come from NEVS, ever.

Doug R.
Guest
1 month 30 days ago

Angelo your right not only that Nevs won’t even get to first base with any cars ,,, I truly believe the company will be gone before it happens,,, My suspicion is all smoke screen and mirrors for original investors to get back losses. Nevs, come on who are they really in the car world?? Nobody… This in the end is a money grab,, a shell a fraud.

Angelo V.
Member
1 month 30 days ago
I think you’re right about the goal being KJJ and others to make a few bucks for their trouble, cash out and move on to the next scam. They have been around over 4 years now and haven’t done squat. They haven’t even had a consistent vision to share with the automotive world—-they’re all over the place and talking nonsense, using buzz word phrases to describe themselves that are now bordering on some model where people don’t even own cars. They’re a disgrace in my opinion, a really, really sad way for Saab to finally end. I would have much… Read more »
Tjalle
Guest
1 month 30 days ago

Angelo, Kai Johan has sold – 52% – to China – he is in the dry.

NEVS will not sink SAAB – that was done by GM and Muller. NEVS has nothing, whatsoever, to do with SAAB.

Muller was not capable of designing beautiful cars – nor SAAB:s. He is -being nice – a no-good horsetrader.

Angelo V.
Member
1 month 29 days ago
Exactly—-KJJ “getting whole again” was/is the point of everything NEVS has done the last couple years. Muller—-I said he “produced” beautiful cars (penned by GM). I didn’t say he designed them. “Saab” cars died in the hands of NEVS. They got the rights to the name, they got the factory, they apparently hired engineers—-and now there is no more “Saab” cars. Thus, NEVS was the last party to sell Saabs (granted, a couple hundred 9-3s, a complete joke). Saab died with NEVS. NOW, NEVS has nothing whatsoever to do with Saab. They ghouls want us to believe they never wanted… Read more »
Paul Willis
Member
1 month 29 days ago
The sad truth is that Saab hardly ever made money, independent or as part of GM. It had interesting products (I have had 12 Saabs over the years) that connected with a lot of folks like us, and that was great, but in the end you have to make money. Operating a small company on a shoestring budget and by seat-of-the-pants, do-or-die gumption is quaint and a good story, but in the current global reality, just can’t survive for anyone selling cars that the average person can afford and that are reliable. Emphasis on reliable. I have an old 900… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
1 month 28 days ago

Well, I would have been quite happy “making out” with Rachel Pang of Youngman. NEVS destroyed that little fantasy of mine, too.

Tjalle
Guest
2 months 10 hours ago
Chris, yes I believe he said – but that means – to my mind – little. Obvioulsly there will be three years of gen.1 -rebuilt 9-3- which obviously will not be competitive. No sweat – NEVS is owned by China – all cars are sold “internally” Complete factory – and engineering center- ready in China in three years. New vehicle also ready – will be produced in China. If – and only if – there is high demand on that vehicle outside China, will NEVS’ “real” owner (China) consider investments in second tooling and upgrade of THN factory. There is… Read more »
Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 3 hours ago

At last some seriously post.Not from me but fromTjallle. So we should stop talking in circles about nevs. There is more in live. Including the P platform. Enjoy the after season.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
1 month 30 days ago

Tjalle About Muller: He managed to take over saab from giant GM. The saab combi had it all. Jason design had it all. However the finance not. As was never the case before with saab. Nevs even will keep the plant in a limp home mode. Why we have so bad luck seeing the take overs of volvo and landrover. Thats why all the frustation on this site. I live in a swed skagersvik house among others painted in falun red. The paint is forbidden in sweden right now. We all had saab cars.

Tjalle
Guest
1 month 30 days ago

Monique, Muller bought SAAB from GM – with practically no up-front money – because that was the easy way out for GM. When M had to pay up, he did the famous “Ukraine scam”, which got JÅJ to resign.

The Gen-2 9-5 was designed by Opel/SAAB in Ruesselsheim, where it was supposed to be built. The Phoenix show car was designed by Castriota.

Tjalle
Guest
1 month 30 days ago

I forgot: the money in the Ukraine scam is supposed by Swedish authorities to have come from Antonov, who was persona non grata by: CIA,FBI, EU, GM and Swedish authorities.

The sad thing is that Antonov was – contrary to Muller – a SAAB-fan – he had owned a MY -98 SAAB 9000 AERO.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
1 month 29 days ago

Tjalle to add to your posts there was also the Eu loan cancelled because of antonov. Why get turkey loans for the ford plants. The same in bulgaria. However Vm started to get money from china. By the way its very silenced about victor.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
1 month 29 days ago

Warning to saab diesel drivers check your thightness of your main secondary diesel filter in cluding sensors for leaks and cracks. Check all pipes connected to the fuel tank four of them. That filter is located mostly near the fire wall at the bulkhead. It also include a water seperator whit alerts to the ecu reducing your engine revs in three modes. Your Tank dop closure is sealed to the atm not to spoil liquid but has another secret function. You may tell me.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
2 months 3 hours ago

And A Battery car of … kilos is easely modified into a fuel cell car.So nevs will have a bright future in china.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
1 month 29 days ago

Warning to all saab 93 tid and ttid diesel drivers. Your main diesel fuel filter including the water separator can leak and under primary pressure can create a diesel spray. Check all your fuel lines.

Monique Hubrechts
Member
1 month 29 days ago

Saabs are still there .Parked at the houses in my site. As paul nicely said for the daily road use not. If they ever are part of the classic world. The more hope in nevs the deeper the fall. Enjoy your stay on this site till the end. All together.

Jacko
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1 month 28 days ago

Make up your mind and put it all together in 1 post instead of another 5 in a row.

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