What do we know so far?? (Update from China)

Chinese car news outlet (aoto.sohu.com) keeps repeating (different post from different authors) that the NEVS 9-3 will have a E-REV version with a range of 1200 km. This would not be available from the beginning but later on.

First, I’m quite sceptic if rumours come from only one site and second I can only tell what that Google translator tells me, so maybe got it wrong this time.

Anyhow, such a power-train option coupled with a good looking, in the best Saab tradition of form follows function, shell would make the car attractive to many people, maybe even to Angelo. 😉


It has been a long time ago since we last started discussing about cars that had to be build at Stallbacka. At that Time those cars were branded as SAAB but this time we are talking about the first NEVS car.

First of all I want to emphasise that all this is only the information that I’ve been able to collect from the internet and that none of those is in any way confirmed by NEVS.

NEVS Front Grille
NEVS Front Grille

NEVS clarified two weeks ago under which brand the cars they will sell in the future will have. I’ve said it then and I want to emphasise it now, this was an incredible possibility for them to present their first electric car, what we now know as the NEVS 9-3. But they decided to not to show anything, but instead of that they invited press and the community and so some information about the new car has been filtrated to the net.

The main source of information is the picture of a countdown-clock shown in an article by the local newspaper ttela.se. Underneath that countdown-clock you can see the a car, that any of us would recognise as a SAAB/NEVS 9-3. But after a second look at the picture you notice some changes, even to the SAAB 9-3 MY 14 that NEVS produced in very small numbers with a petrol engine.

The most noticeable changes are door handles in the style of the 9-5 II and a two tone side mirror with integrated signal lights and a slightly different shape, which feel quite familiar compared with the side mirrors of the prototypes of the SAAB 9-3 III by Jason Castriota.

But besides that there is also a different shark fin antenna, more BMW style, new designed double 5-spoke wheels and different side skirts. The side skirts seem to be higher than the normal ones in order to hide the higher ride height. Looking at the wheel arch, it feels like the distance between the Wheel arch and the tyre is bigger than on a normal 9-3.

The whole front part of the car is hided, on purpose as it is done with what looks like a piece of paper. So it is to expect that the car will have the major differences at the front.

Regarding the interior it is only known, that the old GM-Radio is a now more and will be replaced by a touchscreen system named IQon that is expected to be based on parrot Hardware, but this is 2014 information so maybe not anymore up-to-date. After filtering the picture from ttela.se you can somehow see the form of the headrest on that car, and those are not the former 9-3 headrests nor the XC90 I headrests of the front-seats of the MY’14. They look a little bit like the ones from the 9-5 II. NEVS has published a picture on Instagram about the visit of the Saab-comunity at Stallbacka. On that picture on the lower left side you can see two seats that look very much like the 9-5 II Aero seats, but maybe not exactly the same. The one with the stitchery really looks nice. The chairman of the Svenska Saabklubben was at that visit, and he has confirmed that those were prototypes, not the final ones.

Regarding the technical data, either NEVS is talking more about that car in China or the Chinese sites have a lot of phantasy. According to auto.sohu.com the car has the same length as the MY 14 (4668 mm) will be 20 mm higher (ride hight) and have the same wheelbase. The top speed will be 140 kph and the range will be 301 km. The weight is said to be 1800 kg. So how does this car compare to something like the new Leaf with the 30 kWh Battery? Well, the Leaf is about 200 kg lighter but the range is 50 km shorter and has about the same to speed (144 kph). Compared to the Tesla S 60, the NEVS is 160 kg lighter but has also 100 km more range. Looking at the numbers it is just as good as the competitors, but on the other side we don’t have much information about what standards have been used to measure the range (EPA, NEDC, other) nor the weight, so we will have to wait till the official numbers appear to make a final judgement.


I wanted to thank StefanH STHLM to point me at it. It is just fun to be able to write about cars once again at SAABSUNITED.

StefanH STHLM
Member

🙂 Thanx for the thanx!

Tjalle
Guest
A couple of months ago – on this site – there was a description – in Chinese, but with diagrams – of current owners of NEVS, which indicated that NEVS is now, to 52%, owned by two state agencies. In other words – NEVS is now owned by China. That conforms with the INFO that first three years of production is a sold out- probably to Chinese state officials – who can’t pick and choose. This is very good news for Kai Johan – and halfway good news for Trollhättan, since only bodies will be produced in THN during coming… Read more »
Romac
Member

Happy for NEVS news to be published here, and this is article helpfully brings some scattered news together.

Just can’t help feeling they should reverse their initials! SVEN sounds much nicer than NEVS!

Mailr
Member

The 140 km/h top speed is an interesting decision. Lower top speed means better efficiency on lower speeds when you don’t have a gearbox, and adding higher top speed cost dearly, either in price/complexity or range.

But I wonder what customers will think, when the I3 has a 150 km/h top speed. Customer reaction will be interesting, are the willing to accept a lower top speed (even if that is above the speed limit almost everywhere) this for other advantages?

Boby
Member

Personally I would prefer to have a car that makes 0-140 for 5 seconds than a car that goes beyond 140, it is very rare occasion to go beyond 140 km/h anyway.

Romac
Member

Call me boring, but 140km/h and 0-100 km/h in 10s is plenty for me. However 1000km on a single charge *would* get me interested, as I could do /most/ of my journeys on that.

Monique Hubrechts
Guest
Monique Hubrechts

Tjalle . Who said that tht makes 50000 bodies a year during a three year period?

Angelo V.
Member
It’s very hard to speculate about how this car would compare to a Leaf or Tesla if it’s ever built. Those cars are on the road now, for sale and presumably, Tesla and Nissan will consistently improve upon them as they stay in production. NEVS doesn’t have anything produced or for sale yet. By the time they do, we don’t know what Tesla and Nissan will have done with their cars—-in other words, they are a moving target if we are trying to compare NEVS to them. Development will have a lot to do with China, since they are basically… Read more »
Monique Hubrechts
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Monique Hubrechts
To Mailr I3 is a german car. Their average high way speed is the highest in europe. The 2cm higher ride height what ever that means should be related to the latest version. Suspension play a role . As in campers battery cars need space underneath for their furniture. This means critical angles front and rear and in the center compared to wheel base and load behavior. Because of heavy weight of the battery sets similar to your E bike you have a critical driving behavior. The future is in a fuel cell car as big as shoebox underneath one… Read more »
Niels-Søren Bøgh
Guest

You will always need to use more energy to compress the hydrogren into a tank than you will to drive a battery car…

Monique Hubrechts
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Monique Hubrechts

Red j very sensible thinking. It might be the case that they built them fully assembled in tht? Either way it makes no sence to ship these volumes to a distant market. A couple of them yes but not a three years production. Its not a apple i phone. And who are the car seat makers? Sorry to say but the more i read this will be the local laughing stock.

Monique Hubrechts
Guest
Monique Hubrechts

Red J right they will be there in that period or earlier depending on politics. Follow them its going fast.

Niels-Søren Bøgh
Guest

If NEVS will build all the models they claim – then troll will be bussy…

Tjalle
Guest

If NEVS is owned by China AND customers are state officials OR short term leasers, competitive performance is not essential.

China will get help to reduce pollution and Kai Johan will earn money.

The risk, however, is that the Brand is down the drain, so when next generation comes out in three years, nor rich Chinese or westerners will buy the cars – even if they are competitive. State officials will still be customers.

Where will second generation NEVS be built? – In new complete factory in China or THN? Will THN be utilised if volumes are mediocre?

Monique Hubrechts
Guest
Monique Hubrechts

Wheel arches play a dominant role in a vehicle and take large unwanted space normally fully covered with mud and unsufficient liners and attachment srews. The axle load and tyre havet to move freely in this space limited by the axle bump whatever this means. This space and axle track determinates the size of the tyre. Point of gravity as low as possible. Therefore nevs 93 bev has a larger wheelarch.

Tjalle
Guest

NEVS has, for some reason, difficulties to recruite engineers.

It is on the news today – both locally and main radio “Dagens Eko”, that NEVS is recruiting engineers from the oilfields in Norway.

It sets the stage for interesting vehicles: electrical vehicles designed by oilfield engineers :o)

Apart from that, because of Norway struck oil and Sweden did not, there are a lot of stories about Norwegians not being overly bright.

Paul Willis
Member
Tjalle, come on, let’s not devolve into shooting barbs at other Scandinavians. People who live in Sweden may feel there is a big difference between it and Norway, but the rest of the world sees it all as pretty much the same thing. We have to think globally, because that is the reality. No offense, but as a market, all of Scandinavia (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark) is a rounding error compared to the emerging markets in China and elsewhere. Globalization is a fact of life and here to stay, regardless of the Brexit nonsense. I hope NEVS succeeds in bringing… Read more »
Tjalle
Guest
Paul, Norwegian stories were a sideline – I admitted they are because of Norway struck oil. My message about NEVS having difficulties in recruiting engineers were a response to input from Romac and Red J, who claimed that the fact that NEVS were able to recruit engineers – so far about 300 – was proof of confidence in NEVS. I don’t think so. There are about 500 qualified engineers in THN, working for consultants and Flygmotor and there are about 3000 in Göteborg (50 miles away) working for Volvo – cars and trucks- and also consultants and suppliers. These 3500… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
I wonder if the folks in France who had family members mowed down would agree with you that Brexit is “nonsense” or if they wish they had moved in that direction years ago. Back on topic, I am familiar with the Chinese market and the vast majority of buyers there aren’t interested in another Chinese start-up. They like their Buicks, European marques——maybe some of the home-grown makes too, but the last thing they’re probably interested in is a poor imitation of Tesla when they could just buy a Tesla instead. Let’s be real here: If the idea is a clean… Read more »
Paul Willis
Member
Just to be fair, the deranged fool who mowed down those poor folks in Nice had been in France for 10 years and was from Tunisia, a former French colony. So, this didn’t really have anything to do with the recent issues of immigration vis-a-vis EU policies. The point I was trying to make was that globalization is pretty much a fact of life, and the Brexit action was largely driven by an anti-globalization sentiment. I understand the sentiment to some extent, but one has to look at the auto industry in the global view, as that is the new… Read more »
Paul Willis
Member
I posted a comment a few weeks ago about a news segment I had seen that discussed the Chinese car market. China is earnestly trying to further develop and expand its OWN manufacturing capabilities, with an emphasis on alternative energy platforms. Already, the Chinese market exceeds both the US and EU car markets, and is growing rapidly. What is my point? That we need to see NEVS from a Chinese-centric perspective and understand that anything that might ever make it to Europe or North America would only be a by-product of what NEVS is doing for the Chinese market, likely… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
It’s indeed the new reality. I have my 2004 9-5 and I drove the car all over the place today. Such a beautiful, well engineered car. So comfortable—-the best balance of space, driving satisfaction and fuel efficiency I’ve ever had in a car, and I’ve had a lot of cars. It’s low mileage and no issues to report. But reality is that the first major expense will likely spell the end of me owning the car. It just wouldn’t make sense to put a pile of money into a major repair, with the possibility of more to come, fewer parts… Read more »
3cyl
Member

It wasn’t so long ago that many SAAB fans thought it made great sense for an investor to spend huge sums to keep the SAAB production lines going despite a long history of financial losses for the brand, so we shouldn’t balk at spending some of our own money to keep these cars going just because it may not make be practical or make the most financial sense.

Angelo V.
Member
In fairness though, I think we were saying that if the brand is handled the right way and marketed properly, it could be profitable—I never suggested that Vic Muller or anyone should absorb years of losses just to satisfy my desire to own a Saab. The point was that previous owners hadn’t run things in a way that made sense. At least speaking for myself, I suggested ways that I felt the brand should be reborn and reach a whole new market, younger, for more growth, more volume. So it’s not really fair to say we should suffer financial losses… Read more »
No 9
Member

Of course, that’s why I replaced our beloved 2001 9-5 by a high milleage 2007 E320 Bluetec. Even if I miss a few SAAB caracteristics, I have to admit the Merc is a far superior product. My biggest complain, and it was a shock to me, is that I don’t have foldable rear seats. Oh, they exist, as an option! Now, that you would never encounter in a SAAB!

Len Burke
Member
Bruce and Angelo have me pegged pretty well. I can`t seem to find anyone who will take my 97- automatic Red Aero 9000 with 211,000 miles, for small money. I paid $12,900 USD for an 07- 95 immaculate wagon with 19K miles early this year. Beat out 20 callers, probably all Saab nuts willing to over pay as well. I can still get parts in Florida, and am not to proud to go pick wrecks for decent parts. Totally agree that I am on my last Saab, but I tend to keep my cars for years. The Aero 19 years,… Read more »
Tjalle
Guest

I always carry a DI-cassett in my MY-97 9000 T Jubilee, 310.000km and use my MY-15 BMW for long trips.

Len Burke
Member
Tjalle Yes the DI cassette is like that old American Express ad “Never leave home without it” I have gone through 3 x plastic coolant tanks on my 9000 recently. They all split under pressure where the top half is press fitted to the lower half. Anyone out there who can suggest why the wipers on the 9000 don`t work? All the fuses seem fine. Tough to drive in a Florida thunder storm. Splines on the wiper arms are tight. “SAABSUNITED” is there a way we can use this forum to trade parts with each other? We have a collective… Read more »
hans
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hans

Len somewhere in china is a factory cranking out DI cassettes and dash clusters for the 95 baic up to my year nobody knows. Maybe they work on your car.

Tjalle
Guest

Len, I suggest you hook up 12V to the wipers. Remove the upper firewall – 4 screws, and you get access to cable.

If nogo – change drive unit. Easy to get in Sweden from second hand dealer – probably more difficult in the US.

Edvin
Guest

I’ll guess the front of the car just looks like the front from the castriota-designed 9-3, the NG9-5 or the Phoenix concept. However – I’m as excited with NEVS as I were when they used the SAAB brand (in a positive way). Exciting times 🙂 But I would love to see them put the Phoenix concept car at the Saab Car Museum (next to the Aero X) – I’ll missed it at my latest visit to the museum.

Monique Hubrechts
Guest
Monique Hubrechts

Paul said it all. The final count down.

Monique Hubrechts
Guest
Monique Hubrechts

The front of a car is a plastic design grille just one millimetre thick .Most of chrome part of theGM 95 you can wash away with hp water. The 95 is out and need to be scrapped .Followed by the 95 VM.Too much money. Saab is over and out.Even the classics will never reach their status they deserve. Called reality. I wish that NEVS is as succesfull asGEELY and TATA to bring jobs in our region and all local economics. And put bread on the table.

Monique Hubrechts
Guest
Monique Hubrechts

Red J right. Saab brand talking should be closed. But THT plant deserves a reborn. About the Phoenix we have to check about whats on blue paper. Suspension was top. Nevs should open this topic. Although i know most of the clues.

Jasper
Member

New web site owners with the same old crap. Millions of words and opinions but not one freaking new car. How much longer will this false game continue? For my Swedish friends: Ny webbplatsägare med samma gamla skit. Miljontals ord och åsikter men inte en freaking ny bil. Hur mycket längre kommer detta con spel?falska spel?

Jonathan
Admin

Your opinion is appreciated, though I don’t share it. There are no actual new cars from NEVS yet, but I like these “rumour posts” from Red J. These kind of things are fun to speculate on. Though I’m sure we’ll get some more actual info from NEVS here in the future.

And please don’t use Google translate for Swedish. Everyone in Sweden knows English and your translation was really only confusing. 🙂

Jasper
Member

Sorry about the Google Translate. I now remember visiting Sweden and the English fluency. I very much like your comments and am with you. Thank you.

hans
Guest
hans

Not every one in sweden knows english. A very negative comment.

hans
Guest
hans

“stay driven,open minded,self-critical and mostly realistic” And dont act like a school teacher. SK is a saab site for the present owners. Saabs united is now a fellows united site talking to each other as former saab owners.

Jonathan
Admin
My comment was not intended to be negative and I’m sorry if you feel offended by it. My intention was only to let the original poster know that he doesn’t have to translate his comments to Swedish using Google. English has been a mandatory subject in Swedish schools since the early 50’s. Swedes are considered (and tested) as one of the best in the world when it comes to English knowledge (as a foreign language). But sure, not everyone in Sweden knows English. And not everyone in Sweden knows Swedish either. In the end, SaabsUnited is an English spoken/written website,… Read more »
hans
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hans

I was not aware that english was mandatory so early in in your schools. I was aware of about five percent swedish speaking in finland and some sami. I am from belgium where we have three national ones , dutch,french, and german. The north part learned all three, but not the south part. That’s why we have a complicated political structure. Any way if you step out of a car.plane,train in a foreign language country and you can not communicate you are lost in the desert.

Angelo V.
Member

I would be interested in a hybrid version at the right price!

Angelo V.
Member

“But they decided to not to show anything, but instead of that they invited press and the community and so some information about the new car has been filtrated to the net.” Proof positive that they have nothing to show.

Angelo V.
Member
Seems as though Sergio/FIAT are phasing Dodge/Chrysler out. They are completely focused on Jeep and SUVs along with FIAT—–Dodge and Chrysler passenger cars are on the way out. He’s looking for a merger or acquisition—-and I think shedding Dodge and possibly Chrysler is important to making the company leaner and more profitable. The question becomes, will he just kill these divisions off, or will he try to package them or sell one or both? My point is that a real car maker in China—-a big, successful Chinese manufacturer actually making and selling cars, with intentions to expand globally (not NEVS… Read more »
3cyl
Member
Dropping both Dodge and Chrysler would leave FCA without any viable non-truck product in the US unless Fiat and Alfa suddenly vastly broaden their appeal (very unlikely). You may be correct about Dodge though. The new FCA minivan is only being released as a Chrysler even though the previous model had somewhat higher sales in Dodge form vs. the Chrysler version. Also, FCA has some Dodge products they would probably want to keep such as the Challenger which doesn’t really lend itself to being marketed as Fiat whereas a Chrysler badge could work. The reality is though that a leading… Read more »
hans
Guest
hans

What i know about FCA in europe and FPT , fiat powertrain that they are successful with their vans in the us the promaster. Not the alfas. FCA Us keeps things going as said by sergio. He will retire soon. Monique was a fiat fan and me too. However you can not compare FCA with NEVS. But the to expend your car market is a challenge only good people can manage.

Jacko
Member

Oh, another spammer from Belgium, what a coincidence 🙂

Angelo V.
Member

Hans has been around for quite a while—-I think longer than Monique.

Jacko
Member

Bet he drives a LandRover 😉

Jesse Crandle
Member

I don’t know if you’re correct on that, Angelo. If you click his profile it says registered 5 days, 9 hours. Happens to be registered within a day or two of when Monique was banned, also saying things like, “Monique says hello”. I’m about 90% certain it’s just a fake account Monique is using to SPAM again.

But seriously, as much as I’d like to not be rude, is there a way to make a personal filter so I can block myself from seeing these comments? I didn’t want to see Monique’s spam, and now it’s been replaced with Hans.

Angelo V.
Member

Good detective work. But didn’t we have someone named Hans who posted here somewhat regularly? I assumed it was that Hans.

Jesse Crandle
Member
Completely possible, but I don’t believe it was this particular “Hans”. My guess is the name Hans is like the name Bob or Bill, pretty common. “I am from Belgium” as well as “I just pop in this site.” combined with the account being made a day after Monique was banned would seem to indicate our friend Hans here may actually be Monique. Unfortunately for “Hans” he hasn’t learned much from Monique’s chronic spamming of Saabs United. Like I said previously, and I know it’s not very polite of me; I love hearing what people have to say here, but… Read more »
Jonathan
Admin

Apart from the things you’ve listed, Monique and Hans use the exact same IP address. So Hans has now been banned here as well.

hughw
Member
I’m not quite sure why the moderators banned Monique, Sure, she could be off-topic (often). Sure, her posts were pretty convoluted and sometimes almost intelligible English (maybe as a result of Google translate). Sure, she could post incessantly. Sure, she sometimes strongly disagreed with others. But I think she did bring a knowledge and perspective and something different to the site that could be engaging and interesting. I never found that she was nasty or crossed the line. Personally, I think the moderators should rethink their ban and bring her back. It’s good to have a different voice at times.… Read more »
Jonathan
Admin
Jacko
Member

Please don’t compare Angelo to her, he doesn’t deserve it 🙂

Angelo V.
Member

Poor Monique. Poor Hans. Poor Angelo.

Mailr
Member

Now, this is quite interesting, NEVS has bought and restarted the factory that made the 9-3 dashes (Swedfoam). It tells us both where the dashes will be made, and that things are getting close to production (autum 2017).

http://www.ttela.se/näringsliv/nevs/nevs-återstartar-konkurssatt-fabrik-1.3711465

Jonathan
Admin

Yes, it’s interesting. And we wrote about it 3 weeks ago: http://www.saabsunited.com/2016/08/nevs-are-creating-new-jobs-with-phoenix-1-1.html

Angelo V.
Member

Real Estate is a good investment.

tianalfred
Member

1200 km e-range for extended-range version is nothing special (engine starts to work to generate electricity which just depends on the size of the oil tank ) and it is indeed from NEVS newsclips that sent to reporters at NEVS brand release.

hughw
Member

I saw this on saabblog. I read it in google trans. It’s interesting but hard to tell if there is anything new reported about NEVS.
http://saabblog.net/2016/08/25/nevs-phoenix-1-1-und-phoenix-e/

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