But Tim, you’ll acknowledge that the resumption of production of the 9-3 was a joke, right? 160 of them? Seriously? You agree that there wasn’t a genuine effort to market these cars, correct? And producing in the dozens??? Who in the world would have the confidence to spend tens of thousands of dollars on cars with no dealership network? How…[Read more]
Subaru, Mazda and Kia are making some fun cars that match up to your criteria above. They’re not Saabs, but I suspect they’re closer to the spirit of Saab than anything that was on NEVS’ drawing board, in NEVS’ plans.
As for the great girl analogy—-I don’t think she died unexpectedly. I think she’s clinging to life—comatose after an…[Read more]
Tim: You’re right—-I can’t see another bankruptcy either. But saying that this is the second chance Saab needed and there won’t be a third, is pretty harsh. The bankruptcy proceedings in 2012 were mishandled in the estimation of many. Whether you agree with that or not, I think it’s obvious there’s some culpability on the part of the…[Read more]
I think Troels (first comment in the thread) comes the closest to what a “real” Saab is. “Real” Saabs were built when the first ones were produced, all the way through the 1960s. Unique looking, functional, more space on the inside than one would think by looking at the exterior—safe—and most important AFFORDABLE to the average driver. Of…[Read more]
Mick: I agree with you—-that GM poisoned the waters at the end of the Muller era, leaving destruction and not much else. But let’s be clear: NEVS knew what they were buying. NEVS knew what remained and what didn’t. And NEVS was forced in, like hammering a square peg into a round hole so hard, the wooden block was smashed into toothpicks…[Read more]
I agree Joe. It quickly going from a viable, modern platform, fit for a luxury car manufacturer—to a still born idea that will be fodder for the bottom feeders who are trying to go from nothing to something. The bottom feeders might not be able to develop their own new technology, so they will roll the dice on this and hope for a miracle to…[Read more]
Mick: If you’re right that Volvos made in Sweden is a concept living on borrowed time—-all the more reason why Saabs made in India or somewhere else is something the Saab community should accept. If that’s the new world reality—-so be it. Live with it and prosper, or fold the tent. I’d rather see Saab find a way to survive and later…[Read more]
Joe: If Subaru couldn’t pull its weight and pay off for Fugi, there would be no Subaru. They are paying their bills, making money, growing. That could be Saab too—-with the right owner. We obviously don’t have the right owner. Maybe next time we will? If there’s a next time.
Depends on a lot of things—depends on the car and the improvements Saab engineers could manage. Depends on the price. Depends on the promotion/advertising/product positioning/marketing. But if the only choices are closing the book forever or giving badge engineering a try as a last ditch effort to save Saab—rebranded cars as a bridge to…[Read more]
Oh, and selling Saabs in markets that already had people familiar with the brand—customers waiting—-having owned one Saab, two Saabs, half a dozen Saabs—re-entering THAT market and others like it, might have been an easier go than starting with an electric car and trying to build from zero/nothing—-in China. How ridiculous.
They can be. It would be incredible if someone bought Saab for that reason. But I don’t think that’s Mahindra’s intention and I don’t see anyone else interested. But you’re right—–those vehicles, as old as they are, could still sell. Facelift, interior refresh, some new colors—and they would be a fine placeholder in many parts of the…[Read more]
I was being sarcastic about the 200 EVs for China. But as I’ve said in the past, the “volume” will come from rebadging Indian/Chinese/Korean/etc. cars as Saabs on the low end and using the factory in Sweden for higher end Saabs (or whatever they’ll be called now). That can work. Of course, the stupidity of focusing on China needs to be in the…[Read more]
Hey—didn’t NEVS have an order for 200 EVs from China? When are they going to deliver those? I’m sure those suppliers they found for the prototype can come up with 200 more bolt-on parts. Come on, let’s get that order filled, shall we?
There’s still a big, modern factory. There are still engineering specs for a modern platform that is of some technological value to a lot of parties. There are still a couple thousand people who are experienced at building great cars—-many of whom are ready and willing to come back to work. People disagree with me—-but I still believe the…[Read more]
I guess in theory, it’s possible that Mahindra could walk away—-wait for the implosion and then return? If they came back after NEVS is buried, could they still negotiate with SOMEONE for what’s left? I would think if they came to the table with real money, which we know they have—-to make some partial payments to creditors, hire back some…[Read more]
You’re right, but only if you consider what NEVS was doing as “still functioning.” I didn’t see it that way. Whatever they were doing the past two years, it wasn’t in any way, shape or form—-activity to bring Saab back to life—at least not in a way that thousands and thousands of Saab fans, Saab owners, Saab buyers envisioned. NEVS was a…[Read more]
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