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Tuesday Snippets: JÅJ and VM talk product

March 29, 2011 in Editorial, News

While we’ve been talking a lot about Jan Åke’s retirement, Vladimir’s intent to invest in the company, and how certain members of the Swedish press feels that Victor is the antichrist, we may have lost sight of what really matters– the cars. Consummate professionals that they are, Victor and Jan Åke continue to talk to the responsible members of the press about the business plan. They confirm things we already know, but also leak new details about the ePower lineup, partnerships, and drivetrains. Also I take a stab at playing angel’s advocate to Robert Collin and Co.’s devil’s advocate and speculate on another outcome that isn’t often discussed here– the ramifications of Saab’s success on production and partnerships (something I hope we’ll be able to do a lot more of soon).

As you can also see, I’m incoporating an introductory graphic as a quick visual representation of what’s covered so you can get an idea what you’re in for…

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Competition Corner: BMW 3 GT and Volvo C30e

March 25, 2011 in News

This is the first post I’ll be making in what will hopefully become a regular series. While we’re clearly a Saab blog, every now and then it’s nice to keep one eye out on what the competition is cooking up for those interested in seeing what Saab will be facing off against in the future. As relevant stories come up, you’ll hear about them and get our take on what it impact they have on Saab (or what elements were ripped off from them). For those worried that we’ll be serving more articles with Bavarian cream around here fear not, lingonberries remain the topping of choice for our coverage.

First up is what is surely the most direct competitor (or copy) BMW has ever had to the classic 900, the 3 Series GT.

Photo from leftlanenews.com

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Shiny New Site Snippets: Partnerships Edition

March 21, 2011 in News

Aaaarrghhhh that was a long trip. Tim has turned off the fasten your reload icon and everyone is free to comment about the site. Hopefully the server enjoys the naturally cooler temperatures and we can proceed as normal from here on out (although I did notice the toilets flush differently on this side of the globe). All kidding aside, as sad as it is to not be able to check a site located on the opposite side of the earth to most of us, it’s great that our community has migrated just as the company it loves has, home to Trollhättan, Sweden. This is going to be a very exciting ride, and we have been talking behind the scenes about some really fantastic upgrades in the future that should make it even easier for all of us to communicate and stay up to date on all the insider news we’ve come to expect from Swade. On to the snippets–

Saab has made some incredible strides these past few months in lowering their breakeven point not only through leaner operations, but by forming partnerships with established leaders in the business.

Unveiling of BMW 1.6L engine for use in new 9-3.

 

We’re familiar with BMW and their 1.6L engine Saab will be using in the next 9-3.

Still from PhoeniX video showing eXWD components.

 

 

We know all about the joint venture with American Axle to build eXWM hybrid rear axles.

 

ZF Sverige AB's new plant in Kardanvägen, about three miles from the Saab factory in Stallbacka. Photo: Stefan Benn Hage

 

Last week, we learned that one of the most respected automotive suppliers in the world who works with the biggest names in the business (think BMW, Audi, Porsche…Bugatti), ZF Friedrichshafen will work with Saab jointly at ZF Sverige AB to produce advanced front sub-frames and complete rear axles for the new 9-3.

(ZF is also used in the 9-5 with the CDC damping system dual-mass flywheel and clutch).

 

 

 

Parts of Vicura designed gearbox from GM days. Photo: Stefan Benn Hage

This week, ttela.se posted an article about Vicura (english translation) the recently formed company made up of former Saab engineers, that we haven’t heard much about lately. They provide a quick glimpse and interview at how competitive this new company will be when it comes to delivering low cost, ultra efficient, and fast paced solutions– they can do in months what takes some companies years because of their experience and computer modeling workflow. An excellent read, and we’ll be working on getting more information if possible directly from Vicura in an interview piece soon. I’ll be eager to hear what their thoughts and ideas are regarding hybrid and electric drivetrains, seeing they’re behind the single-speed transmission being used in the new Saab ePower.

Prototype weather app in IQon.

While we’ve heard a lot about what IQon is and when we’ll be able to use it in our shiny new 9-3s next year, we haven’t discussed the team working on it too much here. For this new system, Saab has partnered with Cybercom, the IT company that makes solutions for a wide variety of uses from online banking solutions to digital music software for the worlds largest mobile phone operator, China Mobile. While their name may make them sound like a front to Dr. Evil’s secret Volcano compound (I forget, maybe it was Robocom or Decepticom), they’re actually a Malmö based company established in designing and maintaining integrated technology solutions. The good news is they’re actively engaged and established in the app world on both iOS and Android platforms (here’s a safety app they’ve been partnering on for example), and while they’re focused on the Mobile Application management side of the equation (software), they also have hardware reference designs ready to go to speed the IQon software into reality. While there’s still plenty of work left to do, Saab’s timeline of 18 months suddenly sounds very doable after learning more about Cybercom. This is another company we’re eagerly interested in talking with in addition to Johan Formgren, Head of Saab Aftersales and commercial project leader for IQon. While I’m very excited about the prospects of IQon, I’m also very concerned about interoperability issues, driver distraction, the app ecosystem, and carrier/network plans just to name a few. Maybe (hopefully) by listening to our community’s concerns we might be able to help Saab engineers and Cybercom programmers streamline and enhance this piece of technology we all will probably encounter on our next cars.

All in all, it’s clear that Saab’s new model of joint development and partnerships is a clear example of how to run a modern corporation. This is exciting stuff, folks.

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In other news, Saabs United friend Ray Wert who edits Jalopnik chimed in on a list of 11 cars that can make you cool. A Spyker C8 Aileron got the cover shot:

“The Spyker C8 Aileron is pretty flashy, but its authentic aviation-inspired engineering and design elements keep it in the cool column.”

If that’s the case, I hope Saab really plays up its own aviation-inspired elements in models to come.

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There was a short blog post on the values of bankruptcy on restoring a company’s value and its effect on the economy on Forbes this weekend too. It’s mostly an opinion piece, and while I agree with much of it (Saab is much leaner now due to the restructuring process), I disagree that certain elements of its liquidation helped. I’m not sure how much the author knew or cared about the details of the process though, as he refers to Victor Muller’s company as Stryker.

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An article on Wards Auto explains the various challenges Saab is facing as it tries to boost its sales in the US. It’s actually a great read and the best summary of what’s going on in the US market I’ve seen since Saab was sold and I think everyone interested in a fair and accurate assessment of what’s going on should read it. Several dealers who are friends of the site are quoted, check it out. My main confidence booster:

Saab spokesman Chris Wiseman tells Ward’s a market-specific plan for promoting the auto maker’s products in the U.S. is taking shape, closely involving dealers and a variety of mediums.

“We’re working on a plan of attack,” Wiseman says.

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In case you missed this viral video on the interwebs, a very bored guy tried to recreate the famous Lexus commercial from 1989 where an LS cruises past 140 mph on a dynamometer without toppling a pyramid of champagne glasses. Lexus’s social media department caught wind of it and created their own video to show exactly how it’s done (you have to level the glasses first, doh!). Either way, as much disdain as I have for Lexus, this kind of quick reaction actually impresses me. It makes me even happier to have Swade as Saab’s new social media guru, knowing he is tasked with making sure all Saab owners and fans worldwide feel like they’re the company’s #1 priority going forward.
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Speaking of Swade, he’s reached celebrity status on thelocal.se’s site:

Not to be outdone, TimR’s getting in on the action too at ttela.se (english version).

We’re lucky that the site is in such safe hands with Tim. I couldn’t be happier to be writing for SaabsUnited, and working with such committed writers. Even though we’ve hit some turbulence with our new server, we’re working on it and I can tell there are smooth skies ahead. Enjoy the flight.

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Monday Snippets

February 21, 2011 in Saabology

For those Swedes who like their cars to be green, Preem are launching a new diesel variant that’s either 16% or 20% more environmentally friendly (depending on how you read the literature).

Describing the development of the product, which hits the market in April, as “unique”, the firm claims that Preem Evolution diesel reduces carbon dioxide emissions by 16 percent due to the fact that a fifth of the raw material is tall oil.

“New thinking on green solutions lies behind the development of the Evolution diesel. The tall oil has hitherto been regarded as waste by the forest industry. Through innovative thinking and co-operation it has been developed into a renewable resource,” the firm said in a statement.

The product is developed from processing a residue extracted from black liquor in pulp mills and is the result of six years of research and costing the firm more than 300 million kronor ($47 million).

The diesel is identical to fossil diesel molecularly, but is made up of 20 percent renewables, thus qualifying it for tax free status in Sweden and thus comparable in price to regular diesel.

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Don’t blink as you’ll miss it, but here’s our mate Etienne and his Saab 99 in the Boucles de Spa over the weekend.

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k4AJqABr-w

From what I can tell of the updates on the Saablog-in website, Etienne completed the course and finished 20th of 140 vehicle in the class.

An excellent effort by the world’s happiest Saab fan (anyone who’s met Etienne will know what I mean)

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If you’re in North America (I think it may be cost-prohibitive otherwise and I’d recommend Maptun anyway) and you have a Saab 9-3 V6 and you haven’t already got a solution to your need for a fatter downpipe and midpipe on your exhaust, then some people at SaabCentral would like to hear from you. They’re looking for 25 people to get a job lot made up.

The thread starts here and ‘kanundrum’ from SC got in touch asking if I’d pass the word around. Consider it passed.

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A little while ago I invited you to participate in some Saaby Student Research. A series of questions were posed and I’d like to thank the many people who completed the questionnaire and sent it to me via email.

I can pass on that I did indeed pass them along to Robin M, who in turn passed them over to the young student concerned.

More than that, though, Jette (the young lady conducting the research) went up to Robin’s neck of the woods over the weekend and a group of Southwest Saab Club members got together to provide more answers, and a few photos as well.

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BMW ownership can come at a price some aren’t willing/able to pay here in Australia.

So much so that it actually made the news over the weekend.

BMW is pursuing hundreds of Australians in bankruptcy proceedings over luxury vehicles collectively worth up to $18 million, as dreams of enjoying opulent lifestyles crash.

The social aspirants now face losing their luxury vehicles and possibly their homes to repay massive debts to car financing giant BMW Finance…..

…..The Sunday Herald Sun inspected 32 BMW actions in the Federal Magistrates’ Court, where the debts ranged from $8000 to $190,000, with most in the $30,000-plus range.

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Thursday Night Snippets – Hi-Po edition

February 10, 2011 in Saabology

This is slightly embarrassing for me as I prefer the public stuff to be about Saab and about you and your Saabs, but I can’t not post these after a few mates went to the trouble of shooting them and sending them in.

These two blokes are good mates of mine and regulars here at SU. One I’ve met in person and the other I’ll definitely buy dinner for next time I’m in Germany.

From deep in the heart of BMW country, this is Till72 and Olaf95 having their own little SaveSU Convoy :-)

The two black cars belong to the Till72 family and the white 9-5 belongs to Olaf.

Incidentally, those two are off to the Saab Arctic Adventure up in northern Sweden this weekend. I’m expecting Olaf’s photographic work to be outstanding and I know Till’s going to have some fun to report.

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The ex-GM Heritage Collection Saab 9-3 Viggen for sale on Ebay is now up to $18,600 though the reserve is still to be reached.

Whoa!

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“Hey, Fatboy!”

Pic from Autoforum, via Facebook.

And for those thinking I’m being a little sizeist there, zip it. I’m as big as any of you.

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Speaking of the Teutonic competition, this article from Bloomberg does a good job of spelling out just how much demand there is for larger luxury vehicles.

Audi AG buyers must wait an average of three to four months for cars like the $52,700 A6 sedan as the company runs factories at full steam in an effort to keep pace with record demand, sales chief Peter Schwarzenbauer said.

“If sales continue to grow like this, it’ll be difficult to say how long it could take to reduce waiting times,” Schwarzenbauer said yesterday in a phone interview from Audi’s headquarters in Ingolstadt, Germany. “We’re working at full capacity at our plants and may add extra shifts on Saturdays.”

Many of might consider the 9-5 to be too big, but there’s definitely a big market for cars like this when the manufacturer gets the formula right.

Thanks to Curvin for the tip!

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Norwegian magazine prognosticates on the possibility of a smaller Saab…..

Hit that link to see just how much like a Mini they think this car will be.

I say “No”

Thanks Bjarte!

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And finally, for all you hardcore Hi-Po Saab advocates, here’s your Hi-Po Saab – and it’s even dragracing sportscars and winning!!

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErTYrVy_jzk

Off to it!

h/t to Andy Rupert for finding that one.

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Saab 9-5 vs BMW 523i – quick comparison

November 30, 2010 in Saabology

I don’t think you’ll need Spanish lessons to understand this.

Thanks EduSaab!

Click.

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Friday morning BIG snippets – 9-4x engine edition

October 8, 2010 in News

Just received confirmation this morning that – for the US market at least – the Saab 9-4x will come with two six-cylinder engine options, not a four-cylinder as has been previously mentioned on some websites around the traps.

The two six cylinder engines will by the 3.0L normally aspirated direct injection engine and the 2.8T as per the Saab 9-5. Essentially, the same engine offerings as in the Cadillac SRX.

There will be five trim levels offered, similar to the 9-3 setup in the US. Base FWD, Base XWD, Premium FWD, Premium XWD and Aero.

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From Ola at Bloomberg today:

Saab Automobile, the Swedish carmaker owned by Spyker Cars NV, aims to start selling cars in China, Russia, Brazil and Mexico in the first half of next year, its sales chief said in an interview…..

….In China, Saab is talking to “numerous potential partners,” including Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Co., which last December bought technologies from Saab for about $200 million. “BAIC is part of the process but they’re not the guaranteed distribution partner, far from it,” Hallmark said.

For now Saab is only seeking a distribution deal in China, and next year it may study whether local production would be feasible, he said.

“If we only import cars to China I think we can sell 2,000 to 5,000 cars a year,” he said. “If we build cars in China it could be 50,000-plus cars per year.” Saab sold 860 cars in China in 2008, the last year it had a presence there…..

…..Hallmark declined to identify any other potential new distribution partners. For Russia, Saab is holding discussions with four candidates, while for Brazil and Mexico it’s talking to a total of 15 companies, said Hallmark

There are more details at the link above, but I know some people are very keen to know about these markets, particularly Russia.

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Hilton Holloway’s brain is like the venus flytrap of car facts. He doesn’t miss a thing, which is why he’s the first one to point out how Saab has come full circle with it’s latest engine deal with BMW.

A very good read. He seems to have a Sixth Sense for these kinds of facts.

Thanks Sven!

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UPDATE:

Motor Trend have had their first test of the new Saab 9-5:

Weirdness aside, the 9-5 enthralled a majority of our staff with a stylish, functional, and roomy interior, not to mention a contemporary façade that would not be out of place on the cover of a book highlighting great moments in Scandinavian design. Car of the Year guest judge Chris Theodore observes, “The exterior is modern with smooth flowing surfaces, yet still looks uniquely Saab.” Technical director Frank Markus on the interior: “Feels like a Saab right to its core — dash shape, far overhanging windshield header, night panel — and I like the user interface. Most stuff can be done on the touch screen but just enough buttons are offered below to get you to the frequently used functions.”

Once we figured out how to get its turbo V-6 breathing, we took the 9-5 to the test track. We were not disappointed. Weighing a somewhat porky 4238 pounds, the 9-5 Aero nonetheless turned in a slew of respectable numbers.

They also complain about the positioning of the Night Panel switch because it’s in a similar position to where others put their ignition.

Oh, Saab, why are you so, so quirky?

We’re not. We can’t help it if others do it wrong :-)

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I got an email today from Kelley Kelly, owner of Kelly Cadillac Saab in Lancaster PA. They had a surprise visitor at their dealership today – Victor Muller!

He made a surprise visit this morning to “rally the troops”. He was very please to discuss the joint venture that Saab entered into with BMW and about all of the exciting new products on the horizon!

That’s the sort of thing I like to hear :-)

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JAJ and VM video from the Saab/BMW press conference

September 30, 2010 in News

Saab have released another video from the press conference held yesterday to announce the engine deal between Saab and BMW.

It contains short commentaries from Jan-Ake Jonsson and Victor Muller, where they speak about the deal and what it means for Saab.

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Wednesday Night Snippets – Saab/BMW press conference video

September 30, 2010 in Saabology

Before I kick off with these quick snippets, can I just take a moment to remind everyone of the comments policy for this website.

Your consideration of and adherence to the comments policy makes administering and publishing this site a heck of a lot easier (and more pleasurable).

Hint: the respect section applies to Saab as well. Constant carping about how such-and-such an announcement isn’t good enough for you is kinda disrespectful to a company that was nearly dead just seven months ago. Everyone at this company is busting a gut, doing their absolute best to bring great new Saabs to market for as many people as possible to enjoy.

Listen to the first 5 minutes of the video, below, to hear just how far they’ve come.

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Now that’s over and done with….

I have it on pretty good authority that the Saab-related news from the Paris Auto Show is not over quite yet.

I won’t give away the full details, but how do the words “Entrepreneur of the Year” sound?

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The big ticket item in this snippets entry is the video from the press conference earlier today.

Enjoy. (and thanks Wulf for the tip in comments).

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The Saab Club of Spain participated in a track day last weekend at Jarama’s racing circuit (in Madrid). Some old 900′s and 9000′s came out to play, looking fantastic in formation…..

…..and that’s not all. Check out who else came along for a ride…..

Thanks to Carlos D, via mail.

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It was always going to come and indeed, it came quickly…….thanks Jacco!

Saab BMW badge

If the new Saab 9-3 with the BMW-sourced engine is released on 1 September 2012, I reckon these badges will be on Ebay by 2 September :-)

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Notes from Saab/BMW press conference

September 29, 2010 in News, Saabology

Following are my Twitter notes from the press conference and question time today, in relation to the Saab/BMW engine supply agreement.

Important: These tweets are in reverse chronological order, so start at the bottom and read up.

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It’s the engine that’s in the MINI currently on the streets. – BMW guy
half a minute ago via Chromed Bird

BMW guy – a step along strategic journey. See Saab as a manufacturer of reasonable volume, step up from the low volume they’ve doing so far
less than a minute ago via Chromed Bird

“One of the most important milestones since we acquired the company, and in past years” – VM
3 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

VM – BMW and Saab have pretty different customers (except Richo….)
3 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

VM – talking brand DNA. Bringing it back. Responsible performance, turbo. BMW is a partner that can help achieve that objective
3 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Saab’s volumes don’t make it affordable to manufcture their own engines now.
4 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

…..this opportunity to select what they want
5 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

JAJ – this is a step in migrating away from GM. But GM still provide good stuff, 9-5 is an outstanding package, but they’re using ….
5 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

BMW aiming to push the envelope with performance and sustainability which is why Saab chose this engine (BMW dude)
7 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Customers want performance and green solutions. BMW perfect for this (JAJ)
9 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Prospective output…Will have discussion as to what sort of performance they want to deliver with the 9-3
9 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

….answering in Swedish again…..
11 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

………. damn silent questions…….
11 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Too early to put a number on the number of engines they’ll be buying, but several hundred-thousand over the life cycle of the new 9-3
12 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

BMW guy – he’s talking and it sounds like Saab will benefit from stop-start stuff associated with this engine (not completely sure on that)
13 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

VM: BMW are #1 premium carmaker in the world. Saab will benefit by association as well as getting good engine
14 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

VM – We’re going to take positions to shape our own future and don’t rely on others to take those decisions
15 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Q: Can we afford this? A: Business plan is fully funded and new 9-3 is part of that plan
16 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Is this agreement part of reducing dependence on GM. Answer – it’s about getting the right engines more than dependence.
17 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Answering in Swedish – poop! English, Jan-Ake, English!!!
20 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Questions will be followed by short interview session
21 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Question time now……
21 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Still too early to tell what will happen with Saab 92.
21 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

You will be able recognise the next Saab 9-3 as a new Saab even if it had no badges on it
22 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Represents confirmation in the market that Saab is here to stay
23 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Saab has achieved a lot in 7 months. Bursting at the seams
23 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

“A landmark” – only 7 months into owning Saab and we have a deal with one of the best premium marques. Very proud.
23 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Talking about the perfect storm again. Should just hand out the DVD
24 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Had a wonderful time doing this deal
25 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

VM up now.
25 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Wishes Saab every success as it’s good for BMW too.
25 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Exploring other opportunities between BMW and Saab
25 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

200hp engine and award winning piece. To be manufactured at Hams Hall in UK
26 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

“We share passionate customers who care about vehicles and powertrains”
26 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Part of BMW long term plan to sell tech.
27 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Wet in Munich. Sunny in THN. yeah.
28 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

BMW guy up and talking now…..
28 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Exploring other things with BMW but not ready to talk about those yet.
29 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

Doing feasibility for BioPower.
29 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

BMW engine Expected to deliver around 200hp
30 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

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Press Release: Saab Automobile and BMW enter agreement for supply of gasoline engines

September 29, 2010 in News

Prelude to the press conference to be held later today….

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Saab Automobile and BMW enter agreement for supply of gasoline engines

  • Engines with latest fuel savings innovations to be used in future generation Saabs
  • Major step towards successful future as independent company

Trollhättan, Sweden: Today, Saab Automobile and BMW announced an agreement for the supply of engines to be used in next-generation Saab vehicles. Under the purchase, supply and development agreement, BMW will supply Saab with 4-cylinder 1.6 liter turbocharged gasoline engines from 2012. The engines will be adapted to meet Saab’s specific requirements.

The contract was signed on Wednesday in Trollhättan, Sweden. Participating in the signing were Saab Automobile CEO Jan Åke Jonsson, Saab Automobile Chairman Victor Muller and Ian Robertson, Member of the Board of Management of BMW AG, responsible for Sales and Marketing.

Announcing the deal, Saab Automobile CEO Jan Åke Jonsson said: “It gives me great pleasure to confirm this exciting new relationship. BMW’s engines and their fuel savings innovations are widely regarded as a benchmark in the premium segment. We look forward to integrating this technology into our next-generation vehicles in a true Saab way.”

Victor Muller, Chairman of Saab Automobile, said: “This is a major step for Saab on our road to becoming a profitable independent premium car maker. In line with our strategy, we will continue to capitalize on our own engineering expertise while also working with the very best partners. Both parties are open to explore further opportunities as part of this relationship in the future.”

Ian Robertson, Executive Sales and Marketing Director of BMW, added: “We are continuing to expand our powertrain system sales business worldwide as planned as part of our Strategy Number ONE. Today’s agreement marks another important milestone along this route. We are delighted to support Saab with our engine expertise. Our engines have a clear lead over the competition when it comes to fuel consumption, emissions and performance.”

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Saab press conference set for 11:15am Wednesday

September 29, 2010 in News

I was a little uncertain as to when this was all happening, so one phone call later, I’ve got the date and time confirmed.

The Saab press conference to (allegedly :-) ) announce co-operation with BMW on unspecified parts supply is due to take place in Trollhattan on Wednesday, Sept 29 at 11:15am trolltime.

Through comments, I notice that BMW have now confirmed that they will have a spokesman present at the conference. That’s through the TT news agency (Thanks Jr!!)

A person from BMW’s chief executive faces must be part of the Saab in Trollhättan news conference on Wednesday, according to BMW spokesman Marc Hassing.

“We have been invited and will be there,” he said.

Info coming through to me is that the deal will most likely not be confined to diesel powerplants, but to gasoline engines as well. Early indications are that the engines will be destined for first use in the next generation of the Saab 9-3.

The other big item that’s potentially on the agenda is the use of a vehicle architecture for the development of a Saab 92 – Victor Muller’s dream compact Saab. Reports around the traps seem to suggest that the underpinnings of the Mini Countryman could be a likely candidate. I’ve got no inside running on this.

So, we wait, and wonder……. it should be an exciting day for the future of Saab.

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Update on Saab/BMW co-operation story

September 27, 2010 in News

Let’s draw together a few news stories and see if we can’t navigate through and see what’s going on.

News services have finally reached Victor Muller for a comment, to which they basically received a big “no comment”.

“– It’s all based on rumours and speculation that we can not comment. Nothing has been signed. Until everything’s presented and done, it’s not done, Victor Muller says.

If it were all hot air, they would have got a “No”, rather than a ‘no comment’.

Why the semantics with words? Well, Spyker’s a company listed on the stock exchange. Victor can’t say something’s done until it IS done and he can’t deny it if it’s about to be done. Such actions would affect the share price and could get people into trouble.

Spykers shares have already risen on the speculation and would probably rise a little more if it were confirmed.

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AutoWeek.nl are claiming that the deal will be not only for an architecture to build the Saab 92, but also some engines, most notably for the coming Saab 9-4x.

They say Saab will acquire BMW diesels for the 9-4x. A good competitive diesel will be essential for marketing the car in Europe.

They also state there could be some BMW engines powering the Saab 9-3 and they mention the word “soon”, indicating they think that this could come before the next generation of the car goes from being just a twinkle in Jason Castriota’s eye.

I’ve got no information one way or the other about this. The 92 and 9-4x stories make sense and seem realistic (it might take a little while to get a Beamer diesel into the 9-4x, though, as it wasn’t designed for it).

The 9-3 story would be nice, but seems just a touch too much for this little enthusiast to hope for.

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Interesting times, people. Interesting times.

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Dutch Report – Saab to work with BMW

September 27, 2010 in News

Breaking News.

More to come, but here’s a screenshot…..

A Dutch radio station has reported that a contract will be signed in Sweden tomorrow between BMW and Saab. The exact nature of the co-operation is not known at this time but may come out in subsequent reports.

Saab-BMW Dutch report

More to be added as it comes to hand…… and bear in mind that this is unconfirmed. I have a feeling it will stay that way (i.e. that it’s true but there won’t be a comment until it’s announced formally).

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UPDATE:

From Reuters:

AMSTERDAM, Sept 27 (Reuters) – Car makers Saab and BMW (BMWG.DE) will start cooperating to give the Swedish loss-making manufacturer access to BMW’s technology and parts, Dutch public broadcaster NOS said on Monday.

Saab, which was bought early this year by Dutch luxury car maker Spyker (SPYKR.AS) from U.S.-based General Motors [GM.UL], and BMW are scheduled to sign the deal on Wednesday, NOS said, citing sources at the two car makers.

In June, a Swedish daily reported that Saab was in talks with BMW to use its engines and transmissions in a new version of the 9-2 model. [ID:nLDE65A0Q5]

Spyker Cars Chief Executive later told Reuters in June that he was in talks with several potential partners and that a decision could be expected by year-end. [ID:nLDE65K0X4]

Spyker, which was loss-making last year, could not comment immediately. BMW was not immediately available to comment.

(Reporting by Gilbert Kreijger and Maria Sheahan; Editing by Mike Nesbit)

Not much new there. Based on a report already below.

Thanks WooDz

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UPDATE:

Video from NOS (in Dutch).

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UPDATE:

Googletrans from FD.nl

Carmakers BMW and Saab announced Wednesday a long partnership. The Swedish car manufacturer buys technology from the German BMW.

This message is based on ‘reliable sources’ within both automakers. Both companies want nothing to say about the deal yet.

For Saab, the purchase of technology is an important part of the strategy to regain profitability. The company still has enough knowledge and resources to independently develop new cars.

BMW sells certain techniques in order to obtain an additional income.

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UPDATE II:

A Gooletrans of the original NOS report (screenshot above):

Saab and BMW will cooperate on technology. That is what NOS has heard from sources at the two car brands. Wednesday, the signatures [will be] put to the agreement.

It is intended that Saab will buy parts and technology from BMW. Saab wants in the coming years with BMW technology to focus on building a smaller car.

The Saab was divested earlier this year by General Motors, and the small Dutch car manufacturer Spyker Victor Muller took over. Saab is now [making losses], but hopes to come out of the red in 2012.

Thanks to Patrick V for the tip!

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by Swade

Rumourmill: Saab looking to BMW for engines, transmissions

June 10, 2010 in News

A few days ago, Jan-Erik Berggren from Gothenburg had a quote from Saab’s Powertrain guru, Kjell AC Bergstrom, pointing to some possibility of Saab partnering with companies ‘to the south’ in various ways.

A Dutch newspaper has indicated today that that company could be BMW. Googletrans:

Saab goes into the sea with BMW

They themselves still keep their lips tightly [closed]. But it now seems certain that Saab, approximately three months after the restart, has taken serious steps to get away from ……GM technology.

CEO Victor Muller will apparently soon change. A number of signs – such as visits by management to Munich – notes that the Dutch-Swedish car builder [plans to] partner with BMW. It is obvious that the focus after the first step in component could focus on engines, transmissions and Environment (technologies?) of the German premium brand. The idea of cooperation in the field of [a planned] small Saab imposes itself.

Bear in mind that this is some speculation on their part, but it’s what you might call well reasoned speculation.

Saab do want to move to other partners for engines and architectures and BMW would be a good one to move with. I believe that one of the Swedish motoring publications shone some light on similar rumours a few months ago, so it’s fair to say that evidence is gathering.

It’d be a great move for Saab, especially with a smaller Saab planned but not yet paid for. To partner with a company known for its engines almost as much as for it’s chassis would be quite a coup. It helps BMW move a little more volume in their powertrain and it allows Saab to cut development costs.

But until it’s official, it’s all speculation. The rumours are mounting but they’re still just rumours until there’s an announcement of some sort.

Thanks to Tim W for the link.

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