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Saab’s technology, top or flop?

September 20, 2011 in Saabology

After my visit at the IAA I’ve started reviewing some of the press kits the different brands were so keen to distribute among the press people during the press days of the motor show. Too bad I started collecting the press kits on the second day, as many brands ran out of them and the only one I got was a visit card with a web-address to their media site.

But for some of Saab direct competitors I have the information I wanted. No this time I will not talk about the current product portfolio, or about visionary prototypes on the mobility in the future like the VW NILS, this time I will talk about technology other brands will introduce in normal cars in the near future and compare this with announcements Saab has already made about their future plans.

So let us check if Saab can be competitive in terms of technology or not.

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Volvo throws down gauntlet with V60 plug-in hybrid – can Saab pick it up?

February 23, 2011 in Saabology

Around five years ago now, Saab unveiled a concept car at the Stockholm Motor Show. It was just after the Geneva Salon of 2006, and consequently it got lost in the backwash of the stunning Aero X concept.

That car was the Saab 9-3 BioPower Hybrid – a hybrid car in a Saab 9-3 Convertible body. What wasn’t known widely at the time (and still isn’t) is that that concept car was also intended to be presented as a plug-in hybrid vehicle. GM ordered the press release to be changed and it’s rumoured that the plug cover – the rear badge – was glued shut.

So….. the concept of a plugin hybrid running in concert with environmentally friendly fuel isn’t a totally foreign concept where Saab is concerned. The only thing is, they haven’t actually built one yet.

And apparently Volvo have.

The Volvo V60 Plug-in Hybrid combines rear electric motors with a regular diesel engine at the front to consume just 1.9 litres of diesel per 100km, emitting just 49g/km of CO2 when in hybrid mode.

The diesel engine produces 150kW and 440Nm and the electric motors at the back add another 50kW and 200Nm, meaning this car will have the capacity to drive ‘big’ when needed.

It also has three switchable modes – electric, hybrid and diesel, meaning it can run purely off the fuel engine, the electric engine, or a combination of the two.

The car will go on sale in 2012 (they don’t say when in 2012).

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Saab’s 9-3 replacement vehicle will go on sale in the last quarter of 2012.

Saab’s 9-3 replacement will have a new rear-drive electric propulsion system to work in conjunction with a fossil fuel motor at the front.

Volvo have chosen an existing vehicle for their new groundbreaking drivetrain, which means they can show it now. Saab will be using an all-new vehicle, which means we won’t see it for some time.

The big question is – can Saab do something as compelling as what this Volvo seems to be? Will it offer a plug-in charging capability? Does it need to? Do Saab’s engineers have any more tricks up their sleeve? Can they bring a new dimension to the marketplace in 18 months from now?

I’m pretty sure they can, but it will be very interesting to watch.

Thanks Jeff, for the Volvtip

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWQEacZfqHQ

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Saab trademarks – IQon and eXWD

February 21, 2011 in News

EduSaab has been keeping an eye on trademark developments and has noted two new Saab trademarks being registered in the last six months or so.

IQon:

Apparatus for regulating and controlling electric functions of vehicles; on board vehicle electronic systems, namely interactive vehicle control system for integrating, managing and providing driver access to functions of vehicle navigation system; entertainment system; telephones; vehicle environmental information and control systems for heating and cooling systems in vehicles.

Swade’s read: Pronounced ‘icon’, this should be the system that controls various user systems in your car, as well as integrating your personal device (i.e. your phone) with your vehicle. Look for a lot more integratation and access from the Saab 9-3 replacement vehicle late in 2012.

OS? My bet is Android.

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eXWD:

Reproduction of the mark where the mark is represented in standard characters.

Used on: Motor vehicles, namely, automobiles, sport utility vehicles, trucks, vans, engines therefor and structural parts thereof.

Swade’s read: Again, applicable to the Saab 9-3 replacement vehicle, eXWD will relate to the electronic rear drive system being developed by e-AAM, a system that will make its debut on the 9-3 replacement vehicle.

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Geneva invitation hints at four premieres for Saab

February 11, 2011 in Saabology

Last month I wrote a post spelling out the new Saabs we can expect to see in 2011 and at which show we might see them.

I’m not sure how right I was, but by the looks of the 2011 Geneva Motor Show invitation, there might not be a lot left for later on in the year. Geneva’s going to be HUGE!

If the imagery on the invitation is deliberate – and one would have to think it is – then we will see four vehicle debuts at the Geneva Motor Show:

UPDATE: I’m a cock.

Just look up the freaking web address on the image, which I completely overlooked because I was too excited playing detective. It spells out which model is which. At least I got them right.

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These invitations were sent out in the last day or so and this one was forwarded to me by the guys at Dimini.ch (who sell the best Saab scale models you’ll ever see – I’ve just ordered a 900 Turbo and a 99Turbo to add to my collection and will pick them up in Geneva).

Ok, so what are we looking at here?

I believe the draping is deliberately constructed to give us a hint as to what we’re looking at. Obviously, showing some color and vehicle feature is part of the ploy.

Closest to ‘camera’ we have the Saab 9-5 wagon. No prizes there.

Furthest from camera we have the Saab Design Concept that they’ll unveil there to show the general direction that Saab Design will take under Jason Castriota. That car’s completely unknown, hence the drapery hiding absolutely everything.

That leaves two other cars in the middle.

My guess is that the second car, in a shade of what looks to be almost an orange-red color, is the Saab 9-3 Independence Edition convertible. The color of that vehicle is ‘Sunset Red’ and that orangey-red color looks very sunsettish to me.

I predicted a NY Auto Show debut for that one as it’s expected to go on sale in May. Given that Independence Day is this month, however, maybe it’s pointless holding the vehicle beyond Geneva.

The third vehicle?

Possibly the Griffin Edition Saab 9-3 that we might see MY2011.5?

I don’t know, but it’ll sure be one hell of an interesting show.

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Saab 9-3 Griffin spotted in Trollhattan

February 9, 2011 in Saabology

UPDATE: Now with video!

If these cars are out on the streets, they will be seen. If they can be seen, they can be photographed.

Below we have what appears to be a Saab 9-3 Griffin. The Griffin is part of the enhanced model range that we believe will carry the 9-3 through to the end of it’s life when an all-new 9-3 replacement vehicle comes. This photo gives you a better look at the new front bumper treatment, with the bigger and more 9-5-like front foglight surrounds. As the car is in Java Metallic, the black surrounds aren’t as easy to see as they would be if it’s a lighter color, but they’re there.

The changes are subtle, but there, and it does look a bit racier. You’ll also note the Griffin badging on the side (which is the biggest giveaway of all).

Comparative image of a 2011 Saab 9-3 in Java, below…..

The 9-3 Griffin is said to have some subtle interior upgrades as well, with the biggest change to the car being the installation of the same direct injected 2.0T engine as in the Saab 9-5 making 220hp instead of the current 210 with better economy expected as well.

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyoQl7VldHA

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Djup Strupe and the Saab 9-3 replacement

February 8, 2011 in Saabology

You know that I’ve already seen pictures of the Saab 9-3 replacement.

If you saw that entry, then you got to read my initial positivity to what I saw, even if I couldn’t talk about it much except to say that I’d seen it.

Someone else saw it recently, and this is what he said…..

Today I got to see a single photo of the new 9-3. It was a rear quarter view from the left side. I can only say that from the little I saw, it looks to be a home run!

The good news is that it is all Saab. The car was a five door hatchback. It looked like a true Saab, modern, but the look of the 900 prior to the GM 900. I think it will be a winner with both Saab owners and younger buyer, 28-45 year old buyers.

My thanks to Djup Strupe for the thoughts…..

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One man’s thoughts – manufacturing the essence of Saab

February 7, 2011 in Editorial

I received this from Jon C via email last week, as the SU Hi-Po Challenge was drawing to a close. Jon doesn’t propose a Hi-Po model framework here. He doesn’t give his version of what a halo Saab might look like.

What he does do, however, is take a brief look at what Audi did to develop their model line over time and what Saab might be able to take from this.

It’s a good thinking piece and I thank Jon for sending it in.

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I have been thinking a lot this past week, whilst the HiPo challenge was concluding. It prompted me to do something I promised Swade I would do about 3 years ago. That was to share some insights I gathered while working for a dealer group comprising;
Volkswagen, Seat, Saab, Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, Volvo, BMW/Mini, Seat and – rather oddly – Suzuki (which was managed by the BMW franchise).

I pretty much saw each of the dealerships front to back and met some great and not-so-great people. I made one friendship that remains to this day. Some of it was fun and some of it a total nightmare. Trying to trace a water leak on an RS6 will stay with me ‘til the day I die. The fact that when we traced the leak we found it was leaking at the other end as well pretty much finished me off.

Lets go back to 1992. I was at Uni, my fellow countrymen were killing each other with depressing regularity and Sweden won the world ice hockey championships. Audi fields a range of 5 cars, BMW 4 and Mercedes 5 (I am discounting estates etc. as distinct models). The local Saab showroom contained a total of 2 display cars and had one service ramp. It was a different time, maybe even a different world.

In the world of today Audi, BMW and Mercedes are the industry leaders while Saab is on the painful road to health. What I want to address is why these companies succeeded (specifically Audi). I don’t intend to look at where Saab failed, that’s a painful can of worms that has been opened many times before.

Firstly, Audi know where they have been, where they are going and where they want to be. Audi looked at what creates prestige and the two biggest factors were driver appeal and product. Motorsport and heritage were well down the list. Audi also knew from prior research that “perceived” quality was far more important than actual quality when selling a car and generating an image. Their research found that if, for example the car had a well constructed glove box, the customer subconsciously figures out that the gearbox will be equally well built and therefore more reliable. It’s the same factor that makes SUV drivers think that their car is safer. Not logical but people aren’t always logical.

Thus you will remember in the mid 90s things like damped grab handles and clever boot/trunk hinges appearing on German cars. The public perceived that Audis were better built than their competitors. You may argue, but I respectfully suggest the sales figures support Audis research.

Secondly, they made desirable cars. Hard to remember now but think of the impact that the TT made when it was launched. It was similar to the “ipod” effect. As people who were perceived to be trendsetters bought the car, potential customers who previously dismissed Audis as “old men’s cars” now felt comfortable with the idea of owning a TT and any other type of Audi. People who would not enter a Saab, BMW or Mercedes showroom. Combined with the A3 this means that those first customers are now moving into A4s, A6s and A8s. Audi will have customers who have never driven anything else and have no inclination to do so.

Thirdly, they marketed and publicised shrewdly. Princess Diana drove an Audi convertible. Sales in London rocketed. They made sure A8s were on side for chauffer duties at awards and major sporting events (if its good enough for movie stars…)
They run careful, well-respected advertising campaigns cementing brand awareness (where the product and message take centre stage, the slogan is incidental).

Lastly, customer service. Cars can go wrong, things can go wrong but the manufacturer must step up and support the dealer in fixing problems. That builds trust.

The interesting thing is that the cars are regularly criticised by the press (at least in the UK) and always come second to BMW at best. The public don’t seem to care.

So my message to Saab? (A big presumption on my part, that my opinion matters).

Keep doing what you are doing. Desirable product will always find success. High power models and advertising slogans are “quick fixes” that never last (if you even fool them in the first place). I do not suggest that Saab copy Audi – they must find their own way – but mistakes from the past must not be repeated. For example AMG, S Line, M Sport, all clearly defined sub brands while Saab has Aero, Viggen, Carlsson, TurboX. The sheep (sadly the people we need to pay the bills) need a clear strategy from the brand from top to bottom (and I think we are on the right road).

I make no comment on whether Saab needs more horsepower or lighter cars but I will tell you that in a world where BMW is dropping rwd on the 1 series (because the customers don’t care), the big 3 are dropping V8s and Porsche is developing hybrids we (and Saab) must not be dogmatic. We must hold onto what is important – the essence of Saab – but we must also move with the times.

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Saab aiming to cut weight in future cars

January 24, 2011 in News

Here’s an aspiration I can relate to…..

Ny Teknik has a report today, talking about Saab’s plans to reduce weight in future vehicles from between 20% to a massive 40%.

Cue the Googletrans:

The concept car which will be completed by summer 2013 will include solutions that make it possible to build cars 20 to 40 percent lighter than today. Without making major compromises elsewhere. Last fall, invited Saab therefore the Scandinavian suppliers to a workshop to reflect together on new solutions.

- We thought it would be difficult for suppliers that are competitors to cooperate in the forms, but it went really well, “says project leader Anders Holmkvist….

….The clear and specific goals will mean reduced weight. But another equally important part in the project according to Anna-Lena Björkstam, purchasing director for bilmaterial at Saab, cooperation with and between suppliers

it goes on to talk about Saab’s different practices now that Saab are out of the GM fold. They key point is the freedom that Saab now have to talk to supplies of their choosing, with goals of their choosing.

You don’t have to be Einstein to see the potential benefits of such substantial weight cuts. Reduced fuel consumption and emissions are obvious benefits. Cars of such weight, depending on the powerplant, could also be quite entertaining. The key will be maintaining ride comfort and safety.

I imagine the goal of putting these brains together is to figure out the solution to that question.

The whole thing sounds quite Saaby to me. Clever stuff. I really hope they get it done.

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Screenshots – the 2011.5 Saab 9-3 front facelift

January 24, 2011 in News

You guys do this so fast in comments :-) Nevertheless, it should come to the front page.

Factory footage from the ‘Agenda’ story concerning Saab seems to have given us a first glimpse of the mild facelift to be made on the Saab 9-3 for the second half of the 2011 model year.

Here’s the money shot:

The red car in front appears to be the 2011.5 model. The grille at the front seems to be not quite as deep (though it could just be a perspective issue with the image – it’s pretty close to the outgoing model) and features a more prominent SAAB wordmark in the center, a-la the Saab 9-5.

Conveniently, it looks like there’s a non-facelifted 9-3 behind the red one so you can see the different openings in the bumpers, too.

Here’s a clearer image of a 2010 model for comparison:

It’s only a glimpse, and a fuzzy one at that, but it’s looking good so far.

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Thanks to multiple persons for supplying screenshots. The one used above is from Brett, in comments.

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Saabs we can expect to see this year – but when?

January 18, 2011 in Editorial

The Detroit Auto Show is out of the way for 2011 and Saab used their unofficial attendance outside the show hall to announce the introduction of Hirsch Performance parts in the United States.

That’s one show, one announcement, but there’s plenty more due for this year. The fun part is trying to figure out when we’ll see all the new things that Saab has to offer.

There are plenty of auto shows around the world every year, but there are only a few big auto shows each year. I think we can expect to see a lot from Saab at each of those big shows (and a presence at plenty of the smaller ones, too).

The big, “debut-worthy” shows remaining for this year, in my estimation, are as follows:

  • Geneva – March
  • New York – April
  • Frankfurt – September
  • Los Angeles – November

The big debuts that Saab could make this year, with my guesses as to when, are as follows….

Saab design concept – Jason Castriota’s stamp on Saab design will show at Geneva. We heard as much late last year. No doubt this poured the pressure on the Saab design team, as they’re also working flat-out on the replacement for the Saab 9-3.

Contrary to what some might think, this design concept is not a lead-in to the 9-3, nor is it a look at what Saab’s small car might look like if they find a partner. This concept is intended to be a bookend to the Aero-X – a design exercise only. It’s Castriota’s baby where Saab is concerned and it will have plenty of Saab in it, but plenty of Castriota in it as well.

MY2011.5 9-3 – A mid-cycle enhancement is expected for the Saab 9-3 that will see the exterior re-shaped to look more in line with the new Saab 9-5. The car has been referred to as the Griffin Edition and is intended to carry the 9-3 through until it is replaced late in 2012.

The 9-3 is expected to get the 2.0T engine with direct injection from the Saab 9-5, said to be available in both 163hp or 220hp variations. Whether there will be enhancements to the interior is as yet uncertain, but they may be restricted to some minor trim enhancements (silver strip around the dash to become grey, and some other grey trim, too).

Geneva would be a good candidate for this to be seen, too. Given that the model is a mid-year refresh, it would make sense for them to show it in March and have it go on sale shortly thereafter.

Saab 9-5 SportCombi – I don’t know exactly why Saab release their wagons a year after they release sedans, but they do. The Saab 9-5 SportCombi will hold massive interest for Swedish customers, as well as much of Europe and a few outside as well.

It’s expected to go on sale around mid year, so I’d expect this to be the third and final big announcement for the Geneva show. I know that’s a lot to expect from one small company, but these are big debuts and Geneva’s the biggest stage available prior to them going on sale.

Saab 9-3 SportCombi TTiD with sub 120g emissions – It would be nice to have a Swedish show to launch a sub-120g/km range of diesels in the 9-3 SportCombi range but the Stockhom show for 2011 has been at best, postponed, and at worst, cancelled.

As it’s not relevant to the US market (the NY show is in April), this one might be done via a press release and drive event in Europe only.

Saab 9-3 Independence Edition Convertible

This car will use the mid-cycle enhancement that I expect to see in Geneva. The Saab 9-3 Independence Edition will be a limited edition, with just 365+1 units available worldwide for 2011, in convertible body style only.

It’s expected to go on sale in May, so a debut at the New York International Auto Show might be appropriate.

2012 Saab 9-3 and 9-5 – I don’t know how different the 2012 Saab 9-3 will be from the 2011.5 Griffin Edition, but if there are more changes, they’ll be marked as a 2012 model.

I think we can expect enhancements to the Saab 9-5 range for 2012. There is room for enhancement in the interior of the car and the possibility, however near or far, of a sub-120g/km model (tangent – I think Magnus Hansson’s “smile” in response to questions about a sub-120g 9-5 might be over-interpreted here. The good news is he didn’t rule it out).

The obvious timing for this is at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September 2011.

Saab 9-3 replacement concept vehicle – This car is due in the last quarter of 2012. Would they dare show a concept a year early? I know it’s been mentioned already, but I think it’s far from certain.

If they do proceed with showing this vehicle, then Frankfurt or LA are the end-of-year big shows. My tentative bet would be LA in November, contrary to previous reports about the vehicle showing in Frankfurt. It gives them something big to talk about in the United States, as well as much-needed extra time.

Showing this vehicle could give them a good reason to showcase new technology from eAAM, too.

But all that’s a very big IF.

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Autozeitung and the Saab 9-5 SportCombi

November 27, 2010 in Saabology

German car magazine Autozeitung had a new issue out a few days ago and in it, they’ve published this image of the Saab 9-5 SportCombi.

I believe it’s a photoshopped image as I’m sure there aren’t any undisguised Saab 9-5 SportCombi’s running around like fully dressed cars.

It’s a darn good photoshop, though. Not the most flattering angle, but a darn good photoshop nonetheless.

Thanks to Alexandros for the scan.

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I saw the Saab 9-3 replacement

November 20, 2010 in Saabology

In my snippets posting from yesterday I mentioned “an appointment” that took me away from the LA Auto Show.

That appointment was at the hotel where I’m staying, along with all of the people from Saab Sweden who are here. The appointment was with Victor Muller and Jason Castriota and they were kind enough to give me a look at the computer design renderings of the car that will replace the Saab 9-3 in late 2012.

Yes, I saw it.

The hard part about writing this is that whilst I was allowed to see it, and whilst I’m allowed to write about the fact that I’ve seen it – I’m actually not allowed to tell you anything specific about it.

What I can say is this…..

It always takes me a little time to get fired up about new designs. It took me a full year to warm to the Dame Edna Saab 9-5, for example, which is a design that I really, really like now. My first reaction when Jason opened the lid of his laptop wasn’t overwhelming, but I definitely warmed to this vehicle over the course of the half-hour or so that we were looking at it and talking about it.

It was a little larger than I expected, but one of the things about seeing a flat, white 2D rendering on a computer screen is that you can’t see the contours that you can see with a painted, 3D model.

The car was in a very desireable and marketable body style and definitely carried the current design language in many respects, but also extended it quite considerably in others. The front, in particularly, painted a very nice portrait – even in this flat 2D form.

As mentioned, it takes me a while to warm to new designs. I don’t have a particularly good imagination. But I warmed to this and as I sit here now, a day later, writing about it, I’m very much looking forward to seeing it in the metal some time in the future.

It pains me to say it, but I won’t be able to answer any of the many questions that I’m sure are going to fill comments to this post. It’s the price I have to pay for being able to say anything at all.

All I can do is quote one of my favourite musicians and say: I’ve seen the future and it works.

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Saabhuy claim Saab 9-2 sketch

October 28, 2010 in Saabology

UPDATE: Commenters have noted that Saabhuy have sourced this one from a Swedish paper, Vi Bilgare. I only saw the Saabhuy entry in isolation and treated it as coming directly to them

Short conclusion – nothing to see here. Bil Vulgare.

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I know nothing and can therefore say nothing.

Saab 92 portion……But Golfhunter is stating that this image has been sourced from Saab and represents the new Saab small car that might coming in around 3 or 4 years from now. This is not the intended replacement for the Saab 9-3, but a smaller car that’s been mentioned previously as being a retro-inspired design (this image indicates that if authentic, Saab are not going down that teardrop-inspired path).

Apparently it will be based on the same platform as the Citroen DS3. As you know, PSA partnered with BMW on the design of the engine that Saab will be using in the replacement for the Saab 9-3.

You’ve seen a portion. Go to Saabhuy to see the whole banana.

As mentioned at the top, I know nothing so can’t pass any comment on the authenticity of the image.

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Till72: My personal Saab

September 30, 2010 in Saabology

People like to dream about their ideal, future Saab. One of our regulars here at SU is Till72. He’s a great supporter of both the brand and his local dealer (check out the graphics he did for his dealer) and he’s put fingers to keyboard in order to visualise the kind of Saab he’d like buy in the future.

I enjoyed reading this because it reflects some of the changed expectations that people are having now. Saab is no longer the company we’ve known for the last few decades. It’s keeping its roots and its core philosophies, but there’s no doubt that Saab is changing.

Thanks Till!

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The car I would like Saab to build

It’s been a long journey for me to get this car together in my mind. Recently I’ve been reading a lot about future car concepts and I have to admit that there are many out there that look quite promising at first glance.

But things get tricky when you look at the details. With hydrogen, for example, the logistics may be difficult. Electricity is a big thing today but as long as most electricity is generated from burning fossil fuels (emissions) or atomic plants (spent fuel issues) it’s not as clean as it looks. E85 is a good thing if the next generation is made from waste, not from food.

Does anyone remember “Back to the future”? Doc Brown had the Delorean running on waste right from the trash bin after he got the technology on a trip to 2015. That’s not too far away, right? ;-) Those who are interested may take a look at the Choren website – the things they have developed are quite promising.

I still believe that the easiest way to make a customer use alternative fuels is to offer it at the gas station so they can fill their cars like they always did. Charging batteries takes too much time for those who drive more. I’ve got a delivery car here at my company and I’d happily jump on the electric train but right now, the range is simply not enough.

Right now we have a 9-5SC and a 9-3x in our family garage. Both are diesels. Since we are a tall family we’ll always need a big family car for longer trips but right now I’ll concentrate on a potential follow-up to my superb Saab 9-3x (with Hirsch for added superbness :-) ).

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Autobild photoshop Saab’s future

September 26, 2010 in Saabology

German magazine Autobild has taken a stab at predicting what the future of Saab might look like, showing their photoshop predictions of a new Saab 9-3, the Saab 9-5 SportCombi and a possible Saab Sonett (they seem to have got their Sonett images from the same source as AMS Sweden).

The 9-3 is the most interesting, I guess, because we saw the Sonett renderings last week and we’ve already seen real, Saab imagery of the 9-5 Combi (though everyone still seems to forget this).

Their rendering of the 9-3, from the front….

AutoBild Saab 9-3

And from the back. The cues from the 9-5 are pretty obvious….

Autobild Saab 9-3 rear

Here’s their rendering of the 9-5 combi, which from my point of view, isn’t quite accurate from the B-pillar back.

AutoBild Saab 9-5 Combi

And, well…… the Sonett is probably best viewed with the AMS Sonett story as it’ll give a bit more background information…..

AutoBild Saab Sonett

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From my point of view, I just like the fact that magazines in Germany are writing about Saab again. It’d be a great market for Saab to get some traction in.

My thanks to Lars B (a man with a 4-Saab family, no less) for sending through the imagery!

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