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Around Saab Snippets

November 17, 2011 in News

Things are still quiet from Saab, but there are a few things out there that are worth mentioning, even if they are not directly Saab related.

I think all of us remember that Geely had again after 2009 shown interest in taking over Saab (or just the best pieces, who knows) just a few weeks ago. WantChinaTimes report now that they are facing financial troubles:

The Chinese-language Capital Week, however, reported that Li and Geely Group have been stuck in a financial rut. Geely has reportedly started to contact private domestic and overseas equity funds, such as Carlyle and TPG, for fresh funding, in order to repay Goldman Sachs for high-yield bonds. Most of these private equity funds are cautious about the request, due to their concern over Geely’s ability to repay.

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Thursday Snippets: Geely Wants Saab Now?

October 6, 2011 in News

Geely Wants to Acquire Saab?

This story has been coming at us for the past 24 hours now and while I’ve been reluctant to cover it since everyone in front of and behind the scenes is denying it, but Dagens Nyheter is reporting on their website that Geely wants to buy Saab. According to their source, a representative from Geely approached Guy Lofalk, the court appointed administrator for Saab, to negotiate a deal. Today, Geely has emphatically denied these rumors.

Interestingly, Eric Geers fanned the flames a little bit though when he said in a telephone interview which Bloomberg reported on, ““Several companies are showing interest in Saab right now…We of course have a binding agreement with Pangda and Youngman.” Why would he want to do that?  Well, Youngman’s money still hasn’t been transferred even though it was promised to come through over a week ago. Which leads us to the second story…

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Monday Night Snippets

November 15, 2010 in Saabology

BIG thanks to Jeff P for the LA Auto Show banner featuring at the top of the website all this week!

Outstanding stuff. I know a few people have commented on it already, so Jeff – it’s put smiles on people’s faces already……. job done!

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This might be the final entry on SU before I hit LA, so there’s a bit of stuff to cover.

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People and cars.

That’s what this stuff is all about. People and cars.

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One of Finland’s former parliamentarians, Riitta Uosukainen, is doing some free promotional work for Saab after she and her husband had a collision with a moose on the weekend:

“We were driving with my husband at 17.00 (this time of the year it’s really dark outside in Finland at five O’clock), when suddenly a giant moose jumped out from the dark straight on to our car.”

The impact was so severe that Mrs. Uosukainen thanks the rugged build of the car, and thanks to that nothing bad happened to the people inside it:
“The car was totaled. If it hadn’t been a Saab we both (She and Her husband) would of been dead.”

Then she thanks all the officials who arrived to the scene and gives compliments to the Police, ambulance staff, tow-car company and the hospital. Everything worked flawlessly. “I think it’s good for everybody to know”.

The she gives a warning to all drivers out there: “It’s unbelievable how this situation could surprise us all. The way it came (the moose, translators clarification), there are no words to describe it. It’s such a noise that it felt as if it fell from the sky.”

Thanks to Pekko for the translation.

Assuming they’ll order a new 9-5 to replace the one the moose just totalled, perhaps VM could deliver it personally to keep the story rolling?

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I had a great catch-up dinner with a couple of Sydney Saab friends this evening. OK, Richo’s moved over to the dark side, but I still sense good in him, as does Princess Lea [sic]. Brendan B was there with his Viggen convertible, too.

The other members of the Sydney Saab clan that I usually catch up with were probably sick of seeing each other’s faces as they had what looks like a great meet-and-drive event on the weekend.

I had to put two shots of the Viggen in there – because it used to be mine! It’s now owned by a guy named Wayne G, who tells me it’s purring like a cat.

Great job, NSW Saab nuts!

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The Guardian had a short review of the Saab 9-5 over the weekend.

No urgency. Not much of huge interest there.

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It’s interesting that Volvo’s new Chinese owners want to move into places Volvo hadn’t planned on going….

…. and then their main product development guy leaves.

Saab might be struggling onwards, but I still think we got the better deal.

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LA – here we come!

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The Local: Swedes start lamenting the possible demise of their auto industry

December 26, 2009 in News

The Local is reporting about Swedes starting to feel a bit sad now that a Volvo sale has been agreed with a Chinese buyer, and that Saab is a chance to be ‘closed’. It seems closure rather than sale is still the Swedish media mindset for Saab.

The Volvo news, coming as uncertainty looms about General Motor’s decision to shut down Saab, also raised questions as to the future of Sweden’s auto industry.
Some of Sweden’s major newspapers wondered if Chinese ownership would weaken the Volvo brand. “Volvo: Money can’t buy everything,” read an editorial in Dagens Nyheter newspaper. “In mass-production China, there is a risk that the trademark will hollow out.”…..
……Dagens Nyheter’s auto industry reporter wrote in an analysis piece this week that Geely’s takeover was “a journey into the unknown.”

It’s not all just about Volvo, however.

Others speculated about the demise of the Swedish auto industry in light of the Volvo sale and the Saab closure. “Both Swedish carmakers Saab and Volvo are on their way out of Sweden. Saab risks being shut down and everything points to Volvo becoming Chinese,” public radio reporter Tommy Fredriksson said earlier.
“What’s going to happen to Swedes’ self-image?” he asked, calling Volvo and Saab modern-day examples of traditional “Swedish value.”

Tommy, don’t count Saab out yet.
If you and the Swedish media put some pressure on GM rather than just accept what you’re (IMHO, incorrectly) told is Saab’s fate, then maybe GM will feel a bit more pressure to make a sale go through.
Whilst Saab are working with GM on a plan for closure of the brand, this work is happening in parallel with negotiations for the sale of Saab to either Spyker or Merbanco/SwedishConstorium.
Saab can still live, and they can still operate in Sweden.
This isn’t the time to feel sorry for the loss of an industry, it’s the time to make some noise and do what you can to try and influence the decision makers. Here’s one way you can help, the other is to write/call the local media and get them to put some heat on GM.
Whilst the negotiations go on, there is still hope for Saab.

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Tuesday morning snippets – Vale Jan-Willem Vester

December 8, 2009 in News, Saabology

My thanks to Eggs for the timely reportage of the passing of Jan-Willem Vester, the former PR and Communications guru at SaabUSA. I’ve added my thoughts on his passing to that entry.
Saab History has an excellent compilation of his career.
Saab’s had a difficult enough 18 months as a company as it is, but the passing of people like Rolf Jensen, Pat Moss, Bob Sinclair and now Jan-Willem Vester put a very fine point on the fact that like all organisations, Saab is a company that’s only ever as good as its people.
Jan-Willem was another one of those fine people and he will be missed deeply.
JWVandGripen.jpg
L-to-R: Jan-Willem Vester, Steve Shannon and occasional TS scribe, 1985Gripen
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GM’s new Chairman and CEO, Ed Whitacre, is starting to come under scrutiny.
AutoExtremist Peter De Lorenzo is no fan, and CNN Money are asking why Mr Whitacre absented himself from answering legitimate questions that should be taken by a corporate CEO, especially when that CEO runs a company that’s majority owned by taxpayers.
Addendum – Interesting…… since that CNN MOney story appeared, an entry has been posted on GM’s Fastlane blog stating that Whitacre will do a webchat on Tuesday. Result for CNN!
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The latest story with Geely is yet another example of how news can spread in the automotive media.
The Geely guy is asked a question as whether he’ll talk to GM about Saab – note: not about whether he has talked to GM, but whether he intends to – and he gives the vaguest, most non-committal answer ever in the form of “Who knows?” and then all of a sudden every news service in town is reporting that Geely might buy Saab.
it started with DI.se (and don’t they love a good adaption-to-bad-news story) and went to Reuters, Autoblog, Automotive News, Autocar (where “Who knows” equals “admits Saab interest”) and a heap more.
The guy said “Who knows”. He didn’t even indicate that he was really thinking about it, never mind whether he’s actually spoken to someone.
It’s almost time for me to bring out the nudie-run promise again. The SU assessment is that there’s nothing to see here. And may the good Lord help us all if there is something to it.
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And finally some good and bad reporting:
Automobile do a good job of covering the Spyker interest in Saab.
Some site called Ridelust does one of the most appalling and factually inaccurate jobs I’ve seen recently, covering the Saab 9-5 at the LA Auto Show.

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Thursday Snippets – I’d rather be at Saab than at Volvo edition

October 29, 2009 in Saabology

After looooooooooooooooooooooooooong negotiations, talks and interest from various groups in the US and Sweden, Ford have finally picked a suitor for Volvo.
The winning bidder is Geely.

Ford Motor Co., the number-two US automaker, said Wednesday it had tapped Chinese peer Geely as preferred bidder for Volvo Cars, its premium Swedish nameplate.
Ford, which announced last December it wanted to sell the loss-making unit, said that it would step up negotiations with a consortium led by Zheijang Geely Group Holding, but stressed “no final decisions have been made.”
The possible sale to Geely, one of the largest privately owned Chinese carmakers, comes as Ford struggles to restructure amid an ailing US auto sector that was eclipsed as the world’s largest by China in January…..
….The Hangzhou-based Geely said that under its bid, supported by Chinese banks, Volvo’s existing production and research and development facilities, union agreements and dealer networks would be maintained.
“Should a final agreement be reached, Geely will safeguard and strengthen Volvo’s world-renowned brand heritage, ensuring its continued leadership as a premium car company with a global reputation for safety and environmental technologies,” said Li Shufu, Geely chairman, in a separate statement.
“This is an important strategic step for Geely, signaling our commitment to Volvo’s presence in more than 100 markets around the world and building on our strengths in the Chinese car industry.”

As you may know, Geely were interested in Saab when they were up for sale, too. There may have been more interest from China, but the only two I definitely heard about were BAIC and Geely.
Let’s just say one group were listening a lot and one group were talking a lot. You can figure out which was which and you can decide for yourself which one you’d rather have as a corporate parent.
Maud Olofsson must be a Volvo woman as she said nothing about windmills in response to the news.

Swedish Enterprise and Energy Minister Maud Olofsson said the news was “good, because the uncertainty has not been good for Volvo.”
“And we have told Geely and everyone else that we have been in talks with that we want production to stay in Sweden,” she added.

More power to ya, Maud. Literally.
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Saab seats are renowned as some of the best in the car industry, so you can imagine my surprise when I read this morning that a Saab had killed an ass (or a near relative of one, at least).

A celebrity mule which starred in a Hollywood film with Keira Knightley has been killed in a car crash.
Napoleon was with three donkeys that had escaped from their farm field in Mursley, Buckinghamshire in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

Darn skylarking donkeys. Probably out looking for trouble, or a poker game at the very least.

The mule and two of the donkeys were injured when a car collided with them on Whaddon Road at around 6am.

Maybe the car was a test mule and got excited to see one of it’s own?
No.

A spokesman for Thames Valley Police said the driver of the grey Saab convertible that collided with the donkeys was not injured in the crash

A convertible? Lucky Saab do lots of moose testing as well as mule testing.
Rumours that Napoleon’s last utterance was “not tonight, Josephine – hee-haw” are yet to be confirmed.
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Former Saab factory driver and soon-to-be Saab 99T driver (again) – Stig Blomqvist – is currently south of the border driving in the 2009 La Carrera Panamericana.
Unfortunately he’s not driving a Saab, but a Studebaker. He’s driving it well, too. From what I can tell, Stig and his Venezualen navigator were placed in fourth position after 5 days of driving, and he was previously in first position after two of those days.
StigsStudebakerPanamerica.jpg They only have small shots of the cars on the website, but I found this small one on the Mexsports website.

There are a few other interesting cars there as well. I’ve procured a few photos from the event’s own website.
According to the results table, there IS one solitary Saab in the field though it doesn’t say what model it is and I haven’t been able to find a photo of it as yet. My guess would be a V4 Saab 96.
La Carrera Panamericana
La Carrera Panamericana
La Carrera Panamericana
There are also competitor photos at the site, though if I were this guy I’d opt for a more casual photo instead of sending in what looks like a police mugshot :-)
La Carrera Panamericana

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Swedes: how would it feel if Geely buys Volvo?

June 18, 2009 in Archive

There are reports coming out of China today stating that Geely have signed a preliminary agreement with Ford to purchase Volvo.
From Auto Motor and Sport:

It is the English-language newspaper Shanghai Daily, which writes that Geely will buy Volvo. A delegation from Geely have visited Volvo’s headquarters in Gothenburg, and a preliminary agreement should be clear.
Shanghai Daily writes that Geely has plans to move production of the next generation XC90 to a factory in the city of Dongguan, Guangzhou Province, and refers to data from the National Business Daily.

A little more from The Local:

Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but Jia Xinguang, an analyst with the Chinese National Automotive Industry Consulting and Development Corporation reckons that Volvo would not be sold for less than $3 billion, the Shanghai Daily reports.
Ford purchased Volvo Cars in 1999 for around $6.5 billion.

For their part, Volvo are playing dumb on the whole issue:

A Volvo spokesperson told the TT news agency on Thursday that the company had no knowledge of any agreement to sell the Swedish automaker to Geely.
“Ford is in charge of the sale. We don’t know anything here,” said Volvo’s Maria Bohlin.

I know, as a Saab enthusiast, that I’m particularly pleased that they’re staying in primarily Swedish hands. I can only imagine there’s a bit of dread around right now at the thought of an even larger Swedish icon passing into Chinese hands.
So how’s the reaction over there?

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GT.se play the Geely card again

May 20, 2009 in Archive

Swedish news service GT.se, related to Expressen, hit an internet jackpot last week with a story saying that Geely, Fiat and a German bank operating on behalf of GM themselves were the three companies in the running for Saab.

The story spread like wildfire around the web, despite several denials by Geely, despite Fiat not being in the 27 original interested parties, and despite common sense when it comes to the whole German-bank-acting-for-GM scenario.

If it got them heaps of attention and inward links once, it’s probably going to work a second time, too, right?

I hope not, but they’re definitely giving it a try.

Here’s the Googletrans:

Chinese carmaker Geely will ever closer to a purchase of Saab Automobile. Geely is involved in a new (stock) issue to get more than one billion dollars. The new shares will be used for “mergers and acquisitions”, as per a sales document.
Saab revealed in its application for an extension of the reconstruction period that there are three potential buyers. GT has previously revealed that it is Chinese Geely, Fiat, and a German commercial bank.

Now reveal the Bloomberg news agency that the privately-owned Geely Automobile Holding will sell a total of 570 million new shares. In addition, the company’s founder and chairman Li Shufu selling 230 one million shares of its own holdings.

In total, Geely will bring in more than one billion dollars. The money, according to the Chinese sales document used to finance the purchase of a parts factory in Australia and to “other mergers and other business”.

Geelys share price rose sharply last week after revealing Expressen on Saab purchase. Yesterday was listed shares to deg highest rate since July 13, 2007 and rates have risen 130 percent this year alone.

Mr Berggren, Your story might right in relation to Geely’s capital raising activities, but it’s wrong in that it relates it to Saab.

Geely are out of the game. They’ve said so and sources close to the action have said so to me as well.

Thanks the Per for the link!

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Thursday snippets

May 14, 2009 in Archive

My nephew gets married tomorrow. Posting could be slow for a couple of days as a result as family get-togethers aren’t that frequent around our way.

I’ll do my best to stay on top of everything, though.

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A note I saw at autoextremist.com, which I thought I’d commandeer and relate for my friends at Saab:

PR/Marketing 101.

Communicate MORE not LESS in troubled times to show you are alive. The vacuum created with LESS communications is always, always filled by forces outside of your control (i.e. news of bankruptcy, sales declines, plant shutdowns, layoffs, etc.)

Jason Vines
Franklin, MI

Jason Vines has worked as the communications head at both Ford and Chrysler in the past. A respected guy.

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Time to catch up on a few stories that I haven’t had time to cover in the last few days…..

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GM shares nosedived earlier this week after Fritz Henderson stated that bankruptcy was looking more and more likely, though he claimed it was still not inevitable.
It didn’t help the share price, of course, when the market found out that a bunch of GM executives – including Bob Lutz – had been given the green light to dump their shares. Lutz and five other execs sold their holding for around $315,000 (which sounds like a lot, but they’re probably crying, thinking about the price they’d have got if they had been allowed to sell them a year ago).

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GT analyse their three buyers for Saab. I analyse GT

May 12, 2009 in Archive

I provided a loose Googletrans of an article appearing at GT.se earlier this evening. In that article, GT identified the three remaining bidders as Geely, Fiat, and a mysterious German bank.
Thankfully, they’ve also provided some more information to back up their thoughts.
Here is GT’s analysis, with my analysis of their analysis following:
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GT on Geely
Geely has studied Saab for many years and they were early in the auction.
The Chinese have also looked at the car plant in Trollhättan. Geely is a private company which is considered to have the financial muscle needed. Geely has also engaged the services of the British merchant bank Rothschild – which includes ex-Volvo-heads PG Gyllenhammar and Hans-Olov Olsson work – to find co-financiers.
A likely partner is Sheikh Maktoum Hashar Maktoum al Maktoum of Dubai.
GM chief Fritz Henderson is afraid to sell to the Chinese because of future competition. Henderson does not want to let the Chinese get Saab dealers in the U.S.. Geely buying Saab means a CULTURAL CRASH in Trollhättan and in the best case develops Geely Saab to a luxury brands of Audi. (I’m not sure that’s translated accurately – SW)
Swade on GT on Geely
That Geely visited Saab’s factory is a given. At least nine other parties did the same. The partnership with Sheikh Maktoum is speculation. He was mentioned early in the piece but I can’t recall that he was specifically aligned with Geely.
One thing that the piece doesn’t mention is that Geely aren’t very big, are private and therefore not necessarily government backed. But more than all those – Geely are a minnow in their own market and not that well regarded.
Final note, Geely themselves have said they’re not in the market for Saab or Volvo. they stated that in a filing with their own stock exchange, though there’s some skepticism even in China about the integrity of such findings.
Verdict – a possibility, but a remote one in my book. Too small, too ambitious, and too much in need of Swedish guarantees when the Swedes would be worried about tech-drain to China.
GT on Fiat
Fiat boss Sergio Marchionne surprised all when he impudently declared that he wants to buy GM Europe and GM’s operations in South America.
Marchionne wants Saab to cooperate with any other make of car in the new super group. GM chief Fritz Henderson has negotiated with Marchionne but wants to have 30 percent ownership in the new high-Fiat. Marchionne has said that it could sell ten percent.
In buying Saab, Fiat expect large cuts in Trollhättan and the new 9-3 will be put off until Fiat found a new, appropriate, platform. The good thing with a Fiat-buying is that there already are developed forms of cooperation between Opel and Saab. Marchionne has said that no German car plants will be closed, which means a tough future for all others.
Swade on GT on Fiat
A solid analysis…..except
In the context of recent stories saying Saab have two or three bidders remaining, these bidders are people who Saab have been talking to for several months.
Fiat are not one of these bidders, because Fiat were never part of this process. Fiat just walked in to the picture and said “we want Opel and throw Saab in while you’re at it”
Verdict: If Fiat end up with Saab, it will be an extension of the Opel deal, not part of this process that Deutsche Bank are undertaing on GM’s behalf.
GT on a mysterious German Bank
The new buyer of the gang.
According to a source within the General Motors owns a German commercial bank on behalf of – General Motors. The Bank is acting as secret agents and it is not previously known that it is General Motors underlying interest.
The motive should be to monitor the Saab-management behavior and to have a bid ready if it turns out that it needed to prevent the Saab be in the “wrong” hands.
This can also be Fritz Mr Henderson’s way to make sure that he can control the Saab’s future and get to the five billion in loans from the European Investment Bank, EIB, as the Swedish government more or less promised a new, strong, owner.
Buying the German commercial bank Saab on behalf of General Motors is it just to get over the loans and then loot the company of all assets. Then there is a definitive end to the Saab.
Swade on GT on a mysterious German Bank
Rumours that the head of this German Bank was last seen on a grassy knoll in Dallas on November 1963 are yet to be proven.
I suppose there could be one of the bidders that we haven’t heard about who could be a front for GM buying something that they already own, but somehow I think Deutche Bank would see through the Groucho Marx disguise and call them out.
And besides, Fritz Henderson has come out in response to the claims that GM want to retain control of the Saab 9-5, saying he’s happy to work with Saab’s new owners in the future, but that that new owner will not be GM.
Verdict: Hmph
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Final verdict:
I’d say GT scored half a point out of a possible three points, and that’s only if Geely are still in the race, which they have said they aren’t.
And it’s noted that they didn’t include the joker in the pack – Renco. I’m quite solid on my sources with this, so they fact that they haven’t put them in is indicative of the reliance I’ll place on the article.

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Geely on Saab – no bid

May 8, 2009 in Archive

Via comments, this report from Reuters:

China’s Geely Automobile Holdings said it has no intention to bid for automakers Volvo or Saab, according to a Hong Kong stock exchange filing on Thursday.
“The company has not submitted, and has no plans to submit, any bids concerning the takeovers of Volvo or Saab as stated in recent press articles,” Geely said in its filing.
Geely issued the filing in response to a 13.6 percent surge in its Hong Kong share price on Thursday.
The Chinese automaker has been speculated as a potential bidder for General Motors’ Swedish unit Saab as well as for Ford Motors’ Volvo cars unit.

It’s alright Geely folks.
We never took you that seriously anyway.
Thanks Saabdude!

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Giddy-up: Geely makes play at Saab?

May 7, 2009 in Archive

I’m not getting into a spin about news reports overnight that Geely have “submitted a bid” for Saab. This is being reported as if it’s a big thing, which I don’t believe it is.
The Wall Street Journal seems to have the big scoop here:

Geely is one of “three to four” serious bidders for Saab and appears to be the only bidder from China, one of the people familiar with the situation said. He said a second Chinese auto maker considered bidding but didn’t follow through with an offer. Details of Geely’s bid for Saab couldn’t be determined. Geely Spokesman Wang Ziliang declined to comment.

We have always been pretty sure that Geely were one of the parties interested in Saab. They visited Trollhattan for a look around and at that time, I’m sure they would have signalled their intentions to some degree.
My understanding of the process is that from the 27 initial groups who signalled interest in Saab, 10-12 were asked to bring some more thoughts to the table. These are the parties who got a tour around the campus, and I believe it’s this stage of the process that the WSJ is reporting on today – merely that Geely were one of those groups.
As I understand things, it is now the job of GM, Saab and Deutsche Bank to select between one and three of these “bidders” to take things even further with.
To put it in Costanza-speak: Geely got a date, but they weren’t asked in “for coffee”.
Perhaps all the people who got dates were asked to submit a price they’re willing to pay for coffee, though I’m not sure what sort of picture that paints of Saab. Maybe some have backed out at that stage and some have submitted offers, making them the sort of “bidder” that the WSJ is referring to here. Just a guess.
Maybe I’m not getting tense, but I should be?
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I think Reuters have things written a little more accurately:

NEW YORK, May 6 (Reuters) – General Motors Corp is running due diligence on about 10 bidders for Saab, after the first round of bids for the Swedish brand attracted Chinese automakers, European investor groups and private equity firms, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.
The Saab auction process is being run independently of GM’s efforts to sell other European assets including Opel, the source said.

That Geely is possibly one of these bidders doesn’t mean they’re one of the final few who will really get a good talking to.

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News sources name some interesting suitors for Saab

April 28, 2009 in Archive

There are reports in from both Dagens Industri and TTELA naming some interesting names in the chase for Saab.
I’ve covered bits of the Dagens report via Reuters earlier, but I’ll cover it again here to tie it all up here in one post so the conversation is concentrated in one place.
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Latest news indicates that Deutsche Bank are asking around 10 of the initial 27 suitors who signed confidentiality agreements to discuss their intentions for the company, which will go some way to whittling down this group to the four or five who will be asked to submit a bid for Saab.
We’re getting to the pointy end, people. Saab’s initial reorganisation period ends on May 20 (or is it May 19??) and I’m sure all parties would like to get these preliminaries tied away prior to asking for another three-month extension.
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So, the suitors and the way they’re described.
Geely – have previously denied any interest but were reported to be in Sweden getting the grand tour in the last few weeks.
Koenigsegg - the one we’re all hoping for, though it may be for all the wrong reasons. Romantically, they must be the favourite.
US investors – their identities are unknown, but DI report that there’s some US money sniffing around, and they’re big players. More than one of them, apparently.
Both TTELA and DI note that Chinese company Chery have received state approval to go forth and multiply. Chery are China’s biggest privately owned car company.
TTELA also mention BMW and Hyundai as possibilities. Hyundai I can see, BMW I can’t. I just don’t see why they’d have the need to stray from their formula with something in a similar market space.
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Let’s not forget the potential suitor that they didn’t mention in those articles – the Norwegians and Think! I wrote about them last week:
Norwegian State is one of the speculators who have been in and looked at Trollhättan Saab, writes the newspaper GT today.

According to a source within GM, representatives of the Norwegian Government have been in Trollhättan and looked at the factory. It should, according to data, act on a wager on a Swedish built hybrid electric with Norwegian origin.

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Geely and Chery would have to be considered outsiders. One thing a potential investor will have to do is obtain loan guarantees from the Swedish government. There is a train of thought in both articles that the Swedes would be concerned about both the loss of jobs to China, and the loss of technological know-how to China.
The marraige of two Swedish companies, one of whom is a 62-year-old Swedish sporting and design icon and the other being an upstart supercar maker working out of an aircraft hangar. Reportedly, Koenigsegg made their tour in the company of a venture capital representative. Can Koenigsegg, a small quantity manufacturer manage a volume producer, even one of Saab’s small size? I’d love to find out.
The thought of US investors makes me nervous. Unless they’ve got heaps of money, so much so that they won’t try and six-sigma the company out of its identity, I’d be wary. Yes, recent experience may have something to do with this.
Hyundai are kicking goals wherever they go at the moment, though I wonder how it’s going to work out in the long run. Their recent sales efforts in the US, where they guarantee to take your car back with no penalty if you lose your job, have led to great sales numbers, but it could come back to bite them big-time in 2010 when the full effect of the global financial crisis may be felt. They are building much better cars, though.

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From 27 down to 10 suitors for Saab

April 28, 2009 in Archive

Dagens Industri reported recently that Geely have had a tour of the Saab facility in the last few weeks. They also claim that some US investors have stuck their heads in for a look around.
Today, via Reuters, they’re also reporting that out of the 27 parties that originally signed confidentiality agreements, Saab have asked 10 of these parties for more details about their intentions and plans for Saab.

STOCKHOLM, April 27 (Reuters) – Chinese auto group Geely has visited Saab Automobile, the Swedish carmaker put up for sale by General Motors, a Swedish business newspaper said on Monday.
Citing a source close to the situation, Dagens Industri also said 10 potential suitors from the group of 27 parties Saab said earlier this month it had signed confidentiality agreements with had been asked to provide more details of their intentions.
“Representatives for Geely were at Saab for an entire day,” the source was quoted as saying. A number U.S.-based investment firms had also visited the carmaker for presentations.
Saab was not immediately available for comment.

I’m not happy about the focus on Geely, but I think that’s only because it’s one of the few concrete, identified parties we’ve got, I don’t think they’re a serious contender.
Right now, if I was a betting man, I’d place my money on whoever Vattenfall are tied up with, which I think might be the Norwegians. I get the feeling that we’re going to see a Saab/Think! tie-up of sorts.
And that may not be a bad thing.
I have no info to support any of that, by the way, it’s just my own hunch.

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Saab ownership update – The Geely-Maktoum-Gyllenhammar-Volvo conundrum

March 17, 2009 in Archive

Whilst I can do my best to report on the Saab ownership situation as it pops up in the Swedish press, it’s always good to have people on the ground there in Sweden who hear other things that may not make the big headlines. They also understand the various backstories of the Swedish players involved. These are perspectives I just can’t get until I hear from them and it’s this perspective that I’d like to share here now.
First of all, it pays to remember that the US Automotive Task Force will report on GM’s progress and perceived viability on March 31. GM did its best to create a good impression by saying it didn’t need a $2billion instalment that it was offered for this month. They ain’t fooling anyone, though, and if that March 31 report goes negative then it could be curtains for GM.
The US administration will most likely call in the loans it’s already advanced, forcing GM into bankruptcy procedures. What happens to Saab at that point is a little unclear to we mere mortals, but Dippen tells me via the Swedish papers that parties interested in Saab are most likely holding off until the outcome of that flashpoint is known.
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With all of that in mind, ctm has provided some of his own background perceptions into recent reports surround interest from Geely in conjunction with a possible cash injection from a Sheikh in Dubai.

OK, so here is the situation…
Several different media now claims that Geely will bid on Saab. The deal is being brokered by Rothschild investment bank (www.rothschild.com) for which two former Volvo executives works (PG Gyllenhammar and Hans-Olov Olsson). Further, sources claims that Gyllenhammar left the board of Dubai based gigant MAF Group last week. The reason would be that he cannot be on the board when he broker a deal representing Rothschild when MAF Group somehow is involved. Other sources also claim that Gyllenhammar has actually met with representatives for the Al Maktoum family.
So why would former Volvo people broker a deal for Saab? Is the deal in fact for Volvo instead? Against that theory is the fact the Volvo is too big for Geely, while Saab is more the right size and cheaper.

Allow me a segue at this point…..
When I read the initial reports about Geely and former Volvo guy PG Gyllenhammar working for Rothschild to advise Geely on this bid, I had to ask the same question: why is a Volvo guy advising a Chinese company on a purchase of Saab?
The only answer I could figure out is that possibly he didn’t want them buying Volvo, so he’s aiding Saab in running interference for a Geely-Volvo thing.
It’s not as simple as that, though. Nowhere near.
ctm explains:

If Geely got Volvo Cars, they would market Volvo in China.
But…
Volvo AB (read: Volvo Trucks – who also have something to say about the brand name Volvo) is already in bed with Dongfeng, the largest truck manufacturer in China. That’s because Volvo bought Nissan Diesel. For a long time, rumors have been that Volvo want to buy Dongfeng. Anyway, Volvo and Dongfeng would be linked. So there would be two Chinese manufacturers marketing Volvo product in China – which would be a mess.
That is why Volvo Trucks the other day again said they are very interested in the situation with Volvo Cars…..
…….All these rumors go back to the fact that there is resistance from US and Europe to let the Chinese control Volvo Cars – and the source for that resistance is probably Volvo Trucks.

Away from the politics and back to the transactional nature of things….
Geely are a pretty small company, having sold only double the number cars Saab sold in the last few years. Them buying Volvo would be somewhat like a mouse swallowing a cat. It’s probably not unheard of in car-buying circles, but Saab seem to be a more edible portion for a company of Geely’s size.
They’re also a private company, which is where the Sheikh comes in.
ctm’s thoughts, again:

……why Arabian money in a Chinese deal? My take:
1) Geely need money to finance the deal. Chinese government are reluctant to invest money abroad. It’s just the way they are. They are still learning. So Geely goes abroad. Arabian money becomes available since they will invest if the deal is good regardless of politics. They see a scenario where the huge Chinese auto market opens up, with Geely finding a way to the mass market in Europe with cheaper cars competing with low-cost brands from Eastern Europe and India.
2) Chinese companies still need a middleman in a deal like this, even if it’s in Sweden. Oil money will guarantee the long term financial and intellectual stability in the deal. Otherwise, interested parties in Sweden and the US will assume that the Chinese will just raid Saab for know-how and be very reluctant to sell.
3) It could mean that the deal is about more than Saab. There are good relationship between Sweden and Dubai, Bahrain, etc. The deal could be about green technologies for both the Arab nations and China. Sweden are world leaders and very well respected in China.
But, obviously Geely would only be one of those interested in Saab. But if they are in fact the only car company, then they are surely elevated to first place. Mu guess is that we will have names from official sources before the weekend.

As mentioned above, I think the bidders are waiting for the end of the month, but we may well know more about them this week.
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There are other parties interested in Saab, so whilst we’re talking about this group, it’s mostly because that’s the one being reported about in the media. It gives us something to chew on.
These are ctm’s thoughts, mashed with mine and some input from Dippen, so they’re by no means conclusive. Hopefully they can be considered as informed thoughts, however, both by news reports and some local knowledge on the ground there in Sweden.
This is not a foregone conclusion by any means, but I thought some of this background info might be of interest in explaining some of the things we’re reading about at the moment.
Thanks to ctm and Dippen for the input!