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Update on Saab/BMW co-operation story

September 27, 2010 in News

Let’s draw together a few news stories and see if we can’t navigate through and see what’s going on.

News services have finally reached Victor Muller for a comment, to which they basically received a big “no comment”.

“– It’s all based on rumours and speculation that we can not comment. Nothing has been signed. Until everything’s presented and done, it’s not done, Victor Muller says.

If it were all hot air, they would have got a “No”, rather than a ‘no comment’.

Why the semantics with words? Well, Spyker’s a company listed on the stock exchange. Victor can’t say something’s done until it IS done and he can’t deny it if it’s about to be done. Such actions would affect the share price and could get people into trouble.

Spykers shares have already risen on the speculation and would probably rise a little more if it were confirmed.

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AutoWeek.nl are claiming that the deal will be not only for an architecture to build the Saab 92, but also some engines, most notably for the coming Saab 9-4x.

They say Saab will acquire BMW diesels for the 9-4x. A good competitive diesel will be essential for marketing the car in Europe.

They also state there could be some BMW engines powering the Saab 9-3 and they mention the word “soon”, indicating they think that this could come before the next generation of the car goes from being just a twinkle in Jason Castriota’s eye.

I’ve got no information one way or the other about this. The 92 and 9-4x stories make sense and seem realistic (it might take a little while to get a Beamer diesel into the 9-4x, though, as it wasn’t designed for it).

The 9-3 story would be nice, but seems just a touch too much for this little enthusiast to hope for.

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Interesting times, people. Interesting times.

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Reports: Saab 92 deal signed – unconfirmed

September 7, 2010 in News

UPDATE

I’ve just received an email from Victor Muller.

As usual, nonsense. there is no such contract.

As mentioned below, I was a little sceptical of the Mibz piece and on listening to pieces of the interview at autoactu (after this post was written), I couldn’t actually hear Victor’s voice saying anything to this effect, or saying anything. They have a picture of him in the intro to the piece. Maybe I just didn’t listen to enough of it.

In any case, it seems a matter of watching this space. We all know that Saab want to build this car and are working feverishly towards making that a reality.

What Victor’s saying here is that it a deal isn’t done……. yet.

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I didn’t believe it when I first saw it on Mibz last night but it seems there may indeed be reports floating around that Saab have signed a technology deal that will enable them to make the much talked about Saab 92 compact car.

Victor Muller, the Spyker chief, announced that it has found a partner to develop new Saab 9-2.

Mibz doesn’t have the best reputation for developing their own stories and they didn’t say where they’d got that information from. No links, no nothing.

Since then, an interview in French has popped up, where apparently VM has indeed mentioned a partnership deal for the 92.

The interview appears at autoactu and in writing to me about it, PierreT writes:

I listened to VM on autoactu.com and he did affirm that they signed a deal with a manufacturer to produce a small SAAB, (including the platform).

I’ve written to VM to seek some clarification and I’ll also try and get a translation of important bits of that radio interview.

Exciting times! But it is all unconfirmed at this point….

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Saab ‘tipped’ to enter WRC – with a car that won’t even be made?

August 10, 2010 in Saabology

Re-posted.

Even CAR Magazine and Autoblog are writing about this issue now, but none of the excitable writers are doing the maths when it comes to Saab releasing a new car that would be suitable for the WRC.

So I’ll run this story again, for those of you who are still seeing things pop up on the internets that make you a little excited.

I’ll be happy to be wrong on this as I’d love to see a 92 come sooner and I’d loooooove to see Saab in the WRC, but I just can’t believe it’ll happen in the timeframe that people are talking about.

See why, below.

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I received a few emails about a story that I would have liked to cover if the webs were working, though. The first one was from Portugal and the story then spread to an English-language racing paper called Autosport. They made the following declaration:

The World Rally Championship’s return of retrospective manufacturers looks set to continue, with Saab now tipped to follow Mini back to the sport’s highest level.

Saab, which last competed in the WRC in 1979, has been linked to a possible entry in 2012, with the company’s first World Rally car running off a possible 9-1 or 9-2 base car. The engine for the car would be likely to come from BMW, meaning a universal 1.6-liter turbocharged motor for the Mini and Saab.

They go on to say that meetings have taken place and by the end of the story, it all seems like a fait accompli.

We all know that Victor Muller is very keen on motorsport and he’s even mentioned that rallying would be the most appropriate form of motorsport for Saab, should they ever get to a stage where a factory motorsport team is feasible.

Personally, I’d love to see it happen, too. I love motorsport, love rallying, and would absolutely love to see my favourite brand competing on the world stage once again.

BUT…….

I’m afraid I’m going to have to inject a small dose of reality into this one before we all get carried away.

First of all, motorsport is probably priority #1156 or thereabouts for Saab right now. When you get to a certain level of comfortable production and profitability, motorsport can then be inserted and become a key pillar in your technology and marketing programs. Take Renault, for example.

Saab aren’t at that stage, or anywhere near it.

Secondly, the car that autosport suggest will be the one Saab uses for their WRC entry isn’t in Saab’s business plan, and even if they manage to add it to Saab’s portfolio (which they’re quietly confident of doing), it won’t be released for another 3 or 4 years.

Want a source for that? How about Victor Muller himself?

This video at Fox will give you your answers (he talks about the Phoenix platform, too, though not by name).

The WRC is a very desireable aim for Saab, but it’s not likely to happen in the next two years. Reports claiming that it is are overly optomistic.

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VM on Fox Car Report – the most important Saab video you’ll watch this month

August 7, 2010 in News

I’ve linked to a shortened version of this interview several times already this week. What you get at the following link is a full 15 minute interview with Victor Muller, where he covers a number of Saab- and Spyker-related topics with Gary Gastelu from Fox.

Click here to watch the video. The first section is with some product managers from Ford, but I imagine that most of you won’t be bothered with that. If you click the video timeline at about the 14:30 minute mark, the video will buffer and take you straight to the section with Victor.

Some of the issues covered in the video that will be of particular interest…

Product timeline
Vm runs through the prospective product timeline. We’ve covered all of this before, but it’s 9-4x in April next year, followed by the 9-5 wagon shortly thereafter. The new Saab 9-3 will come late 2012 and if they get to do it – which they’re quite optimistic about – a Saab 92 would come in 2013 or 2014.

Wishlist – including Saab Sonett IV
The prospective Saab 92 is at the very top of VM’s wishlist, as we all know. When quizzed about a possible Saab Sonett, VM states that it’s almost impossible to stop Jason Castriota sketching this and with an all-Saab developed platform for the new 9-3, the possibilities of using that for a new Sonett are “not slim”.

Partnerships
VM talks about negotiations that are ongoing with a premium carmaker for technology sharing. Of course, all the smokesignals in the press and a few whispers from my own Djup Strupe contacts are indicating that the company involved is BMW but no names have been mentioned at an official level.

9-3 platform
Victor talks a little about the architecture that will underpin the next Saab 9-3. This is the Phoenix platform that we’ve discussed here at SU in the past. This is probably the best link for previously known information about the Phoenix platform. In short, it will be a thouroughly customised and re-engineered version of the original Epsilon I architecture that sits under the current Saab 9-3 range.

There is plenty more in the video for you to take in. Of course, the reason Fox were at Monticello in the first place is to cover the launch of the new Saab 9-5 and they spend some time talking about the new car.

In terms of straightening out fact from several recent online fictions, this video is an anchor that you should attach yourself to. It’s a very important filter through which stories about Saab should be viewed.

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Auto Express and the Saab 92

August 3, 2010 in News

There’s been a fair bit of buzz in comments about a story written over at Auto Express in the last few days. I addressed it in comments once, but the buzz has continued on another post and it’s gathered some momentum, so I figured I’d better address it here on the front page.

The AE story is about the proposed Saab 92 and it reads as follows:

Saab, BMW to build 9-2

A fresh start and now a fresh partner. Saab has revealed that it will link up with BMW to build the new Audi A1-rivalling 9-2. Plus, new boss Victor Muller has confirmed the Swedish brand will make a stylish coupé based on the 9-3.

Auto Express uncovered the plans to share technology during an exclusive interview with Muller at the recent Saab Festival in Trollhattan. “We could build the 9-2 on our own, but that wouldn’t make sense,” he said. “Thanks to the crisis in the industry, everyone is willing to share everything. So Spyker couldn’t have bought Saab at a better time.”

The firm is likely to tap into BMW’s planned joint project with PSA Peugeot Citroen to produce a front-wheel-drive chassis – this will underpin the next MINI and a version of the new 1-Series. Given Saab’s front-wheel-drive history, the sports-focused platform is a good fit.

I can tell you that there was indeed an AE reporter at the Festival. Several SU readers took rides with him in the new Saab 9-5. I can tell you that he did indeed get some personal facetime with Victor Muller during the Festival, at least once that I can confirm and maybe more.

However, I can also tell you (from the autoreply I received when I emailed him about this issue) that this same reporter was on vacation when this story was written, so it’s not likely that he’s written the words appearing at that link.

I was suspicious about the detail in this story when I first saw it. The quotes in the story don’t mention any of the detailed claims they make. All Muller says is that it wouldn’t make sense for Saab to do it on their own when companies are willing to share technologies, which is something he’s been saying for a while now. There is no mention of BMW in the quote and if BMW was mentioned in the question that drew the quote, then they don’t mention this, either.

There is certainly nothing there to support a headline that says Saab, BMW to build 9-2.

Concerned about the details in this story, I emailed Victor Muller for a response. Victor’s response was that he was disturbed with the article, livid about it, actually. He hadn’t mentioned BMW at all in any interviews and that he felt a need to take action on this.

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Conclusion……

If there are talks of this nature with BMW, VM would want coverage of those talks minimised until they are completed and announced, so there is that angle to consider.

I think there’s been enough written about potential discussions with BMW to indicate there have indeed been talks of some sort taking place. Where there’s this much smoke, there’s some fire. My initial and continued belief, however, is that those talks have concentrated on engines, not on the sort of complete package that’s alluded to in the AE article.

Bottom line……. I think that in writing this article, someone at Auto Express has got a little creative with how far they can use a quote and in doing so, they’ve drawn some conclusions that are as yet unwarranted, unsupported and at face value, denied flat-out by Victor Muller.

UPDATE – Oh crap. Now Autoblog are writing about it, too. Now every scraper blog on the planet will pick it up, despite the scepticism that Autoblog themselves heap on the issue.

Memo to Saab – this is why you need your own online presence that can capably deal with this sort of stuff.

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Photoshopping the future Saab 92

June 30, 2010 in Saabology

One of our own named Tiago do Vale – the man responsible for the beautiful banner at the top of this page, by the way – has turned his creative skills towards the new smaller Saab being proposed by Victor Muller.

Following are his images and what he had to say about them.

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I must say a few words before you see this image.

First of all, I’m not a retro guy.

…And, at the same time, I’m a believer in that if Saab has a chance to develop a new small car, it should be a car that can draw a large number of new young owners to the brand, and I’m not sure if a small premium retro sports car is the right formula to do it. (After all, VW Golfs/Rabbits or Audi A3s sell a lot more than VW New Beetles or Audi TTs).

Having said that, I’m as much of a car guy as the next Saaber so, of course, the manifesto for a driver’s car really pushed many of my right buttons. :-) (And I guess the new mini popularity sort of proves that my thesis isn’t 100% right.)

So here’s what I imagine a small teardrop-reared sports Saab should look like.
(Should it be a 92 or a Sonnet? It sure is a product of the 92 design discussions, though.)

It’s not retro at all -it just slightly blinks an eye towards those classic 92-to-96 Saabs. I based it on the 9-X BioHybrid, as I really believe in that car and design.

The 9-X BH already has a tridimensional teardrop shape, even if it is more apparent from the top, and not so obvious on the side view, so the base was right in that respect, too.

I shortened its wheelbase by around 30 cm, as I suspect that would fit the target segment just right.

I tried the classic low teardrop roof arch, like the 92, but I found a few problems with that: most people recognized it as a Porsche design cue, and not a Saab one and, with this short wheelbase, managing to have both headroom and a low “tip” in the end resulted in a not so elegant arc, with an abrupt descent. (It works on Porsches in part because of the longer wheelbase but mainly because of the huge rear overhang).

So, I raised the rear (the tip of the teardrop). This allowed for a more elegant and dynamic shape, more headroom, more practicality and storage capability… and for losing that “I’m ripping off Porsche” sensation. :)

I guess those were some of the reasons Saab slowly did the same thing with their teardrop “tip”, moving it up from the 92 to the 96, and then moving away from it with the 99 and the hatches.

And there you go. :-) Hope you have as much fun with it as I had imagining it.

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Road Test: Saab 92

May 30, 2010 in Saabology

If Victor Muller really does plan to make a modern small based based on the ideals of the original Saab 92, he’s got a lot to live up to.

Autocar have just re-posted online a copy of their original road test of the Saab 92 from 1949.

It makes for some very entertaining reading and you can’t help have a beaming sense of pride as the little Swede wraps the reviewer around its proverbial finger. Here’s the summary:

When a car is created by aircraft engineers, one is inclined to expect something really outstanding in both design and performance. This attitude of mind comes in no small measure as a result of those special qualities demanded by modern flying, which, when translated to car terms, generally produce the succès d’estime.

Such were my reflections when I took over the new Swedish Saab 92 at the start of a 500-mile road test, the first to appear in the British Press, and I was not disappointed. Indeed, it would be a very biased motorist who could find any serious complaint against a twin-cylinder family saloon of less than 28hp* which can put 53 miles into an hour without strain and has the road-holding properties of real sporting machinery, albeit at a petrol consumption of nearly 40mpg.

The Saab aircraft company and its chief car designer, Mr Gunnar Ljungstrom, are to be congratulated on a really intelligent attempt to produce a small, inexpensive car, which, in the words of the high-pressure salesman, “has everything”.

* the Autocar text has just 8hp written there, which I’m sure is a typo.

The car received 4.5 out of 5 stars. Magnificent. It makes for some fantastic Sunday reading. Enjoy.

Thanks to Morten for passing it on.

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Rare oldie Saab for sale

May 2, 2010 in Saabology

I don’t do a lot of ‘for sale’ stuff – and I don’t want to drive up the price of this one – but this one’s a little too rare not to pass on.
It’s not very often that a Saab of this age becomes available, so I figured those who might be into such things would like to know.
It’s shown up for sale on the UK site called Car and Classic, but it appears the car itself is located in Sweden. It’s a Saab 92, one of the original ones without a trunk, from 1951. The car had a two-cylinder two-stroke producing around 25hp.
There is no price listed, but it’s written up as being a good runner and from these rather low-res photos, the body looks pretty clean.
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Thanks to Stephen B for the tip.

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Video: Custom Saab 92

April 1, 2010 in Uncategorized

We’ve seen pictures of this one before, but the video just makes it that much better.
Love it!




Thanks to Lars for the link.

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SnowSaab 92

December 30, 2009 in Saabology

One of our regulars here, Gunnar L, decided to burn off some of that food he consumed at Christmas time and took the family outside to play.
The pictures below show what they came up with – their own wintry tribute to Saab’s current tribulations. The local TV people even came up for a look and took some film while they were there.
Nice work, Gunnar!
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That Saab 92 on video

November 24, 2009 in Uncategorized

It must be the week of Saab 92 loving! Two entries in 24 hours.
We’ve seen a little of this custom Saab 92 before as it hit the circuit of Saab gatherings in Sweden this year. Now there’s a video of it moving around and it sure looks as good in motion as what it does in the stills.
Despite the contemporary wheels and paint, this car retains its two-stroke heritage, which you’l hear when it starts up.
I got the tip on the video from Par Brandt at AMS (thanks mate!). The video appears on Bilsport.



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Out front of the Saab Museum – part 1

November 23, 2009 in Saabology

I’ve still got a few stories left from my trip to Sweden earlier this year. Here’s part one of a three-part drive experience Dave R and I got to share in on our visit to the Saab Museum.

If you missed them, here’s a few entries from out the back of the Saab Museum:

Out the back of the Saab museum, part 1

Out the back of the Saab museum, part 2

I visited the Saab Museum on a Friday afternoon. In the morning I toured some of Saab’s technical development areas (I’m still trying to get photos to show for that) and I arrived at the museum just before lunch. Upon arriving there, I was greeted by three of the museum’s cars sitting out front.

We chatted for a while, had lunch, and then I was more than a little surprised when the museum’s director, Peter Bäckström, suggested we take the cars that were sitting out front for a test drive!

The first car we drove was this one – an original Saab 92.

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This was an enormous amount of fun, but in a strenuous kind of way. Any chance to drive part of Saab’s history is a chance worth taking and I wasn’t going to miss this for the world, but I have to be honest and say that this wasn’t the most pleasant drive I’ve ever had.

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The car has a two-cylinder, two-stroke engine capable of producing about as much power as an oscillating fan. It has a three-on-the-tree gearshift with no synchros in first, and I’m not ashamed to admit that I did clean the teeth just a little on one occasion. It was noted.

That engine and the confusing gearbox pattern meant that it took some time to get up to anything that resembled ‘speed’, but that’s a good thing because the brakes were so bad that in order to stop in the museum carpark, you needed to hit the brake pedal in Norway.

Being used to more modern cars, I’m not accustomed to how rough things were back in the old days. I was amazed that Saab actually managed to build a company on the back of this little green teardrop and it speaks volumes of the competition and the desire of the Swedish people for a car of their own that Saab managed to survive with this as their only offering.

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But survive they did, and thank goodness for that.

I know my brief thoughts don’t sound particularly complimentary, but driving this car was actually an absolute blast. It was an education. It was a fight that involved you from the moment you sat inside and tried to figure out the secret combination of buttons and levers that fires this baby up.

Once you get it going, figure out the gearshift and get just a little speed up, the car was an adventure in the truest sense of the word. It was noisy, rattly, hard work but exceptionally good fun.

Put it this way – I was very fortunate to drive it and I’m incredibly thankful for the privilege and the experience, but boy am I happy I live in the here and now.

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The beauty of this Saab 92 is in what it says about the Saab Museum and the collection there.

This car has marks on it. It has faded paint. But it’s in pretty good order over all, and like all the cars in the Saab Museum, the first priority is that it runs. The cars in the Saab Museum are all working cars, maintained by a couple of dedicated, retired engineers from the company.

The fact that it has some marks and some faded paint is illustrative of the fact that each car there has a story to tell. Some are brand new from the factory when they arrive there and some have a history. Saab don’t make a point of erasing that history simply for the sake of presenting a pristine vehicle.

That’s a very important distinction and a good illustrator about the practical mindset of the Swedes. Form follows function, and the function here is to show a working Saab 92 that’s had a rich life.

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Again, my endless thanks go to Peter Bäckström for an unforgettable day, part II of which will be coming along soon.

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More of that custom Saab 92

July 20, 2009 in Archive

Martin F photographed this customised Saab 92 at the Saab Days gathering over the weekend.
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The car aroused a reasonable amount of interest in comments, and Martin has been kind enough to chip in a link to some more photos on Garaget (thanks!!)
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According to the Garaget page, the car has the original two cylinder, to-stroke engine and the original gearbox.
Of course, as you can see here it’s got a completely restored and customised exterior and interior. Those are 18-inch wheels you see there, though the car retains it’s original drum brakes.
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The car was purchased less than a year ago, so if they’ve done all this restoration work in that time then it’s a job well done already.
It sounds like the owner might not be finished yet, too, with audio still to go in and the “Future Plans” section if the Garaget page simply saying Be ready.

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Sunday Saab Flickr Images

March 1, 2009 in Archive

I haven’t done a Flickr dump in a little while, so here’s a nice Sunday mix of images. Some beautiful Saabs here and some sad ones, too.
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Our unofficial Saab ambassador to the UK, Robin M, has done it again. If I’m counting correctly, this is the sixth Saab purchased by a family member or friend in recent years.
The wheels got thrown in as an extra. Nice!! Photo by Robin.
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I’ve never seen one of these before. A promotional Saab Rubik’s Cube. Looks like late 1990s or early naughties.
Photo by Navarzo
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A beautiful late model C900 in white. Photo by wyvernsaab
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When you see a Saab 900 in this color, it’s normally a friction tester. This one’s on the track, however, and it’s looking good! Photo by Ivandif
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